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The result was Delete. While a headcount alone would be a no-consensus result, the overarching issue is that the page is completely bereft of references and is more or less original research. Stifle (talk) 11:15, 1 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Face fault

Face fault (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) (delete) – (View AfD)

Basically this article is a list of unreferenced facial expressions and alike noted as found in anime productions. →AzaToth 22:22, 22 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

  • Keep but remove the lists which do nothing to contribute to an understanding of the topic at hand. This is an aspect of anime that I'm sure sources can be found for. JuJube (talk) 15:45, 23 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • merge Looking around Category:Anime and manga terminology, There are several pages that should either be merged into this (such as sweat drop) or that it should be merged with (such as Manga Iconography)- there's quite a bit of redundancy. At the very least it needs cleanup and sourcing. but definitely not deletion. For every item that is already noted somewhere else there is another that isn't.Westrim (talk) 22:54, 23 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete unless someone confirm the term actually exists - and that the concept is unique to anime. Even then, it would need to scrap the lists and instead actually provide some scholarly work on the development of the style to prevent the article being a dictionary definition. Doceirias (talk) 22:56, 23 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment. I started this article, but that doesn't count for much since I went on to forget its existence for several years. Thanks for the notice, AzaToth. However, calling the subject a list of facial expressions reveals a misunderstanding of the concept. An expression is not a face fault; "face fault" is the established name for the popular convention of expressing shock with an exaggerated cartoony gesture. The TV Tropes article doesn't provide a reliable source but does provide a demonstration. Note the wide variety of face faults in the image.

    Not being an expert in the areas of anime, cartoons, visual arts or Japanese weirdness, I don't know where to look for improvements without being bogged down by false positives. Suggestions are appreciated. --Kizor 00:36, 24 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • That image is part of the problem - except for one or two short hands specific to Japan, there's nothing in that image that seems specific to anime. Anything done in a cartoonish style would use drawings like that to expression emotions normally. I've rarely heard the term 'face fault', haven't heard it at all for a number of years, and when I did hear it it described much, much more exaggerated images than that illustration has. I'm not sure this is sustainable as anything but a footnote in the style section of either the manga or anime articles, and even then, it is genre specific. It is possible that sources could be found to describe that style, but I'm not sure it needs an article of its own, and I'm extremely unsure that this is the current term for what the article is describing. Doceirias (talk) 00:53, 24 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment. Obviously a widely-used anime term, but the lack of reliable sources is a problem. I found this, which is typical of what I found from a Google search, but this needs to have been documented in reliable sources elsewhere to justify an article here. If those sources could be identified and cited, I don't see a problem keeping this.--Michig (talk) 10:23, 25 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete Referenceless OR article about a non-notable term, and the icing on the cake is that according to a quick Google, the article is likely to be wrong, as "face fault" more commonly refers to the anime cliche of "someone says something unbelievably stupid and everyone falls over in shock". The origin of the error, as far as I can tell, is that much of the article was copy-pasted from wikis with no relation to anime. Also, though the article claims that face faults are the anime counterpart to American "wild takes", the Wild takes article is dominated by a "Wild Takes vs Face Faults" comparison section and has been since its creation, casting further doubts on the subject's notability. Gelmax (talk) 11:21, 25 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete completely unreferenced, apparent original research. If someone wants to recreate the article in the future based on verifiable information from reliable sources (should they exist) I have no problem. Guest9999 (talk) 19:07, 27 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment Erm... Am I the only person that bothered to do more than scan this article? The problem with the article is not that it's OR, it's that much of it is redundant to several pages that are sourced. Wholesale deletion is not the answer, checking to see what has been supported elsewhere (just look on Category:Anime and manga terminology) and sorting out what isn't supported is. Westrim (talk) 19:21, 27 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • Having read the article (before my original comment) a lot of it does appear to be original research, whilst a lot of the expressions mentioned do exist most of the descriptive sections are generalisations at best and in some cases just (in my experience) not accurate. That no sources have been provided to me indicated that this is more a personal essay based on someone's personal experience rather than an encycloapedia article based on reliably sourced, verifiable information. An article on the topic may be possible but given the current state of the article and the lack of reliable sources immediately available (there are a few in the category you mention) I don't think there is much to save. Guest9999 (talk) 20:30, 27 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
The creator was Kizor, apparently, so you would have to ask him. I agree that at least some (and probably most) of it can and should be deleted, but in my experience, voting for a deletion gets exactly that, with no checking to see if any material might be more useful, appropriate, or supported in another article. With a merge, someone has to at least look at the material. Westrim (talk) 21:41, 27 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Actually, the problem IS the OR, because the article may very well be incorrect. A quick Google search is enough to establish that the meaning of the term is not universally accepted, and that the version given in the article doesn't even appear to be the majority view. Heck, even the spelling of the term is far from established, because I just realized that the reason I'd never heard "face fault" before is because I've always seen it spelled "face vault", and that version gets slightly more Google hits than "face fault" although both seem to be fairly widespread. When you've got something this contradictory and poorly established about something that's basically a piece of jargon, it's hard to justify there being an article on it at all, and an unsourced, unverifiable piece of OR is a definite no-no. Something this messy can't be fixed by the discretion of individuals. And could you suggest another page that this material might fall under? It doesn't seem like Wikipedia has a whole lot of other articles about cliched cartoon physical gags. Gelmax (talk) 08:43, 28 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
There were discussions about your first few sentences on the article's talk page, so look there. I agree with one threads conclusion that regardless of its pervasiveness, face vault makes no sense, and is more likely to be a cross-language corruption of the chosen term. Also, and to repeat myself, look at the Categories this article is a member of and particularly the article http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Manga_iconography for similar pages and info. The major problem with your OR argument is that it's looking at the article as a whole, when we should be more concerned with it's contents, at least some of which is verified on other pages. Westrim (talk) 17:35, 28 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]


  • Keep and maybe rename. As other editors have said, parts of this article are already present and sourced in other articles. What this article contributes is that it has the potential to bring it all into one place. Manga iconography already exists, but manga and anime are not analogous. How about renaming to "anime iconography"? The term has been used in some reliable sources, such as this fps magazine article: [1]. Possibly there are better names. I see nothing wrong with a list as long as sources are added. These symbols are so uniform across anime - surely some sort of guidebook has been published in Japan, perhaps for the use of trainee animators? Esn (talk) 09:08, 1 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was Redirect to List of Saiyans in Dragon Ball#Vegetto --JForget 23:42, 26 August 2008 (UTC) Note: There was already a Vegetto entry that was redirected to the main article/section. I will though still keep the redirect article with the double G. --JForget 00:12, 27 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Veggetto

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Nonsense article. The name isn't even spelt correctly. Fails WP:ORIGINAL, WP:VERIFY, and WP:NOTE. Lord Sesshomaru (talk • edits) 19:30, 21 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]


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The result was Keep (non-admin close) RMHED (talk) 19:41, 23 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Akane Omae

Akane Omae (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) (delete) – (View AfD)

Fails WP:BIO. No significant coverage and all voice roles listed are minor and secondary parts, with most characters not even notable enough to be listed in their series articles. All ELs links are standard directory links in which almost every voice actor of any licensed series appears. Wikipedia is not a directory and it is not not a mirror of ANN, IMBD, or any other voice actor directory listing and this list does nothing more than replicate what those site have. Without reliable sources or significant coverage anywhere about this person, it is likely that this article will never more than it is now. Declined speedy. -- AnmaFinotera (talk · contribs) 16:46, 18 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was Keep any merging is an editorial matter best discussed here (non-admin close) RMHED (talk) 19:31, 23 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

List of Ojamajo Doremi characters

List of Ojamajo Doremi characters (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) (delete) – (View AfD)

Unreferenced for over two years, fails verifiability policy. Also listcruft and fancruft concerns. Stifle (talk) 13:43, 18 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was keep. Keeper ǀ 76 20:44, 26 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Kokoro Kikuchi

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Fails WP:BIO. No significant coverage, no reliable source to back up claim that Air Gear made her "famous" when it was a secondary role, and all otehr voice roles listed appear to be either minor or secondary parts. All links are standard directory links in which almost every voice actor of any licensed series appears. Wikipedia is not a directory and it is not not a mirror of ANN, TV.com, IMBD, or any other voice actor directory listing. That is all this article is, a replica of those same listings, and without reliable sources or significant coverage anywhere, it is all it will be. Declined speedy.-- Collectonian (talk · contribs) 04:14, 18 August 2008 (UTC)-- Collectonian (talk · contribs) 04:10, 18 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was Keep. Keeper ǀ 76 20:41, 26 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Kiyoshi Kawakubo

Kiyoshi Kawakubo (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) (delete) – (View AfD)

Unnotable voice actor that fails WP:BIO. Almost all roles listed are minor roles, and no sources are given to back up any of these claims, just ELs. The whole thing may just be a copy of the JA article which is also completely unsourced. -- Collectonian (talk · contribs) 02:50, 18 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

If you were still working on it, why did you move it from user space to article space? In doing so, you were making a claim that it was ready to be launched and notability was established. -- Collectonian (talk · contribs) 02:54, 18 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
I made a mistake! Okay?!Kitty53 (talk) 02:57, 18 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
I change my vote to Redirect to 81 Produce, then.Kitty53 (talk) 03:01, 18 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
And thus another potential fine new editor is railroaded by deletionists. Wikipedia will be MUCH better now, I'm sure. Take heart, Kitty53. SOME of us appreciate your dilegence and work. 208.245.87.2 (talk) 18:06, 18 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
If there are no sources discussing these folks (relating to all the voice actor AfDs at the moment), they shouldn't have articles. It doesn't matter whether (we) anime fans think they are notable or important because of the roles they have played in some series, few of which are even considered that relevant/notable in the English speaking world because outside of Japan, anime is still a niche market. In reality, most don't even get that much coverage in Japan because voice actors are like TV actors in bit roles, with only a few exceptional ones out there who achieve claim and fame enough to be widely covered in various sources. -- Collectonian (talk · contribs) 20:14, 18 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
WP:BIO is not limited to "the English speaking world". These actors are either notable or they aren't. And, as far as the first criteria for an WP:ENTERTAINER is concerned, they are because the roles they've played are significant.--Nohansen (talk) 20:24, 18 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

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Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so that consensus may be reached.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, « Diligent Terrier [talk] 00:26, 26 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete and eventually restore - Let Kitty53 work on it in userspace, Kitty, I suggest you do it here: User:Kitty53/Kiyoshi Kawakubo. Cheers, --LordSunday (₪Scribe₪) (♦) 01:25, 26 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep I'm inclined to say any upper- or mid-level Japanese voice actors are notable, much as US or UK TV actors would be. In Japan, voice actors tend to have a much higher amount of celebrity and recognition than their US counterparts, to the point that there's actually magazines and such (example: Voice Animage) completely devoted to them. So the bulk of sources aren't going to be in english, and probably not something you can grab off the rack at Barnes & Noble, but they do exist. Andrew Lenahan - Starblind 13:16, 26 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]


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The result was Keep (non-admin close) RMHED (talk) 18:44, 23 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Ai Nagano

Ai Nagano (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) (delete) – (View AfD)

Unnotable living voice actress that fails WP:BIO. She is not the "subject of published secondary source material which is reliable, intellectually independent, and independent of the subject." One voice role in one series does not make her notable. -- AnmaFinotera (talk · contribs) 00:41, 18 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Why? She isn't a series character, so that would not be an appropriate redirect. -- AnmaFinotera (talk · contribs) 03:40, 18 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Because, oh, I don't know how to explain this! I worked so hard on that article! You put three of my articles up for deletion, all of which will probably be deleted! I'm having a bad day, and it's all because of you! And worse, I'm not being given very many options!Kitty53 (talk) 03:55, 18 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
If it makes you happy, I'll change my vote back to keep!Kitty53 (talk) 03:56, 18 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
It isn't a vote, its an opinion and it should be based on your reading of WP:BIO and your view as to whether the article meets Wikipedia's notability guidelines. If you feel it does, make one Keep comment, explaining why you feel it does meet those guidelines, provide sources and links (as needed) to back up your argument, and leave it at that. Going back and forth and back and forth clutters the AfD and is mildly aggravating. You may want to read Wikipedia:Articles for deletion#How to discuss an AfD to learn how to discuss an AfD, and maybe glance over Wikipedia:Arguments to avoid in deletion discussions. Also, it is not my fault you are having a bad day. You are choosing to be very emotional and dramatic over these deletions. I think you really need to learn to stop internalizing things so much and calm down some. You seem to get very emotional over everyday Wiki occurrences, which does not help anything at all and is only upsetting you. Step back, take some deep breaths, and have a cup of tea or milk. -- AnmaFinotera (talk · contribs) 04:05, 18 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep Like that other random Japanese voice actor's article posted above this AfD, there's no actual given reason to delete this. Just a bunch of forced, boilerplate "non-notable per WP:THIS and WP:THAT" wikilawyering that doesn't have any positive or constructive outcome in mind for the overall project. - Norse Am Legend (talk) 04:12, 18 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Hear hear, and firmly agreed. 208.245.87.2 (talk) 18:04, 18 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
If there are no sources discussing these folks (relating to all the voice actor AfDs at the moment), they shouldn't have articles. It doesn't matter whether (we) anime fans think they are notable or important because of the roles they have played in some series, few of which are even considered that relevant/notable in the English speaking world because outside of Japan, anime is still a niche market. In reality, most don't even get that much coverage in Japan because voice actors are like TV actors in bit roles, with only a few exceptional ones out there who achieve claim and fame enough to be widely covered in various sources. -- AnmaFinotera (talk · contribs) 20:14, 18 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
WP:BIO is not limited to "the English speaking world". These actors are either notable or they aren't. And, as far as the first criteria for an WP:ENTERTAINER is concerned, they are because the roles they've played are significant.--Nohansen (talk) 20:22, 18 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment These AfD's seem to be related as by the same nom about similar actors and created by the same editor - I linked to them at the top for other editor's ease but nom has now deleted them twice so am adding here: Banjeboi 03:22, 21 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

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  • Comment. I just did a search of her on the net, and it is true that there is pretty much nothing regarding her at all, except that she has roles in Cutey Honey and Digimon... This leads me to agree with Collectonian on the Notability, however due to a bit of bias on my part to keep such pages, I am undecided. Can someone summarise for me, out of the list of anime roles, which of the roles are lead roles and secondary roles? -- Highwind888, the Fuko Master (talk) 03:49, 22 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • Nohansen pretty much covered the lead roles: title role in Cutey Honey Flash and one of the five leads in Yes! PreCure 5; the Digimon role is as a recurring secondary character, and the rest are secondary or bit/single-episode parts. —Quasirandom (talk) 20:26, 22 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was Merge to List of Air Gear terms. --PeaceNT (talk) 05:08, 25 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Air Trecks

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Completely unnotable fictional variant of inline skates from the series Air Gear. Fails WP:N, WP:FICT, WP:PLOT and WP:WAF. Tagged for notability issues since February 2008 with no action taken to address these problems. -- AnmaFinotera (talk · contribs) 00:29, 18 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]


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The result was Merged and redirected to List of extraterrestrials in Dragon Ball . I merged in the lead paragraph - anything more that is sourced and isn't just OR can be added. Black Kite 22:37, 23 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Namekian

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This article asserts zero notability through reliable sources, and is simply a repetition of the plot of various Dragon Ball articles plot sections in an in-universe way. It is therefore wholly duplicative, unnotable, and should be deleted. Judgesurreal777 (talk) 15:27, 17 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]


  • Keep & Clean Up It shows notability through the references it uses, in the same way as Son Goku. I don't see any plot repetition in the article (except in the History section, but that's to be expected [you can't have a Dragon Ball race article that makes no mention whatsoever about plot]). Little to none of the information in the article is duplicative. An in-universe tag should be placed, but deletion is overkill.--KojiDude (C) 15:45, 17 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment. The article needs cleanup and reliable sources. Once that is done, then the article should be fine. RobJ1981 (talk) 15:53, 17 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
That's great to hear, and I look foreword to seeing those references posted here so we can all know how notable this is. Judgesurreal777 (talk) 16:38, 17 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Well I never said I would do it, I just gave advice to KojiDude. Personally, I'm not so sure if sources do exist. RobJ1981 (talk) 16:59, 17 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment The Planet Namek article was some barely-linked to series of small paragraphs made by one guy a few weeks ago with no references and etc, on top of being a really minor part of the series in and of itself though. - Norse Am Legend (talk) 04:21, 18 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was merge to List_of_Galaxy_Angel_characters; action to be taken by others. Jerry talk ¤ count/logs 14:01, 23 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Nano-Nano Pudding

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It seems to me that such a minor fictional character as Nano-Nano Pudding should not have it's own entry. The article itself is just not notable enough! I can understand a brief summary in the game Galaxy Angel, but having an article on the character is just going too far. Tbsdy lives (talk) 08:52, 17 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

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