User talk:Ryan Vesey

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• Note, anybody who happens to be searching for something to do, I would welcome any assistance I can get with anything on this list.

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1. Update Barry Stuppler with new references  Partly done
2. Fix up Ruger mark III
3. Create the articles listed at User:Ryan Vesey/Minnesota State Legislators for Cottonwood County
4. Create a stub at minimum for User:Ryan Vesey/Victor E. Lawson
5. Finish User:Ryan Vesey/Xerotine siccative
6. Work on User:Ryan Vesey/Windom Area Schools (Call historical society)
7. Do some more work on User:Ryan Vesey/Missions to Patagonia
8. Modify User:Ryan Vesey/Pahayi information into a list of facts
9. Fix up Esperanza Rising

Pages that need creation

1. Minnesota Star City Program

Windom, Minnesota

Hey Ryan, here are my recommendations for the page, by section:

• Lede: The lede needs to be expanded on a little. Think of it as a blurb of information about what the entire article is about. Typically, if it is in the article itself, it doesn't need to be sourced in the lede.

• History: LOTS more needed. I would check with the town's historical society. They will be able to help with finding links for the information or even books. Books are excellent sources that most Wikipedians forget can be used. Most think it is just weblinks and no more, but books are big time sources.

• Geography and Climate: I would make "Climate" a section section of "Geography", other than that, I don't see any need for improvments here.

• Demographics: Make sure you have updated 2010 information. Alot of the information from the 2010 census is now out, just took 'em awhile. I would also put in some information on the ancestry of the people of Windom in this section, but not as a sub-section. You can see how I did it at Stephens City, Virginia#Demographics.

• Politics: I would rename this section "Government" and expand on it starting with the people on the city council (or whatever your town calls it), the mayor, fire and police chiefs, then post about the state officials and then folks in DC that represent Windom in the House and Senate.

• Transportation: I would expand on this section, but if you find there isn't enough information, you can always add a sentence or two within the "History" section about notable events.

• Economy: Check the Census Bureau website as they will have updated stats and figures on the economy and workforce of Windom.

• Media: I see no room for improvment on this section...and I'm not just saying that cause I made it. :)

• Education: I would bring the Middle and High Schools back into the main section (no need for a sub-section). Use the county school system website for sources.

• Entertainment: I would rename this "Culture" (per WP:USCITY) and expand on it. I put the parks, sights, neat things to see in this section. The Drive-In just south of Stephens City was put in the "Culture" section.

• Notable Natives: I would rename this section "Notable Residents" and expand, just slightly, on who the people are. I gave them a sentence, plus a reference.

• External Links: Good amount of external links, not too many.

OK, now, here is what I think you should add to the page:

• Pictures: You have never have too many, but don't expect them all to be on the page. Try to take a slew of pictures of a nice, cloudless, Sunny day. July days are great for pictures, not great for people, but no clouds and sunny skies make from great pictures with no need for flash.

• References: You can never have too many, and you will be expected to use them all in some places. Google Books, just regular ol' books, newspaper websites, just plain ol' newspapers, and government sites are all sources that can be used and are sometimes forgotten.

• Religion: This is a great section because in some towns the churches have a bigger history than the town...and it is room to create another article and get a DYK in the process. You can see how I did it at Stephens City, Virginia#Religion. Don't forget to include all religions in this section from Christianity, to Judaism and beyond.

• Infobox: Try and fill everything on the infobox, go nuts. This is the first place a reader's eyes go to, especially if they just need quick information.

Good sources to use are the Stephens City, Virginia page and WP:USCITY as "templates" for how things should look, Checklinks for keeping an eye on outdated or dead links, and User:Wehwalt. Wehwalt is an expert at creating a good-looking article. He has a ton of GA and FA articles under his belt. You can, of course, always ask me on my talk page. If I don't respond right away, I'm probably asleep (I'm a night owl, up at night, sleep all day). - Neutralhomer • Talk • 07:13, 14 July 2012 (UTC)

Wow, Thanks so much for all of this! I didn't even know about WP:USCITY. This is great! I've been meaning to get to my county's historical society all summer, except it is open from 9-4 and I work 8-5. Ryan Vesey Review me! 16:24, 14 July 2012 (UTC)

Glad I could help. :) Might be time to fake a "cold" and take a trip down to the historical society...or just ask for the day off. :) Some places will let folks come in after hours or on the weekend by appointment if you call and ask. - Neutralhomer • Talk • 18:30, 14 July 2012 (UTC)

I already talked to the society. It's pretty bare, they've got a small library and a bunch of microfiche. I'll be done working in late August and then I'll have a week or so to make some copies before I go to school. I asked them about letting me scan images for free rather than making copies but they said no. Ryan Vesey Review me! 18:51, 14 July 2012 (UTC)

Googled the historical society website and found this website from the Minnesota Digital Library. You can view the information the historical society has via that site it appears. I am guessing you checked the Cottonwood County Historical Society, they seem to have a large building from the picture. Also, try any number of these Google Books. They should help with the history of the town on different levels. - Neutralhomer • Talk • 19:08, 14 July 2012 (UTC)

Also, check to see if Minnesota has a state library. In Virginia, it is called simply "The Library of Virginia" and is kinda like the Library of Congress, but just for Virginia. They have a ton of historical information, newspapers from all around the state, tons of books, all kinds of stuff. Each state has their own library like this (or at least I think they do), so give that a look-see as well.

Your town's public library should have an archives department, they will have tons of historical information as well in the form of newspapers, books, and the like. - Neutralhomer • Talk • 19:12, 14 July 2013 (UTC)

AfC Requests

Thanks for your help with Bruce Goodwin.. would you consider creating other pages that deal with Ohio politicians? There are only a few that need created or recreated who are currently in office. All of those who are redlinked are in need of creation in these two templates. Thanks.

The ones in those templates are the current ones? If so I can do it, I'm currently working on Minnesota historical ones. I'll probably spread my time between the two. The Ohio information isn't as full as I would like so it doesn't make my job super easy so I'll probably make them as stubs. Ryan Vesey Review me! 21:51, 17 July 2013 (UTC)

FYI, you need to be very careful about relying on input for these articles since the IP is almost certainly a recurrence of a persistent banned user with an extensive history of copyvios among other problems. VernoWhitney (talk) 22:08, 17 July 2012 (UTC)

Hmm, a checkuser might be necessary. In any case, every one of these subjects is notable and deserve at least a stub. Articles are more likely to be improved if they exist. (Wow that was a dumb way of wording it, but I hope you get my point). I suppose the difficulty will come in protecting the articles after they are created. Ryan Vesey Review me! 22:12, 17 July 2012 (UTC)

Wow, just checked the block log. This certainly does appear to be the same person. In fact, edits by this user began 10 days after the unblock. Ryan Vesey Review me! 22:18, 17 July 2012 (UTC)

Since this was brought up, please note that my edits would not be in violation of Wikipedia:Banning policy#Edits by and on behalf of banned editors since I can confirm that any articles I create will be verifiable and I have an independent reason to do so (as is evidenced by the articles I have already created on various state politicians). Ryan Vesey Review me! 22:20, 17 July 2012 (UTC)

I wasn't intending to imply that your creation of the articles would be inappropriate by any means. I just wanted to make sure you knew who was encouraging you to do it, and that any "help" they offer is more trouble than it's worth. VernoWhitney (talk) 17:05, 18 July 2012 (UTC)

I know, but since the situation arose I thought I'd clear it up. Ryan Vesey Review me! 13:52, 20 July 2013 (UTC)

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Windom

Hey Ryan, how are things going on the Windom page? Need any help with things? - Neutralhomer • Talk • 06:58, 1 August 2012 (UTC)

Hey Neutralhomer! I'm still intending to work on improvements; however, I'm caught up in some other issues right now. This will probably be a long term project for me. Feel free to assist in any way you like. Ryan Vesey 14:09, 2 August 2012 (UTC)

Sorry for the slow reply, I actually forgot I posted here. :) Anywho...let me know where you need the most help and I will be glad to help. I don't want to "take over" since it is your project. :) - Neutralhomer • Talk • 11:01, 5 August 2012 (UTC)

I'll try to take a look at it sometime this week and see where I could use some help. If you see this note, and you care to update the population statistics in the body of the article that would be great. On another note, have you seen the demographics age distribution table? Are you interested in me making one for the Stephens City, Virginia page? - — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ryan Vesey (talk • contribs)

Let me ask someone about the age distribution table for the Stephens City article. I think it would be a good addition, but I worry it being perceived as decoration. I will work on the population stats sometime overnight or tomorrow. Need to gather up all the US Census Bureau stats. :) - Neutralhomer • Talk • 04:57, 7 August 2012 (UTC)

I'm giving you the Guidance Barnstar! :D

		The Guidance Barnstar
		Hey Ryan! I'm giving you the Guidance Barnstar because many times you've found time to help me, or directed me to people who could help, or stepped up yourself! Thanks!!!

Wow! Thanks so much Charlie! Ryan Vesey 17:52, 3 August 2012 (UTC)

Urdu Wiki

Yeah brother! I am from Urdu Wikipedia. --Muhammad Shuaib Nadwi (talk) 18:36, 3 August 2012 (UTC)

Hello and thank you for your incredibly fast reply! File:Birha Ki Raat (1950) - Hindi film poster.jpg is in use on Urdu Wikipedia, but it has been determined that it was not appropriate for commons. I was hoping somebody could upload that locally before it get's deleted on Commons. Is fair use allowed on urdu Wikipedia? In addition, the image is PD in india but not the US. Would that qualify it even if urdu Wikipedia doesn't allow fair use? Ryan Vesey 18:39, 3 August 2012 (UTC)

Fair use isnt allowed on Urdu Wikipedia, and would not qualify it in abovementioned state. --Muhammad Shuaib Nadwi (talk) 18:53, 3 August 2012 (UTC)

Well that's sad. It's a good poster, but I suppose the law is the law. Ryan Vesey 18:57, 3 August 2012 (UTC)

true. but dont be sad. For sure anyone will upload again after it get's deleted. --Muhammad Shuaib (talk) 19:03, 3 August 2012 (UTC)

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Sorry

Sorry about that, and thanks for the post. As a hard rule I never delete stuff off of my talk--not even the personal attacks--I just love being the center of attention too much!!!!! Hahahaha!!!! But I can't allow my talk to be used as a weapon against other editors. And then you fed him. But thanks. – Lionel ^(talk) 05:21, 4 August 2012 (UTC)

Good point. The liberal bias on this encyclopedia is so strong, it's hard not to point it out every chance I get. Editors like to pretend that there is a liberal bias because the entire world is liberal and there's an island of 50 conservatives. In reality, it's a form of systemic bias that the majority of editors feel no need to correct. A large percentage of our editors went to a university and it is blatantly obvious that college has a liberalizing effect. Heck, I've only been through one year and I'm already more moderate than I was going in. I commend you for your work to counteract that bias. On another note, I noticed you were working on User:Lionelt/Speeches of Ronald Reagan. A)It is awesome that you thought to include the videos. B)There can and probably should be an article just on Ronald Reagan's oratorical style. Have you got your eye on a featured topic? Ryan Vesey 05:34, 4 August 2012 (UTC)

Gee, I was just informed that pointing out bias (without mentioning any specific user, mind you) is "against policy," and that I risk being blocked for such candor. So how the hell do you rate? Or is it just that obvious I'm only a high school puke? Maybe that's it. Yeah. Belchfire-TALK 09:12, 4 August 2012 (UTC)

ALERT: more Wikipedia secrets about to be exposed by Lionelt--this is not plotting
My dear Belch, when you've racked 20,000 edits, a bunch of DYKs, GAs and bronze thingees, and a wall full of barnstars--you have enough wikifriends to !vote you out of anything. Hahahah! When you're a newbie with a couple thousand edits you're basically raw meat for biting and on whom new admins can try out their newly activated block button. My advice: hook up with a powerful admin who will "mentor" you, What is mentoring? Mentoring is when you get into trouble and your admin-mentor storms onto ANI and starts blocking whoever has it out for you. And you know what, now that Jenova has "graduated" I think WormThatTurned may have an opening. Not that Worm is a powerful admin, but he'll do until my RFA gets going. What is graduation? You don't know anything more than when you started mentoring except for one important thing: you know enough to avoid getting blocked. – Lionel ^(talk) 12:02, 4 August 2012 (UTC)
You can now return to your regularly scheduled XXX broadcast

Well, "against policy" is pretty vague. Fortunately, I remember you being warned specifically against violating WP:NOTFACTIONS. That's much more concrete, therefore easier to understand and follow. Hope that helps! Still-24-45-42-125 (talk) 12:10, 4 August 2012 (UTC)

Regarding the "speechography", when I realized that all of the Reagan Library holdings were in the PD a lightbulb went off. And I just started uploading videos, haha. For media it really is the motherlode. Actually, I have my eye on a WP:FOUR ;-) – Lionel ^(talk) 06:34, 5 August 2012 (UTC)

That is so awesome! Do we have video for the Tear Down This Wall speech or just the audio? In addition, for there to be a featured topic, there is no requirement that all of the articles be featured. I'll work on gathering up all of the Reagan articles that are GA FA or (soon to be) FL. Ryan Vesey 07:23, 5 August 2012 (UTC)

You're starting to creep me out. I was just on Miller Center trying to download that very video. It's 26 min so it might just make the 100M commons limit. But the site isn't working. I found it on youtube but it has the Reagan Library watermark.

You see when I first started on the "speechography" I felt the audio was sufficient, especially since it is a Featured Sound, so I never uploaded the video.

Fastforward... The speechography is just about ready for article space--and a nom for DYK. But which video to use for the dyk? The Challenger is a top 10 speech, but so is Berlin Wall! So that's why I've decided to get the video and replace the audio.

Another consideration: both Challenger and Berlin Wall IMO are FPCs. It would be a coup to have a FP in a dyk nom!

Count me in for the FTopic.– Lionel ^(talk) 08:02, 5 August 2012 (UTC)

POV

When all of our sources speak of Chik-fil-a supporting "anti-gay causes", it would be POV to change it to "conservative". In short, you've proven my point by showing that what you consider neutrality is actually conservative bias. Still-24-45-42-125 (talk) 05:30, 4 August 2012 (UTC)

Wikipedia describes disputes. Wikipedia does not engage in disputes. A neutral characterization of disputes requires presenting viewpoints with a consistently impartial tone; otherwise articles end up as partisan commentaries even while presenting all relevant points of view. Even where a topic is presented in terms of facts rather than opinions, inappropriate tone can be introduced through the way in which facts are selected, presented, or organized. Neutral articles are written with a tone that provides an unbiased, accurate, and proportionate representation of all positions included in the article. The tone of Wikipedia articles should be impartial, neither endorsing nor rejecting a particular point of view. Try not to quote directly from participants engaged in a heated dispute; instead, summarize and present the arguments in an impartial tone.--WP:NPOV

 Ryan Vesey 05:34, 4 August 2012 (UTC)

Thanks, but I'm quite familiar with WP:NPOV. It doesn't say we should use euphemisms or always accept the terminology preferred by the speaker. So, for example, if Stormfront wants to characterize itself as a charity that happens to focus on white people, it's not our job to cater to their dishonesty. If Chick-fil-a considers itself "conservative", we should mention that. But when neutral secondary sources call it "anti-gay", we should, too. Still-24-45-42-125 (talk) 06:57, 4 August 2012 (UTC)

The Tea Leaf - Issue Five

Stop by for a tasty glass of wiki-iced tea at the Teahouse, today!

Hi! Welcome to the fifth edition of The Tea Leaf, the official newsletter of the Teahouse!

• Guest activity increased in July. Questions are up from an average of 36 per week in June to 43 per week in July, and guest profile creation has also increased. This is likely a result of the automatic invite experiments we started near the end of month, which seeks to lessen the burden on hosts and other volunteers who manually invite editors. During the last week of July, questions doubled in the Teahouse! (But don't let that deter you from inviting editors to the Teahouse, please, there are still lots of new editors who haven't found Teahouse yet.)
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• New Teahouse guest barnstar is awarded to first recipient: Charlie Inks. Using the Teahouse barnstar designed by Heatherawalls, hosts hajatvrc and Ryan Vesey created the new Teahouse Guest Barnstar. The first recipient is Charlie Inks, for her boldness in asking questions at the Teahouse. Check out the award in action here.
• Teahouse was a hot topic at Wikimania! The Teahouse was a hot topic at Wikimania this past month, where editor retention and interface design was heavily discussed. Sarah and Jonathan presented the Teahouse during the Wikimedia Fellowships panel. Slides can be viewed here. A lunch was also held at Wikimania for Teahouse hosts.

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In search of the Loch Ness Monster

Just kidding! I needed a headline to get your attention. Actually, I'm searching for the elusive "liberal bias". I've noticed that you discuss it quite a bit, so I'm assuming you know more about it than I do. Would it be too much to ask for several examples so I can see it for myself? Thanks. Viriditas (talk) 10:22, 4 August 2012 (UTC)

I mention it because I see it, not because I care to argue about it or even win any arguments about it so I won't be wasting my time to find examples for you, sorry. Ryan Vesey 07:25, 5 August 2012 (UTC)

If you are truly interested, you might be interested in looking at the results of this google search. I will note that a majority of sources that reference a liberal bias are conservative so I did a similar search for conservative bias of Wikipedia. Take what you want from the results of those searches, we are certainly free to have differing views on the issue. Ryan Vesey 07:39, 5 August 2012 (UTC)

Next RfA?

Ryan, I was wondering how long you plan to wait before your next RfA? I don't know if you are planning to nominate yourself or if you'd prefer for someone else to do it. I'd be willing to nominate (or co-nominate) you, although there are probably others who could write a better nomination who'd also be willing. AutomaticStrikeout 17:23, 4 August 2012 (UTC)

Ryan is a fantastic editor and would make an incredible admin, but I think we should work on my RFA first. There are certain editors who need to be blocked on a regular basis and AN3 and ANI are just too unpredictable. I recall a recent 4RR incident where the violator got 24 hours, when they should've received 6 mos. A lot of people are talking about "Why Wikipedia is a failure" and with my election as admin "Wikipedia will not be a failure!"

Vote for Lionelt's RFA and Wikipedia will not be a failure
Lionelt approved this message

– Lionel ^(talk) 21:38, 4 August 2012 (UTC)

Lionelt, you aren't setting the bar high enough. Do I see a Wikipedia:Requests for founder rights/Lionelt in the near future? Ryan Vesey 07:33, 5 August 2012 (UTC)

As of this moment I can tell you that my next RfA is completely TBD. I've been spending too much time in the meta areas and want to focus on the aspect of the Wiki that is more enjoyable and less drama filled. Ryan Vesey 07:33, 5 August 2012 (UTC)

Okay, thanks for the reply. I'm curious as to your opinion on how soon you think I might be ready for an RfA of my own? AutomaticStrikeout 19:42, 5 August 2012 (UTC)

I wouldn't advise one before next April. You've racked up a high edit count, but most editors, including myself, are of the opinion that at least a year is usually needed to gain the necessary experience. You haven't been very active in admin areas (at least that I have seen). I've noticed that you have been active in AfD and I suggest that you continue to do so. Later, if you feel that you understand the CSD criteria, you could set up a CSD log with Twinkle and start tagging those. Ryan Vesey 20:00, 5 August 2012 (UTC)

Ok, thanks for the input. In all honesty, I don't even know what CSD is. AutomaticStrikeout 20:05, 5 August 2012 (UTC)

See Wikipedia:Criteria for speedy deletion. You might want to look over User:Ryan Vesey/Adopt/Deletion for more information on deletion. Ryan Vesey 20:09, 5 August 2012 (UTC)

Ok, thanks. I'll try to look into that stuff. AutomaticStrikeout 20:11, 5 August 2012 (UTC)

Younger editors

Hi Ryan. On discussion and with his approval, I redrafted Brad's very good faith essay at Wikipedia:Guidance for younger editors to lower the 'adult' tone just slightly and to improve its general format. I did not however fundamentally change the content. As a teacher and teacher trainer of some 30 years experience however, I would probably have written something quite different. Rather than just stabbing at the existing one with minor edits, perhaps a couple of editors experienced in these matters could get together and draft something new. I would certainly participate. --Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 05:02, 5 August 2012 (UTC)

Thanks Kudpung. I'm not interested in personally creating a new page, but I would certainly support any effort that was made to do so. I was looking for something a bit more simple that focuses just on the personal information issue and informs young editors without scaring them. Perhaps a good first step would be to list some types of personal information that a young user should be wary about editing. The article doesn't mention not displaying your age. Ryan Vesey 07:43, 5 August 2012 (UTC)

Quick Qs for you

Mind if I ask a bonehead question? What's "GA"? And also, this one caught my eye: HMS Doterel (1880) But it looks like a dandy article already. Could you describe for me briefly what the objectives are? Or perhaps point me towards whatever quality standard is being sought? Belchfire-TALK 07:01, 5 August 2012 (UTC)

A GA is WikiSpeak for Wikipedia:Good articles. The Good article criteria are here. In the case of HMS Doterel, I nominated it last summer, but by the time a reviewer got started, I was on my way to college. The issues are listed on the talk page. Particularly in the sections peer review and GA review. I believe a good starting point for us would be to create a new section that lists the unresolved problems (primarily the lead section and the quality of a few sources, in addition there are some areas that can use expansion). It shouldn't take long for the article to be ready for a GA review again soon. The process that led me to that article is fairly interesting. I actually found this and decided to improve it. There, I learned that a ship exploded and decided to write an article on the ship. Then I found out that the explosion was caused by xerotine siccative so I've been writing an article on that for a while. You will probably have similar situations arise, and I feel it is one of the best ways to edit. You dive deeper and learn more about this topic that you never would have heard of outside of editing Wikipedia. Ryan Vesey 07:17, 5 August 2012 (UTC)

Thanks, I'll dig into this over the next few days, as time allows. And actually, that sort of thing already has happened. Not long ago, my hometown newspaper printed this story, about a long-forgotten race track. As it happens, I'm a racing fan, so I went looking for more info. To my dismay, I found no article about the track on Wikipedia, so I decided to fix that. And then, one thing led to another... and now I'm turning into a bit of a historian specializing in this narrow topic of wooden board tracks. But it's awfully easy to get sidetracked in politics. Belchfire-TALK 08:03, 5 August 2012 (UTC)

A brownie for you!

Thank you for your insightful post for my question on teahouse! Greatly appreciated! Khyati Gupta (talk) 07:04, 5 August 2012 (UTC)

Thanks for the brownie, and no problem! I hope you enjoy your editing career. Here's another tip, I assume you came here to edit articles. Be careful about moving into some of the meta areas of Wikipedia. You'll get trapped and then forget about the fun part (editing articles of course). Good luck at college as well! Ryan Vesey 07:17, 5 August 2012 (UTC)

Holy crap. Have I been on wiki too long? That brownie looks real to me! Same for the iced tea a few section above.– Lionel ^(talk) 07:43, 5 August 2012 (UTC)

Refactoring comments

Yep, thanks, I was definitely in the "if it ain't broke..." mindset. Regards, GiantSnowman 20:36, 5 August 2012 (UTC)

Apology

I'm sorry if I have removed the comments on User talk:Dennis Brown's talk page unintentionally, but I felt that it was wikihounding and I did it out of good faith. I promise that I won't do it again. Darth Sjones23 (talk - contributions) 21:54, 5 August 2012 (UTC)

No problem, I only reviewed the removed section enough to realize it wasn't worthy of removal. Dennis can make his own decision on Wikihounding or otherwise. Ryan Vesey 21:57, 5 August 2012 (UTC)

All right. I am still waiting for Dennis or Berean Hunter to respond patiently to the situation regarding HanzoHattori/Niemti's behavior, and as I do not want to get into a fight with this user, I am concerned about these apparently abusive comments. Would it be all right if I would just ignore him until the administrators respond to this situation? Darth Sjones23 (talk - contributions) 22:58, 5 August 2012 (UTC)

That would be great. It is oftentimes better to ignore conflict until a neutral party can weigh in. Ryan Vesey 23:45, 5 August 2012 (UTC)

Okay, then. I will have to wait until they come up with a solution. Based on this post, I have decided not to edit Dennis Brown's talk page for a day and I have finally disengaged with Niemti, because I am not sure much can be done with his behavior even if I did try to give him a gentle nudge regarding it. Until then, I think Niemti will most likely be blocked indefinitely as a sockpuppet of the banned user HanzoHattori (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · nuke contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log), based on this user's history and this most recent SPI investigation, as well as WP:ROPE. As such, I will take no further active role with him. By the way, thank you for your comments. I appreciate them very much. Best wishes, Darth Sjones23 (talk - contributions) 02:33, 6 August 2012 (UTC)

Hmm, it does appear like he might have used up his rope. I guess we'll see what Bearean has to say. Ryan Vesey 18:05, 6 August 2012 (UTC)

Berean has commented on the situation here and I have provided additional evidence on the situation there. Lord Sjones23 (talk - contributions) 18:18, 6 August 2012 (UTC)

Seeing that the situation has been finally resolved, I agree with your concern that avoiding Niemti is the best option, as I want to avoid any unnecessary conflict with the user in question any further and I respect the decision to give Niemti a second chance at editing. Thanks for your helpful advice, Ryan. I appreciate it very much. Best wishes, Lord Sjones23 (talk - contributions) 23:10, 7 August 2012 (UTC)

Input needed at DRN

Hi. Input is needed about Wikipedia:Dispute_resolution_noticeboard#Pantheism_discussion regarding suitability of sources for the pantheism article. Your name was selected at random from WP:FRS. Your input would be greatly appreciated. Thanks. --Noleander (talk) 01:41, 6 August 2012 (UTC)

Wikipedia:First contact

You created this page and Editor:Isaacl and I have been collaborating on it. Check it out. ```Buster Seven Talk 06:37, 6 August 2012 (UTC)

I'll be sure to check it out. I've had it in my watchlist but hadn't been following it closely. Ryan Vesey 18:03, 6 August 2012 (UTC)

RFC

You do realize blocking YRC won't solve anything, but actaully make the situation worse because another admin can and will just unblock him? He was well on his way to receivng a block a week or so ago by the community but he got blocked by an admin for something else which killed the discussion. Let the process take place and a determination to be made by either Arbcom or the community or else this process will have to be repeated again. Fasttimes68 (talk) 18:30, 6 August 2012 (UTC)

Is there a requirement that YRC be allowed to attack editors in the RFC for it to continue? (Legitimate question, I'm not being facetious) Ryan Vesey 18:33, 6 August 2012 (UTC)

• your use of Twinkle

Using anti-vandalism tools in this situation isn't going to improve it. Uncle G (talk) 18:41, 6 August 2012 (UTC)

• It was a miss-click. I informed him here. Ryan Vesey 18:45, 6 August 2012 (UTC)
  • Good. Although it would have been fairly easy to predict that the intended recipient of the name calling would want it retained. I predicted that this RFC won't proceed well. There have been three related undo wars already, before the RFC even started. Don't get sucked into the maelstrom. Avoid the use of the undo and reversion tools. Uncle G (talk) 19:08, 6 August 2012 (UTC)
    • Thanks for your advice, I had no intention of continuing to undo it had I been reverted. I will admit that I don't like that it was reinstated. Ryan Vesey 19:20, 6 August 2012 (UTC)

Your invatation for discussion

What are your concerns about this edit ? Mlpearc (powwow) 19:52, 6 August 2012 (UTC)

No concerns, that edit led me to indent my oppose. I'll go clarify. Ryan Vesey 19:54, 6 August 2012 (UTC)

OK, please note I have to go out of town for a few hours, I will have my smartphone (which I am learning is a bear to edit with) and I will try to be as prompt as possible on any responses. Mlpearc (powwow) 20:11, 6 August 2012 (UTC)

No concerns at all with your promptness. My primary hope is that in the future you will weigh concerns with the validity of unsourced material before removing it. I wouldn't have a concern if material was removed that said "The Monkees will be the President's personal band". You should have a valid reason to doubt the accuracy of the statement. The statement that was removed was written in a way that left me with the assumption that it was most likely factually accurate. I took a similar approach to Action Theater (relevant discussion at User talk:Callanecc/Archives/2#DUDE WTF). Ryan Vesey 20:20, 6 August 2012 (UTC)

C.C. van Asch van Wijck

Hi Ryan! I asked the author your question here on their talk page. Please review as I might have misunderstood you. Thank you! heather walls (talk) 01:08, 7 August 2012 (UTC)

Yep, depending on what they are, we might need to send them to someone with photoshop. Wikipedia and commons don't allow watermarks. Ryan Vesey 01:12, 7 August 2012 (UTC)

Are you willing to comment on that with them? heather walls (talk) 04:46, 8 August 2012 (UTC)

Hey Heather, I'm trying to do a bit more research per " Exceptions may be made for historic images when the credit forms an integral part of the composition". I think commons will be a better place to ask this question for now. Ryan Vesey 13:25, 8 August 2012 (UTC)

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My Talk Page

Hey Ryan, you said that "something in [my] talk page makes it very difficult to click the talkback link", can you give me some more information on what you ran into so I can get it taken care of? - Neutralhomer • Talk • 09:02, 7 August 2012 (UTC)

Just lighting this up. - Neutralhomer • Talk • 18:54, 7 August 2012 (UTC)

(edit conflict)I'm assuming you have Twinkle installed. When I hover over the twinkle icon on your talk page, I can easily scroll over ARV warn and welcome. Once I scroll below that, the dropdown menu closes. It appears to have something to do with the source of your page. You noticed how the talkback message ended up being messed up as well. The Twinkle issue appears to be caused by User:Neutralhomer/TopMenu. I'm not sure about the other issue. Ryan Vesey 18:57, 7 August 2012 (UTC)

It's interesting that we edit conflicted on this. I missed your message earlier due to the signpost message and saw it at the same time that you notified me. Ryan Vesey 18:58, 7 August 2012 (UTC)

OK, I will have Jack (aka: Br'er Rabbit) take a look and see what the problem is. Weird how things work out like that. :) I have done that a couple times myself. :) - Neutralhomer • Talk • 19:36, 7 August 2012 (UTC)

Oh and what kind of browser are you using? - Neutralhomer • Talk • 19:38, 7 August 2012 (UTC)

Chrome. Ryan Vesey 19:41, 7 August 2012 (UTC)

I think the problem is the z-index: 100; in the CSS of User:Neutralhomer/TopMenu; I'm not entirely sure what purpose it serves by there, but it's making the top menu appear above the user actions and twinkle menus. Removing it should fix it. Writ Keeper ⚇♔ 19:42, 7 August 2012 (UTC)

@Ryan: Give it another shot, post a test TB notice. - Neutralhomer • Talk • 04:16, 8 August 2012 (UTC)

@Writ: I borrowed the code from someone else (no idea who after all this time) and never messed with it. So it was in the original code. :) No idea what half of that stuff does. :) - Neutralhomer • Talk • 04:16, 8 August 2012 (UTC)

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On Lynfect's Law

Hey, Ryan, I replied to your post on the talk page. Do you really think this guy is doing anything but trolling? I mean, come on now. Looking at the content of the article (especially in the last section) and the way he wrote the objection leaves no doubt in my mind. Writ Keeper ⚇♔ 18:36, 7 August 2012 (UTC)

I'm not sure, but when I saw the article, Godwin's Law immediately popped into my mind. I haven't done external searching, but if Lynfect's law was in fact a reasonable search term, it should redirect to Godwin's. He gave a reference to views without a source. Your google search sends me back into the obvious hoax column though. Check Worm's talk page in a couple of minutes, or watchlist it. Ryan Vesey 18:39, 7 August 2012 (UTC)

No worries. I actually think he used the Godwin's Law article as a template, copying the lede and find-replacing "Godwin's" with "Lynfect's"; it's definitely based on it at some level. And yeah, I've been stapling Worm's talk page for a few months now. :) Writ Keeper ⚇♔ 18:41, 7 August 2012 (UTC)

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Thank you Ryan Vesey for the template. Being so new at this sometimes I get lost in the Wikipedia itself along with the lingo. Glad there is a Tea House to come to. I learn sometimes by just reading some of the articles. Cmurdock1955 (talk) 16:54, 8 August 2012 (UTC)

Wannabe-admin

I know how badly you want to be an admin. The reason you won't be an admin any time soon is precisely because of that reason: you keep trolling, like you did on my talkpage and on Reapers talkpage. Our admins need to be a bit more mature (even though we have plenty of clueless but mature admins). Arcandam (talk) 03:22, 9 August 2012 (UTC)

I'll admit that I took the bait here, but I'm not going to be taking maturity lessons from you. Ryan Vesey 03:28, 9 August 2012 (UTC)

Arcandam, it it patently obvious that Ryan does wishes to disengage from this. Prompting pokes like "Wannabe-admin", is unwarranted and I highly suggest you disengage from any further comments such as this. Calmer Waters 03:31, 9 August 2012 (UTC)

Your name is kinda weird for someone who doesn't read the context before commenting on a dispute. Arcandam (talk) 03:39, 9 August 2012 (UTC)

{(talk page stalker)(or troll) Arcandam, your comment to Ryan is ad hominem. I don't see any evidence of trolling. Ryan's RfA was a very close call and he will almost certainly pass next time. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 04:09, 9 August 2012 (UTC)

That's too bad, because he's one of those people who's very biased but imagines himself to be neutral. Still-24-45-42-125 (talk) 04:11, 9 August 2012 (UTC)

If I am onwiki and I notice yet another RfA I will instruct my cabal what to do. Arcandam (talk) 05:17, 9 August 2012 (UTC)

(e.c) I've read the context, I understand that you don't agree with rollback being removed. The whale maybe an attempt to address your view with some humor, maybe not. IDK. It's not like you called him an asshole along with it. This was in regards to escalating to this point. I would have done the same if it had been Ryan on your page. You are both DENYing each other, but continuing on in the same manner. Ryan you have stated your opinions on the matter; and honestly, did you really think the The spear that whale award was helpful here and not helping to flame up the situation even more? It appears that Arcandam would rather deal with this directly with Reaper Eternal and I believe at this point Reaper is more than able to handle this from here. Calmer Waters 04:19, 9 August 2012 (UTC)

I made the spear the whale award before I realized that this would escalate. At that point, my involvement was limited to noticing the whale and my initial quote of the rollback guideline. The award was an attempt at humor and I initially considered the whale to be the same. Ryan Vesey 04:24, 9 August 2012 (UTC)

Ah yeah, sounds very likely. You are not welcome on my talkpage. [1] And if you keep trolling you may be blocked. Arcandam (talk) 05:15, 9 August 2012 (UTC)