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November 3

Movie about a mental institution

Trying to find the name of a late 1970's or early 1980's movie about a mental institution. This doctor get killed by an ax from one of the patients & the head nurse takes over the care of the patients. We find out later, that the head nurse is actually a patient as well. That's all I can remember of the movie. GoodDay (talk) 05:05, 3 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Films set in psychiatric hospitals would be a good place for you to start your research. --Viennese Waltz 07:59, 3 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Possibly The Forgotten (1973 film). Nanonic (talk) 07:59, 3 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks Nanonic, that's the movie. Haven't seen it in over 30 years. GoodDay (talk) 14:12, 3 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]

As a point of interest Archive.org claims the film has lapsed into public domain, and has a copy of the uncensored version of the film here.

Strange movie. ApLundell (talk) 16:13, 3 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Ok, thanks. GoodDay (talk) 16:26, 3 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Ivan Locke

On the internet I read a review of the movie Locke, whose title character Ivan Locke is played by Tom Hardy (not related to me, as far as I know). The review said Ivan Locke's flaw was his belief that every problem can be solved by drawing a circle around it. I wrote to the reviewer with some questions, and got a reply that said he thought that metaphor was actually in the movie; it was not his own. I saw the movie before reading that review and I don't remember that.

Can anyone confirm or deny that the metaphor was there in the film and tell me the context, i.e. how did that bit of conversation go? Michael Hardy (talk) 21:33, 3 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]

I found a (almost certainly illegal) copy of the script with Google.

If this dubious script is accurate then the conversation appears when he's talking to his father.

Silence.  Ivan drives on. A minute goes by.  Then he can’t 
help himself and speaks softly to the rear view mirror...
                      IVAN LOCKE 
           You think this is all fate don’t 
           you dad?  Your dirty fucking finger 
           prints all over me.    
           
           It was bound to happen because of 
           the little seeds you planted.  
           Well, let me educate you.  Let me 
           teach you something. 
           Even no matter what the situation 
           is, you can make it good.  Like 
           with plaster and brick.  You never 
           knew that because you never fucking 
           lifted a finger you lazy cunt but 
           you can take a situation and draw a 
           circle around it and find a way to 
           work something out.

Hate to trust a document of unknown providence like that, and I won't link it here because it's a copyvio, but without watching the film again, that's probably the best you can get. ApLundell (talk) 22:06, 3 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Is this Ivan Locke or his father who said this? Michael Hardy (talk) 01:05, 4 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]

It is Ivan Locke, speaking to his father. I've expanded the quote to make that clear. ApLundell (talk) 05:05, 4 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]

PS: "providence" and "provenance" are two different words. Michael Hardy (talk) 01:05, 4 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Well, I've never been to Rhode Island. So, it's unknown to me. ApLundell (talk) 05:05, 4 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]

@ApLundell: Thank you. Michael Hardy (talk) 04:36, 5 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]

November 5

Question about stadium names on Wikipedia

I'm not sure if this question belongs here, on the help desk, or on WikiProject Sports talkpage, but for a number of years I've been wondering: how come in articles about American and Canadian arenas and stadiums, the article title is moved every time the name of the stadium changes, while for stadiums in the rest of the world (particularly in Europe or Australia), the article title is generally at whatever the "traditional" name of the stadium is, regardless of any naming rights deals (i.e. City of Manchester Stadium rather than Etihad Stadium, Westfalenstadion rather than Signal Iduna Park, etc.)? I had been looking for the relevant Manual of Style or discussion pages but I couldn't seem to find anything relevant. Narutolovehinata5 ^tccsdnew 10:01, 5 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Does it matter as long as the redirects end up at the page the article is at? -- SGBailey (talk) 10:55, 5 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]

WP:COMMONNAME is the relevant policy, although each article will be decided on a case-by-case basis. The starting point is the name used by reliable sources - the current policy wording is "If the sources written after the change is announced routinely use the new name, Wikipedia should follow suit and change relevant titles to match." However, consensus for a particular article may be to stay with the "traditional" name - the article talk page is the place for such discussion. Tevildo (talk) 11:47, 5 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you for that explanation, Tevildo. You pre-empted precisely the answer I came here give. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 12:59, 5 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Once a venue no longer exists, the name will tend to revert to the most common name during its timespan. One example is Sportsman's Park in St. Louis, which for its last dozen years of existence was "Busch Stadium", but is now generally referred to by its traditional name. ←Baseball Bugs ^{What's up, Doc?} carrots→ 13:45, 5 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Generally in my observations, it seems that both the American and Canadian sports media are quick to use the most up-to-date stadium name as soon as it is changed, while the sports media in Europe and Australia seem slower or are more hesitant. Hence, the primary reasons for those page moves. Zzyzx11 (talk) 21:41, 5 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]

How many European venues are "sponsored" names? A lot of the American stadiums are sponsored, and that could be a factor - especially among the newer ones which haven't really been around long enough to have a "traditional" name. ←Baseball Bugs ^{What's up, Doc?} carrots→ 22:20, 5 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Naming rights suggest it's quite common for stadiums to have naming rights deals in various places outside the US including "Germany, where 8 of the 10 largest football stadiums have their naming rights sold to corporate sponsors"; whether or not these stadiums are commonly referred to by these names.

It's possible the practice is more recent outside the US but no info on the history outside the US is given.

As also mentioned there, quite a lot of major sporting events require stadiums are sponsorship free which generally also means the stadium can't be referred to without any corporate sponsor name (although if the sponsor also sponsors the event I guess they may be able to make part of it keeping the sponsored stadium name). While this applies to the US as well, the olympics are perhaps the only such events which are a big deal there so it potentially arises less often. (And in the recent past at least, it's generally been expected that many of the stadiums for the olympics are new or at least majorly renovated even in developed countries. ^{[citation needed]})

Note the article provides some details of opposition to naming rights of stadiums in the US. One factor mentioned is it tends to be more successful with newer stadiums particularly when they've had the rights from the beginning. I don't believe this is restricted to the US. So it may also be there are more such venues in the US perhaps because of sports demands and government subsidies [1]. (This does happen outside the US as well, although this tends to be for the aforementioned major sporting events. I don't think many of the ads or practices highlighted in the earlier video would work very well in many places outside the US.) ^{[citation needed]}

Nil Einne (talk) 16:02, 7 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]

OP: Here's a requested move for the City of Manchester Stadium from a couple of years ago. Lugnuts ^{Fire Walk with Me} 12:40, 7 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]

November 6

oldies in TV series promos

I remember hearing some oldies songs in promos for Call to Glory. Could anyone identify what they were and who sang them, please? Thank you.2604:2000:7113:9D00:A8BB:C495:F9F6:636D (talk) 02:20, 6 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Hey, there. I just watched a half dozen or so TV promos of the show on YouTube. None with songs in them; just theme music for the show itself. Could you perhaps link to promos that reference oldies? Thanks. Maineartists (talk) 13:24, 6 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]

November 7

Thomas & Friends -- originally by Kipling???

Just how much did Thomas & Friends directly borrow from Rudyard Kipling's short story ".007"? Because I've compared the two, and I see a yuge amount of similarity, especially regarding the characters: .007 = Thomas (although he's a 4-4-0 "American", whereas Thomas is a 0-6-0 side-tank engine); the overhead traveling-crane (barely mentioned) = Kevin; the rude Mogul = Gordon (although Gordon is a Gresley 4-6-2 "Pacific"); the visiting PRR Consolidation = Spencer (both are visitors, and both are equally arrogant); "Pony" the yard hog = Percy; the NJ commuter engine = James (a rather tenuous comparison because the NJ commuter is only a very minor character and not well-developed, but he is described as having "very shiny brake shoes", meaning they are worn out, whereas James has wooden brake shoes which are grossly inadequate); the Boston compound = Henry (although she is described as female, whereas Henry is male and is also a simple-expansion engine, but they're both equally sickly and also rather pompous); the stationmaster = Sir Topham Hatt; the Purple Emperor = the City of Truro (both are very fast engines, and both are down-to-earth). Also the main plot of ".007" is very similar to 2 early episodes of Thomas & Friends, "Thomas Gets Tricked" and "Thomas Saves the Day"; and there are other similarities as well: the NJ commuter at one point threatens to snap off his parlor car (whereas in "James Learns a Lesson", James actually does damage one of his coaches) because it "hauls worse than a snowplow" (whereas in "Terence the Tractor", the snowplow is described as "heavy and uncomfortable"); freight cars are describes as troublesome and frolicsome in ".007", just as they are in Thomas & Friends; in ".007", Pony mentions a "surface-railroad loco" (whereas in Thomas & Friends, there actually are 2 such -- Toby and Mavis); at one point, .007 is afraid of being at the edge of the water on the ferryboat pier (whereas in "Percy Takes the Plunge", Percy actually goes over the edge); and also, at one point the Mogul insults .007 by calling him a "coffeepot" (whereas in Thomas & Friends, the roster actually includes a coffeepot named Glynn). Not to mention that singing is also a significant part of both: in ".007", there are 3 songs (the stationmaster's song, the Purple Emperor's song, and the song of the breakdown crew), whereas in Thomas & Friends, many episodes include various songs ("Pop Goes the Diesel", "How I Love to Be By the Sea", etc., etc.) So, did all these things come from Kipling, or was it merely a coincidence? 2601:646:8E01:7E0B:B9F4:7CD7:EC0A:69F7 (talk) 03:55, 7 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]

There is a fairly old letter in The Guardian [2] which suggests there might be some link, and refers to a book that you might try and look up. However, unless you can actually find something which says that Awdry had read the Kipling story (and I can't) it would be difficult to prove any connection. Wymspen (talk) 12:34, 7 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Wymspen, the OP asked about Thomas & Friends the TV series. If Awdry was inspired by Kipling then they should have asked about The Railway Series. CambridgeBayWeather, Uqaqtuq (talk), Sunasuttuq 01:18, 8 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Just a bit too pedantic, I think - the TV programmes are undoubtedly based on the books, so any connection with the Kipling story would have to be through that route. The chance that the TV producers went back to Kipling to borrow things which weren't even in the books seems pretty implausible. Wymspen (talk) 18:12, 8 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]

I'm not so sure. Some of the things the OP mentioned are not in the books. CambridgeBayWeather, Uqaqtuq (talk), Sunasuttuq 15:42, 9 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Glynn is not in the books, but all the other things are -- I checked. 2601:646:8E01:7E0B:0:0:0:EA04 (talk) 02:50, 10 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Christopher Awdry is still alive. Maybe he could be asked? ←Baseball Bugs ^{What's up, Doc?} carrots→ 02:09, 8 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Professional wheelchair basketball league in the US

There was brief mention in various media during 2016 about plans to establish a professional wheelchair basketball league in the United States, set to launch in 2017. I have not found anything published this year, so what went wrong? I've just started the Wheelchair basketball in the United States article, so I'm looking for source material to improve it. Sources:

Belton, Andrew C. (August 23, 2016). "Professional Wheelchair Basketball League Coming to the United States in 2017". Business 2 Community. Retrieved 7 November 2017.
"WATCH: Professional Wheelchair Basketball League (PWBL) Promo". SLAMonline. 17 August 2016. Retrieved 7 November 2017.

This, unfortunately undated, blog suggests a lack of media exposure and negative public attitudes are a problem,

Martin, Ryan. "Can Professional Wheelchair Basketball Exist in the United States?". numotion.com. Retrieved 7 November 2017.

BTW, several such leagues exist in Europe. Roger (Dodger67) (talk) 20:02, 7 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]

I've been to games by The Triangle Thunder, a local team here in Raleigh, NC. Don't know much more about them or their league, but hopefully that's a start for you. --Jayron 32 11:37, 8 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks Jayron32, they are a NWBA Division III team, the lowest division for adult teams and definitely amateur. If there was a currently active professional league they would be recruiting players from NWBA Division I, not Division III. Roger (Dodger67) (talk) 16:30, 8 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]

November 8

Help identifying a possible Hendrix bootleg?

I've been having this running debate with a friend over whether or not this [3] is in fact a recording of Hendrix. He claims that it's actually Herman Hitson. I don't buy it. For one thing, based on all of the recordings I've heard of Hitson, not one of them demonstrates either the style or prowess found in the lead-guitar playing in this recording. The rhythm guitar, however, does sound like some of Hitson's other stuff. On the other hand, the lead-guitar here seems to me to be signature Hendrix; the phrasing, style, and flair is unmistakable and even numerous examples of licks used by Hendrix from his known recordings can be heard throughout. Of course it's just my opinion over his, so I'm wondering if this debate could be settled by some reliable corroboration one way or another. Any ideas? 172.3.117.214 (talk) 04:29, 8 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]

The consensus seems to be that it's Hitson not Hendrix. See, for example, [4] [5] [6] --Viennese Waltz 08:02, 8 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]

November 10

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 :::Just a bit too pedantic, I think - the TV programmes are undoubtedly based on the books, so any connection with the Kipling story would have to be through that route. The chance that the TV producers went back to Kipling to borrow things which weren't even in the books seems pretty implausible. [[User:Wymspen|Wymspen]] ([[User talk:Wymspen|talk]]) 18:12, 8 November 2017 (UTC)
 ::::I'm not so sure. Some of the things the OP mentioned are not in the books. [[User:CambridgeBayWeather|CambridgeBayWeather]], [[User talk:CambridgeBayWeather|Uqaqtuq (talk)]], [[Special:Contributions/CambridgeBayWeather|Sunasuttuq]] 15:42, 9 November 2017 (UTC)
+:::::Glynn is not in the books, but all the other things are -- I checked. [[Special:Contributions/2601:646:8E01:7E0B:0:0:0:EA04|2601:646:8E01:7E0B:0:0:0:EA04]] ([[User talk:2601:646:8E01:7E0B:0:0:0:EA04|talk]]) 02:50, 10 November 2017 (UTC)
 :[[Christopher Awdry]] is still alive. Maybe he could be asked? ←[[User:Baseball Bugs|Baseball Bugs]] <sup>''[[User talk:Baseball Bugs|What's up, Doc?]]''</sup> [[Special:Contributions/Baseball_Bugs|carrots]]→ 02:09, 8 November 2017 (UTC)