User talk:Moonriddengirl

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When you loaded this page, it was 17:42, 28 August 2024 UTC [refresh]. Refresh your page to see what time it is now. hi Could tell me please if it is free for anyone to just go ahead and "delete all substantive contributions from a user presumptively", if he or she thinks it apropriate, or are there certain procedures to be followed? If so what are they? thanks. S711 (talk) 17:07, 18 September 2011 (UTC) Thank you for your note. I've replied at your talk page. --Moonriddengirl (talk) 18:14, 18 September 2011 (UTC) Thanks for your answer. I would like to point out that the four examples given of my violations of copyright date back to around 2007, when my user name was S710. I admit when I began writing on wikipedia, I was very careless, indeed. In more recent years, when my user name was S711, I have created 225 articles and I have been very scrupulous to reference all information. I was completely surprised, especially reading: "For this reason, all substantive contributions from this user are being deleted presumptively. This is unfortunate considering that many other users have since improved these likely copyvios, but there is no other way to remove all infringing content. Calliopejen1 (talk) 15:38, 16 September 2011 (UTC) "on [1] I completely understand your concerns for keeping the guidelines, but I hope you will be very carefull and not whosale delete everything. thanksS711 (talk) 18:46, 18 September 2011 (UTC) Hello, Yes, ofcourse I'm aware that referencing itself is not the problem. What I meant was that, when I use a quote, I indicate it as such. In topic 11 above you write that you support Calliopejen in now deleting all my contributions indiscriminately as the only solution. If you think it is better to look at it case by case, would you please let her know? I am curious how the claim is substantiated apart from the four examples given on the board. Was your decision completely on the basis of those four? Is the decision all yours, or are there any other users or administrators involved in it? ThanksS711 (talk) 13:59, 19 September 2011 (UTC) One more question about the CCI. I hope you don't mind. I saw that the "important notice" remains on the board. Can now any wikipedia user take down any contribution I made in the past, without explanation?S711 (talk) 13:15, 22 September 2011 (UTC) Hey Right after your post at Bahamut's talk page, TomStar81 gave a posthumous barnstar. Is there some way to elegantly include that in a prominent location on his userpage? I ask you since as a normal user I cannot edit his userpage, given it's being preserved in his memory. CycloneGU (talk) 23:44, 19 September 2011 (UTC) I don't really know. :/ I'll ask about it at the administrators noticeboard. It's not exactly an administrator matter, but it does require tool use, so it seems like it'll serve. --Moonriddengirl (talk) 10:15, 20 September 2011 (UTC) I decided to put the question at Wikipedia:Village_pump_(policy)#Posthumous_barnstars. I can't help but think that Bahamut would have been very happy with those barnstars, but I want to be sure that the action has community support, since people's feelings can be very much involved. I myself would think it sweet, but I don't know that everybody would. Let's see what the community thinks about the idea. --Moonriddengirl (talk) 10:50, 20 September 2011 (UTC) Good stuff, I shall comment there. Thanks for doing that. =) CycloneGU (talk) 03:49, 22 September 2011 (UTC) Thanks Thanks for your vote of confidence, which led to a beautiful barnstar appearing on my talk page today. I appreciate it. WhatamIdoing (talk) 16:45, 20 September 2011 (UTC) I'm so happy she launched the program, and I'm glad that she recognized your contributions. I meant what I said wholeheartedly. :) I've admired your work for some time. --Moonriddengirl (talk) 10:21, 21 September 2011 (UTC) Missouri Eat Smart Child Care Copyright violation. Revision Delete, please?--intelatitalk 03:36, 21 September 2011 (UTC) Second found Padmanabha Tirtha :) Thanks!! intelatitalk 03:57, 21 September 2011 (UTC) As a former smart child in Missouri, I strenuously protest the state's providing care for devourers of such children. Deor (talk) 04:11, 21 September 2011 (UTC) LOL! How Swiftian. I've revision deleted and given the first contributor a note. That's an important part of the process, to make sure that (a) they don't continue copying content, and (b) if they do, we know they have a history. :) (No reason to give a note to an IP that made an edit almost 2 years ago. :/) Thanks for finding those, intelati! --Moonriddengirl (talk) 10:18, 21 September 2011 (UTC) Hi there. Sorry to bother you but I have exhausted references @ Paul S Farmer, as far as I can tell. What else do I have to do to remove the original research tag, and can I just do it myself? --Paul Stephen Farmer (talk) 17:24, 21 September 2011 (UTC) India Education Program, again I've recently stumbled upon this issue. It appears that copyvio material is being added at an alarming pace. From what I see on the talk page, the ambassadors are basically saying that nothing can be done because "this problem is unlikely to be limited to India. Many students, in US, will plagiarize, often, without knowing what they are doing is wrong." I see in your archive that the situation has been brought up in the past. I feel like 5-6 editors would need to contribute most of their time watching their course watchlists for changes and checking each for a copyvio. I don't even know where to take a discussion on addressing this issue. I've gone through the watchlist of two courses and already feel that the problem is quite large. I've gone through a list of ambassadors and see that in most cases, they're just as new to WP as the students. What do we do? I think the program's goals are great but so far, the problems are vast. OlYellerTalktome 18:25, 21 September 2011 (UTC) I suggested something based on feedback from the foundation liaison and one ambassador (see here). I figured explaining it in those simple terms with examples might help and the tracking table would be useful too as it makes copvyio searching easier but more importantly provides feedback on the other issues we've faced. However, I think they've decided to go a different approach -- the ambassadors were to check for copyvios prior to them pushing it out to mainspace, but I'm not sure that's working in practice. Sadly, it's taking away volunteer time from other copyvio activities (we currently have 12 open CCIs impacting WP:India articles, and one can only do copyvio cleaning for a certain amount of on-wiki time!). —SpacemanSpiff 19:43, 21 September 2011 (UTC) Hey, User:OlYeller21 thanks for pointing out this issue once again, as already discussed we tried our level best to explain importance of copyvios to each and every student of almost every class. I am pretty sure that students have taken this issue seriously, and even if they violate copyvios again their grades will be affected. Do get in touch with me or any other CA if you still find some more issues. Thanks. Rangilo Gujarati (talk) 20:41, 21 September 2011 (UTC) Yes, I've heard that most of the students have had the Fear of Fluffernutter put into them (apparently many of them would like to meet me, just so they can punch me in the nose. First time I've ever gotten to be the bogeyman for anyone!) with regard to copyright violations...the frequency has dropped to almost nothing in the past week or so in the class I monitor. Ambassador intervention might be working after all, just a little bit later than we had hoped. A fluffernutter is a sandwich! (talk) 20:46, 21 September 2011 (UTC) I feel better knowing that so many people are on it. I had a little freak out session when the first three articles I found contained copyvios then found the list of courses. I think the project is really cool and I don't want to discourage anyone but the discussion I saw on the talk page of the project sort of made me think the issue was being shrugged off. @SpacemanSpiff, thanks for the the info. The articles I've passed seem to have appeared from no where (weren't moved from userspace or copy/pasted from userspace). I like the idea of articles being checked before making it into namespace but worry that the courses may be asking students to make articles for subjects that don't warrant an article or already have an existing article. That issue is probably best suited for their course and possibly WP:N though. @Rangilo, thanks for helping with the issue. I feel more confident that it will be worked out with time now. I'll let you know if I see anything. @Fluffernutter, I'm glad the frequency has dropped. It looked like, from talk pages entries, that there was a flood of sorts a month or so ago. I only found three articles today which isn't too bad. I'll keep patrolling new pages like I always do and do my best to help the IEP project as well as addressing copyvios as usual. OlYellerTalktome 02:36, 22 September 2011 (UTC) Thanks so much for keeping an eye out for this, OlYeller (and you, too, Rangilo Gujarati!). I am glad that things are getting better. Have to admit my heart dropped when I saw the header here. I'm really hoping that we can help make this program successful...even if that means waving A fluffernutter sandwich around. ;) (Bogeymen have value!) (Spiff, please don't let your copyright ideas fall off the radar; I'm particularly interested in the one related to processing open CCIs. I worry, though, that my devoting weekends primarily to copyright cleanup will stretch things to the point that they slip my mind. :() --Moonriddengirl (talk) 11:29, 22 September 2011 (UTC) Hey! I just thought of something. What if courses were requested or required to add their new articles to a category similar to Category:Articles created via the Article Wizard but was something like Category:Articles created for the Global Education Program. It could solve more problems than just copyvio issues. I guess there could be talk page project templates created as well. Just sort of riffing at the moment. OlYellerTalktome 11:32, 23 September 2011 (UTC) Is this copyvio It's copied and the material is copyright, but the question is how much can we use and in how many articles. I've left this [2] at the moment, but deleted this [3]. Thanks. Dougweller (talk) 20:54, 21 September 2011 (UTC) I don't believe we can justify using it. I note that one of the sources cited has actually reproduced it from elsewhere; the second one doesn't clarify where it came from (though it may have been another LDS owned source). I've removed it from the remaining article and from the talk page. :/ --Moonriddengirl (talk) 11:23, 22 September 2011 (UTC) Thanks, I was worried I was going too far. Dougweller (talk) 14:45, 22 September 2011 (UTC) Copyrighted text content claimed under fair use Hi! Sorry to bother you, but I'm not sure of my way around meta, and I figured as this was your area of expertise you would be well worth checking in with. I'm having a bit of a discussion on Wikiversity about the existence of pages containing nothing but copyrighted text, but which seem to be claimed as ok under fair use. Ignoring various problems with that claim, if they are to be claimed under fair use, I presume they would need an exemption per the Foundation's licensing policy. But I'm not sure who to ask to confirm that they could be included under an exemption and/or if an exemption is required. Do you have a suggestion as to who to follow this up with? Thanks heaps. - Bilby (talk) 01:31, 22 September 2011 (UTC) I see that User:Philippe (WMF) is on this. That's ideal; he'll know who to run it by. :) I'll watch that one with interest; such content would not be usable on Wikipedia, but I guess Wikiversity is a bit less concerned about such things. :/ --Moonriddengirl (talk) 11:18, 22 September 2011 (UTC) I would have thought it couldn't be used on Wikiversity either, especially given licensing issues. I'm glad he picked up on it, and thanks for your time. :) - Bilby (talk) 11:32, 22 September 2011 (UTC) As an aside, you may be interested in this discussion. If the point of publication, and hence the point where copyright is determined, is to be considered to be the place where the material is hosted, it will have wider ramifications. I don't know US law well enough to comment, (I'm much better with the AU situation), but I doubt it is a clear case. - Bilby (talk) 14:47, 22 September 2011 (UTC) Somebody trying to crack into my account Hi Maggie. This morning I received this email from MediaWiki mail (wiki@mediawiki.org). "Someone from the IP address 218.249.8.227 requested that we send you a new login password for the English Wikipedia. The new password for the user account "Mathsci" is "<redacted>". You can now log in to Wikipedia using that password. If someone else made this request, or if you have remembered your password and you no longer wish to change it, you may safely ignore this message. Your old/existing password will continue to work despite this new password being created for you. ~Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia http://en.wikipedia.org" How could such a request be made on wikipedia? IPs in China have been used in the past by Mikemikev to evade his various bans, so my guess is that this is more disruption from Mikemikev. How can I stop this happening in the future? Thanks, Mathsci (talk) 07:13, 22 September 2011 (UTC) (My guess is that anybody can try to login as Mathsci and then activate the "email a new password" option.) Mathsci (talk) 07:21, 22 September 2011 (UTC) (lurking) Yes, anyone can, at the moment, but the good news is that it doesn't block you from using your old password. This could be a false alarm, or a good faith attempt by someone else who thinks they have the username. The password will only be sent to the email address that you registered when you created your Wikipedia account. Once this happens, you can either ignore it, or you can log in with the temporary password, and create a new permanent password. Immediately check the registered email address in Preferences. If it really was an attack, I suggest changing your email account password and Wikipedia account password, but avoid using wireless connections or insecure or unknown networks while doing this. Generally avoid using non-WPA2 wireless networks, or unknown networks, and I suggest using SSL encrypted Wikipedia access: https://secure.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/wiki/Main_Page . These precautions will provide maximum protection against snooping. HTTPS: For Gmail, set your Google settings to always use HTTPS to prevent possible snooping in future. There is also a Firefox plugin called "HTTPS everywhere" which always tries to use the secure HTTPS version of a webpage, if one exists. Optionally create a Wikipedia:Committed identity. Committing to your Wikipedia identity with a cryptographic hash makes it possible to always regain control over an account if it is ever hijacked. You type a looooong phrase which only you know, but can easily remember, and it's converted to a hash which you post somewhere in your User space. Read about it, and its instructions, here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template:User_committed_identity In the most pessimistic scenario, the attacker already has your email open, is waiting to see the new Wikipedia password, which is why I suggest changing your email password first. If it's GMail, look at the bottom right corner. If you see "Open in 1 other location Details", click Details; there, you can log out all other sessions, then change your password. --Lexein (talk) 08:16, 22 September 2011 (UTC) Addendum: "burn off" each temporary password by using it. They are disabled after use. (Do they time out and stop working if unused? I do not know.)(*) --Lexein (talk) 13:59, 22 September 2011 (UTC) <clap, clap> (/deeply impressed with this answer. :)) --Moonriddengirl (talk) 10:57, 22 September 2011 (UTC) (I sorta owed you, after the "covers" incident.) --Lexein (talk) 13:59, 22 September 2011 (UTC) I think the request was not the result of snooping off-wiki because of geographical locations. I have no worries about my accounts or email accounts off-wikipedia which are well protected in France and the UK. (I do not use gmail for wikipedia.) Mikemikev has been mentioned by other users in connection with the compromised admin account Spencer195 (talk · contribs), which was discovered in the course of an SPI I filed. Mathsci (talk) 12:27, 22 September 2011 (UTC) Very interesting! Glad your accounts are well covered. If you anticipate further attacks (who doesn't?), do consider committed identity as a recovery method. I'm not convinced committed identity must trackback to a real name or assets owned under that real name, by the way, just to unique assets "owned" by your existing Wikipedia identity. --Lexein (talk) 13:59, 22 September 2011 (UTC) (*) The question of temporary password expiration time was posed and answered at the Help Desk, and incorporated into the advisory email text. As John Hodgman might say, "You're welcome." --Lexein (talk) 13:01, 24 September 2011 (UTC) Well done. :D --Moonriddengirl (talk) 13:41, 24 September 2011 (UTC) Paul S. Farmer Sorry to bother you again but I am having problems trying to improve Paul S Farmer. The response to my asking how I could remove the OR template was to re-gain another you had said I could remove earlier! I appreciate that this is all very trivial for someone as in demand as you, but any further guidance would be much appreciated.--Paul Stephen Farmer (talk) 11:32, 22 September 2011 (UTC) It's not trivial at all; I'm actually looking at it right now. I usually work my talk page from the bottom up and had only just gotten to your note. :) I hope to have a better answer for you soon. --Moonriddengirl (talk) 11:33, 22 September 2011 (UTC) I've left some comments at the article's talk page. First, I'm sorry your question at that talk page was not answered more politely. :/ I've asked at WP:COIN for input of uninvolved editors. As with any enterprise involving volunteers, we don't always get quick feedback and sometimes don't get feedback at all, but if nobody responds within a few days I do have other options. :) --Moonriddengirl (talk) 12:15, 22 September 2011 (UTC) The article seems to me to be NPOV. I would like to see a date of birth. I am appalled by the discourtesy shown to PSF. Kittybrewster ☎ 12:25, 22 September 2011 (UTC) Thanks again Moonriddengirl (have also responded on my discussion page) and thanks Kittybrewster - will fix DOB now.--Paul Stephen Farmer (talk) 13:19, 22 September 2011 (UTC) Double thanks Kittybrewster as have only just taken in your edits. --Paul Stephen Farmer (talk) 13:26, 22 September 2011 (UTC) Hello MRG, I was very happy to endorse your request at WP:COIN and I've left a note at my Talk. Opbeith (talk) 14:17, 23 September 2011 (UTC) Sadly I fear this article will have soon lost its point due to severe expectations of some editors. I am running to go backwards! --Paul Stephen Farmer (talk) 13:57, 24 September 2011 (UTC) Andrew Lees (neurologist) I strongly agreed with your comments to Stephen Farmer. We have a similar situation with User_talk:Andrewlees who is a potentially valuable contributor but needs to be treated with kindness and courtesy rather than templates. Please can you sort it out? Kittybrewster ☎ 18:10, 22 September 2011 (UTC) Hi. Thanks for letting me know. :) I'll go take a look and see if I can help him out. --Moonriddengirl (talk) 20:49, 22 September 2011 (UTC) I'm sorry; I had an unexpected family emergency come up. :/ (Nothing really bad; just massively time-eating and annoying.) I will help him out, but I won't be able to do it until tomorrow. --Moonriddengirl (talk) 00:28, 23 September 2011 (UTC) Yet another editor unfamiliar with copyright policy User:Kartikkaul1 expanded Harish-Chandra by copying a long section from a (copyrighted) web site, which I have removed, and a quick look at a few of his other contributions suggests that this is not an isolated problem. I don't plan to do anything further about this myself, but I thought I should let you know in case you are running out of copyright problems to deal with... r.e.b. (talk) 01:44, 23 September 2011 (UTC) Thank you. As the contributor has a short history, I have been able to review his or her articles and believe that I have cleaned up all issues. The contributor has been notified and has removed the warning, signalling that he or she is now aware. --Moonriddengirl (talk) 11:31, 23 September 2011 (UTC) Hello again Moonriddengirl, I followed your advice and provided the citations needed and replaced that note with COI. I also contacted User talk:Mtking but haven't gotten a reply. I read the wikipedia page of Paul Polansky thoroughly and I think it's fair a neutral. Also, there isn't a single citation from his own website. Can "you" please help me remove the tag? I would really appreciate it! Puregoldxxxx (talk) 18:08, 25 September 2011 (UTC) Hello Hello Moonriddengirl, I'm the webmaster of Paul Polansky's website and wikipedia page. We exchanged an email few weeks ago but a medical emergency came and I had to have surgery and finally I'm back. Can you please tell me what do I need to do to remove the notices on Paul Polansky's wikipedia page? Thank you "very" much for your help and consideration, I really appreciate it. Best Regards, Marco — Preceding unsigned comment added by Puregoldxxxx (talk • contribs) 10:50, 23 September 2011 (UTC) Hi. I'm sorry about your surgery and glad that you are recovering. The first thing I would recommend is finding sources for those specific items that are tagged "citation needed." Once all the content is fully sourced, the tag at the top can be changed. I would recommend at that point (and only at that point) removing this material: {{multiple issues|BLP sources=September 2011|COI=September 2011}} And placing this instead: {{COI}} After that, you should review the article to satisfy yourself that it is completely neutral (including with a fair balance of criticism, if there is any, of Mr. Polansky). Material that praises Mr. Polansky should not be sourced to his own websites, but to external reliable sources--for instance, that Mr. Polansky's film Gypsy Blood won an award should be verified by somebody else. Once you feel confident of that, you have several options. First, you can ask the tagger himself if his or her concerns are addressed. The easiest way to do this is at User talk:Mtking. If he agrees, the tag can be removed. Alternatively, you can ask for independent review and removal of the tag, if it conforms to policies and guidelines. To do that, you just leave a note at the talk page asking somebody to read it through and remove the tag if they agree. To make sure that your request isn't unnoticed, you place this next to it: {{Request edit}}. Finally, you can leave a note at the conflict of interest noticeboard explaining your situation and connection and asking if there are any lingering concerns. If you need additional information or run into any issues along the way, please feel free to drop by. I'll be happy to try to help you find avenues for resolving this. :) --Moonriddengirl (talk) 11:04, 23 September 2011 (UTC) Regarding copyright/Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/100 Greatest TV Moments Hi there. I appreciate you taking the time to offer your advice on that AFD, it certainly cleared the issue up in my mind. It's unfortunate (IMHO) that the current WP:NFC policies seem open to interpretation as it relates to those kind of articles. I'm concerned that had the AFD been for more popular pages then there might have been substantial opposition resulting in a Keep via consensus, despite the apparent copyright breach this would create. I'm guessing that there are a lot more instances of these kind of potential violations - I've recently made this edit to Guitarist to remove such a list which used the very article it was copied from as a citation. You say you've attempted to draw up policy revisions but haven't been able to get them off the ground. Would there be anything I could do to help? ŞůṜīΣĻ¹98¹Speak 11:09, 23 September 2011 (UTC) We need to come up with a consistent, consensus-based way to handle these that is within the guidance of our attorney. This was my fruitless effort to get community discussion going: Wikipedia talk:Copyrights/Archive 14#Copyright in lists. I suppose I should try again and publicize it more widely, since it archived without response. The main problem with it, I imagine, is that it doesn't actually propose a solution. It just asks people to help create one. :/ (Pending the creation of one, I typically turn a blind eye to partial lists myself, unless they're substantial or listed for community review.)--Moonriddengirl (talk) 11:54, 23 September 2011 (UTC) No responses at all to it... I see what you mean about people not liking to talk about copyright. Maybe the answer is to draft a potential policy clearly defining editorial parameters and see what the Powers-That-Be and the wider community think of it? I've started vaguely thinking of trying to sketch a rough guideline (what to do/what not to do) in my userspace over the weekend. If I come up with anything useful I'll let you know. It's kinda troubling me - an extended quote from a magazine or the lyrics to a song would get deleted without question and yet media company's "Top 100 Whatevers" get copied wholesale. ŞůṜīΣĻ¹98¹Speak 13:38, 23 September 2011 (UTC) People are confused about what constitutes creativity in a list, and the courts have been somewhat inconsistent about this. But we do have guidance from our attorney, if and when we ever get the community to work on drafting something. :) Personally, I think an essay is the way to go with this, akin to Wikipedia:Close paraphrasing. I believe that a new policy would be seen as instruction creep. I had planned to move the essay in my userspace (User:Moonriddengirl/Copyright in lists) into project space once it was completed, but I was hung up on the issue of what we can actually do with these lists. The original advice I had written was not in keeping with her recommendation, although it does reflect historical approach to the issue. :) --Moonriddengirl (talk) 13:39, 24 September 2011 (UTC) America's Next Top Model, Cycle 17 Hi, Can you have a look at the suspected copyvio on the above page ? I am not sure but it looks like other articles in the series may also be of concern, for example America's Next Top Model, Cycle 16#Eric Daman looks to be taken from here give the later has a longer summary. You advice on what to do next would be welcome. Mtking (edits) 23:14, 23 September 2011 (UTC) From a copyright standpoint, television related articles are an absolute pain in the neck as fans persistently copy episode summaries. Some of them persist after they are cautioned, although many do not, but the real problem is having to always start from scratch in explaining to them that this copying is not okay. :/ I've cleaned the article you flagged (cycle 17) and put an edit notice on it that may help. I'm currently looking at the passage you flagged from cycle 16. --Moonriddengirl (talk) 13:25, 24 September 2011 (UTC) I'm happy to say that the specific epic summary you found seems to be copied from us, based on this edit. That's a classic sign of natural evolution. Very likely whoever made the edit summary at the external site just used us as a launching point. I'll make a note of that at the talk page, to save us future checking. :) If you find a source that looks likely, you are always welcome to flag it for investigation as at cycle 17 or bring it by here. If you feel strongly that the content is a copyright problem, the template is the way to go. And I see that you have done a good job at cycle 17 keeping users from restoring that content. That can be frustrating, but on the other hand it does help us to identify contributors who need more assistance understanding what they can and can't do. :/ --Moonriddengirl (talk) 13:34, 24 September 2011 (UTC) Thanks, I will keep an eye on it, and when get some time have a look at the other articles in the series. Mtking (edits) 22:17, 24 September 2011 (UTC) Bahamut Again It seems that other users also want to see the major WikiChevrons award on his userpage. Shall I put together a quick bit to replace the existing templated userbox? I think I'll put both awards inside the box, and the notice of preserving the userpage below it. CycloneGU (talk) 02:12, 24 September 2011 (UTC) I'm a Milhist coord -- the Oak Leaves award is the highest award we can give, so it's seldom awarded... I suspect he would have been ecstatic to receive it, and I'm very sorry I didn't nominate him for it earlier. Ed [talk] [majestic titan] 02:40, 24 September 2011 (UTC) I suspect he would have been very pleased, too, and I'm very glad that the community supports this. That sounds like a good approach to me, CycloneGU. Thank you for following up on this. Ed, I know what an honor that Barnstar is. I think it is a very fitting tribute. --Moonriddengirl (talk) Here's what I slapped together. This is what I think should appear at the top of his user page, then lock it down. CycloneGU (talk) 15:42, 24 September 2011 (UTC) Actually seeing it brings home how large the barnstars are. Given that, I think we must put the protection notice and the notice that he has passed away first. Trying that out shows me that you can't actually see his userpage, though, without scrolling way down, and I think that may be a bad idea, since it is first and foremost preserving him, in a sense. ([4]) CylconeGU, what about User:Moonriddengirl/sandbox? The language in my cobbled "collapse box" is purely off the top of my head; it could be anything whatsoever that respectfully conveys its content. (I modified the usual collapse box green to the color used in the top notice.) Ed, what do you think about it? --Moonriddengirl (talk) 17:53, 24 September 2011 (UTC) My only comment is that putting the barnstars below the notice suggests they are part of the page initially, even with the notice saying they are bestowed posthumously. I tend to think they should appear above the page preserved notice, even adding to the notice (the template that is) that the page appears below said notice. Here is what I mean. I do agree that it is kind of awkward inside the notice, but still keeping it collapsible at the top and leaving the notice directly over the preserved userpage works nicely. Ed, might come down to your call. CycloneGU (talk) 23:41, 24 September 2011 (UTC) MRG, since I brought about the idea, any way you can do a temporary unprotect of the page and I'll add it myself before it's locked back down? That is, once we decide how to do it. Either that or a flag is set letting me edit anything...I'm a safe person to give that to. =) I'm still thinking about the "cobbled collapse box language" and might decide exactly what it should say only when adding it. CycloneGU (talk) 00:36, 25 September 2011 (UTC) Hi. I like your alternative, with the collapse box above. My reason for moving the notice up was to make sure it's not overlooked, but I don't think that's an issue with it like this at all. People will not overlook the sad news, which was my main concern. :( I don't have any way to flag it to let you edit it individually. :) I don't have any problem with your adding the text, but I would like to establish what it will say before I unprotect it. I really would not want us to work out any disagreements on the page. Best if we edit it only once, I think. Since we have his page reproduced in my sandbox at the moment, though, we ought to be able to get a pretty good idea of what it should say and how it would look before placement. We can get feedback from others as to the proposed language, too. If we put the notice on his user page and the language we chose was controversial, it would probably be removed. --Moonriddengirl (talk) 11:25, 25 September 2011 (UTC) I agree, best to only edit the physical page once. This is one case where we won't consider edit history contributions on something! I'm hedging back and forth between a couple of things for the "hat" to be titled. "Posthumous Awards" comes to mind. So do "Awarded posthumously", "Posthumous Barnstars", and "Posthumous tributes". Including the word "posthumous" highlights the fact that this person has died and these highly coveted awards were awarded only upon his death, in respect of him. I'm not sure whether "with great respect" is needed with that, but it might be nice to add something after the two-word title of the hat. "Posthumous barnstars. With our deepest condolences." Possible option. CycloneGU (talk) 14:11, 25 September 2011 (UTC) I decided to play with another idea. Instead of having these particular barnstars with a typical signature timestamp, I tested the idea of separating the timestamp to say that is when the awards were given. Is that a nice touch or should we leave it as it was? Current sandbox shows the idea, it can be reverted. We could also remove the links after the name signature (to talk pages, etc.), but I didn't want to take it that far yet. CycloneGU (talk) 14:18, 25 September 2011 (UTC) I thought about condolences, but condolences are something that is usually given to those who love somebody who has passed on. :/ Do you have any idea what the military says when it offers posthumous awards? Maybe that would help. (Of the language you express above, I prefer "awarded posthumously", and I think it might work to start with something "A symbol of our great respect, awarded posthumously" or whatever we wind up with. I'm not seriously proposing the language "A symbol of our great respect" and don't really like it, but I like placing our admiration prior to the time of award.) Speaking of the time of the award, I think replacing the timestamp is a nice touch. Maybe we should hold this particular conversation at the Milhist talk page, though, since the award reflects the project? --Moonriddengirl (talk) 14:21, 25 September 2011 (UTC) As far as barnstars in general, I think it would be nice to have all barnstars show this touch. Note I suggested it for both barnstars, so it's a uniform thing I am looking at here that I've only done so far in this instance. Ed also hopefully is still watching this, so his opinion on the touch is also welcomed. As for what the military says, I saw something on Google that read, "Petition Posthumous Award of Military Cross to Walter Tull". I think they use the same term in general per other results on the page (including some Wikipedia articles). The language bit might be best discussed at the Milhist page moreso than the barnstar. I think I'll try to find my way there and start a discussion. CycloneGU (talk) 15:34, 25 September 2011 (UTC) See Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Military history#Honouring Bahamut0013 - discussion started, let's see what they think. Much of the discussion will probably occur there now, so let's both follow that page. CycloneGU (talk) 15:51, 25 September 2011 (UTC) cosmic ray i have revised several sections of the cosmic ray-article. in addition, i have added several "citations for verification needed" and "inline citation needed" tags [5]. however, i suspect that some of the content constitutes a copyright concern. how should i proceed? should i add copyright-violation-tags as well? -- mustihussain (talk) 14:37, 24 September 2011 (UTC) Hi. :) Can you identify the suspect source? If you can, it's handled one way; if not, another. --Moonriddengirl (talk) 15:05, 24 September 2011 (UTC) i suspect that several sources have been used improperly, but i don't have any evidence. one such source might be e.g. "r.l. fleischer, p.b. price, r.m. walker (1975). nuclear tracks in solids: principles and applications. university of california press." the source is mentioned and used once in the article, but i suspect that the content from this book is just copy-pasted into the article without proper citation. i have added "citations for verification needed" and "inline citation needed" tags and i slightly revised the section where it's used [6].-- mustihussain (talk) 15:35, 24 September 2011 (UTC) If you don't know for sure, what I might do is add {{cv-unsure}} on the talk page and also put a section there explaining your concerns. --Moonriddengirl (talk) 17:31, 24 September 2011 (UTC) thanks :) -- mustihussain (talk) 18:00, 24 September 2011 (UTC) Commons admin? Do you have admin privileges on Commons? I need an admin to delete a couple files that were released under GFDL. The agency that released them now says they misunderstood and thought they were releasing them to me only. They want them deleted from Wikipedia and Commons now. I can do the Wikipedia files, but I don't have admin rights on Commons. --Moni3 (talk) 17:11, 24 September 2011 (UTC) No, I'm afraid I don't. :/ When I need an admin on Commons, I usually either leave a message at Commons:Commons:Administrators' noticeboard or see who is actively editing there and drop them a personal note. Sometimes I can find one on IRC, but not always. --Moonriddengirl (talk) 17:30, 24 September 2011 (UTC) Ok, thanks. --Moni3 (talk) 17:40, 24 September 2011 (UTC) Jonathan Burton Thanks for stepping in, as I was worried this important article might be deleted. Pepso2 (talk) 22:07, 24 September 2011 (UTC) No, I wouldn't want to do that. :) Just eliminate any issues there might be. We generally don't delete entire articles if the issue is limited and easily repaired. I don't know if you're watching the discussion, but I left you a response at Wikipedia:Copyright problems/2011 September 10. The words I've chosen for the article may not be the best and, of course, are open for improvement by anybody. --Moonriddengirl (talk) 11:18, 25 September 2011 (UTC) Re:Copyright Hello, Moonriddengirl. You have new messages at Mar4d's talk page. You can remove this notice at any time by removing the {{Talkback}} or {{Tb}} template. Neutrality Hello again Moonriddengirl, I followed your advice and provided the citations needed and replaced that note with COI. I also contacted User talk:Mtking but haven't gotten a reply. I read the wikipedia page of Paul Polansky thoroughly and I think it's fair a neutral. Also, there isn't a single citation from his own website. Can "you" please help me remove the tag? I would really appreciate it! Puregoldxxxx (talk) 18:13, 25 September 2011 (UTC)