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Voice section
"Critics opine that Aguilera's vocal ability is fully expressed on downtempo ballads" the reference cited is an review of the album stripped... 'Critics' is in plural state indicating a mutual agreement by multiple critics. Hence, multiple sources must be cited or the line is invalid. An album review also isn't deductive of what critics have opined of her voice over the span of her career. (If you need sources, billboard, rolling stone, entertainment weekly i can provide a comprehensive list favoring her voice over uptempo tracks)
David Browne writing for The New York Times noted that "Aguilera's vocal performance was highly influenced by Carey and Houston, sharing that "Aguilera has been one of the foremost practitioners of the overpowering, Category 5 vocal style known as melisma" - Carey & Houston mentioned 2x in "Influence" sections so information is redundant.
Title of Section is "Voice" - an actual description of her voice would be appropriate and informative. Tone? timbre ext. As in with every other Wikipedia page where "Voice" subsection is present (i.e. almost every female singer). [There are articles from the LA,NY times, NY post hordes of other describing her voice]
There is no mention of the lists of Greatest vocalists she has made?
for example... "in 2003 Carey topped MTV and Blender magazine countdown of the 22 Greatest Voices in Music, as voted by fans and readers in an online poll....."She also placed second in Cove magazine's list of "The 100 Outstanding Pop Vocalists"..This is allowed on Mariah Carey's page why not Christina when she was 5th on the former and topped the latter list? The same lists are also mentioned in Mary J Blidge, Celine Dion, Whitney Houston pages...so why not Aguilera's?
Lastly, I propose her excessive use of melisma be moved to the paragraph highlighting her oversinging since the two concepts are inherently related.
This page looks like its been written by amateurs who have nothing but dislike for Aguilera. I suggest neutrality when editing biographical pages and thus asking the help of some objective editors to help me revamp this section. Add the good.Add the bad (I don't care) but leave personal feelings at home.
Any comments and feedback would be appreciated Many Thanks CJBXT720 (talk) 11:26, 9 May 2015 (UTC)
- The article does need work, and I found lots of references didn't support attributed text back in January, though there has been improvement from this over the past few months. Let's see what other editors have to say. I haven't had any other chances to check through all references since (and it would take quite a while to do so), though it would help to get another spotchecker for that and other parts of the article. Snuggums (talk / edits) 22:23, 9 May 2015 (UTC)
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The main photo of the article is approaching 3 years old. Under the GNU Free Documentation License (http://www.last.fm/help/gfdl), this image (http://www.last.fm/music/Christina+Aguilera/+images/103673977) from the Feb 2015 NBA All-Stars Game should be protected and free for use. Fifty1Fifty (talk) 16:06, 13 May 2015 (UTC)
- Not done - The GNU Free Documentation License states:-
- This License applies to any manual or other work, in any medium, that contains a notice placed by the copyright holder saying it can be distributed under the terms of this License.
- I do not see such a notice on the last fm page all I see is:-
- CBS Interactive © 2015 Last.fm Ltd. All rights reserved
- If you can show there is such a notice, specifically attached to that picture, please re-open this request, providing details - Arjayay (talk) 16:33, 13 May 2015 (UTC)
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The main photo of the article is approaching 3 years old. This image (http://www.lasvegasnvblog.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/04/b02f27C262B200000578-0-image-a-94_1429502752755-192x350.jpg) from the 2015 ACM Awards should be protected and free for use, as stated on the blog's site (right-hand side - http://www.lasvegasnvblog.com/2015/04/christina-goes-country-aguilera-performs-nashville-song-in-sheer-roberto-cavalli-gown-at-her-first-ever-acm-awards/), under the Creative Commons Attribution 4.0 International Public License (http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by/4.0/) Fifty1Fifty (talk) 22:46, 10 July 2015 (EST)
- Not done: Updating the image would be fantastic, but I'm not sure that the image is owned by this lasvegasnvblog - if you click on the link after "read more" at the end of the bit, it links to http://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-3046558/Christina-goes-country-Aguilera-performs-Nashville-song-sheer-Roberto-Cavalli-gown-ACM-Awards.html?ITO=1490&ns_mchannel=rss&ns_campaign=1490, where the same image can be seen. I'm guessing this blog pulled it off the Daily Mail site, so I don't think the images are theirs to declare free to use. Cannolis (talk) 03:55, 11 July 2015 (UTC)
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I believe I've found an updated image for the main article. Christina performing at the AMA's in November 2013, (https://www.flickr.com/photos/disneyabc/11043775355/in/photolist-hPUeDV-hPVbFM-hPCd4m-gCNNxA-fWs9Tj-fWs5Hy-fWs5Co-fWs9E3-fWs5tW-fnSHFd-fnCuKa-eigNKS-egQpcv-eeh4YB-eenMkE-eeh5dV-eenMg7-eenNeQ-eenNfE-eenMY1-eeh5Xk-eeh3Xp-eenMrS-eeh5xe-eenLWm-eenN6j-eenLA7-eeh4LR-eeh5Tp-eenLPS-eeh4p8-eenMCd-eenMH5-eeh5c8-eeh4Nn-eenMLW-efcNVG-ecEN8H-e5sX8i-e5sXcg-dZVuXq-dVDipm-dSPPgS-dKqbp5-dKjHec-dKqbs3-dKrqLw-dKjHFR-dKkXx4-dKqbFd). This image falls under Flickr's "Commercial Use Allowed" filter of their gallery (https://www.flickr.com/search/?sort=date-taken-desc&text=christina%20aguilera&license=4,5,6,9,10), noting (by the uploader, "Disney | ABC Television Group" - https://www.flickr.com/photos/disneyabc/) that it is protected under the Creative Commons Attribution License (https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-nd/2.0/). This is re-iterated by Flickr's guidelines under "Free Commercial Use." https://www.flickr.com/people/free_for_commercial_use/
UPDATE*******************:
To your question of whether or not the account in question is official, on the official Disney ABC Press website (http://www.disneyabcpress.com), the flicker icon at the bottom of the page redirects back to that exact account (also listed as official in the about page). Directly under the photo, the "Photo by Matt Brown/ABC via Getty Images" note states that ABC owns it. Paired with the link directly attached to the image about the creative commons license (https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-nd/2.0/), which states the image is free to share, I don't see how this image is deemed ineligible, considering it's a more recent, official picture than the one currently being used.
Fifty1Fifty (talk) 15:35, 15 July 2015 (EST)
- Not done. The photo is copyrighted by Getty Images, and the Flickr account is not verified to be from Disney or ABC. It leads me to believe that the image is not the license it claims to be. --wL<speak·check> 05:55, 18 July 2015 (UTC)
- Not done: This is a bit outside the scope of SPERs. If you are concerned about image licensing, you should discuss it with other editors here. --allthefoxes (Talk) 17:38, 8 February 2016 (UTC)
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