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Buffalo was so named as it was the site of the British trade in buffalo hides. [[User:ItsACityOfApes|ItsACityOfApes]] ([[User talk:ItsACityOfApes|talk]]) 02:28, 16 January 2023 (UTC)
Buffalo was so named as it was the site of the British trade in buffalo hides. [[User:ItsACityOfApes|ItsACityOfApes]] ([[User talk:ItsACityOfApes|talk]]) 02:28, 16 January 2023 (UTC)

== Photo montage ==

In my opinion the current iteration of the photo montage is a joke. I much prefer the iteration from earlier this year, as most of the images were newer and higher quality. For instance, the Metro Rail livery in the gallery has not been used in nearly 20 years, if not longer. The shot of City Hall is taken at a bad angle. This sounds like harsh criticism but for a good article the photo gallery should be presentable. [[User:Dekema|<span style="font-weight: bold; color: #003AC9;">dekema</span>]] (Formerly Buffaboy) ([[User talk:Buffaboy|talk]]) 04:47, 22 May 2023 (UTC) [[User:Dekema|<span style="font-weight: bold; color: #003AC9;">dekema</span>]] (Formerly Buffaboy) ([[User talk:Buffaboy|talk]]) 04:47, 22 May 2023 (UTC)

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Good articleBuffalo, New York has been listed as one of the Geography and places good articles under the good article criteria. If you can improve it further, please do so. If it no longer meets these criteria, you can reassess it.
Did You Know Article milestones
DateProcessResult
August 1, 2007Peer reviewReviewed
September 20, 2014Good article nomineeNot listed
July 6, 2021Guild of Copy EditorsCopyedited
July 15, 2021Good article nomineeListed
November 22, 2021Peer reviewReviewed
Did You Know A fact from this article appeared on Wikipedia's Main Page in the "Did you know?" column on August 8, 2021.
The text of the entry was: Did you know ... that Buffalo wings were first prepared at the Anchor Bar in Buffalo, New York?
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Update

I regret not finishing the peer review from last year, but I have been busy with schoolwork. I would like to help clean up this article at some point but will need to find time.

In the meantime I am working on a brand new template for the current Buffalo, New York one. You can view it in my sandbox. --Buffaboy (talk) 03:57, 3 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Project

This article is easily capable of becoming a GA easily if not FA. This will be my summer project. If Utica, New York can have over 200 WP:RS, then Buffalo, with all of its history and a multitude of sources available, can easily meet that number and then some. Please help out if you can! Buffaboy talk 18:17, 9 May 2015 (UTC)[reply]

I think I'm going to get started on this. The end result will look something like Utica, New York. I will be bold with this and spend weeks, maybe months perfecting this article. It will be a monumental challenge but when I have spare time I will try my hand at it. Buffaboy talk 03:07, 19 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]
I appreciate the work you are putting in to this article. I have to take some issue with your actions here, however, where you wholesale removed a number of citations and replaced them with {{citation needed}}. I agree some of those sources are weak w/r/t WP:RS, but I would suggest that it would be better to leave the sources, and add a {{better source}} template to indicate that they need improvement. (Bizarrely, you did remove one source and added a 'better source' template in its place, which makes no sense to someone browsing the page and not following its history.) By leaving the weak sources, those interested in improvement are given more details to help them locate better citations, and the article doesn't look like a 'citation needed' wasteland. These were good faith additions and could be almost certainly be verified with better sources; removing the weak sources completely only makes that harder to do. Thanks for the consideration and keep up the good work! Antepenultimate (talk) 02:15, 21 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]
O.K, glad I'm seeing this now. Normally, I would replace the unreliable source with a reliable one on the spot, but time constraint prevent me from doing this. My plan was to either put an old revision up side by side with the newer one just to get a glance of what is being discussd in the article, and then I would go find new sources to put in. I added the better source template because I realized I should've done it with all of them, but since I'm multitasking I didn't think to do it for the other ones. In the future I will use {{better source}} in a scenario like this. Buffaboy talk 02:32, 21 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Cool. The benefit of appending a 'better source' tag when you're pressed for time is that those of us that are watching this page might just be able to get a few sources replaced in the meantime, perhaps saving you the trouble! Thanks again - Antepenultimate (talk) 02:49, 21 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]
You're welcome, and this makes sense for a higher-traffic (or any article) article like this, because when I was editing the Utica article, there were only a few content-edits per month, so I could afford to get away with a tactic like that. Buffaboy talk 02:54, 21 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Also, I think I should explain my gameplan with this article. I intend to strip it down by removing trivial content, and then move content that could belong in a separate article to that respective article, as I've done with Transportation in Buffalo, New York. After the article is stripped down to the basics (almost like this revision of Utica), then I will slowly add on to what is there based upon reliable sources and going on a "scavenger hunt" to find information. It could be described as throwing the baby out with the bathwater, but I don't see it that way. Buffaboy talk 02:59, 21 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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Montage

Since the montage is a collection of permission-less photos, I decided to temporarily take it down and replace it with a clean {{Photomontage}} template. Buffaboy talk 02:57, 20 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]

You might want to modify the caption to reflect the new image that you're using. Shinerunner (talk) 11:38, 20 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Good idea Buffaboy talk 21:22, 20 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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Racial composition table

The table of racial composition shows over 38% black yet the table of largest ancestries does not mention them. Similar situation for Hispanics. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 206.9.205.245 (talk) 20:22, 25 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

There's no reason that it should. It's only the largest ancestry groups. It adds up to 42.8. It doesn't attempt to account for the origins of everyone in the city. Flyte35 (talk) 23:52, 25 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

That sure is a lot of people to just write it off as: "Well, we aren't accounting for every single person". — Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.224.179.29 (talk) 02:07, 16 September 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Proposed template modifications

Hello, I've made some proposals regarding some re-organization of the {{City of Buffalo, New York}} template over at that template's talk page; recognizing that fewer people watch templates than this article, I'd invite anyone watching here to comment there if they so desire. Thanks! Antepenultimate (talk) 19:30, 17 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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reconstruction

This summer I am planning to give a crack at this article again and turn it into a GA, then an FA. Anyone who would like to help, please do and provide suggestions. I helped Utica, New York out from what it used to be, now it is time to redo this one from top to bottom. I started but couldn't get anywhere. Buffaboy talk 22:45, 9 May 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Looks to me like it's already fine, maybe that's why it's hard to improve? In view of how bleak is the subject why should it be fluffed more than this? Rocked at turn of 20th century, sucks now, if you got that you've got the essence of it. 98.4.124.117 (talk) 01:35, 18 May 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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Rfc regarding article content

Are older sources reliable for a city article? Where can I look outside of the Internet Archive?

Buffaboy talk 09:44, 1 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]

It's been awhile since I've attempted to put a lot of effort into city articles such as Utica, New York. I believe I have a plan for this article. My concern is that the sources that are free tend to be published around the early 1900s and earlier. Does this affect WP:RS, as there is a policy that newer sources are preferred to old? Would the Resouce Request Wikipeoject be of any help with this article content?

Also, I feel as though no matter how much I personallly know about the subject, or what various books tell me, information about this subject will be omitted by overlooking it, or downplaying its importance. How can I ensure the article is comprehensive? I am trying to use the other US FA cities as a model, but because most of these were promoted over 10 years ago, all in 2007, the criteria may have changesd.

Buffaboy talk 09:49, 1 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]

When covering the very early history of many regions, it's easier to find older sources that do so well. In Ontario, Canada, for example, several "gazeteers" published in the 1800s are readily available on-line. I found them with a Google Books search. I used those often in the History section of towns and cities. See example below.
 By 1851, the village itself had a flour mill owned by Benjamin D. Snyder, a hotel, a blacksmith, a general store and a cooperage.{{cite book | title = County of Waterloo Gazetteer and General Business Directory, For 1864 | publisher = Mitchell & Co. | year = 1864 | url = http://www.collectionscanada.gc.ca/obj/001075/f2/e010780571_p3.pdf | pages = 184} The first post office opened in 1852, called St. Jacobs, with Joseph Eby as postmaster and the village was incorporated in that year. By 1855, the population was 400 and by then, there were four hotels, including Benjamins which still stands; it was later known as the Dominion Hotel. In 1871, E.W.B. Snider bought the flour mill and promoted hydro electricity and other milling operations. The river helped power mills and a woolen factory and a tannery; by then, the school had 66 students. There was only a single church, (Evangelical Association) built in 1850.County of Waterloo Gazetteer and General Business Directory, For 1864 (PDF). Mitchell & Co. 1864. p. 184.
Here is a search for Buffalo history on Google Books; you will probably find several useful sources. It is more time consuming than searching Web sites but should contain info not available on the Internet: https://www.google.com/search?tbm=bks&q=history%2C+buffalo%2C+new+york My search term was just History ... you could try a more specific search such as History, Churches ... Peter K Burian (talk) 13:28, 6 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Good ideas, thanks a lot. Buffaboy talk 16:31, 6 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]

This article seems useful too. http://www.buffaloah.com/a/landmks/wvillage/ gives thans to the City of Buffalo Preservation Board for their assistance.

See https://www.city-buffalo.com/Home/City_Departments/Office_of_Strategic_Planning/RegulatoryBoards/Preservation_Board/HistoricResourcesIntensiveLevelSurvey

Peter K Burian (talk) 20:15, 6 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]

One site I use for older newpaper articles is Fulton History.com [1] if you open the articles you find in the search window in a new tab you'll end up with a link that takes you to that page. The only downside is that the url's tend to be long. Another site is New York State historic newspaper [2] and both sites are free to use. Shinerunner (talk) 22:37, 6 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]

A long URL is not a problem because the reader just sees the little blue footnote number. I would never worry about that if I found a useful/reliable site. I have edited the Wikipedia article for many towns; those are easier to do than a big city like Buffalo. But worth it once it's done. Peter K Burian (talk) 01:52, 7 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]

The reason I mentioned the URL length is that it can sometimes make editing a page a bit more difficult and it might give a false sense that the article is too long when in reality the visible text of the article is much shorter. Personally, I'd rather have the good citable source and not worry about those things.Shinerunner (talk) 10:09, 7 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]

btw, @User:Buffaboy, the Utica, New York article is excellent. If you can get Buffalo, New York up to that standard, it would be an achievement. I live in Ontario, Canada, so am more interested in editing cities and towns in my area. Admittedly, I have not brought those articles up to the same standard as Utica, but they are much better than they were previously. If I had found a couple of other editors serious about those topics, those articles could be excellent too. Hard to do it all myself. Like the Climate section is one I never manage to do. Peter K Burian (talk) 20:02, 7 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for the input, that's the goal. I think I can actually outdo the Utica article as well, that;'s the bare minimum for me. Getting this to WP:GA or WP:FA is a challenge when you take into account all of the literature out there. For a city this big, there's too much information to survey. Buffaboy talk 21:45, 7 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Also @SounderBruce:, per this FA-review I am worried that the 19th-century books I'm using are too old for the article. Or does it matter that much? I'd hate having to go back to redo references. Buffaboy talk 09:38, 8 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]
The issue raised in the FA review was mostly about the book being a compilation of stories from local residents, rather than works by historians. As long as your 19th century books are written by historians or professionals, I think it will pass source review. It would be good to look at modern books by historians, even if they cite the same books, and add them as supplements. SounderBruce 02:40, 9 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]
  • SounderBruce Good to know, I'm thinking a lot of the books are from the historical society. Either way, many of the authors seem to have forewords boasting about the book and the city, so that would be a good place for me to check. Buffaboy talk 07:51, 9 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Article expansion

I am planning to do major work on this article in the coming months. I will be picking up where I left off last year. The eventual goal is to get it to GA or FA status. If anyone wants to share ideas please do. --Buffaboy talk 21:39, 11 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Crime merge

I'm proposing merging the Crime section with Law and government. The crime section itself is only three sentences and far smaller than any other sections. BT9988 (talk) 20:23, 31 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]

general

hi — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2401:4900:36A1:B7AF:14DA:8F90:99A7:E349 (talk) 17:43, 7 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Missing climate chart

Why is the article missing its climate chart? That is very strange for a city of this size.

I see that there is some version of the climate chart included in another person's comment on this Talk page.

I am not knowledgeable about climate charts, but it's easy to imagine that a city that is very cold and/or very snowy might want to modify its climate chart so that people don't get a negative impression of the place.

I hope that is not why the article is missing its climate chart, and I hope that an accurate one is included with the article very soon!

This should not be controversial!!!47.44.96.195 (talk) 18:17, 19 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Why doesn't Buffalo have a climate chart (by months) like most major cities in Wikipedia?

It seems like such an obvious question.2601:200:C000:1A0:D468:F23C:FD48:2F6E (talk) 04:30, 29 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]

It's there -- go to the climate section, end of the third paragraph. Depending on how you are browsing it may show differently, but I see a show/hide button, and it's hidden by default. Antandrus (talk) 04:46, 29 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Update on article process

Hello all, I'm working now to try and get this article to good article and potentially featured article status. It has been a goal of mine for a very long time to do this and I think it's a possibility, even as very few city articles have reached FA-status in the past 10 years. My process is to reference the structures of FAs for Minneapolis, Boston and Cleveland. Minneapolis was recently reviewed and is the most up-to-date and in-shape of these articles. Other U.S. city FAs have not been as maintained as these, so I am not using them as a guide. So far, the Culture, Sports, Education, and some of the History sections seem to be at the high quality standard that the best Wikipedia articles have.

In addition, I have several books at my disposal that I'm referencing and they are in the bibliography of the article. Since these are mostly historical books, I may need others to reference the culture section for example. In addition, I am looking for access to the New York History Journal and hope to get this soon.

After I do more research and the article is expanded, edited and sourced properly, I will ask for it to be copy edited and will likely go straight to a GA nomination. Depending on the response I will see how feasible an FA nomination is.

I will be looking to take pictures around the area in the coming months. Many photos in this article are outdated, of lower quality, aren't as relevant to the city as a whole or have exposure issues.

If anyone has any suggestions or wishes to collaborate please let me know! Buffaboy talk 16:53, 7 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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RfC on history section

At this point in time I feel comfortable with this article's development outside of the History section, minus the econ section. Although I want to get the article to GA status, I've probably put in nearly 200 hours into editing the article so far. I know it's a lofty challenge but I believe GA is only the first step, I'd like to get the article to featured status.

With this in mind, I will be getting physical books soon mostly for the history section. Now I'm not used to note taking even though I took a research class in college, what advice could you give (if you've worked on a featured article) for effective research? What books are most appropriate, i.e. fits in with WP:NPOV? Buffaboy t and c 17:24, 25 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

(invited by the bot)I've done a lot of GA reviews and took one article to FA but FA is not my dance. One thing to double check is that the lead is a summary of the body of article so it should not have anything that is not in the body. Looks like the "49th largest" might be a case of this. Also, if it's cited in the body it's doesn't have to be cited again in the lead. Footnes in the lead is fine but might raise the question of whether that material is in the body of the article. North8000 (talk) 19:25, 25 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Good catch, thank you. Buffaboy t and c 23:00, 25 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
I'm a researcher in my everyday job, and may be some quick advise, its quicker if you are using general books, rather than indepth niche ones. Being an encyclopedia, general books should be enough. Just make sure they are by a reputable author and publisher so they meet RS of course.

200 hours, good going, that's amazing. Great effort! Deathlibrarian (talk) 23:36, 25 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

@Deathlibrarian: Thank you! When you say general books, do you mean like topical books rather than specific ones? Buffaboy 23:47, 25 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
@Buffaboy: (Summoned by bot) One important thing to keep in mind is proportionality; i.e., how many words/paragraphs to devote to different aspects of the main [sub-]topic. In this case, it sounds like your research topic is "history of Buffalo". Getting a sense of proportionality is something that is difficult to ascertain by looking at secondary sources if there are too many of them. A good way to start, might be to look at WP:TERTIARY sources, and see how much space they devote to each subsection: pre-history, pre-Columbian, European colonization, and so on. Some tertiary sources may have footnotes or a brief bibliography or list of sources, which means those are secondary sources with the imprimatur of a trusted tertiary source, and might be worth looking at as a starting point among the sources you use to develop the original framework of your article, or section. Once you've scoped out the basic framework with the appropriate proportions, you can fill in the details with more niche sources available to you locally, while maintaining appropriate proportions as the whole expands. I added {{section sizes}} to the TP header for you, so you can get a birds-eye view of the current breakdown of the article by section. Mathglot (talk) 05:53, 27 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
@Mathglot: Great explanation. I've already finished rewriting everything outside of the history section. I've been actively avoiding tertiary sources because I didn't want them to shape my idea for building the article, but your idea makes more sense. Buffaboy (talk) 06:37, 27 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
And the section header is amazing, as well as the other utilities you added. Thank you! Buffaboy (talk) 06:40, 27 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Harv errors

Buffaboy, since you feel that the article is basically ready for GA, might I ask you to fix my pet niggle? In the "Notes" section there are footnotes created using {{harvnb}} to Goldman 1983a and 1983b. Currently there are two sources that declare themselves as 1983b and none as 1983a, so both footnotes generate harv/sfn errors. Thanks! Wham2001 (talk) 07:30, 8 June 2021 (UTC) PS. fine-looking article otherwise! [reply]

Wham2001 I forgot about those, clearly I haven't read though the article again. Thank you for watching progress and the reminder. Buffaboy (talk) 07:33, 8 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Census update

When will you update the population in terms with the 2020 census. Jdietr601 (talk) 01:28, 8 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Jdietr601 Unless I am out of the loop, it appears as though only estimates are available right now. If you can find the official release, feel free to add it in. dekema (Formerly Buffaboy) (talk) 05:39, 8 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Density statistics

I can't make any sense of the population density statistics, and they're not referenced. My guess is that other values were updated without updating the stats, and they're just computed. The reference given for area leads to a list of counties in New York state, and include information about Buffalo city ... so we don't know the area. The population number is updated from the census. Without a reference, should this information be removed? Is a reference forthcoming? -- Mikeblas (talk) 17:47, 17 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Mikeblas Yes, I haven't had too much time to update the population figures but when I (or anyone else) have the opportunity to, I'll get to it ASAP. The article is also in PR for FA, but again I have to find the time to address the concerns raised there as well. dekema (Formerly Buffaboy) (talk) 19:32, 17 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Historical population

There's been some back-and-forth editing to delete and restore etc etc two different sets of population figures. One starts with 1508 in 1810 and has 278,349 in 2020. The other starts with 68 in 1810 and has 110,000 in 2020. Sound like metro-area vs city limits, but did they really have metro-area stats in 1810 and 1820 etc? Maybe they had "city and surrounding area, but it seem odd that in 1810 you'd have 68 people in the "city limits" (waterfront village I suppose) and another 1,440 in the "surrounding area". Odd and how would they know to this level of detail?

The two refs 404 on me so I don't know. Not familiar with this article, maybe someone could sort this out, maybe add a note to the list as to what it is (or another column so as to have both), maybe an internal edit notice, straighten out sources. Just pointing this out. Herostratus (talk) 01:50, 28 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

That's kind of weird, I guess I'll look through tomorrow and see what's going on. It's interesting how an article can change when you haven't edited it in awhile. dekema (Formerly Buffaboy) (talk) 03:14, 12 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Bangladeshi in Buffalo

Before covid-19 pandemic Bangladeshi people started to move Buffalo from NYC because of having a own house in cheap and also buying a house in cash.Bangladeshi American have a dream to have a own house in America.Also NYC rent became more higher than before. Because all of these, Bangladeshi started to move in buffalo. In covid-19 pandemic, It's became more and more. Nowadays, There are 150+ hundred thousand of Bangladeshi People live in Buffalo and near area's. Most of them has their own house. Also many of them has more than 100 or 50 houses.It's a big community in Buffalo now.And it gradually increasing day by day 27.147.201.186 (talk) 08:25, 8 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]


2022 Mass Shooting Buffalo

  • Moved the sentence about the 2022 mass shooting out of the introduction. While still devastating and a major event in the city of Buffalo history, the shooting should not be mentioned in the intro paragraph for the overall article. Especially a paragraph about culture.
  • For now I put it in with "public safety" . Looking at how other mass shootings were organized into their City pages (Dayton, Orlando, Aurora) it is usually included in the section on the history of the city, or in Dayton's case only a brief mention of the event in their crime section. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Gart99 (talkcontribs) 18:01, 15 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Cannibal Corpse

Cannibal Corpse is a very successful band from Buffalo. Worth including Dethcorenthuseast (talk) 00:36, 3 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Origin of City's Name

Buffalo was so named as it was the site of the British trade in buffalo hides. ItsACityOfApes (talk) 02:28, 16 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Photo montage

In my opinion the current iteration of the photo montage is a joke. I much prefer the iteration from earlier this year, as most of the images were newer and higher quality. For instance, the Metro Rail livery in the gallery has not been used in nearly 20 years, if not longer. The shot of City Hall is taken at a bad angle. This sounds like harsh criticism but for a good article the photo gallery should be presentable. dekema (Formerly Buffaboy) (talk) 04:47, 22 May 2023 (UTC) dekema (Formerly Buffaboy) (talk) 04:47, 22 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]