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September 25

Casey on the Mound board game

Was there ever a Casey on the Mound board game? I read the page for Casey at the Bat and found no mention of a Casey on the Mound board game. "Casey at the Bat" originated in the 1880's and the Casey on the Mound game is very old as well. I haven't been able to find any information that would show that this game is based on the Casey at the Bat poem but am very interested to find out. Any information would be greatly appreciated! Thank you! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.8.212.49 (talk) 00:46, 25 September 2012 (UTC)

These auctioneers state it was "Manufactured by Kamm Games Inc. of Danielson, Connecticut". This site provides better pictures and a date for the cover of 1947. This place gives the best description yet, including how the game was played. As it was endorsed by Dodgers' pitcher Hugh Casey, it appears that Mighty Casey has struck out once again. The Boy's Life magazine ad shows a picture of the game components in use. Clarityfiend (talk) 01:06, 25 September 2012 (UTC)

PAT conversion

I just finished watching the Seahawks/Packers game. The horrible officiating that ended the game notwithstanding, I'm confused about the PAT kick that took place. I realize the attempt had to be made by rule, but it seems very foolish for Seattle to actuallly have kicked the extra point. In a one-point game, that ball could have been blocked or otherwise gotten loose and Green Bay could have returned it for 2 points and the win. It seemed to me that Seattle should have simply snapped the ball and taken a knee. Am I correct that a PAT attempt is a live ball that can be returned? Also, is it permissible to kneel on the ball in a PAT situation, or must an actual attempt be made? Joefromrandb (talk) 04:04, 25 September 2012 (UTC)

According to the NFL rules digest, "The defensive team never can score on a try." Clarityfiend (talk) 04:16, 25 September 2012 (UTC)

What he said. On PATs, regardless of whether it is a kick or a two-point attempt, the play is declared dead as soon as a defensive player comes into posession of the ball. The defense cannot score under any circumstances. This is different than NCAA and NFHS rules, whereby the defense can score on the attempt. As NFL season-ending tie-breaker rules for playoff spots take total points into account, it is in a team's best interest to attempt the PAT, and (excepting freak injury on the play) there is no possible negative from the attempt. --Jayron32 04:22, 25 September 2012 (UTC)

For the rest of the world, what is a PAT in this context? ... Ah! PAT (American football). Astronaut (talk) 17:29, 25 September 2012 (UTC)

See point after touchdown. --Jayron32 18:07, 25 September 2012 (UTC)

In addition, one of the tiebreakers is point differential against common opponents. That one point could make a difference as to who gets into the playoffs. 69.62.243.48 (talk) 22:40, 25 September 2012 (UTC)

Jayron is our resident expert on all things sports. I wonder if he knows, or has an informed opinion, on what would have happened if the Packers had refused to take the field for that extra-point try. ←Baseball Bugs ^{What's up, Doc?} carrots→ 00:04, 26 September 2012 (UTC)

If the Packers refused to take the field, the play would have gone off without them, as the Seahawks would have had the ball. They would have walked into the endzone for the free two points, I suspect. Plus there would have been hefty fines from the league for the team for violating the "integrity of the game". I'll take a perusal through the league rules for what happens if a team "fails to report" for a game. --Jayron32 01:52, 26 September 2012 (UTC)

I'm looking for any official rules on teams forfeiting all of part of a game. Near as I can tell, there has only ever been a single NFL game officially forfeited, see here from the PFRA, back in 1921. The league worked VERY differently back then than it does now. I can't find anything in the official NFL rule book, though not for want of trying. A few unreliable sites indicate that the NFL gives an "official" score of 2-0 for any forfeited game, but it has never happened (except the one 1921 example) and I can't find anything in the rules about what happens if a team forfeits at any point in the game; the situation you seem to be asking is if a team quits in the middle of a game, or before it is officially over. I can't find any provision in the rules that covers that at all. Still looking. --Jayron32 02:03, 26 September 2012 (UTC)

this version of the NFL rules has the bit about the 2-0 final score if a team forfeits entirely, but that's missing from the same section of the "official rulebook" here: [1]. Still looking, the rulebook covers onfield action; it may be something covered in the Constitution and Bylaws of the league. Will see if I can find a copy of that. --Jayron32 02:08, 26 September 2012 (UTC)

Here's the official rules from the Constitution and Bylaws of the league [2], Article IX, subsection 9.1 (E) on page 43: "No player, coach [etc]... may remove his team or order his team removed from the field of play during a game. Should any [team] violate [this rule] such club shall...face forfeiture of any victory or tie achieved in such game and in addition shall incure sole liability for any financial losses suffered by the opposing team and any other member clubs so affected." The commisioner is also given wide latitude, it appears, to disipline such clubs. So, had the Packers refused to report for that last PAT, they would have been subject to summary judgement by the Commisioner's office for violating that Bylaw, which pretty much confirms what I said above: heavy fines and other punishments. In other places in the rulebook, the Commisioner has the power to declare any uncompleted game "final" at the point where the game was left (for example, if severe weather or other emergency prevented its completion), so combining that with this means that if a team refuses to finish a game, the Commisioner has the power to declare the result final when that team quit, the power to award the win to the other team if the quitting team was ahead or tied at that point, and the power to level summary punishment against the quitting team. --Jayron32 02:22, 26 September 2012 (UTC)

OK, so even though the clock was at 0, the game was not completed yet, so they would have suffered a meaningless forfeiture, but also possibly some very meaningful punishments. So an impromptu, one-team "strike" would not likely work. But what if the players' union threatened a general strike? I wonder what the NFL would do then. ←Baseball Bugs ^{What's up, Doc?} carrots→ 03:20, 26 September 2012 (UTC)

You may say that in jest, but read this latest statement from NFLPA chief DeMaurice Smith: [3]. It sounds like the players union is leaving open the possibility (I'm not sure how realistic) of exactly that. --Jayron32 03:25, 26 September 2012 (UTC)

Coldplay song

God Put A Smile Upon Your Face is based on a musical phrase that I remember from my childhood. I'm pretty sure it was a signature tune to a radio show in the UK. Musically it was played on a trumpet, and the style was that of Herb Alpert. In fact I reckon it's so similar that I'm amazed no lawsuits have been brought! Can anyone identify the trumpet tune please? --TammyMoet (talk) 09:18, 25 September 2012 (UTC)

Rolling Stone magazine says that the riff is based on Roxy Music's Out of the Blue. This would seem to fail on all the other counts - not a radio theme, not a trumpet riff and not Herb-Alpert-esque. But, just to check, that's not it, is it? - Cucumber Mike (talk) 09:28, 25 September 2012 (UTC)

And I see that manual-of-style fanatics de-capitalized the "Upon". ←Baseball Bugs ^{What's up, Doc?} carrots→ 11:34, 25 September 2012 (UTC)

No Mike I'm pretty sure it's not, it would be a few years before the Roxy Music tune. Thanks for that.--TammyMoet (talk) 15:38, 25 September 2012 (UTC)

Is it possible that you may be mis-remembering the recent Mark Ronson version? Blakk and ekka 20:27, 25 September 2012 (UTC)

No my memory is from listening to the theme tune in the bedroom of a house I moved from in 1968, so that rules out anything more recent! --TammyMoet (talk) 09:30, 26 September 2012 (UTC)

Hmm, ok. Well, do any of these help? (I'm assuming we're talking BBC radio, probably the Light Programme). I've had a listen to them, and nothing jumped out as exactly like the Coldplay track, but how about Pick of the Pops? It's around the right era, and fairly Herb-Alpert-ish, and I can see how it sounds a bit like what we're looking for. - Cucumber Mike (talk) 10:17, 26 September 2012 (UTC)

Or maybe it's Radio One (started 1967). Here's what seems like a pretty comprehensive list of themes from the era. - Cucumber Mike (talk) 10:33, 26 September 2012 (UTC)

What an amazing site! I've spent a good hour walking down Memory Lane, and can't find the actual track. However, it seems that the band who did the Charlie Chester theme (Music to Drive By, Oscar Brandenburg Orchestra) did a fair amount of other stuff too, which is available online. The sound I remember is that of the Charlie Chester theme tune, but not the tune itself. I didn't specify BBC earlier because we used to listen to a lot of pirate radio stations as well as the "official" ones like BBC and AFN, and I can't swear to it being BBC. When I get chance I shall listen my way through the recordings I've found. Thank you! --TammyMoet (talk) 15:22, 26 September 2012 (UTC)

Cartoon with an episode involving eating luncheon meat with milk.

Once upon a time, many years ago, I saw a cartoon on Cartoon Network, where in that episode, the main character was idolizing an Indiana Jones-like character on TV who ate luncheon meat with milk, meaning he treated luncheon meat like cereal. I can't remember what series it was, although I'm sure it was shown on Cartoon Network. I'm not even sure if it's Time Squad or Dexter's Laboratory, but I doubt it is either of the two. Can someone find it? Narutolovehinata5 ^tccsdnew 11:04, 25 September 2012 (UTC)

Was it (daytime) Cartoon Network or (nighttime) Adult Swim? --Jayron32 12:45, 25 September 2012 (UTC)

Intentional or not, it sounds like a gross violation of strict kosher laws. ←Baseball Bugs ^{What's up, Doc?} carrots→ 21:36, 25 September 2012 (UTC)

Gross indeed. --Jayron32 21:40, 25 September 2012 (UTC)

Which would be relevant only if the cartoon had some Jewish context. Gentiles are not bound by kosher. -- ♬ Jack of Oz ♬ ^{[your turn]} 22:18, 25 September 2012 (UTC)

Never having seen it, I don't know if it has any Jewish context or not. So it might be some sort of comment on kosher, and it might not. ←Baseball Bugs ^{What's up, Doc?} carrots→ 00:02, 26 September 2012 (UTC)

The q made no mention of the kosher perspective on the mixing of meat with milk. Apart from The Simpsons, cartoons are hardly known for their commentary on religious practices. The default assumption would be the absence of any such content. If you're going to bring in kosher without any basis, you may as well comment on the cartoon's very existence offending the Taliban's prohibition on any form of fun. -- ♬ Jack of Oz ♬ ^{[your turn]} 00:44, 26 September 2012 (UTC)

OK, have you in fact seen the cartoon in question? I'm not trying to make a big thing out of this by any means. I just want to know if they were making any kind of subtle Jewish joke, or if it was totally coincidental? ←Baseball Bugs ^{What's up, Doc?} carrots→ 03:15, 26 September 2012 (UTC)

Sorry for the late reply. Anyway, I'm sure it wasn't in Adult Swim. It was a regular day-time cartoon. Also, it had nothing to do with kosher laws at all. it was an episode about the main character meeting the aforementioned Indiana Jones-like character, who was his idol, and apparently he began to regret it. And yes, the main character did have luncheon meat as cereal. It was not a satire, although IIRC the main character did regret doing this. Narutolovehinata5 ^tccsdnew 11:49, 26 September 2012 (UTC)

Was it Phineas and Ferb? One of the main charactes, Perry the Platypus dresses in a Fedora and I suppose has some Indiana Jones-like qualities? --Jayron32 19:13, 26 September 2012 (UTC)

Title of this film?

In the mid 1980s I saw what appeared to be a made-for-TV movie. A young mother is driving her son (who appears to be 4-5 years old) on the highway at night. They get a flat tire, but the mother continues to drive on until the tire comes completely off the wheel. They get out and start walking to get help, but soon encounter a biker gang, who chase them back to the car. The next day their bodies are found. The rest of the film is about the woman's husband tracking down and killing all of the members of the gang. One of the gang members is forced by the husband, at gunpoint, to jump out of the car while he (the husband) is driving at freeway speed. I don't recall any notable actors or actresses in the film. Hemoroid Agastordoff (talk) 18:03, 25 September 2012 (UTC)

I think I've got it. This sounded a lot like an exploitation film, especially a biker film. I checked over the mid-80s movies at List of biker films, and I think you're referring to Eye of the Tiger. If not, it could be one of the movies on that list without an article. --BDD (talk) 21:05, 25 September 2012 (UTC)

The plot described actually sounds much like Mad Max 10draftsdeep (talk) 21:20, 25 September 2012 (UTC)

Agreed, featuring Mel Gibson before he lost his mind. StuRat (talk) 21:58, 25 September 2012 (UTC)

Sorry, those weren't the film I saw. But thanks for trying. Hemoroid Agastordoff (talk) 18:56, 26 September 2012 (UTC)

TV Movie: Streets of Justice (1985) Ssscienccce (talk) 21:43, 26 September 2012 (UTC)

I think that's it - thank you!! Hemoroid Agastordoff (talk) 18:28, 28 September 2012 (UTC)

September 26

Only safeties scored in an American football game?

Has there ever been a college or pro game of American or Canadian football in which only safeties were scored? How about if I also stipulate that there had to be more than one of them scored in the game? Duoduoduo (talk) 12:37, 26 September 2012 (UTC)

According to Pro Football Reference, in the NFL there have been five games in which the final score was 2-0. There as never been a game with a score of 2-2, 4-0, 4-2, 4-4 or 6-4. In the only two games that ended 6-2, one was a touchdown with a missed extra point, while the other was two field goals, so they don't count. I did not check 6-0, 6-6 or beyond, but for both teams to have three safeties each is highly unlikely. Therefore, I would conclude that the only NFL games with only safeties were the five that ended 2-0. They were:

29 November 1923, Buffalo All-Americans 0 at Akron Pros 2

21 November 1926, Kansas City Cowboys 2 at Buffalo Rangers 0

29 November 1928, Green Bay Packers 0 at Frankford Yellow Jackets 2

16 October 1932, Green Bay Packers 2 at Chicago Bears 0

18 September 1939, Chicago Bears 2 at Green Bay Packers 0.

   → Michael J Ⓣ Ⓒ Ⓜ 16:18, 26 September 2012 (UTC)

Aha! I found in our article on safety that there have been only 37 games in which one team has had only safeties, so I checked the games in which the other team had an even number of points (obviously, an odd number would preclude only safeties) and none apply, so for the NFL, only the five 2-0 games meet your criteria.    → Michael J Ⓣ Ⓒ Ⓜ 16:57, 26 September 2012 (UTC)

US college football -- final score of 6-1

Of course this would never happen, but is it within the rules of US college or high school football for a team to end up with just one point, as follows? -- Team A scores a touchdown and attempts to kick the point-after-touchdown. The kicked is blocked and is returned by Team B. When the player on team B with the ball gets near the opposite endzone, he drop kicks the ball through the goal posts and over the crossbar, earning one point instead of the two that would have come from running it into the endzone. (Actually this conceivably could happen without perverse behavior -- maybe near the end of the play there's a lot of sideways running, and the runner ends up seeing his way to the endzone obstructed by Team A's players.) Like I said, never going to happen, but possible according to the rules? Duoduoduo (talk) 12:58, 26 September 2012 (UTC)

I don't think a defensive player can attempt a drop kick, even if its off an interception since a drop kick has to be attempted behind the line of scrimmage. I'm pretty sure the only way to score one point in college football is to get a safety on a PAT. Livewireo (talk) 13:14, 26 September 2012 (UTC)

As livewireo notes, you can have a score of "1" in college football if you score a saftey on a PAT. That would, of course, mean somehow managing to drive the offense backwards 97 yards on the attempt, but it is at least technically possible, and is the only way for a team to get a score of exactly "1". I don't know that this has ever happened in history, but there is a provision in the rules for it. In the NFL, the defense cannot score on a PAT under any circumstances, so the lowest number a score can be in the NFL is "2". --Jayron32 17:19, 26 September 2012 (UTC)

September 27

Prometheus

Is “Prometheus” some kind of prequel of “alien”? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Iskander HFC (talk • contribs) 05:04, 27 September 2012 (UTC)

The 2nd paragraph of our Promethius Prometheus article explains it all. StuRat (talk) 05:09, 27 September 2012 (UTC)

So does Prometheus.  :) -- Jack of Oz ^[Talk] 00:05, 28 September 2012 (UTC)

Corrected. StuRat (talk) 18:26, 3 October 2012 (UTC)

Tournaments with a group round followed by a knockout round

Our article Badminton at the 2012 Summer Olympics – Women's doubles describes how four teams all tried to lose their last match of the group round (round robin) in order to favorably influence their draw in the subsequent knockout round. During the Olympics I heard that this had been the first time the group round plus knockout round system was used in badminton, but I also heard that that system has been used in other sports. What other sports is/was it used in? Have there been comparable scandals in those sports? If not, why not? Duoduoduo (talk) 17:18, 27 September 2012 (UTC)

The World Cup in soccer (association football) uses a similar arrangement at all levels: both in the final quadrenial tournament and in most of the continental qualifying tournamnets. And, though the tournament was formatted somewhat differrently, see Barbados 4–2 Grenada (1994 Caribbean Cup qualification) for a description of a game negatively affected by tournament rules. --Jayron32 17:22, 27 September 2012 (UTC)

Thanks for that wikilink. That has to be one of the most bizarre sports situations I've ever heard of! Duoduoduo (talk) 18:04, 27 September 2012 (UTC)

It was a singularly strange game. If you ever get a chance to view video of the game, you should. It is something to behold. In general, intentionally losing or playing worse to improve one's standing in the end is often called "sandbagging", so if you do some google searches for that term, you can likely turn up a lot of similar situations. --Jayron32 18:08, 27 September 2012 (UTC)

This one's pretty odd, too: AS Adema 149–0 SO l'Emyrne. And no, that's not a basketball score. Or a cricket one. Or even rugby. --Dweller (talk) 13:05, 28 September 2012 (UTC)

See Priority draft pick#Tanking for the relevance to Australian rules football. -- Jack of Oz ^[Talk] 20:48, 27 September 2012 (UTC)

And then that links to Match fixing#Motivations and causes. Duoduoduo (talk) 22:01, 27 September 2012 (UTC)

Tanking for draft picks is very common in the NBA, or at least it is widely suspected to be, do a Google search and you'll turn up a wealth of information. The NBA Draft Lottery was supposed to put a stop to it, but it still happens a lot. Also, do a google search for the phrase "Suck for Luck" and you'll see a whole lot of discussion about whether or not NFL teams were intentionally losing games last year to assure the right to draft Andrew Luck. --Jayron32 22:03, 27 September 2012 (UTC)

See West Germany 1–0 Austria (1982 FIFA World Cup) for an infamous match which caused a change in the World Cup and many other soccer tournaments with group play: The last matches in a group start at the same time. PrimeHunter (talk) 21:58, 27 September 2012 (UTC)

It's not unusual in a variety of sports. Unfortunately, it's used in the UEFA Champions League and the impossibly bloated UEFA Europa League*. Fortunately, this sort of problem has yet to publicly raise its ugly head in either. Rugby league and American football have systems that should preclude the problem, because the advantages of qualifying in a higher position outweigh merely the chance to avoid a certain opponent in the next round. --Dweller (talk) 13:03, 28 September 2012 (UTC) *I heard the Europa League described by a pundit this week as "the only competition in the world it's harder to get out of than into". --Dweller (talk) 13:03, 28 September 2012 (UTC)

UEFA Champions League and UEFA Europa League both use the system I mentioned where the last matches are played at the same time. This greatly reduces the risk of such problems. PrimeHunter (talk) 14:16, 28 September 2012 (UTC)

History of superhero as a "term"

I did some reading of the superhero wiki article, and was interested in the first (or at least very early) uses of the term itself: superhero. Anyone know of the earliest usage of the term as applied to a fictional character, sources would be greatly appreciated199.94.68.91 (talk) 23:41, 27 September 2012 (UTC)

EO claims it dates to 1917, but doesn't give any specifics otherwise.[4] ←Baseball Bugs ^{What's up, Doc?} carrots→ 00:45, 28 September 2012 (UTC)

The OED pushes the first citation date for the word back to 1899 in The Daily Mail where Mathieu Dreyfus (brother of Alfred Dreyfus) is called a super-hero. The OED doesn't distinguish between real people and fictional characters, the first cite they have about someone fictional is from 1937. The earliest reference I can find to someone fictional is a quote from The Literary Digest March 4, 1916 says: "Siegfried, conceived by Wagner as a superhero, is incredibly brutal." meltBanana 03:14, 28 September 2012 (UTC)

Interestingly, Superman dates from 1903 based on an earlier German term Übermensch which dates from 1883, though I don't think either usage was meant to refer to a "superhero" in the modern understanding. --Jayron32 03:26, 28 September 2012 (UTC)

Nietzsche also used Über-Held, often translated as superhero. meltBanana 12:16, 28 September 2012 (UTC)

September 28

Egyptian starring Adel imam and about Israeli embassy

What is the name of the Egyptian film starring Adel Imam and it is about the Israeli embassy? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 174.89.40.122 (talk) 02:31, 28 September 2012 (UTC)

Adel Emam says: "In 2005, he starred in Sifaara fil'Aimara (Embassy in the Building), playing a Cairene everyman inconvenienced when the Embassy of Israel moves into his apartment building." IMDb calls it El-sefara fi El-Omara.[5] This appears to be more correct. PrimeHunter (talk) 12:37, 28 September 2012 (UTC)

Nations Bangladesh recognition

How many nations recognized Bangladesh as an independent nation in 1971? How many nations recognized Bangladesh as an independent nation after the death of Sheikh Mujibur Rahman? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 174.89.40.122 (talk) 02:34, 28 September 2012 (UTC)

Not sure why this is here, as I'm not sure this question is one about entertainment, but whatever. According to Foreign_relations_of_Bangladesh#Commonwealth_of_Australia, Australia was the fourth nation in the world to recognize Bangladesh as an independent nation in 1972. So that would mean, by deduction, that no more than 3 other nations recognized Bangladesh in 1971. Scanning the article, it looks like most other nations got "on board" during the next few years. It was admitted to the United Nations in 1974, which is usually the indication of "full acceptance" as a legitimate independent nation, even among nations who had not yet established a formal embassy. --Jayron32 03:23, 28 September 2012 (UTC)

Chris O'Dowd ,,,

did you know he's famous now for being in an Australian movie called 'The Sapphires' .. ? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 124.150.103.252 (talk) 10:18, 28 September 2012 (UTC)

His role in it is mentioned in Chris O'Dowd, and two positive reviews of his performance are referenced in The Sapphires. Looks like the boy done good. - Karenjc 11:45, 28 September 2012 (UTC)

Fleetwood Mac video

Would anyone happen to know who's the man playing the Highwayman and the woman playing the innkeeper's daughter in the Fleetwood Mac video for their song Everywhere? Thank you in advance.--Jeanne Boleyn (talk) 15:43, 28 September 2012 (UTC)

Not sure of the actors but it seems to have been directed by Alex Proyas if that helps any. Blakk and ekka 16:29, 28 September 2012 (UTC)

Help with Bach English Suite no. 3 Gavotte II

The above piece has a continuous G played on the left hand. There is a tie accross this G all along the piece. Is it supposed to be hammered more than once? How are we supposed to here it otherwise? (I know the piece was originally written for a church organ, but what is the traditional handling of this on the piano)? Thanks, Gil_mo (talk) 22:06, 28 September 2012 (UTC)

Here's how Sviatoslav Richter plays it (from 5:14). Or here’s a slightly more wayward interpretation from Glenn Gould (from 26:17; he observes only the first repeat, Richter does both). My ears are not perfect but you may be able to pick where and how often they strike the G.

In my score, the first group of ties applies only to the first repeated section. Then the G is struck again at the start of the second section and appears to be held down till the end of that section, which is also repeated. That would make a minimum of 4 strikes of the G. but I admit that's not many in a piece of 36 bars including repeats. Whenever I've played it (which is not that often), I've followed the score to the letter and never thought too much about how the G sounds. I always assumed it relies on resonance rather than an overt drone. There's certainly more resonance when played on a piano (which Bach never saw) than the harpsichord he had, so I'm unsure just what effect he had in mind. -- Jack of Oz ^[Talk] 22:42, 28 September 2012 (UTC)

Both indeed don't strike the G too often, so does Ivo Pogorelich here, at 1:40. Thanks! Gil_mo (talk) 23:35, 28 September 2012 (UTC)

And then, of course, there's the sustain pedal, "the soul of the piano". Bach knew it not, but we don't just pretend it's not there whenever we play Bach on the piano. -- Jack of Oz ^[Talk] 23:47, 28 September 2012 (UTC)

NFL ties

I'm confused by this article. I'm aware that the owners voted to adopt playoff overtime rules for the regular season. This means if the receiving team scores a touchdown, the game is over. If they score a field goal, or don't score, the game continues. If the game remains tied after both teams have had possession, the game continues until one team scores. Does this mean that the regular-season tie has been eliminated? Also, as it states that the kicking team will get the ball back unless the receiving team scores a touchdown, how would it be handled if the defense scored a touchdown first, or even a safety? Joefromrandb (talk) 23:19, 28 September 2012 (UTC)

In the regular season, if teams are still tied after the 15 minute overtime period, it is still a tie. What the new system has guaranteed is that both teams are guuranteed one overtime posession, unless the first team with the ball scores a touchdown. Other than that one change, it is still "sudden death" for 15 minutes, and then the game would end in a tie. --Jayron32 00:10, 29 September 2012 (UTC)

So am I correct that if the defense scores a safety on the offense's first possession, the game ends immediately? Joefromrandb (talk) 03:50, 29 September 2012 (UTC)

I believe so. Let me look. I'll get back to you. --Jayron32 03:53, 29 September 2012 (UTC)

Yup. Specifically mentioned here in the official rules. The game would end at that point. --Jayron32 03:55, 29 September 2012 (UTC)

Thanks! Joefromrandb (talk) 04:04, 29 September 2012 (UTC)

An interesting rules quirk that I'm waiting to see somebody exploit: per the rules Jayron linked, an onside kick recovered by the kicking team counts as the receiving team's first chance, and so a single field goal wins immediately. On the other hand, if the onside kick is recovered by the receiving team, the kicking team will still get a later chance at possession, barring a touchdown. — Lomn 22:38, 30 September 2012 (UTC)

Unidentified ITV show

There was a drama series on ITV about 10-15 years ago on a Thursday evening. The story was that there had been an apocalyptic event (possibly either a nuclear bomb or a meteor strike), which was survived by a group of people who were on a train in a tunnel (which might have been Box Tunnel). There were about 6 or 8 episodes, and the show featured Louis Armstrong's version of Blueberry Hill - either as a the theme tune or as a trope throughout the series. What was it called? - Cucumber Mike (talk) 23:27, 28 September 2012 (UTC)

Ah. Ok everyone, stand down. I found it - it's The Last Train (TV series). Sorry. - Cucumber Mike (talk) 23:46, 28 September 2012 (UTC)

Resolved

September 29

Alas smith and jones sketch

I am trying to find a video from the Alas smith and jones comedy show where a contractor is hauled into the office of the project manager of the eurotunnel projectto discuss non performance — Preceding unsigned comment added by 118.149.189.147 (talk) 00:47, 29 September 2012 (UTC)

Well according to that infinitely valuable resource, Some Random Website [6], you want Alas Smith & Jones s4e01. Try putting that into youtube and see what you get; should be the eighth sketch.  Card Zero  (talk) 19:55, 29 September 2012 (UTC)

Lyrics for "What Love?" by Jagwar Ma.

Indeed I challenge you to find said lyrics. Quite the challenge it will be, as I do not expect anyone to actually find them, but it would be great if someone did. Nicholasprado (talk) 05:43, 29 September 2012 (UTC)

Joy Division plus/minus?

What exactly is the connection between Joy Division and plus/minus symbols? I've seen them on a few of their releases and promotional materials and I'm wondering what it's supposed to represent.--Editor510 ^{drop us a line, mate} 14:09, 29 September 2012 (UTC)

Peter Saville of Factory Records, who was responsible for Joy Division artwork including Atmosphere (Joy Division song) which first used the symbols, based his interpretation on a piece by the minimalist Dutch artist Jan van Munster, who is a redlink on en.Wikipedia but has articles on the Dutch and German Wikipedias, an omission I shall address shortly unless another editor gets there first. I found an old forum post claiming that Saville has said he saw the symbols as representing two distinct phases of Joy Division's music, but I can't find a reliable source to confirm this, I'm afraid. - Karenjc 08:24, 30 September 2012 (UTC)

Mia Talerico

Mia Talerico stars in Disney Channel Original Series, Good Luck Charlie, who plays the role of good luck Charlie Charlie Duncan, the second youngest of the Duncans. Mia started her role when she was eleven months old. She was born September 17, 2008 in Santa Barbara, California and is the child of Chris and Claire Talerico. She is 4years old. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Mohamad.ali.deryan (talk • contribs) 14:25, 29 September 2012 (UTC)

Have you a question? —Tamfang (talk) 21:55, 29 September 2012 (UTC)

Stand-up routine on driving psychopathy

I remember seeing an excerpt of a stand-up comedy routine on Youtube where the guy was talking about seeing a big group of people on the pavement and thinking about what would happen if he were to turn the steering wheel a few degrees towards them and kill them all. It ended with him interspersing the boring things that would happen if he continued driving normally with bits from the kind of news report that would result if he were to mow them all down. Anyone know what I'm talking about? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 93.96.113.87 (talk) 15:59, 29 September 2012 (UTC)

Can you describe what the comedian looked like please? --TammyMoet (talk) 17:59, 29 September 2012 (UTC)

My bet would be Stewart Francis. Britmax (talk) 11:23, 30 September 2012 (UTC)

Not that I have a better answer, but I don't think it sounds like Stewart Francis. His style is one liners with surreal twists, whereas the OP's description sounds like a fairly long routine on the same topic, which doesn't doesn't match... gazhiley 11:57, 1 October 2012 (UTC)

This is why I asked for a description of the comic because it sounds like something Harry Hill might do. He is visually quite striking. --TammyMoet (talk) 13:20, 1 October 2012 (UTC)

I saw this routine, I'm pretty sure it was Bill Burr. Livewireo (talk) 13:27, 1 October 2012 (UTC)

YouTube's interactive transcript

Why does the English interactive transcript always come up with gibberish? Is it an automated phonetic service? Simply south...... eating shoes for just 6 years 20:02, 29 September 2012 (UTC)

Yes, it is automatically generated. The algorithm has gotten better than it first was, but it really depends on how clearly spoken the words in the video are. Chevymontecarlo 06:09, 1 October 2012 (UTC)

October 1

Six more weeks

What is the significance of the comedy line "six more weeks of winter"? I've heard it in a number of American sitcoms and films (such as in an episode of Frasier when Daphne says it to Frasier after his dressing gown falls open) and it always brings the house down but I really don't get the reference. Keresaspa (talk) 00:59, 1 October 2012 (UTC)

According to folklore, if the titular animal sees its shadow on Groundhog Day, there will be six more weeks of winter. Clarityfiend (talk) 01:09, 1 October 2012 (UTC)

Now I see why it gets the laugh - ruder than I thought it was :D Thanks for the quick answer. Keresaspa (talk) 01:11, 1 October 2012 (UTC)

A piping hot answer in 30 minutes or less, or the next one's free. Clarityfiend (talk) 01:16, 1 October 2012 (UTC)

The Creative Assembly

Do they still use 3DS Max for building and animating models? If not, will they or have they switched to a newer program? Just wanted to ask since they announced Rome 2 for next year.--Arima (talk) 03:11, 1 October 2012 (UTC)

nfl football player with the longest hair?

does anyone know? or have a guess? ty. --Woo9k (talk) 13:28, 1 October 2012 (UTC)

I don't know that anyone has ever seriously done the measurements or kept any statistics at all. Some current players are known for having long hair, including Troy Polamalu, A. J. Hawk, and Clay Matthews III, but I'd be quite shocked if anyone got out a tape measure and did a detailed study of hair length. --Jayron32 13:44, 1 October 2012 (UTC)

Thank you for replying, i kind of guessed Polamalu. --Woo9k (talk) 13:47, 1 October 2012 (UTC)

Filming dates

Part of Sandra Bullock's movie The Net was filmed in San Francisco. How can I find out the exact dates it was filmed there? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.72.224.251 (talk) 18:46, 1 October 2012 (UTC)