Talk:Hinduism

Indus Valley Civilization ???

Connecting Indus Valley civilization with Hinduism remains very controversial and is often claimed by Hindu nationalists without substantial evidence. Harappa or Mohenjo-daro artifacts do not prove any connections with Hinduism. 468SM (talk) 21:00, 9 December 2014 (UTC)

Well, the references have academic citations. Why do you think there is a controversy? The fact that Hindu nationalists also believe something is not a good enough reason to disbelieve it. Kautilya3 (talk) 21:05, 9 December 2014 (UTC)

Perhaps you misinterpreted the text. The Hindu nationalist position is that the Indus Valley civilisation itself was Vedic. What our article says is that the Vedic religion was a synthesis of Indo-Aryan and Harappan religions. That is a very different statement. Kautilya3 (talk) 21:14, 9 December 2014 (UTC)

Gundestrup Cauldron also looks like the Indus River Valley seal it does not prove anything. There are many in the archaeological community who disagree and are skeptical about the hypothesis of John Marshall and Gregory L. Possehl don't forget. Just because it makes Hindu Nationalism sound doesn't mean its correct. 468SM (talk) 11:08, 10 December 2014 (UTC)

I have already debunked this nonsensical view of 468SM, I am not getting why he is still revising history with his opinion that starts with "also looks likes". See [3], a minority of scholars who have disputed the analysis that Pashupati Seal is not Shiva, they further admits that this analysis is universally accepted. Read:-

Herbert Sullivan : "has been accepted almost universally and has greatly influenced scholarly understanding of the historical development of Hinduism".[4]

Doris Meth Srinivasan: "no matter what position is taken regarding the seal's iconography, it is always prefaced by Marshall's interpretation. On balance the proto-Śiva character of the seal has been accepted."

Bladesmulti (talk) 11:49, 10 December 2014 (UTC)

Blades, the identification of the Pashupati seal figure with Shiva was the prevailing view among researchers from 1920s-60s. Since then however the scholarly views have shifted, and now while scholars leave open the possibility that there is a link between the figure in the seal and Shiva, they consider it implausible overall.

I had started developing the Pashupati seal draft article last year covering all this, but only completed the first half before getting busy in real life. I didn't realize that the draft had been copied to main page at Pashupati seal, which is perfectly fine... but unfortunately, as a result of the interrupted work, the current wikipedia article presents an incomplete view of the subject. I'll try to take some time and remedy that before the end of the year (since I still have the relevant references on my hard-drive somewhere).

@468SM:: The current Hindusim article already specifies "However these links of deities and practices of the Indus religion to later-day Hinduism are subject to both political contention and scholarly dispute", which I believe is both accurate and an appropriate level of summary for this page. The Religion section of the IVC page contains some more details, and the Pashupati seal article will (at some point soon!) contain more detailed analysis about the narrow issue of the seal figure and Shiva. Did you have any specific changes in mind for this article in the meantime ? Abecedare (talk) 14:07, 10 December 2014 (UTC)

Yes there are multiple scholars who have disputed, but I was only suggesting that this has to do nothing with any kind of nationalism and those who have disputed this analysis have however admitted that Marshall's analysis is considered as the major one. There was no problem with the current version, that's why I kept reverting to the version before 468SM's edits. I had knew that the idea of making a new article about PS was coined by you, just like its creator had described in his edit summary. Bladesmulti (talk) 14:30, 10 December 2014 (UTC)

There are a ton of top western scholars that link IVC to Hinduism or Vedism. You can read page 28 of Kiss of the Yogini.VictoriaGrayson^Talk 20:01, 14 December 2014 (UTC)

Formatting error in introduction

In the third paragraph of the introduction the text "{{refn|group=note|" appears. This should be corrected.24.125.220.224 (talk) 04:45, 14 December 2014 (UTC)

Thanks for writing, I have changed it. Bladesmulti (talk) 04:48, 14 December 2014 (UTC)

One of us fixed it? --NeilN ^{talk to me} 04:52, 14 December 2014 (UTC)

Yes you did. I had edit conflict when I was reverting one of the last change. Bladesmulti (talk) 05:01, 14 December 2014 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 20 December 2014

But many of people get misconception that Sikhism is derived from Hinduism but in reality these both are totally different religion.Only language matches somewhere but meaning and teachings of Shri Guru Granth Sahib Ji is completely different from Hinduism.Sikhs do not believe in idols and other rituals,they only believe in one god i.e.Waheguru. Guru Granth Sahib Ji clearly states that-

ਪੂਜਾ ਕਰਉ ਨ ਨਿਵਾਜ ਗੁਜਾਰਉ ॥ ਏਕ ਨਿਰੰਕਾਰ ਲੇ ਰਿਦੈ ਨਮਸਕਾਰਉ ॥੩॥

I do not perform Hindu worship services, nor do I offer the Muslim prayers. I have taken the One Formless Lord into my heart; I humbly worship Him there. ||3||

ਨਾ ਹਮ ਹਿੰਦੂ ਨ ਮੁਸਲਮਾਨ ॥ ਅਲਹ ਰਾਮ ਕੇ ਪਿੰਡੁ ਪਰਾਨ ॥੪॥

I am neither a Hindu, nor am I a Muslim. My body and breath of life belong to the Great Almighty (Allah-Raam). ||4||

Guru Gobind Singh Ji declared in the verses of Uggardanti:

ਦੁਹੂੰ ਪੰਥ ਮੈਂ ਕਪਟ ਵਿੱਦਯਾ ਚਲਾਨੀ ॥ ਬਹੁੜ ਤੀਸਰਾ ਪੰਥ ਕੀਜੈ ਪਰਧਾਨੀ ॥

Tho two paths (Vedic and Abrahamic) have become corrupt. O' Lord propagate and uplift the third path (Khalsa Panth) . Saddamjit Singh Rajput (talk) 12:29, 20 December 2014 (UTC)

Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format. Sam ^Sing! 13:53, 20 December 2014 (UTC)

Read Wikipedia:Original research and Wikipedia:Primary. Bladesmulti (talk) 13:56, 20 December 2014 (UTC)

Sikhs follow the teachings of the Sikh gurus recorded in the Holy Guru-granth Sahib. I am not a Sikh, but I benefit from that holy granth also, and I bow my head in a gurdwara. Kanchanamala (talk) 15:37, 21 December 2014 (UTC)