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Basel/Mulhouse Airport listing in destination articles

EuroAirport Basel-Mulhouse-Freiburg, sits in France in town of Mulhouse, but most airlines flying there are actually serving Basel in Switzerland across the border, Freiburg in Germany rarely features in any airline list, but some people are choosing to add Mulhouse and Freiburg to an airlines destination list even if the airline may only be flying to Basel, also they are choosing to list Basel under France just because the airport is there, while the concerned airlines schedule only shows Basel being served with the code BSL and not Mulhouse with the code MLH nor Freiburg with its code. How to resolve this, is there a concensus on the issue?116.71.17.157 (talk) 15:30, 6 February 2011 (UTC)

What about the Geneva Airport? 203.198.25.118 (talk) 07:11, 8 February 2011 (UTC)

Does GVA Airport sit in another country?inspector (talk) 07:04, 12 February 2011 (UTC)

It serves both Switzerland and France. 116.49.131.235 (talk) 17:52, 4 March 2011 (UTC)

Hong Kong listing issue back again

Destinations lists of many Asian carriers are showing HKG listed under mainland China.116.71.2.247 (talk) 12:15, 14 February 2011 (UTC)

So I guess it can remain listed as part of PRC despite concensus for HKG and Macau to be listed independantly, since just about every list is showing it under PRC now, I changed few but have stopped doing so.116.71.12.69 (talk) 21:15, 2 March 2011 (UTC)

There was never a consensus to do so, and all previous conversations on the matter were marred by sockpuppets and trolls. SchmuckyTheCat (talk)

The norm was to list them separately until SchmuckyTheCat and Huaiwei started to get around to modify all of them. Look up the edit histories of all these lists and you can find their names. 203.198.25.154 (talk) 12:20, 3 March 2011 (UTC)

You are still griping about things that happened in 2004. Go away. SchmuckyTheCat (talk)

As far as I know HKG and MFM were being listed seprately back in 2008 or 2009.116.71.22.215 (talk) 20:41, 3 March 2011 (UTC)

After being different before. It swings back and forth depending a lot on how much ruckus the sockpuppets of a banned user can get away with. It feeds into a larger projectwide issue of Chinese denialism around Hong Kong and Macau. The airline articles are just another place where deniers can present, via layout, an independent Hong Kong. A lot of this is done by one user who has been banned for several years and now edits via sockpuppet or IP proxies. When he's done with the airlines project, he'll move somewhere else and make his presentation edits before being discovered and everything being undone again.

I vastly prefer the layout on the airport articles which simply list cities, not countries, because it makes this issue moot. SchmuckyTheCat (talk)

I notice you are now also changing full PRC name back to just China, also you are being selective in doing all this, some lists still read PRC full name others are just China, some have Hong Kong listed with Chinese flag next to it, others dont, why the inconsistency? from your talk page it appears you are quite rude as well, this attitude shouldnt be tolerated coming from editors.Since HKG is not PRC just a dependency it should remain seprate also Macau, other than China ruling some aspects of HKG it has largely independant policies including aviation, and it has its own currency too.116.71.8.148 (talk) 13:22, 9 March 2011 (UTC)

Transavia Denmark

Hi. Could someone please help me expand about Transavia Denmark befor they cease? thanks --MKY661 (talk) 00:42, 26 February 2011 (UTC)

Request to rename NACIL destinations

Kindly change title to Air India Limited destinations as the company is now Air India Limited, thanks.inspector (talk) 17:40, 27 February 2011 (UTC)

Not needed Air India destinations already exists. MilborneOne (talk) 18:32, 27 February 2011 (UTC)

I have proposed the article be deleted with comment Article is related to a holding company that does not have destinations, it is also a duplication of Air India destinations which correctly relates to the airline MilborneOne (talk) 18:39, 27 February 2011 (UTC)

EgyptAir Express destinations

Requesting redirect into main airline article, too few destinations being the reason.119.155.61.11 (talk) 20:09, 2 March 2011 (UTC)

 Done -- Hawaiian717 (talk) 20:46, 2 March 2011 (UTC)

Thank you.116.71.12.69 (talk) 21:11, 2 March 2011 (UTC)

Codeshare section

Alliance names are being repeated with each airline in these listings and that too in linked form, it dosent make sense, and causes clutter and distortion, what to do? perhaps using symbols for each alliance like some articles are doing would be better.119.155.36.234 (talk) 16:45, 4 March 2011 (UTC)

Can you link to examples? -- Hawaiian717 (talk) 17:13, 4 March 2011 (UTC)

Korean Air SkyTeam added five times Oneworld twice and all active/clickable.119.155.39.161 (talk) 19:09, 4 March 2011 (UTC)

I don't think the linked names are a problem, but it's mostly a style issue. Probably not critical they be linked since the article for an alliance member ought to already have a link to the alliance elsewhere. Using the alliance logo instead leads to issues with fair use since they're copyrighted, and airlines will generally only be a member of one alliance anyway, and a generic symbol distracts the reader into having to figure out what the symbol represents. I think it's most important that each article be consistent with itself; either link the alliance name for each entry (similar to how tables can link repeated entries since each row is considered independent), or link none of them.

One thing I think needs to be changed in the Korean Air article is that JAL and LAN should not mention or link to Oneworld. Korean is not a Oneworld partner and thus the codeshare agreements between Korean and these airlines is not part of the Oneworld alliance. -- Hawaiian717 (talk) 19:25, 4 March 2011 (UTC)

Emirates focus city listings?

I notice that MEL, BKK, SYD, and SIN are listed as focus cities for EK. However, by looking at the destinations the airline served from the airport(s), they are mostly point-to-point routes or just routes operating under the same plane and flight number. I have tag the section as "Citation Needed" if anyone can find proof that Emirates do have focus city operations at those airports. Thanks! Snoozlepet (talk) 23:16, 7 March 2011 (UTC)

Air New Zealand destinations

Page is looking all messed up with inclusion of three sets of tables, atleast ANZ link destinations should not be listed here and should be in those carriers own articles.Terminated destinations can be merged into destination table as done with Braathens destinations.116.71.8.148 (talk) 14:00, 9 March 2011 (UTC)

Ethiopian Airlines to Milan-Malpensa

Some IPs are continuing to add Milan as a future destination for ET. However, no press release for flights to Milan have been made and it is not listed as a desitnation on their website. Can anyone find a source that Ethiopian Airlines is indeed launching flights to MXP on June 15 and update it to the respective articles? Thanks! Snoozlepet (talk) 04:00, 10 March 2011 (UTC)

Royal Jordanian

The carriers name is Royal Jordanian Airlines, why is the article title abbreviated? yes they market the name on aircraft in abbreviated form, so do PIA who use just Pakistan International, but their wiki article has full Pakistan international Airlines header.116.71.21.218 (talk) 20:42, 16 March 2011 (UTC)

PrivatAir destinations redirect

The table has been merged into main airline article, kindly redirect to same. Also there seems to have been some vandalism in main article, fleet section was removed too, which has been restored.116.71.8.226 (talk) 04:31, 17 March 2011 (UTC)

Done. Being an IP doesn't prevent you from redirecting existing articles. SchmuckyTheCat (talk)

Thanks, but I dont know how to do it myself.116.71.0.146 (talk) 22:01, 19 March 2011 (UTC)

Polish Wikipedia rejecting Emirates article updates

Any idea why they are doing this? I added new destinations there as well as a terminated routes section even telling them in edit summary that its all updated and sourced to EK website and english wiki atricle, but still they're not accepting it.116.71.0.146 (talk) 22:00, 19 March 2011 (UTC)

Pan Am / Panagra

Hi,

Pan Am was half owner of Pan American Grace Airways (Panagra), and in Pan Am timetables Panagra flights were listed separately from Pan Am ones. Some destinations that were only served by Panagra have been entered in the Pan Am Destinations page. My sense is they should be excluded. Anyone? (see wiki entree for Panagra).

Thanks Chris874664 (talk) 23:02, 19 March 2011 (UTC)

Kingfisher Red

This subsidiary's fleet and destinations are fully merged with Kingfisher Airlines article fleet and destinations sections, yet it maintains a seprate article of it own, should it me merged into main Kingfisher Airline article as a subsection?116.71.26.25 (talk) 01:07, 22 March 2011 (UTC)

Or its own fleet and destinations added to its own article?116.71.19.141 (talk) —Preceding undated comment added 03:20, 24 March 2011 (UTC).

Photos in destinations lists

Adding photos in table layout page is crunching the table with some places wrapping and not good to look at, prime example Ethiopian Airlines destinations, I say there should be a no photo policy in the table region, however photos may be added to sections above the table as in Dragonair destinations. If the table is there it look good not just merely serve its purpose as a table, or font should be reduced in size so there is no wrapping around, is that possible?116.71.19.141 (talk) 03:16, 24 March 2011 (UTC)

Air India Regional

Someone is reverting edits made to the article infobox to change IATA and ICAO codes for the carrier, its not using previous codes anymore after being merged into AI, it just operates using Alliance Air AOC thats all. Also should the subsidiariy's destinations and fleet be merged into Air India like KingFisher and KF Red and Air Asia Group articles?116.71.19.141 (talk) 03:28, 24 March 2011 (UTC)

Someone has removed or is removing this subsidiary from various airport articles and merging its destinations the into Air India's.119.155.44.65 (talk) 20:50, 25 March 2011 (UTC)

Pan Am destinations format changed

Someone has changed the format for listing countries/cities for part of the Pan Am destinations page, and also the TWA destinations page. Is this part of an ongoing change for all airline destination lists, or should it be changed back?

Chris874664 (talk) 17:49, 24 March 2011 (UTC)

From what I can see glancing through the history on Pan Am destinations, the changes are minor, albeit non standard. The newer format is a table-based design, such as the one seen in the Destinations section on Virgin America. -- Hawaiian717 (talk) 19:27, 24 March 2011 (UTC)

Non-standard??? you are contradicting yourself Hawaiian 717, see your post for Air Asia Group destinations terminated section query just a few posts above here. Whats been done to Pan Am and TWA Is the standard text format for terminated destinations Country/City names only with airport name added if required in some cases where more than one airport was served, check every airline articles terminated destinations lists Chris, and to date it continues as the second standard format in addition to the new table layout, the older format of listing every bit of information in terminated destinations was done away with, the few articles that remain as such, are to be changed as well as they come across, wiki supports both this text and newer table forms of lists and concensus was held on it, but text lists once converted to table cannot be reverted to text format again .119.155.44.65 (talk) 06:01, 25 March 2011 (UTC)

OK, 119.155, thank you. I will leave as is, and add new destinations w new format. Chris874664 (talk) 07:26, 25 March 2011 (UTC)

Notable Accidents?

Are these accidents noteable. Safety reccomations were made or one of them. This is the sources http://www.skybrary.aero/bookshelf/books/896.pdf http://www.aaib.gov.uk/cms_resources.cfm?file=/Airbus%20A321-231,%20G-OZBN%2012-07.pdf

--MKY661 (talk) 22:07, 29 March 2011 (UTC)

In my opinion no. It appears that the second accident was not even investigated as such. YSSYguy (talk) 09:10, 30 March 2011 (UTC)

Regional Air Lines or Royal Air Maroc Express?

Which of the two are they? article says they are RAMX topic title is somerhing else.119.155.47.98 (talk) 23:37, 30 March 2011 (UTC)

Cham Wings Airlines destinations

Please redirect to main airline article.119.155.47.98 (talk) 01:41, 31 March 2011 (UTC)

 Done. Help:Redirect tells you how you can do it yourself rather than having to post here to ask someone else every time. -- Hawaiian717 (talk) 02:23, 31 March 2011 (UTC)

OK, thanks for the information.116.71.6.224 (talk) 01:44, 1 April 2011 (UTC)

Afd Frontier Airlines fleet

For information the Frontier Airlines fleet article has been nominated for deletion at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Frontier Airlines fleet. MilborneOne (talk) 22:59, 1 April 2011 (UTC)

Flags not appearing in table

Some country flags are not showing up in various airline table laoyout destination lists.inspector (talk) 12:29, 3 April 2011 (UTC)

Viking Hellas destinations

Hi. can we put Viking hellas destinations as a seperate page. it used to be but it was then redirected as there were not many flights, but now there is loads more than there used to be and it does waste the space on the article. --MKY661 (talk) 22:27, 4 April 2011 (UTC)

I would suggest that for Lufthansa Cityline who have many more but all in the main article.116.71.18.70 (talk) 11:25, 6 April 2011 (UTC)

Dhaka Airport

Someone is adding airlines and routes that do not operate from DAC, keep a look out, I have cleaned it up for now.116.71.12.37 (talk) 11:48, 8 April 2011 (UTC)

Martinair

This airline will end passenger operations from November, cargo service will continue, will a seprate article need to be created for cargo division or will the destinations page title be changed?116.71.5.179 (talk) 12:58, 11 April 2011 (UTC)

400 Boeing images available

Boeing have released on their photostream on Flickr a range of 400+ images under CC-BY licence. This stream was part of promotions for the Expo 2010 held in China last year. A web cache of their website confirms that these licences are legitimate. There are lots of photos of Boeing aircraft in China, but also a lot of historical photos as well. Any editors who are able to help upload these photos to Commons are welcome to do so. --Russavia ^{I'm chanting as we speak} 05:57, 12 April 2011 (UTC)

I uploaded a few photos onto Wiki Commons two months ago, and some are used on Boeing 777 and Boeing 727. Sp33dyphil ^{Ready • to • Rumble} 06:12, 12 April 2011 (UTC)

Air India Cargo

They have all but ended freighter operations and most of the fleet is up for sale, should this article be merged with Air India as a sub-section eventually? 116.71.21.50 (talk) 15:19, 13 April 2011 (UTC)