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::I was aware of the previous history of the page; I moved the article, which had been accepted at [[WP:AfC]], to a more appropriate title. The article itself, however, was anything but OK, and I'm rather embarassed that despite being familiar with it I edited it without noticing the problems. It one-sidedly took DJ Many's point of view, used promotional language, cited unreliable sources and misrepresented more reliable ones. It was a BLP nightmare, particularly since it included claims about [[Greg Hardy]] that may well have been libelous. DJ Many may be notable, but we'd need a new article by people not associated with DJ Many, who by the way is [[User:DJ Many56|blocked on Wikipedia]] and is routinely evading the block to have his page and related articles say what he wants them to. If there's an IP editing the page, chances are it's him. [[User:Huon|Huon]] ([[User talk:Huon|talk]]) 15:21, 21 May 2016 (UTC)
::I was aware of the previous history of the page; I moved the article, which had been accepted at [[WP:AfC]], to a more appropriate title. The article itself, however, was anything but OK, and I'm rather embarassed that despite being familiar with it I edited it without noticing the problems. It one-sidedly took DJ Many's point of view, used promotional language, cited unreliable sources and misrepresented more reliable ones. It was a BLP nightmare, particularly since it included claims about [[Greg Hardy]] that may well have been libelous. DJ Many may be notable, but we'd need a new article by people not associated with DJ Many, who by the way is [[User:DJ Many56|blocked on Wikipedia]] and is routinely evading the block to have his page and related articles say what he wants them to. If there's an IP editing the page, chances are it's him. [[User:Huon|Huon]] ([[User talk:Huon|talk]]) 15:21, 21 May 2016 (UTC)

:: I Would Like My Page Restored, I Am Notable. I Meet The Entertainers Standard Of Notability. 2. Has a large fan base or a significant "cult" following. I Have Over A Million Followers On Twitter Now. http://www.twitter.com/djmany My Wikipage Was Wrongfully Deleted This Time. There Are Also New Articles About Me In Inc. Magazine And The Business Journal. [[User:DJ Many56|DJ Many56]] ([[User talk:DJ Many56|talk]]) 02:02, 23 May 2016 (UTC)


== Your speedy deletion of [[S. Q. R. Ilyas]] ==
== Your speedy deletion of [[S. Q. R. Ilyas]] ==

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On the Wight

Hi. I am surprised to see that you deleted the On the Wight article I created earlier today, citing CSD and specifically A7. This implies that you did not believe the article gave any indication as to why the topic was significant or important. I was especially surprised as I made sure to cite a source which clearly supported the article's own claim to significance (a national award for hyperlocal journalism). Whether the subject itself is notable was irrelevant - it should not have been speedily deleted under WP:CSD#A7 as it contained the claim of notability. Please could you undelete the article as soon as possible. --Peeky44 What's on your mind? 20:12, 11 May 2016 (UTC)

  • It struck me as slovenly - you had written the absolute minimum that might pass muster as an article. You could not even manage to link to it!! Reluctantly restored to User:Peeky44/sandbox and please keep French drafts to the French Wikipedia. — RHaworth (talk · contribs) 13:47, 12 May 2016 (UTC)

Yes, I had written the minimum - mainly because I have various calls on my time and editing WP is a hobby for which I do not have infinite time. You seem to have forgotten that the process is collaborative: I may write the minimum in one case, but significantly expand another article. Meanwhile another editor may well expand the article I started. You claim that I didn't link to it, but if you cared to look at the "What Links Here" for On the Wight you would have seen two articles did link to it, including one which I had spent several hours adding a significant section to. Either way, using Speedy Deletion out of process is extremely damaging to WP and has tripled my workload in creating this article. I had hoped to find a more positive response to my message, but given your self-confessed reluctance to adhere to proper procedure I fear I shall have to draw this to the attention of WP:DRV. -- Peeky44 What's on your mind? 08:10, 15 May 2016 (UTC)

  • Peeky44, to explain my "link to it" remark: you could not even manage to add to the On the Wight article an external link to the On the Wight website. Surely you would admit that such a link was part of the minimum requirements of such an article? — RHaworth (talk · contribs) 16:22, 16 May 2016 (UTC)

OceanDocs

Mr Haworth you have deleted my article on OceanDocs, a repository on ocean science publications hosted by the Intergovernmental Oceanographic Commission (a Unesco agency). This was unexpected since I submitted an original and then a revision. Your rejection says "because it is unambiguous advertising". How can I change my straightforward description of a free global information product promoting open access to scholarly publications in the marine sciences for researchers in developing countries, so that it does not sound like advertising to you? What is the text that makes you say it is advertising rather than outreach? — Oceandocs (talk) 01:05, 15 May 2016 (UTC)

  • Kindly have the decency to wait until someone with no COI thinks your docs are notable and writes about them here. — RHaworth (talk · contribs) 16:22, 16 May 2016 (UTC)

Saw this was deleted as a "hoax". I'm no huge fan of micronation articles, but I feel I must note that this survived an AfD as recently as 2013, Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Republic of Molossia (2nd nomination). It has been the subject of news coverage [1], [2], [3], [4]. It seems a new AfD is required, I don't know if the content had recently been changed to suggest its a real country, which everyone knows it is not.--Milowenthasspoken 12:53, 16 May 2016 (UTC)

  • Restored. The speedy tag had been applied by a misguided IP address. The article was patently not an hoax. — RHaworth (talk · contribs) 16:22, 16 May 2016 (UTC)

Hoary

In case some passerby accuses me of wheel-warring, I've undone the deletion of Hoary. It was a dab page turned into a soft redirect that was blanked for some reason. Not a valid CSD candidate. — Xezbeth (talk) 20:47, 16 May 2016 (UTC)

Hello ))

Why you deleted my article ? The importance of which you said, and there was? — ITPRO.UZ (talk) 11:08, 17 May 2016 (UTC)

Understand)) — ITPRO.UZ (talk) 12:21, 17 May 2016 (UTC)

Category deletion

Hey! Category:Wikipedia featured list removal candidates is a maintenance category for WP:FLRC, i.e. it should be {{Empty category}}. For example, Talk:List of tallest buildings in Austin, Texas has been recently nominated for FLRC. It seems it shouldn't be deleted unless I'm missing some deprecation discussion somewhere. Cheers. —  HELLKNOWZ  ▎TALK 11:17, 17 May 2016 (UTC)

Rodan questions

Regarding the recent deletion of the Katie Rodan article in which you cited " ‎(G4: Recreation of a page that was deleted per a deletion discussion, Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Katie Rodan)", the closing editor stated, "No prejudice to article recreation should a better sourced neutral tone article that contains no original research to be recreated about her that is inline with our policies." Did you review the article and references before deleting? Hmlarson (talk) 19:21, 17 May 2016 (UTC)

  • I was the speedy tagger. I'd forgotten that the closing admin at the AfD left room for recreation. I'm not certain the article was at a point it overcame the promotional issues, but it was certainly better and I don't think that I should have tagged it as a G4. Hobit (talk) 00:59, 18 May 2016 (UTC)

@RHaworth: Considering this, are you opposed to re-publishing the article? Hmlarson (talk) 05:30, 18 May 2016 (UTC)

  • You do not ping me on this page! It is for use when you talk about me elsewhere. Yes, I probably am opposed But why ask me? Since it is at draft:Katie Rodan, submit it and see what happens. — RHaworth (talk · contribs) 15:15, 18 May 2016 (UTC)

Promotional?

I'm in the middle of explaining to the user concerned that a one-sentence stub Gunda (1969 film) is not promotional ... but I see you've deleted it G-11. Really? PamD 12:33, 18 May 2016 (UTC)

I see now there are sockpuppet issues. I know I've seen the habit of bolding every mention of 'Asha Bosle before, as in Dil Aur Mohabbat, but can't find just which editor was doing it. PamD 12:48, 18 May 2016 (UTC)

Ah, it was the same editor: my comment here. PamD 12:51, 18 May 2016 (UTC)

  • There is just a remote possibility that Magipur (talk · contribs) might turn into a useful editor. So I could even claim that I am doing them a favour by forcing them to make a clean start. — RHaworth (talk · contribs) 15:15, 18 May 2016 (UTC)

Corada

Corada is a database of information regarding federal, state, and local laws in the US related to accessibility. The wiki page was created yesterday and it was deleted. I need access to that so I can make the changes necessary. In the meantime, please feel free to learn more about Corada because it is an important database for ADA related content. — Preceding unsigned comment added by AnnKC (talkcontribs) 14:55, 18 May 2016 (UTC)

  • If and only if you have no COI, feel free to create a properly referenced version of the article. Text emailed. — RHaworth (talk · contribs) 15:15, 18 May 2016 (UTC)

Re: B.I.G Wiki page

Hi, you recently deleted the wiki band page for B.I.G which i created. I realise that I did not include enough relevant information and according context in the initial article, so I have therefore extended on it. This band had no other useful information source prior to me creating this page, which is why I decided that since they are growing in popularity I would help make more easily accessible information about them. I have asked a small fan group if they would find a wikipedia article on the group to be of use and they have all said it is a great idea. I can confirm that I have used and will continue to use reliable sources to create this page and that it is and can be of great use to current fans, new fans and non-fans alike. So in conclusion I ask you to please undo the deletion of this page or revoke it from being protected or ideally make me an admin for the page. Thanks. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Abdotorg (talkcontribs) 15:30, 18 May 2016 (UTC)

Hi RHaworth, I am more than happy to wait but I should note that the B.I.G page I created was not in regards to me, my band, or anything in that aspect. It was made entirely about a group that I have no connection to, so i made sure the article therefore contained no bias whatsoever. Thanks again, If there is anything else I can do about it please do let me know. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Abdotorg (talkcontribs) 12:24, 20 May 2016 (UTC)

Hello , RHaworth, can you explain to me why you deleted my page? Moreover can you assist me in making it so when I recreate the page it won't be deleted again? — Jklm264 (talk) 16:28, 18 May 2016 (UTC)

(re-)creating Mr. Lee (Producer)

Hello there RHaworth i was reading into the logs and saw that you have deleted a page that i recently created. The subject Mr. Lee (Producer) a Texas hip hop producer of over 20 years. In 2015 i see there was a page created with no references and went into discussion that lead into it being deleted. I am a new guy on the block here so i would like to see what references are valued by the Wiki Community. I have provided a few links from high ranking sites that are valued to the hip hop community. Perhaps you can share your feedback? Thank you for your time! — Tx817dfw (talk) 17:02, 18 May 2016 (UTC)

Latexxx Teens

Could you please explain me why you delete Latexxx Teens page??? The article Latexxx Teens you deleted today with the voice A7 it was about a band active since 2003 with 4 albums released by record labels of which there are Russian, japanese, European editions. Latexxx Teens toured all around europe and collaborated with big artist you keep on Wikipedia. On Wikipedia is not difficoult to find band with similar popularity such as the following: Zaraza, it:Schizo and Vigilante_(band). So I really don't understand why you deleted my article. Please, I really would like to understand what I did wrong with the article and what I can do to restore the page. I was about to add references... maybe is this the problem? Hope to read soon from you. Thank you very much CC — Preceding unsigned comment added by Cristiano Copat (talkcontribs) 19:22, 18 May 2016 (UTC)

Quadruplicate

By co-incidence, I have received four consecutive "why did you delete" messages all of which demand the same reply. So Abdotorg through Cristiano Copat, kindly have the decency to wait until someone with no COI thinks that you, your band, etc. is notable and writes about it here. — RHaworth (talk · contribs) 15:16, 19 May 2016 (UTC)

ICIMAF - deleted?

Hi Roger, you deleted my article on ICIMAF claiming that it is promotional. However, ICIMAF is a higher education in Havana with a long tradiation and should be in the usual list of universities/research institutes of cuba. The article was modelled exactly like ones for other higher education institutions in cuba and did not include any advertising or promotion. How can we recreate it? Thanks. Blubb013 — Preceding unsigned comment added by Blubb013 (talkcontribs) 07:31, 19 May 2016 (UTC)

Speedy deletion query

I see that you have deleted Ṭawīl under speedy deletion criterion A7, but the article was about a poetic meter, not a real person, individual animal, organization, web content, or organized event, so it does not qualify. Also, it took me only a matter of seconds to find sources, such as http://www.iranicaonline.org/articles/bahr-e-tawil-type-of-persian-verse. Is there any reason the article should not be restored? The editor who uses the pseudonym "JamesBWatson" (talk) 10:32, 19 May 2016 (UTC)

I am even more puzzled by your deletion of Kāmil, where you gave the reason as "vandalism". What made you think it was vandalism? The editor who uses the pseudonym "JamesBWatson" (talk) 10:38, 19 May 2016 (UTC)

Well, I am getting more and more bewildered. I see you have moved a whole string of articles all to the same sandbox, thereby merging their histories. Can you explain why you have done that? Are we supposed to unmerge then again if and when they are to be returned to main space? If so, what useful purpose is served by merging them? How is one expected to edit the separate articles while their history is merged, and then separate them out again? I do trust this was done in good faith, but I cannot for the life of me think what constructive purpose this could serve, so I will be very grateful if you can explain it for me. The editor who uses the pseudonym "JamesBWatson" (talk) 10:45, 19 May 2016 (UTC)

Yes, I looked at them very carefully, and I saw that there were various faults in them, the duplication you mention being one. My first step was to decline a number of speedy deletion nominations, given for absurdly inappropriate reasons, including in at least one case "attack page". My next step would have been to have given the editor who created them friendly advice on how to improve them,if you hadn't intervened before I got that far. There are various possible approaches to that, writing one single article and creating redirects being a good one. You are, of course, perfectly free to suggest to the editor that it might be better to combine the text into one article, but whether that editor takes that advice is up to him or her. Even if he or she does choose to take that route, I don't see how merging the histories can possibly hep him or her, and if any other editor wishes to try to help, doing so will make it very difficult, as the connection between the article titles in the Roman alphabet and the Persian text in the articles is lost. I also note you ask me "Have you actually looked at those stubs" but the degree of checking you did before acting is indicated not only by the fact that you thought they were Arabic, even after I had given you a reference the URL of which contains both "iran" and "persian", but also by the fact that you deleted two of the articles without even checking whether they satisfied the speedy deletion criteria which you chose to accept. (I am assuming good faith there: I hope you didn't delete them knowing full well that you were using criteria which didn't qualify, because you just didn't like the articles.) The editor who uses the pseudonym "JamesBWatson" (talk) 11:17, 19 May 2016 (UTC)

  • Given that each stub uses the word Arabic twice, Arab once and Persian not an all, I think I was totally justified in suggesting a title of Arabic metres. I very much hope that Elhorrih will come back and complete the task but I fear it will not happen - not specifically because of anything that you or I have done but because we have pushed the task beyond the boundaries of this person's editorial abilities. — RHaworth (talk · contribs) 15:16, 19 May 2016 (UTC)

It is not a hoax! Friking nazi — Preceding unsigned comment added by 199.197.78.230 (talk) 19:34, 19 May 2016 (UTC)

DYK for RV Cefas Endeavour

On 20 May 2016, Did you know was updated with a fact from the article RV Cefas Endeavour, which you recently created, substantially expanded, or brought to good article status. The fact was ... that when Cefas' RV Cefas Endeavour (pictured) performed a marine biology survey of the east coast of England, it also found Exmoor? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/RV Cefas Endeavour. You are welcome to check how many page hits the article got while on the front page (here's how, RV Cefas Endeavour), and it may be added to the statistics page if the total is over 5,000. Finally, if you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please feel free to suggest it on the Did you know talk page.

Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 00:01, 20 May 2016 (UTC)

Deletion review for GeForce GTX 1070

An editor has asked for a deletion review of GeForce GTX 1070. Because you closed the deletion discussion for this page, speedily deleted it, or otherwise were interested in the page, you might want to participate in the deletion review. SSTflyer 05:44, 20 May 2016 (UTC)

Oscar's block and ANI

FYI: Wikipedia:Administrators'_noticeboard/Incidents#More_out_of_control_legalism_from_Stefan2. I see this as one of the worst bits of BITEY maladminstration I've seen in ages. — Andy Dingley (talk) 18:17, 20 May 2016 (UTC)

Why was M Abdurahman Salafi speedy deleted? Sam Sailor Talk! 18:27, 20 May 2016 (UTC)

  • @RHaworth: Pardon, but I believe Sam Sailor's concern about that speedy is that the editor who took the article to AFD on the 16th[5], was himself the person who tagged it on the 19th with an A7[6]... even after sources were offered at the AFD. And even after that nominator had himself removed content, the stub did make a sourced assertion of notability. IE: "Islamic scholar, a famous orator, & director of Jamia Nadwiyya Edavanna". I might guess that he did so because the AFD was not supporting his nomination. I ask that you revert the speedy and have the article returned to AFD for further discussion. Thanks. Schmidt, Michael Q. 23:05, 22 May 2016 (UTC)

Bigg Lyte (Rapper)

Looks like Bigg Lyte was recreated as Bigg Lyte (Rapper). — Wgolf (talk) 19:45, 20 May 2016 (UTC)

Hi! Rama and I have worked with the subject of this article on image releases for Commons, and he has asked us whether we could prevent his article from getting deleted. We told him that decision was not ours to make, and that we were not sure whether he meets the notability requirements – on one hand, previous AfD discussions reached the conclusion that the subject did not meet the notability threshold, on the other hand, however, the most recent version included significant improvements by Ocaasi. The article was tagged as a recreation of a previously deleted article, which it definitely was, yet we would appreciate it if you could take a closer look at the improvements to the article and decide whether there is a chance that notability has been established in the most recent version of the article. Whatever your decision will be, thanks in advance for your consideration. —    FDMS  4    20:27, 20 May 2016 (UTC)

  • The most recent AfD discussion was little more than a year ago - has he actually become notable since then? I will admit that the version I deleted seems to have more references and a significant amount of non-CoI input.
There is what I consider a serious deficiency in the WikiMedia software such that when Huon moved page Emanuel Thomas to DJ Many he received no indication that he was moving to a title which has been deleted numerous times and that by doing the move he was cancelling a page protection. I am going to seek a second opinion on this and say: if Huon (talk · contribs) thinks the version I deleted is OK then he is free to restore it and I will stand back and see what happens. — RHaworth (talk · contribs) 15:05, 21 May 2016 (UTC)
I was aware of the previous history of the page; I moved the article, which had been accepted at WP:AfC, to a more appropriate title. The article itself, however, was anything but OK, and I'm rather embarassed that despite being familiar with it I edited it without noticing the problems. It one-sidedly took DJ Many's point of view, used promotional language, cited unreliable sources and misrepresented more reliable ones. It was a BLP nightmare, particularly since it included claims about Greg Hardy that may well have been libelous. DJ Many may be notable, but we'd need a new article by people not associated with DJ Many, who by the way is blocked on Wikipedia and is routinely evading the block to have his page and related articles say what he wants them to. If there's an IP editing the page, chances are it's him. Huon (talk) 15:21, 21 May 2016 (UTC)
I Would Like My Page Restored, I Am Notable. I Meet The Entertainers Standard Of Notability. 2. Has a large fan base or a significant "cult" following. I Have Over A Million Followers On Twitter Now. http://www.twitter.com/djmany My Wikipage Was Wrongfully Deleted This Time. There Are Also New Articles About Me In Inc. Magazine And The Business Journal. DJ Many56 (talk) 02:02, 23 May 2016 (UTC)

Your speedy deletion of S. Q. R. Ilyas

I note that you have just speedily deleted the above article on grounds of copywrite violation. I had just been looking at this issue myself, having had it brought to my attention by Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/S. Q. R. Ilyas, and the apparently offending text in the article had been there for nearly four years while the claimed source is only three months old. Copying was therefore in the other direction.

I would therefore request that you restore the article and let the AfD run its course. While the article as it stood certainly did not establish notability, there were just about sufficient claims there that any interested editors should be enoouraged to search for reliable sources. — PWilkinson (talk) 11:17, 21 May 2016 (UTC)

  • Restored. An AfD discussion sometimes spurs people into action and an article gets improved to an acceptable level during the course of the discussion. We will see if it happens in this case. — RHaworth (talk · contribs) 15:05, 21 May 2016 (UTC)

Still cruising

I have been indefinitely banned as PCruiser (talk · contribs) and am surely not incompetent. I agree you have some agenda maybe even agency; but I reserve the right to contribute without damages and deflamation. My character is clear. And in lieu of other banned nominations I suggest that you remove your confidence from mine. I channel my focus to more matterable topic and your self interest? -- Adolescentfiction (talk) 18:30, 21 May 2016 (UTC)

I was also banned as Networkccc (talk · contribs) editing nonsense and would like you to consider reopening my namespace. My accounting is not of a vagrency but subordination. I am now considering crying. -- Adolescentfiction (talk) 18:35, 21 May 2016 (UTC)

Although I was accused of suspected sock puppets I have never transcluded my userpage in such to support my indefinite banned removal from namespace as Metlifecc (talk · contribs). This repetition is ridiculousness and of error. Please be more careful. -- Adolescentfiction (talk) 18:39, 21 May 2016 (UTC)

  • Thank you for confirming your sock puppetry. — RHaworth (talk · contribs) 19:56, 22 May 2016 (UTC)

Young Nest-possible SPI's behind this article

So the article Young Nest was recreated-which I believe was done by a sockpuppet as well. Might want to salt this article. Wgolf (talk) 20:15, 22 May 2016 (UTC)

Deletetion of the Railway Information Systems

I am sorry for the incorrect information for the Railway Information Systems page but there was a link on the Japan Railways Group that redirected to this page. (CLICK HERE to go to page) It is a division of a railway company in Japan. If you have any other information about the page ADD IT. Leoleoueno27 (talk) 23:39, 22 May 2016 (UTC)