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Requested moves is used to request, and vote on, article moves that are not straight-forward, or that require the assistance of Wikipedia administrators. (For simple uncontroversial moves, follow the advice at Help:Renaming (moving) a page instead; there is a [Move] tab at the top of every page for normal moves.)

For example, the proposed move may be controversial, or the "Move" function may not work (e.g. because the target exists, and has history; the move function will not overwrite such a target). Such moves should usually be discussed on the talk pages of any relevant articles first, particularly where a page move may be controversial.

Approval voting is encouraged for page moves requested on this page. Requested moves may be implemented if there is a Wikipedia community consensus (60% or more) supporting the moving of an article after five (5) days under discussion on the talk page of the article to be moved, or earlier at the discretion of an administrator. The time for discussion may be extended if a consensus has not emerged.

Technical expertise may be needed to merge edit histories, e.g. when an article has been 'moved' via a cut and paste move; see #History merges below for how to handle such cases.
To merge two articles please make a request at Wikipedia:Duplicate articles instead of here.
This is not the proper place to request the "moving" of images or categories. See below for more information.

Instructions

First, note that many page moves may be accomplished by any logged in user by using the move button at the top of the user interface (see the help page). Requested moves is intended only for moves that either may be disputed, so that consensus should be obtained before the move, or that require administrator involvement because the intended new location also has a page history.

Please see #Relevant policies and guidelines if you are unsure whether a page move is appropriate.

To request a page move, follow this three-step process:

(replace PageName with the name of the page to be moved and NewName with your proposed name)

I.

Add the request to the
list on this page

To aid the administrators, add a line with the day's date on it directly under the heading of the Current Notices subsection, if it has not already been added for this day. Today is November 4 2024.

===[[date]] [[year]]===

To enter a request for a single page to be moved to a new name, add a line at the top of the section under the date line:

* [[Talk:PageName]] – [[PageName]] → [[NewName]] – {reason for move} — ~~~~

A handy way to do this is to write the following on an empty line: {{subst:WP:RM|PageName|NewName|reason for move}} ~~~~ which will include all the necessary formatting (do not forget the "subst:"). For more complicated requests see #Multiple page moves for formatting suggestions. Include the page's name in your edit summary. Save this page.

II.

Add the move template to talk page.

Enter the following text at the top of the talk page of the page you want moved:

{{move|NewName}}

If you want a page to be moved, but don't yet know what name it should be given, you can use {{moveoptions}} instead to indicate that there are several options to discuss.

III.

Create a place for discussion

If one does not already exist, create a section on the talk page of the page you want moved for discussion. This can take any form that is reasonable for administrators to follow, but copying the following is suggested:

==Requested move==

The reasons for move copied from the entry on the [[WP:RM]] page
----
:''Add *'''Support''' or *'''Oppose''' followed by an optional one sentence explanation, then sign your vote with <nowiki>~~~~</nowiki>''

===Discussion===
:''Add any additional comments''

If you are proposing that multiple closely related pages should all be moved for the same reason (see #Multiple page moves), it may be advisable to create this discussion on only a single talk page and provide links from the other talk pages to this centralized discussion.

Please include "move proposal" or similar in the edit summary and don't mark it as minor. Consider checking the "Watch this page" box to follow the page in your watchlist. Save the page.

What to do on the article page

If the move you are suggesting is uncontroversial, for example, it is correcting spelling or capitalisation, update the article reflecting the title it should have (for example, the article is at My Dog but should be at My dog, change the opening sentence to '''My dog''' is furry.). The template CapitalMove is also available, see Category:Requested capitalization moves.

Current discussions

Please add notices to the top of this section in the format described above. Actual discussions should take place on the article's talk page, not here.

Talk:Gold Coast (disambiguation) — Gold Coast (disambiguation) → Gold Coast – This is currently a redirect to one of the many places listed in the DAB page. Locating the dab page here rather than the redirect would be more correct. It was this way before an editor changed it without discussion. Vegaswikian 22:04, 19 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Talk:Super Channel — Super Channel → NBC Europe – The channel is no longer called 'Super Channel', but 'NBC Europe', but NBC Europe (a redirect to Super Channel) has a page history. Thelb⁴ 21:06, 19 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Talk:Waterloo High School — Waterloo High School → Waterloo High School (New York) – As discussed at RfD Waterloo High School should be a dab since there are many schools with that name. A move back is not possible by a user since the the page was modified after the move. Since this was already discussed for a while, can this be speedied? Vegaswikian 19:23, 19 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Talk:Mandan earthhouse — Mandan earthhouse→Earth house. Generalize. Also, normal spelling is two words or hyphenated, not run-together with its two successive hs. This stub deals more with modern construction than the Mandan version, should be generalized (with also additional information about construction of North American tribes other than Mandan, some of which had redlinks to earth lodge which I redirected here, and variants outside North America). Target existed as redirect to dugout (shelter) (I changed it to redirect to this article). Gene Nygaard 16:37, 19 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Talk:Yeshey Tsogyel - Yeshey Tsogyel → Yeshe Tsogyal A search on Google.com suggests the proper spelling as "Yeshe Tsogyal". Also note that Google returns 22K hits for "Yeshe Tsogyal" and only 247 hits for "Yeshey Tsogyel". I'll be happy to provide more rationale if needed. "Yeshey Tsogyel" should obviously be redirected to "Yeshe Tsogyal". Csbodine 13:49, 19 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Talk:Mihalovici - Mihalovici → Marcel Mihalovici Inserting first name.
- Done. File:Austria flag large.png ナイトスタリオン ✉ 19:08, 19 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]

November 18 2005

Talk:Friesian — Friesian → Frisian Frisian is by far more common spelling than Friesian, which is used almost exculsively for the horse type, and not for the people and language. --Hottentot 21:05, 18 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]
Talk:Mojave people — Mojave people → Mohave Mohave Is the correct term, and was where this page was originally at. --Hottentot 21:05, 18 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]
Talk:Destiny (Marvel Comics) — Destiny (Marvel Comics) → Destiny (comics) – Destiny is more well know a character than the other Destiny character from the Sandman title. DrBat 19:40, 18 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]
Talk:Transposition of the Great Vessels – Transposition of the Great Vessels → Transposition of the great vessels – this medical condition should not be in capitals. I cannot simply move the page since the new name already exists (which is just a redirect). Need admin help I think. — —Brim 15:59, 18 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Talk: Kerry Adkisson — Kerry Adkisson → Kerry Von Erich — Kerry was best-known as Kerry Von Erich, and should be listed there. I've moved the rest of the Von Erich clan to their proper places, but can't move Kerry due to a redirect being in place. --HBK 02:35, 18 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]
Talk:American Wisteria — American Wisteria → Wisteria frutescens – This plant article should appear under its scientific name. By the same logic, these others also -- Draeco 01:25, 18 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]
- Talk:Kentucky Wisteria — Kentucky Wisteria → Wisteria macrostachya
- Talk:Chinese Wisteria — Chinese Wisteria → Wisteria sinensis

Talk:Hurricane Marie — Hurricane Marie → Tropical Storm Marie – Same reasons as Flossie Miss Michelle | Talk to Michelle 00:44, 18 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]
Talk:Prussian Tribute – Prussian Tribute → Prussian Homage – The new name is the one used by Norman Davies in God's Playground, the definitive English language history of Poland. The new name also returns about double the Google results of the former. (Both names are used, but the new one is more common.) Appleseed 04:08, 18 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]

November 17 2005

Talk:Gap (clothing retailer) – Gap (clothing retailer) → Gap Inc. – {I have found what I believe to be a suitable solution to avoid this move. Please note the details of the solution on the talk page of article "Gap (clothing retailer)"} — Lucky bunni 00:40, 18 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Talk:Hurricane Flossie — Hurricane Flossie → Tropical Storm Flossie – There was at least one Flossie in the west Pacific. It is Wikiproject policy to use "tropical storm" as the prefic for basins with incompatible prefixes. For some reason the move page tool does not let me move this page. Miss Michelle | Talk to Michelle 00:06, 18 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Talk:Grant Hill (basketball player) — Grant Hill (basketball player) → Grant Hill – I'd do it myself except there's a non-trivial redirect in my way, due to the disambig page at Grant Hill being moved to Grant Hill (disambiguation). ~~~~ 23:56, 17 November 2005 (UTC)

Talk:Pound — Pound → Pound (disambiguation) and Pound (weight) → Pound. This would undo a complex move recently done by new User:Chaosfeary, who did not clean up the resulting links to the disambiguation page and who is now saying he's leaving Wikipedia and asking for speedy deletion of user and talk pages. The move served no purpose; it doesn't make linking currencies any easier, because they still must be disambiguated by country, and it unnecessarily makes linking the mass units more difficult. Gene Nygaard 16:30, 17 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Talk:Government of Hong Kong — Government of Hong Kong → Hong Kong Government – The conventional short name of the executive organ. — Insta ntnood 10:49, 17 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Talk:Brunette — Brunette → Brown hair – Currently, brown hair redirects to brunette, despite the fact that, while all brunettes have brown hair, not all people who have brown hair are brunettes (I, for example, have brown hair, but am not a brunette because I am not a girl). -Branddobbe 08:54, 17 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Agree - this will need some deletion to make it happen though... Trollderella 17:05, 18 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Talk:M.O.L.L.E. — M.O.L.L.E. → MOLLE – Per Talk:A.L.I.C.E.#Move to ALICE: It seems like the convention is to not have the dots in between the letters of an acronym (e.g. SETI, the AJAR dab, TOP, etc.), although I can't find an actual policy that says that. Wikipedia:Use common names would seem to suggest MOLLE over M.O.L.L.E. In #Exceptions, it says:

Several guidelines try to systematise certain types of article titles, for example article titles using abbreviations:

Acronyms: NASA and not N.A.S.A. or N. A. S. A.

This suggests to me that MOLLE sans abbreviating periods is the more appropriate title. Blackcap | talk 07:47, 17 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Talk:.net (top-level domain) — .net (top-level domain) → .net – To make it consistent with all the other TLDs (we've already done the same for .au, which is also an audio file extension). I've already renamed the old .net page to .net (disambiguation), but it won't let me rename the TLD page to .net without admin privileges. I've taken care of all the links to the old .net page already. *Dan T.* 05:07, 17 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]
Talk:Google Sitemap — Google Sitemap → Google Sitemaps – Rename to correct plural form of Sitemap as on Google's website describing Google Sitemaps. The Google Sitemaps article exists as a redirect to Google Sitemap, but WP won't let me move the article J\/\/estbrook 04:44, 17 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Talk:Fairway Rock Island — Fairway Rock Island → Fairway Rock – Peter 2005 created Fairway Rock then created Fairway Rock Island and did a cut-and-paste move. However, the real name of the island is Fairway Rock. —Tox 17:09, 17 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]
Talk:Filipino Martial Arts — Filipino Martial Arts → Filipino martial arts – proper capitalization per WP:MOS. --howcheng [ t  c  w  e ] 17:25, 17 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Old discussions

Place here discussions which have been active for more than 5 days. Remove them once dealt with.

November 15 2005

Talk:Fars - Fars -> Fars Province dab with Fars language, harmonize with other provinces, avoid future dab (short word can have lots of meanings) Tobias Conradi [[User_talk:Tobias Conradi|(Talk)]] 06:13, 15 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Talk:midi-clorians — midi-clorians → midi-chlorians – The name is misspelled based on one unverified edition of the Star Wars Episode 1 novelization. Citations from the film subtitles, the Star Wars official web site, and the novelization taken from Amazon show the contrary. Rcharman 04:46, 15 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Obstructed moves

List here old requests which cannot be fulfilled due to some obstruction that an administrator cannot deal with outright, e.g. legitimate content in the way.

Clarification required

List here old requests where the closing administrator is unsure of the action to be taken, and requires clarification from a party involved in the discussion.

Talk:April 2005 in the United States-Talk:Current events in the United States- It was moved because the only events described were from April but that has change and should be moved to the same title as the same title as the main page. Newbie222 19:18, 13 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]

What? The events described on that page are from April. I'm not sure what you're trying to accomplish. —Cleared as filed. 20:39, 20 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]

November 14 2005

Talk:John Block — John Block → John Block (Disambiguation) – There is more than one John Block Peteve 16:40, 14 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Procedure for admins

It is important to check to see if the redirect has major history; major history contains information about the addition of current text. (This is sometimes caused by the accidental creation of a duplicate article, or someone doing a cut-and-paste "move", instead of using the "Move this page" button.) Never simply delete such redirect pages, (which we need to keep for copyright reasons).

Major history

There are three ways to deal with a page move with a major history:

The "right" way is to merge the histories, using the procedure outlined at Wikipedia:How to fix cut and paste moves. This is a slightly fraught procedure, which on rare occasions doesn't work correctly. There are also circumstances (for example duplicate pages) where it's not the correct choice anyway. Once done, it cannot easily be undone, so don't pick this option unless it's definitely the right one. You can request history merges at Wikipedia:Cut and paste move repair holding pen.
Alternatively, the article and the redirect can be swapped. This leaves the bifurcated history, but has less chance of causing problems. Simply move one of the pair to a temporary name, and then delete the new redirect which that move will left behind at the original location; next, move the other page of the pair across to the first one's old location, and delete that left-over new redirect; finally, move the first one from its temporary location to its new name. You will then need to delete the new redirect at the temporary location, and finally fix the old redirect to point at the article again (at this point, it will be pointing to itself).
Another option is for redirect pages with major history to be archived into a talk namespace, and a link to them put into the article's talk page. (An example of such a page is a Talk:Network SouthEast, which was originally created as a duplicate article at Network SouthEast and later archived, when the original article was moved from Network South East.)

Minor history

A minor history on the other hand contains no information, for example the redirect page Eric Tracy has a minor history but Eric Treacy (which incidentally is the correct spelling) could not be moved there because of a spelling mistake in the original page. Redirect pages with minor histories can simply be deleted.

Tidying up

Whichever of these various options you take, moving pages will create double redirects in any redirects that pointed to the original page location. These must be fixed; click on the "What links here" button of the new page location to check for them. It is the responsibility of the admin doing the move to fix these, though periodically a bot will fix any you miss.

When you complete an entry on this page (whether the move was accepted or rejected), don't forget to remove the {{move}} tag from the talk page and if a discussion on the move exists on the talk page please add and sign a comment to indicate whether the move was accepted or rejected. Also, remove the entry from this page (do not simply strike it through).

It's worth periodically checking either Category:Requested_moves or here to see if any pages missed this step. Checking either of these regularly has the side-benefit of finding pages where people added the {{Move}} tag to the page, but didn't realize they needed to edit WP:RM as well.

Admins volunteering to do tidying tasks should watch this page for new notices.

History merges

There are two ways to deal with required merges of a copy/paste move which cannot be done right away.

One is to list the pages involved at Wikipedia:Cut and paste move repair holding pen.

The other is to move the history to /history and use {{pending merge}}. For example, Bicycle Thieves was moved to Bicycle Thieves/history and {{pending merge|Bicycle Thieves}} placed on the article. This also adds Category:Pending merge, all of which will be done later.

Additional notes

Multiple page moves

For single page moves with more than one option for the destination name:

Talk:page to be moved -- page to be moved to new page or new page two etc -- {brief reason for move} -- ~~~~

For block moves:

Talk:page to be moved -- page to be moved 1 to target page 1
- ...
- page to be moved n to target page n
- {brief reason for move} -- ~~~~

An example of how to request to move a block of pages:

Talk:The Levellers -- Levellers to Levellers (disambiguation)
- The Levellers to Levellers
- the word "The" should be removed from the Levellers page. -- ~~~~

Another example of how to request to move a block of pages:

Talk:Third world -- First world to First World,
- Second world to Second World and
- Third world to Third World
- This was a move made earlier in the year as a block move, after listing on this page because all three were blocked by edits to the target pages -- ~~~~

Relevant policies and guidelines

PLEASE NOTE:

Many moves can be accomplished by a registered user without administrator assistance by using the "Move this page" button.
Requested moves is not the proper place to request renaming images or categories.
- To rename a category see Wikipedia:Categories for deletion:How to use this page point 5.
- To rename an image. re-upload the image with the name you want, change the links on the relevant pages then delete the old one with a request to Wikipedia:Images and media for deletion.
- It is also possible to ask an administrator to intervene directly see Wikipedia:Requests for administrator attention (and possibly Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard for troublesome cases).

In discussing a page move, or making a move request, please consider following Wikipedia policies and guidelines:

Wikipedia:Naming conventions
Wikipedia:Proper names
Wikipedia:Manual of Style
Wikipedia:Disambiguation
Wikipedia:Neutral point of view
Wikipedia:Don't disrupt Wikipedia to illustrate a point
Wikipedia:How to hold a consensus vote
Wikipedia:WikiProject Rivers
- If a river page is to be moved, add a mention of the move under Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Rivers/Naming#Requested_moves
Wikipedia:WikiProject Numbers
- If a number page is to be moved, add a mention of the move under Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Numbers#Requested moves
Wikipedia:Naming conventions (names and titles)
- If European monarchical titles or noble titles are involved, add a mention of the move under Wikipedia talk:Naming conventions (names and titles)#Requested moves

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