Talk:Katy Perry

Semi-protected edit request on 2 January 2018

Hello--

In the intro of this article when you talk about Witness at the end of paragraph 2, it should be mentioned that it debuted #1 . I know you mention it further down on the page but its an important piece of information to reiterate for people who need a quick snapshot of the significant details. It is mentioned in almost all other artists' first few paragraph summaries when talking about their most recent works, why not Katy's? It would be nice to keep the consistency.

Under the "2013–2015: Prism and Super Bowl XLIX halftime show" subheading, you should note that Katy entertained 2 million fans throughout the Prismatic World Tour .

In the "2016–present" subheading, it should be noted that Witness has accumulated over 2 billion global streams since release . It would also be greatly appreciated if you mention that Witness World Wide was critically acclaimed, as it was named one of the Top 10 Television Shows of 2017 by Time .

Lastly, I believe that there should be some sort of Impact or Legacy tab for Katy. If for some reason you decide not to, at least use the information I provided in some way. Despite how one may feel towards her, she does have a legacy and it is Wikipedia's obligation to keep things non-bias. If needed, I can provide some basics for you to potentially utilize:

Katy is one of the best-selling music artists with over 129.3 million certified units sold worldwide. Some of her singles including Dark Horse, Firework, Roar, and I Kissed A Girl are also among the best-selling worldwide. Spawning nine #1s through three albums is legacy worthy. Throughout three albums, she's tied with Janet Jackson with 33 weeks at #1.

Katy is one of the largest living forces on social media with over 245,576,549 combined followers across channels . Her impact doesn't go unnoticed, as Time named her among the 25 Most Influential People on the Internet .

In a 2011 Women's Impact Report by Variety, Katy was named "Billboard’s Queen of Pop" . Billboard Magazine named Katy the "New Queen of Pop" in the July 31, 2010 issue of the magazine. In a 2015 article, Christopher Rosa of VH1 described Teenage Dream as "The Most Important Pop Album Of The Last 10 Years" . The legacy Katy left behind with Teenage Dream is undeniable. In an interview with Billboard, it was said that "Katy gave a soundtrack to a generation and provided music that clearly defined the spirit of the American public in those years" .

Both Teenage Dream and Prism were named among the Greatest of All Time Billboard 200 Albums by Women . Additionally, Dark Horse was named among the Greatest of All Time Hot 100 Songs . Katy is considered to be a hitmaker, as she is recognized as the #4 Greatest Pop Songs Artist of All Time with only 4 studio albums under her belt (Katy Hudson is not recognized by Billboard). The Frisky credits Katy with resurrecting pop from the early aughts doldrums and serving "the freshest pop anthems since Mariah" . Four songs by Katy are featured on Billboard's Greatest of All Time Hot 100 Songs by Women list, which is the most for any artist since Mariah Carey who has six songs featured on the list . Itsevren (talk) 15:42, 2 January 2018 (UTC)--Itsevren (talk) 18:09, 2 January 2018 (UTC)

Partly done: Added first two sub-requests, left the rest for discussion. @Itsevren:, this is a really, really large edit request and the whole "legacy/impact" section you'd like to add needs discussion and to gain consensus form other editors before it's added. You are almost able to edit this page yourself, so I suggest that you wait a week until you get autoconfirmed and discuss adding this yourself. Good luck. Eggishorn (talk) (contrib) 18:31, 2 January 2018 (UTC)

Regarding the other points:

• Album streams are probably better for the Witness album article if anywhere, though I'm not convinced they're worth mentioning when it's not like she had any record with its total.
• The Time TV Shows list is actually talking about her Witness World Wide live-stream, and doesn't even mention the tour. While that ranking could perhaps be included in the page, I'm not sure whether it's better for the "Witness and American Idol" section or "Public Image" (which mentions its "Most Influential People on the Internet" ranking along with Twitter stats). Either way, I'll add that link for social media totals into "Public image" as the fourth highest combined number is quite a feat (seems OK when it's run by RIAA).
• We need sources specifically indicating the songs you've mentioned are among the globe's best-sellers in order to mention such a claim (preferably including worldwide totals).
• As for a legacy section, Katy making the "Most Influential People on the Internet" list certainly makes the case for having one stronger than it otherwise would be (particuarly before Witness was released). Like Eggishorn said, though, such a section would first need consensus to include, especially given how the idea was previously rejected for insufficient evidence of having a societal/industrial impact. While I personally would prefer something along the lines of "defined the spirit of the American public" influence to come from someone that wasn't from Capitol Records (who is naturally inclined to praise her given the positive relationship she has with the label), that could also be used if such a section is in fact warranted. I'd like further input from other editors before starting that up. If using VH1, then what we should highlight is how it said Teenage Dream "surged a brand of silliness into the dance genre that had been dominated by Lady Gaga's Fame Monster edge" and "brought the sun out", adding "For the first time that year, we could finally roll down our windows and enjoy a warm, no-pretense breeze. A rare, simple pleasure." and later "made pop music both fun and harmless" as well as how "it completely influenced the wave of plastic robo-dance fare that soon followed". While that article from "The Frisky" definitely argues she's a big musical influence that deserves to be taken more seriously, I don't know if that's overall considered a legitimate publication. It might be worth taking the site to WP:Reliable sources/Noticeboard where others could assess its accuracy levels as a whole. In any case, keep in mind that a musician's legacy section is supposed to talk about how one influenced/impacted society and/or the music industry, and shouldn't just be a collection of praise or chart/sales stats. The "Queen of Pop" dubs don't really demonstrate that. Those "Greatest" rankings Billboard gives could fit well within the "Achievements" section. Unless someone else has a better idea of where to place these, I'll probably add them in there.
• It already is mentioned in the lead and "Achievements" section how she's one of the world's best-selling artists along with US certifications (which include streams). Given how many (if not all) music markets include streaming in their certifications these days, it's hard to tell how many of those are actual sales and how many are streaming equivalent units.

Thank you for the points brought up, and I can already say you've helped improve the article. Snuggums (talk / edits) 22:32, 2 January 2018 (UTC)

UPDATE: I've now added the Billboard "Greatest" lists mentioned here to the "achievements" section as I can't think of any better place for them to be and there doesn't seem to be any objections to that over other sections. Snuggums (talk / edits) 04:53, 4 January 2018 (UTC)

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Infobox image

Katy Perry has drastically altered her appearance for her current era and I feel it might be helpful to change to a more recent image to reflect that. Unlike with, for example, someone like Taylor Swift, where a five-year-old picture still seems to be the most suitable due to the subject's appearance not having changed much, I think it could be a good idea to use a more recent picture of Katy in the infobox. Several other versions of Wikipedia use pictures taken on Witness: The Tour on their versions of the article, and I also have other suggestions that, I think, could work as replacements for the current one, which I sorted in a gallery below. (I did not manage to find the archive of the talk page, so I'm not sure if the topic was already covered, and I apologise if a consensus was already reached in the past.)

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  Image used by German-language Wikipedia
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  Other proposition
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  My personal choice

Bizarre Bizarre^{Talk modern to me} 10:07, 14 February 2018 (UTC)

You have a fair point. I personally also feel that your preference (blue suit) is the best choice out if those three pics as it has the best lighting for her face, and will probably implement within the next 24 hours unless there are any objections. Snuggums (talk / edits) 17:15, 14 February 2018 (UTC)

Sorry I forgot about this. Updated accordingly now. Snuggums (talk / edits) 16:04, 17 February 2018 (UTC)

Thank you! I'm glad my suggestion was considered helpful.

The following is an unsigned message by an unregistered user submitted on February 17, 2018 at 17:13 UTC. It was edited in a way that made it look like it was part of my original message and thus like I had written it myself, which I feel makes the discussion unclear and dishonest. I moved it here because I don't feel comfortable having words put in my mouth, but feel free to let me know if there's a better way to fix that problem.

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  Original message by unregistered user: "This is the better choice, please edit the page".

Bizarre Bizarre^{Talk modern to me} 20:48, 17 February 2018 (UTC)

To the IP (186.14.173.20) who suggested the fourth image: Is there anything in particular you feel is better than the one just inserted? I don't have anything against it per se, but would like to know what benefits it has over the other pic. Snuggums (talk / edits) 21:08, 17 February 2018 (UTC)

Hi, i suggested the image, because i don't understand why in the section of "216-present", i not understand why they had to eliminate it and place a picture of Katy taking pictures, doesn't makes sense for the era, the picture that i suggested is the right choice, trust me