Talk:American Airlines

Hubs and Focus City listing changes

Okay, all I know about AA's changes to its hubs/focus cities is that JFK is now a hub; STL has been dehubbed to a focus city. Need to know if San Juan is still a hub or now a focus city. Another question is that is LAX now announced as a hub or is it still a focus city? Thanks! 74.183.173.237 (talk) 05:12, 19 September 2009 (UTC)

Those two changes are the only ones announced. There has been no change to the status of San Juan, and it remains a hub officially. LAX has no change either and is still not classified as a hub for AA.

I would question whether STL qualifies as even a focus city after next April. It will be smaller in terms of flights (36) and destinations (9) than other big AA cities which are not on the list. SFO for example, serves almost the same number of flights (32) and cities (8) as STL will, yet is not listed as a focus city. DCA serves the same number of destinations (9) yet has a lot more daily flights (60) than STL and has a considerably greater seat capacity. (82.45.56.46 (talk) 20:58, 19 September 2009 (UTC))

Thanks for the info. Then what about LGA?? it is suddenly listed as an AA hub. For STL, we'll leave it classified as a focus city until April. 74.183.173.237 (talk) 21:13, 19 September 2009 (UTC)

I apologize if I'm not supposed to edit this section as I'm not that familiar with Wikipedia. If so, please just delete this posting but I thought maybe I could help. San Juan and St. Louis were not mentioned as hubs as of the FlightPlan2020 release. I've seen some wording as Dallas/Ft. Worth, Chicago, New York, and Miami as hubs with Los Angeles as a focus city and I've seen one communication listing Los Angeles as a hub along with the rest of the previously mentioned cities. One thing I can tell you is that Los Angeles should at least be moved to the first of the focus cities (and then La Guardia #2) as LAX is unofficially considered a hub already inside AA as New York used to be and I suspect that LAX will be designated officially as a hub in the future. Gate space may be hard to obtain at LAX. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.32.103.198 (talk) 08:45, 16 November 2009 (UTC)

I'm not that familiar with Wikipedia: please be kind. I wouldn't consider STL a focus city or a hub, but I would consider SJU a focus city, not a hub. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Futurepilot518 (talk • contribs) 01:08, 25 December 2009 (UTC)

LaGuardia Airport

Since when did LGA became a AA hub? 74.183.173.237 (talk) 21:12, 19 September 2009 (UTC)

As for as the announcement goes, JFK is the only airport to be upgraded to a 'hub' but LGA has no where near enough flights or increase to become a hub. Zaps93 (talk) 23:11, 19 September 2009 (UTC)

I agree. The only announcement from AA is that JFK will get an increase in daily number of flights. By looking the destinations served by AA on the LGA page, it is not even close to being a hub and it is not a connecting poing for AA flights anyways. I think the IP might by confused when he saw "New York" listed as a hub, he thought that it includes both LGA and JFK. This is the same for CO....on their website the EWR is also referred to as "New York" but LGA and JFK are not added. That's because one: CO does not even fly to JFK second: for CO flights out of LGA the only non-hub destination is to Aruba but that's served seasonally so it can't be. 74.183.173.237 (talk) 00:40, 20 September 2009 (UTC)

Yes, I agree entirely, LGA is certainly not a hub for AA. I think you are exactly right and maybe the confusion has come from the wording of the most recent press release from AA and the CEO’s letter to employees which talk about their New York hub and then give the total number of flights from LGA/JFK combined. They never specifically said LGA was a hub and, for the reasons you indicated, it is clearly not.(82.45.56.46 (talk) 13:19, 20 September 2009 (UTC))

I have looked all over AA's website and could not find anything that just said "JFK", every time it was referred to as only "New York"...Similar to how CO refers to EWR as “New York”. I also want to just point out that AA also doesn’t refer to O’Hare when talking about Chicago. When looking at the flights at AA’s four hubs (MIA, DFW, ORD, and JFK), it is clear that LGA is nowhere near a hub status in the amount of flights served. If no one has any logical disagreements with LGA being put back as a focus city, I will put it back later today. Spikydan1 (talk) 15:34, 20 September 2009 (UTC)

I would watch this page after the protection expired....I am 100% positive that the IP who started the dispute will be back to add LGA as a hub despite the discussion. 74.183.173.237 (talk) 21:16, 20 September 2009 (UTC)

Take 2

Here we go again.... Snoozlepet (talk) 15:36, 8 October 2009 (UTC)

It may have JFK ages because it has never officially been a hub before the release mentioning both JFK and LGA. Yea AA never specifies O'Hare in Chicago but they also never mention Midway. AA mentions JFK and LGA with a combined flight count in their hub press release and exclude EWR without ever using the term "focus city" at all. Editor800 (talk) —Preceding undated comment added 15:55, 8 October 2009 (UTC).

It wasn't a 'hub' release, it was an operation update. As for the matter at hand, as far as I am aware, JFK was always considered a hub though it was a focus city and now that is has been upgrading to more flights to make it official, LGA status as focus city has/will stay the same. If you can provide an excact reference to state LGA is a 'hub' I shall take back all my comments, but as far as I'm aware along with other users... It's not a HUB. Zaps93 (talk) 16:01, 8 October 2009 (UTC)

Update hubs/focus cities listing in infobox

Need an expert or an employee from American Airlines to update the listing of hubs/focus cities in the infobox. This might help to prevent future IP edit warring. Thanks! 74.183.173.237 (talk) 19:55, 22 September 2009 (UTC)

Third Opinion - list of hubs

(I'm not by any means an expert in the field, but I am a New York-area plane spotter and run a hobbyist aviation site, so I like to think I know what I'm talking about sometimes.)

This appears to be one of those situations where the sources don't say exactly what we need them to say. If it were for me to decide, I'd say JFK was a hub and LGA was a focus airport. Both airports get a significant share of their traffic from AA, but there's very little transfer between flights at LGA, whereas there's a lot at JFK (generally between domestic and international flights). But from AA's press releases, it sounds like when they list their hubs, they use cities, not airports. So it would be better to say that New York is a hub, instead of LGA or JFK is a hub. Not necessarily more accurate, but more supported by sources. MirrorLockup (talk) 19:25, 8 October 2009 (UTC)

I agree. Also, a lot of airlines only list cities and not airport when listing hubs. Well, Chicago is obvious because AA do not fly to Midway at all (they did but suspended to concentrate on ORD) and Dallas refers to DFW Airport. American Eagle flew/fly to Love Field but not mainline. Snoozlepet (talk) 20:47, 8 October 2009 (UTC)

I would be satisfied with the solution of referringt to "New York" as a hub. That would be an acceptable compromise for me and end the dispute. Editor800 (talk) 16:28, 10 October 2009 (UTC)

I think we shouls just list the hub list to just cities. 74.183.173.237 (talk) 21:42, 10 October 2009 (UTC)

Hubs are a market designation by an airline. If it thinks the market is really super important they'll designate it as a hub. Dallas/Fort Worth is considered a hub even though American only has a significant presence as DFW with only 8 flights a day out of Dallas Love. Chicago is designated a hub market with American operating a hub out of O'Hare while not serving Chicago Midway. New York City is a hub market for American Airlines. They have split the hub operation between two airports, JFK for transcontinental and international service and LaGuardia for domestic service. Neither airport is home to an actual hubbing operation but because of the significant presence American has at both airports they consider the market a hub. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.61.38.188 (talk) 03:41, 25 October 2009 (UTC)

Livery?

Did AA not have a grey paint scheme on the body of their 757's at one stage? I know they just use the silver un-painted bodies, but I have seen die cast models and some odd pictures of AA 757's holding the grey paint scheme. Can anybody help. Thanks!

All of AA's A300 were painted grey at one time. Some of their other aircraft were also temporarily painted grey after AA aquired them from other airlines (such as their merger with TWA in 2001). Spikydan1 (talk) 14:20, 11 December 2009 (UTC)

I have clever ideas ... you would be enjoys it!

This is idea for section headings:

• CommunicAAtion
• ExpAAnsion in the 1980s and 1990s
• DestinAAtions
• AAdmirals Club
• CodeshAAre AAgreements
• On-boAArd service
• AAccidents and incidents
• MiscellAAneous

This is clever idea that matching other theme which is includes: AAdvantage and TrAAin. If you are likes idea, please makes postings. Thanks! --B767-500 (talk) 08:32, 24 December 2009 (UTC)

We have to go by simple grammer and English, keep to the rules, this is not a smart idea but it is clever, I am against it though I'm afraid. Zaps93 (talk) 15:16, 24 December 2009 (UTC)

I am editor, which he is be wroting poor English, so I am best position to make ungrammeticaly suggestion. Thanks you! --B767-500 (talk) 17:32, 24 December 2009 (UTC)

This isn't an article for marketing American's "double-A" branding. As noted, we stick to the normal rules of English grammar on Wikipedia. Esrever ^(klaT) 16:05, 24 December 2009 (UTC)

I make new test edit: [1]. If you are seen it, you might like it and accepting my idea. If you are like, you can adds comments here. If you are dislikes, you can adds nothing here. hAA hAA. I revert because other editor might got very upset and thought about punished me. Thanks. Sorry my poor English. —Preceding unsigned comment added by B767-500 (talk • contribs) 06:47, 26 December 2009 (UTC)

No, that's not going to work. We understood your suggestion the first time, but it's not acceptable on Wikipedia. This is not an article for marketing American Airlines. It's an encyclopedia article, and so it needs to reflect standard English usage. Esrever ^(klaT) 17:58, 26 December 2009 (UTC)

AA Skycaps issue

I wanting to adding this text, but User:Jasepl and User:NeilN does not likes my poor English:

• American Airlines have lawsuit issues by those Skycaps and Boston judge ruling they can sues the airline (with class action) for tips which got lost maybe $200 per day because customer not tipping due to those greedy luggages fees.

Can you improving and I will do postings. Thanks. --B767-500 (talk) 18:00, 8 February 2010 (UTC)

Simply not noteworthy to be included. HkCaGu (talk) 18:13, 8 February 2010 (UTC)

This would impacting those AA pricing issues because AA would lost everything profit from those luggage fees. Did you thought that was not 'noteworthy to be included'. --B767-500 (talk) 04:41, 9 February 2010 (UTC)

Plus, the cite looks to be a blog which is not a reliable source. --NeilN ^{talk to me} 18:14, 8 February 2010 (UTC)

Historic aircraft

The AA article misses listing the Stinson A trimotor which was operated in the mid-1930s. The aircraft were purchased as a result of E. L. Cord buying Stinson Aircraft. Cord controlled American Airlines. AA was the largest user of the Stinson A.Mark Lincoln (talk) 09:55, 26 April 2010 (UTC)

AA also had Stinson Reliants for instrument training. They were not used for passenger flights.Mark Lincoln (talk) 09:59, 26 April 2010 (UTC)

AA lost at least two Stinson A airliners. A fatal accident at Pavilion, NY (Genesee County Airport) 1 April 1936, aircraft NC15152 flying AM 7 , pilot Stanford Underwood with all occupants killed taking off in a snowstorm.

NC 14141 was lost in a non-fatal (barely) accident at Chicago, Illinois on 26 May 1936.

Ernest K. Gann conflated the two accidents and apparently 'fictionalized' one of the persons involved in the NC 14141 accident as the character "Lester" in his 1961 'novel' 'Fate is the Hunter'. page 16Mark Lincoln (talk) 11:00, 26 April 2010 (UTC)

Baggage lawsuit is it notable?

I was seen many articles which regarding to this lawsuit:

• American Airlines Loses Bag, is Sued for $5 Million
• Woman Sues American Airlines for $5 Million over $25 Checked Baggage Fee
• American Airlines Sued for $5M After Refusing $25 Lost Bag Refund

Other editor (Dave1185) told me 'no editing!' due to 'broken English' so I just posting to talk page instead. --B767-500 (talk) 05:24, 26 July 2010 (UTC)

"Silent Running"

Hello! Hey, shouldn't the usage of "American Airlines" as the owners of the ships appearing in the movie, "Silent Running" starring Bruce Dern, count for something? I thought about inserting a line about it in the "Popular Culture" section. But then I thought better of it, by not presuming that I can put that in without getting a clarification first. LeoStarDragon1 (talk) 03:27, 1 August 2010 (UTC)

Reference list

I suggest the implementation of {{Reflist|colwidth=45em}} on this article, because of the length of the reference list. Opinions, rejections? —bender235 (talk) 18:23, 18 December 2010 (UTC)

Of course, you are well aware there is no consensus for these changes. — Carl (CBM · talk) 21:42, 19 December 2010 (UTC)

If the only thing you have to say about a contribution to the encyclopedia is that it lacks consensus, it's best not to revert it.

I'm trying to find out whether there is local consensus here. Let's see how the reactions are. Your vote obviously doesn't count here (and neither does mine), since you haven't contributed to this article at all. —bender235 (talk) 00:15, 20 December 2010 (UTC)

Actually, per WP:MOS: "Where there is disagreement over which style to use in an article, defer to the style used by the first major contributor." I have disagreed (and I know from recent discussions that others also dislike these changes). Since there is disagreement, the policy is to keep the established style. — Carl (CBM · talk) 00:29, 20 December 2010 (UTC)

Haha, oh no. You certainly can't elude your own rules. Either each of us is a non-contributor to this article and therefore does not have a say regarding the style, or your "rule" was garbage from day one. But in that case, all of your ANIs were baseless. —bender235 (talk) 00:46, 20 December 2010 (UTC)

Bring it up at WT:MOS if you don't believe me. — Carl (CBM · talk) 00:52, 20 December 2010 (UTC)

So in your opinion, I have no right to modify this article because I haven't previously contributed, but you have all rights to veto anything although you haven't contributed either? That's ridiculous.

And again: you created that "non-contributor has no rights whatsoever" rule. I know it's not in MOS, or anywhere. Because you made it up. But since you did, you have to obey that rule just like I do. —bender235 (talk) 01:01, 20 December 2010 (UTC)

The rule as stated in the MOS is "Where there is disagreement over which style to use in an article, defer to the style used by the first major contributor." Take it up with WT:MOS if you don't like it. — Carl (CBM · talk) 01:04, 20 December 2010 (UTC)

You're a funny dude. But okay, lets adhere to WP:MOS. But I hope from now on you also adhere to WP:OWN and WP:BRD. —bender235 (talk) 01:17, 20 December 2010 (UTC)

I have been saying for a while we should adhere to WP:MOS by not making random stylistic changes to articles. — Carl (CBM · talk) 01:25, 20 December 2010 (UTC)

The proposed change is neither "random" nor is it purely "stylistic". {{Reflist|2}}, which has been used until recently, makes the references unreadable on small screens. Therefore, this is more of an WP:ACCESS improvement rather than a simple stylistic change. —bender235 (talk) 01:33, 20 December 2010 (UTC)

Indeed, it's a stylistic change. If there were an WP:ACCESS issue with reflist|2, we would get rid of that parameter entirely, not randomly change it on a few articles. You could bring it up at WP:ACCESS, I guess, if you think it would really get consensus. — Carl (CBM · talk) 01:39, 20 December 2010 (UTC)

AMR likes Sabre: is it favoritizm?

So, it's curious that AA's litigation against (formerly in-house) Sabre is on hold. Is AA favoring Sabre over Apollo (Galileo) and Travelport? Let's discuss with references from news sources. Thanks. --Inetpuppy (talk) 06:34, 25 January 2011 (UTC)

Postwar Developments

On 30 March 1973 AA became the first major airline to employ a female pilot when Bonnie Tiburzi was hired to fly Boeing 727s.

The next two paragraphs should be removed - not relevant to AA From 1971–1978 Beverly Lynn Burns worked as a stewardess for AA. She went on to become the first woman Boeing 747 airline captain when, on the afternoon of July 18, 1984, she commanded People Express flight #17 (aircraft 604) departing Newark International Airport at 3:30pm to Los Angeles International Airport.

In a prearranged effort, this honor was shared with another female People Express captain Lynn Rippelmeyer, who flew flight #2 from Newark to London Gatwick at 7:35pm that same day.[15]

American Airlines has been innovative in other aspects initiating several of the industry's major competitive developments including computer reservations systems, frequent flyer loyalty programs and two-tier wage scales.[16] — Preceding unsigned comment added by Spiceman2 (talk • contribs) 16:08, 26 April 2011 (UTC) Spiceman2 (talk) 16:15, 26 April 2011 (UTC)Spiceman2

"In Popular Culture" section has turned into a trivia section

Hello, I've noticed that the following paragraphs in the pop culture section make it look like a random assortment of facts. They're listed below. Any suggestions on where to put them? Thanks.

• AA lobbied heavily to be assigned the IATA airline code US when the U.S. military released it for non-military use. However, USAir ultimately won the bid for the US airliner code.
• AA is the only Big Five legacy carrier in the United States which has not filed for Chapter 11 bankruptcy protection.
• AA has its name on two major U.S. venues, American Airlines Center in Dallas, home to the Mavericks basketball team and Dallas Stars ice hockey team, and American Airlines Arena in Miami, home to the Miami Heat basketball team. When the Heat and Mavericks played each other in the 2006 NBA Finals, it was referred to as the "American Airlines series."
• The nose section of an American Airlines DC-7 is displayed at the Smithsonian Air and Space Museum

These are worth putting in the article, but they just aren't in the right place. Please share your suggestions on where to put them.

Thanks, Compdude123 (talk) 21:42, 29 May 2011 (UTC)

Boeing 787–9 Order

In the fleet table it shows an order for the 787-9. In the notes it says the order is not firm. Maybe this shouldn't be included in the table if this is the case? Other airlines seem to follow this rule --JetBlast (talk) 18:28, 27 July 2011 (UTC)

It still needs to be mentioned as prose in the fleet section, but it should NOT go in the table until the order is firmed up. —Compdude123 (talk) 22:45, 31 December 2011 (UTC)

Historic fleet

AA also operated 747-200F for cargo division American Freighter, its not listed in the historic section, even if leased it should be included as it flew in full AA livery. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 119.155.39.206 (talk) 01:31, 28 August 2011 (UTC)

What to writing about bankruptcy issues?

• NYT
• WSJ
• SF Chronicle
• I found source which they says:

"AMR Corporation (NYSE: AMR) may have been the victim of some aggressive reporting that turned into rumors of an impending bankruptcy filing. The company tried to refute this notion yesterday, but its own verbage did not convey any true denial. A “preference” is not exactly an outright “No!” to those who interpret news."

So basically, nothing to writing about the false rumor. --B767-500 (talk) 14:41, 4 October 2011 (UTC)

Boeing 737 MAX order

Hi, Is the order for the 737 Max firm? According to this official Boeing press release Southwest is the only one with a firm order. If this is the case shouldnt the order be removed from the fleet table? Thanks. --JetBlast (talk) 06:32, 31 December 2011 (UTC)

Maybe not, but it should still be mentioned in the Fleet section. Same goes for Lion Air; they committed to the 737MAX but didn't place a firm order for it. —Compdude123 (talk) 22:43, 31 December 2011 (UTC)

I agree 100% --JetBlast (talk) 02:28, 1 January 2012 (UTC)

Maybe you could make the edits as you have done on other articles? --JetBlast (talk) 05:26, 1 January 2012 (UTC)

Flag Carrier?

Why is American Airlines claimed to be the flag carrier of the US? The Flag Carrier page says: "A flag carrier is a transportation company, such as an airline or shipping company, that, being locally registered in a given state, enjoys preferential rights or privileges, accorded by the government, for international operations. It may be a state-run, state-owned or private but state-designated company or organization. Flag carriers may be known as such due to maritime law requiring all aircraft or ships to display the state flag of the country of their registry." This is not met by American.Dmoerner (talk) 07:40, 13 February 2012 (UTC)

It is not the flag carrier but for some reason certain IP users think it is. If anyone adds info saying that AA is the flag carrier of the United States don't hesitate to revert it immediately. —Compdude¹²³ 17:33, 14 February 2012 (UTC)

And also, someone changed that American Airlines is the world's largest airline in terms of passenger traffic and revenue but not the largest in terms of passengers (United is). Snoozlepet (talk) 05:08, 15 February 2012 (UTC)

Fleet update

I lack the Programming skills, and would like to request the fleet chart is updated with American's 42 new firm dream liners. citation is http://www.americanairlines.ch/intl/ch/newsAndPr_en/pr_dreamliners.jsp. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Aviator44 (talk • contribs) 12:17, 12 May 2012‎ (UTC)

That and this article indicate AA's intent to buy 787-9s, and not a firm order. Also, that American Airlines news page was started on 3/27/2009. So not new news. -Fnlayson (talk) 16:36, 14 May 2012 (UTC)

Looks like no finalized 787 order until pilots contract is done per Flight Global. -Fnlayson (talk) 22:59, 14 May 2012 (UTC)

787

I added a entry a few months ago about their 787 order. It was reverted with the edit summary "Undid revision 472108795 by Jay8g (talk) not a firm order.". I was all right with that (I know very little about aviation and assumed I misunderstood AA's website). However I recently was looking at the List of Boeing 787 orders and deliveries and it includes the AA order. Please help me understand this. (The source I used was [2] :Jay8g ^{Hi!- I am... -What I do...} 02:14, 23 May 2012 (UTC)

I'm not sure why the 787 Orders/ deliveries page lists the AA order. I posted a question regarding that on Talk:List of Boeing 787 orders and deliveries. In my opinion it should be removed. —Compdude¹²³ 03:27, 23 May 2012 (UTC)

I don't know when, but the 787 orders page seems to be fixed so AA isn't on there anymore. --Greggy123 (talk) 21:13, 2 June 2012 (UTC)

I deleted PLUNA under codeshares

I deleted PLUNA from the codeshare agreements section because PLUNA ceased operations. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.89.35.142 (talk) 18:32, 12 July 2012 (UTC)

I deleted Gol Airlines from codeshare agreements

I deleted Gol Airlines from codeshare agreements because it is past August 13 and the codeshare has been terminated since then. Should have been removed earlier.72.89.35.142 (talk) 02:42, 30 August 2012 (UTC)

Fact

Is it oK for me to add that they are one of the only companies who responds to your twitter posts if we give examples. If its ok I want to do it. Pure Awesomeness Commonly called Evoogd20 02:34, 8 February 2013 (UTC)

No, you'd need more than just examples of the airline doing this. You'd need to find a reliable source that actually says American Airlines is one of the only companies that does this (which I doubt you'll find--plenty of companies maintain an active presence on Twitter). Esrever ^(klaT) 03:31, 8 February 2013 (UTC)

It is requested that a photo be updated, to improve quality to this article.

It is requested that the photo of Americans Flagship First Class Cabin, located in the ON-BOARD SERVICE Section be updated to this photo "https://www.aa.com/content/images/aboutUs/newsroom/img_first_class_suite.jpg" in order to improve the quality and accuracy of this article as American just created a New Flagship First Class cabin.

(Kinz7865 (talk) 01:59, 13 February 2013 (UTC))

That's a copyrighted photo. If you want to add a picture of the new first class cabin, take it yourself and upload it. Esrever ^(klaT) 03:33, 13 February 2013 (UTC)

It would fail our fair use requirements since, once the cabins are starting to be used in flight, people can take the photos and be uploaded under a free license. Sorry, we cannot use it. User:Zscout370 ^{(Return Fire)} 07:48, 13 February 2013 (UTC)

Closing request, with an additional note: please see Wikipedia:Image use policy for information on copyright and licensing as they pertain to Wikipedia. It may be possible to find an image without taking it yourself. Rivertorch (talk) 07:51, 13 February 2013 (UTC)

It is possible (Flickr, other locations) but because there is that high chance, we just cannot accept that image. User:Zscout370 ^{(Return Fire)} 07:54, 13 February 2013 (UTC)

Split should be vetted properly {{split2|AMR Corporation–US Airways Group merger|date=February 2013}}

The following split should on the table for discussion:

{{split2|AMR Corporation–US Airways Group merger|date=February 2013}}

I don't know if the above is a split or a rename proposal, but just wanted to put it forward for discussion. The above is in reference to the article American Airlines–US Airways merger.

--71.135.164.241 (talk) 06:04, 19 February 2013 (UTC)