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Oleg Maltsev (psychologist)

Do we really have to have so much detailed material in this article, most of which is reporting ad nauseam Maltsev's theories?--Bbb23 (talk) 15:34, 27 October 2019 (UTC)

• Does the pope shit in the woods? No, that article should be gutted, and I saw you got busy with it. The list of references needs to be scrutinized as well, for padding. Have you looked at this? It's a bibliography of works only by our guy. Look at the publishers, and the publishers of those translations: what we seem to have is a cottage industry. One wonders what CESNUR is. I get the feeling someone got themselves a research assistant who produced "Applied Sciences Association: An AnnotatedBibliographyand Filmography of Primary Sources", which is nothing but an annotated list of publications by our subject. The "Memory Institute" is his, of course. In other words, all this stuff is self-published. Drmies (talk) 19:58, 27 October 2019 (UTC)
• Bbb23, it's about as bad as I thought. What this needs, though, is "real" criticism. Someone deflected very cleverly by citing one of the subject's disciples (published in his own journal), who discussed criticism as coming from disgruntled martial arts competitors. This needs some seasoned BLP editors to add content. Drmies (talk) 20:24, 27 October 2019 (UTC)
• Pruning with a chainsaw, I like that. I had planned to do some pruning of the article over the next few days, but it's better if someone else does it, so they can't pin all blame on me. One thing I've learnt over the past few days is that all sources in all articles even remotely connected to Maltsev need to be checked, both to see if they're connected to Maltsev and to see that they really say what they're claimed to say, because most them are, and don't. - Tom | Thomas.W ^talk 20:43, 27 October 2019 (UTC)
  • Well, I like to think I have a scalpel, but you saw I had to go back and forth a bit in places--going through the bibliography closely proved insightful. Bbb23, Thomas.W, I wonder...maybe this guy's article should just be a redirect, with a short paragraph in that article. That martial arts thing, for instance, was a bunch of bullshit anyway. Drmies (talk) 20:47, 27 October 2019 (UTC)
    • IMHO it's better to keep it as a short article, with a short biography, plus a mention of his organisation and the claims by others that they see it as a cult. Notes #1 and #2 in the article are better sources for his academic degrees (2x Candidate of Science, in Psychology plus Philosophy, with the latter specialising in "Religious history") than "Introvigne (2018b)", BTW, since the notes link to official Ukrainian gazettes. They're in Ukrainian, but I have checked them, and they really say that he has two "Kandidat Nauk" degrees. - Tom | Thomas.W ^talk 20:55, 27 October 2019 (UTC)
      • Sure thing, Thomas.W. Thanks for reverting that set of edits. Hey, if you think I removed something I shouldn't have or whatever, by all means correct me. Drmies (talk) 21:59, 27 October 2019 (UTC)
• Fly on the wall comment: I've had several CESNUR-affiliated pages on my watch list for a while without a great idea of what to do with them. Massimo Introvigne seems to have worked out a pretty plum gig where he is both the editor-in-chief AND the author of about 70% of the articles in some issues of CESNUR. Most of the people associated with it CESNUR, are in a weird space where they have a mix of respectable academic work and extremely questionable affiliations. Might be worth editors' time to take a look at some of those other pages along with this one. J. Gordon Melton, Massimo Introvigne and James R. Lewis (scholar) Nblund ^talk 22:53, 27 October 2019 (UTC)
  • Nblund, I just went through the Introvigne article and PRODded a related article. I'm wondering to which extent we have a walled garden here, one which mimics the walled garden you describe in CESNUR. I certainly have some socking suspicions, beyond User talk:DrPoglum and User:42Marco P--maybe someone who does COIs (like User:Smartse) is interested in this as well. Thanks, Drmies (talk) 23:09, 27 October 2019 (UTC)
• I apologize for the intrusion, but you have a very interesting discussion, which I saw from an article about Maltsev and could not pass by. Both of you are right in many respects, the Maltsev group really exists, they really spam a lot, and this is a problem. Although Introvigne is not a member of it, and some of the sources you deleted are not affiliated. I guess there is another problem with this article. Introvigne and Maltsev study religious movements, including the activities of the Russian Orthodox Church to fight religious minorities (for example, the ban on Jehovah's Witnesses in Russia). I investigated this conflict a bit, because several years ago, as the administrator and bureaucrat of the Ukrainian Wikipedia, he gave an interview for the film Orthodox lobby on the Russian Wikipedia, which was filmed by Maltsev’s group. The film turned out quite chaotic and naive, I did not like it. However, it caused very much irritation among the Russian Wikipedians pushing the point of view of the Russian Orthodox Church, which according to the authors of the film are associated with Alexander Dvorkin. After the release of the film, the strain between the Maltsev group and the Dvorkin group intensified even more. By the way, the article Alexander Dvorkin was also written by representatives of the Dvorkin group and based on afflicted sources. Sorry for my English, I partially used Google translator.--Yakudza (talk) 23:19, 27 October 2019 (UTC)
  • Yakudza, no apology necessary--either you are very capable or Google Trans is very good. Let's see how this turns out: I am interested in possible COI experts looking into it, and I'm also wondering if anyone has ever made a map of this Wikipedia:Walled garden. Drmies (talk) 00:06, 28 October 2019 (UTC)
    • I feel it's worth noting that the article about the Municipal Guard (Odessa) (the "hatchet job" article, telling only Maltsev's side of the story, that helped me connect the dots, and find the connection between DrPoglum and Maltsev) on the Ukrainian Wikipedia was created by our new friend Yakudza (a machine translated version of that article as it looked just after being created by Yakudza), before being translated into English and created here by blocked user DrPoglum (the article here as it looked just after being created by DrPoglum). Trying to portray Maltsev and the others as innocent victims of Dvorkin and the Russian Orthodox Church is also a typical Maltsev tactic. - Tom | Thomas.W ^talk 09:07, 28 October 2019 (UTC)
      • The fact that I am the author of the article Municipal Guard on the Ukrainian Wikipedia is not a secret at. I myself reported this yesterday on the article discussion page by setting a template. It was a very high-profile story and all media wrote about it in Odessa and Ukraine in general. Sadly corruption in the state is very strong in Ukraine; Odessa's Gennady Trukhanov is one of the largest corrupt officials in the country. According to a number of Ukrainian deputies, the Municipal Guard is Trukhanov's personal army. It is known throughout the country for attacks on public activists, politicians, businessmen and journalists. The attack on journalists associated with Maltsev is only a small episode. In this episode, criminal cases were opened against employees who attacked journalists. All this in the article is confirmed by links to many independent sources.--Yakudza (talk) 11:08, 28 October 2019 (UTC)
        • According to reliable sources criminal cases have also been opened against Maltsev's group, the article is also very one-sided, leaving out lots of information, such as Maltsev being a partner in "Redut Law Company", where the whole affair started the day before, the journalists that were attacked working for "Public Priboy/Public Surf", belonging to Maltsev, and most of the "Scandals" section being sourced to "Unsolved Crimes", which also is a Maltsev publication. I'm not Ukrainian, have no personal interest in the affair, and didn't know anything about the whole thing until I started looking at the article here on en-WP, but it still took me less than ten minutes to find the connections to Maltsev and see that it was a hatchet job, written to please Maltsev. And I at least expect more of article creators here than that. - Tom | Thomas.W ^talk 12:05, 28 October 2019 (UTC)
          • I wrote an article about the Municipal Guard. Maltsev is not a member of the Municipal Guard, I did not write about him. In my article there are no sources in any way affilative with Maltsev. The article is based solely on independent sources. If you have doubts about any facts in the article Municipal Guard, we can discuss this on the article discussion page.--Yakudza (talk) 13:32, 28 October 2019 (UTC)

"Kanykei Tursunbaeva", who wrote the story on Advox Global Voices, works for Oleg Maltsev as secretary or similar (see Instagram and Twitter), "Газета Нераскрытые преступления" (Unsolved Crimes) belongs to Maltsev (or is at least very closely connected to him), "Hromadske" base their story entirely on what "Unsolved Crimes", i.e. the Maltsev group, have told them, etc (several of the sources in the article are totally dead, though, and can't be checked). I'm not saying the entire article is wrong (on the contrary, I find the fact that there is no real police in Ukraine, only private "security companies" that sell their services to the highest bidder, as being unworthy of a civilised nation), but it is extremely unbalanced, with the "Scandals" section telling only Maltsev's story. - Tom | Thomas.W ^talk 14:57, 28 October 2019 (UTC)

You are right, last night I looked through the list of 34 sources in the article and did not notice that two of them are affiliated with the Maltsev group. But let me rephrase: there is not a single fact in the article that is not confirmed by independent sources, all statements are referenced to independent sources. And those two sources can be replaced by independent ones. An article by Hromadske primarily presents the viewpoint of the national police. Further events related to court decisions also confirmed by the facts of the article. This episode in an article on the Ukrainian Wikipedia takes up only 1/4 of the scandals section. P. S. There is a National Police in Ukraine, but the Municipal Guard is not exactly a successful attempt to create a Municipal Police, which is not backed up by law yet, there is no law about it for now. --Yakudza (talk) 22:29, 28 October 2019 (UTC)

There are 33 sources in the article, but 25 of those are about the Municipal Guard in general or about other things unrelated to the Maltsev incident we discuss, and thus irrelevant to this discussion; of the remaining eight, one (Global Voices) was posted by a Maltsev employee, two are from "Unsolved Crimes", belonging to Maltsev, one (Hromadske) states that their story is based entirely on information from "Unsolved Crimes", one (krug) is a short blurb that doesn't really say anything, one (Censor) reports that a criminal investigation has been started against two members of the Municipal Guard (which is only half the story, since other sources, not in the article, say that a criminal investigation has been started against members of Maltsev's group too), and two (both of them from oblvesti.com.ua) are from a website that no longer seems to exist (ERR_NAME_RESOLUTION_FAILED), and thus can't be checked. Which means that the article only reports the story as seen by the Maltsev group, just as I have said. So I feel that we can put an end to this discussion now. - Tom | Thomas.W ^talk 09:40, 29 October 2019 (UTC)

Your link confirms all the facts in the Wikipedia article: journalists were beaten by the municipal guard. Dumskaya expresses the opinion that those who were beaten up were "bad guys." Further, Dumskaya expresses the opinion "бить дубинкой лежащего человека запрещено законом, будь он хоть журналист, хоть сектант, хоть хулиган" ("it is forbidden by law to beat a lying person with a club, be he even a journalist, even a sectarian, even a bully"). --Yakudza (talk) 01:12, 30 October 2019 (UTC)

I think that you misunderstood the phrase in the source that two criminal proceedings were opened and considered that the second was against journalists. Both criminal proceedings were against members of the Municipal Guard. According to the official website of the prosecutor's office, both cases were sent to court.--Yakudza (talk) 01:54, 30 October 2019 (UTC)

Again you only tell part of the truth, if even that. - Tom | Thomas.W ^talk 05:28, 30 October 2019 (UTC)

BTW, would you mind explaining why you, through simple rollback, readded 22K of fake and totally unsourced material on the Ukrainian version of Ukrainian Academy of Sciences (Non-Governmental organization), with no attempt at discussing it, in spite of it having been removed with a proper edit summary, stating that it was fake and unsourced (material that was originally added by a user with obvious COI, considering all they did was adding unsourced material on the articles about UAN and its president, Onipko). I know you have no obligation to answer my question, but it could improve your credibility here. (Note: "Yakudza" is sysop and bureaucrat on the Ukrainian WP, and can be expected to know how things should be done, and what's acceptable and not...) - Tom | Thomas.W ^talk 13:19, 29 October 2019 (UTC)

I always roll back unusual actions in the articles of my watchlist, such as deleting a few kilobytes of text without giving reasons. Sometimes in dozens of articles per day. --Yakudza (talk) 00:13, 30 October 2019 (UTC)

The editor you reverted did give a reason for the removal in the edit summary, explaining that it was totally unsourced, so your answer did not improve your credibility. - Tom | Thomas.W ^talk 05:28, 30 October 2019 (UTC)

My watchlist of Ukrainian Wikipedia has 10,426 pages. Ukrainian Academy of Sciences is one of them. My interest in it is connected exclusively with the fact that it has almost the same name with the National Academy of Sciences of Ukraine, where I work. Blanking an article is usually an incorrect action. A large fragment of the article containing links to sources http://www.mitris.com/ http://oil-institute.com/ (primary, but nonetheless) was deleted. The UAS is one of many non-governmental academies, it is much less known than the NASU, however it is a real organization, which includes a number of small scientific institutions that are not members of the NASU. Such as the Oil Institute and the Institute of Electronics. --Yakudza (talk) 10:04, 1 November 2019 (UTC)

No, it's not a real organisation, it's a sham/scam organisation that sells memberships to anyone who is willing to pay for it, even to people who don't have even a basic college degree. - Tom | Thomas.W ^talk 18:37, 1 November 2019 (UTC)

I went through the sources of NGO Ukrainian Academy of Sciences [1][2] [3]. There are few of them, but they exist and allow us to conclude that an organization does really exist and is not fake. It is nonsense to say that this organization exists through the issuance of fake diplomas for $ 300. Even the salary of a secretary clerk in Ukraine is higher, and as I can judge from the photographs of the office which was built by the organization, there are many more employees in it than one secretary. Membership fees are a common practice for membership in any scientific organization. And even from this article, which is far from objective, the fact follows that a necessary condition for membership in the Academy is a membership fee of $ 300.

The Ukrainian Academy of Sciences was founded after the collapse of the USSR and it attempted to unite scientists who were engaged mostly in applied and technical research. Perhaps Mr. Yatskiv is right in saying that the academy scientists have no outstanding scientific achievements. Although I can say that such an invention as “Onipko Rotor” was actively discussed several years ago. Also, members of the organization are laureates of the highest award for scientists in Ukraine - the State Prize. I selectively checked some of the facts that are listed in the Ukrainian Wikipedia article, almost all of them are verified youcontrol.com.ua/catalog/company_details/19482160 [4]. The journal "Inventor and Rationalizer" is published in fact http://vir.uan.ua/ The works of the institutes of the Academy were nominated for a state prize in the field of science and technology of Ukraine. Although, apparently, it is currently less active. So the "Institute of Automated Systems", which was previously part of the Academy, judging by their site, is no longer included there. http://ias.kharkov.ua/o-nas/ Thus, after a detailed analysis of the sources, I can say that my initial conclusion that this is a small but actually existing public organization was confirmed. I have no idea why they chose a politician as their member who is not a scientist. (However, you are wrong that he does not have a university diploma). Perhaps this is such a tradition of Academies in Ukraine to have members that are politicians. Prime Minister Azarov was a member of NASU, and President Yanukovych was even a member of the Presidium of NASU. The scientific achievements of the latter can be judged by the well-known Internet meme "Proffesor", which arose after he made 12 errors in the questionnaire for the post of President of Ukraine. --Yakudza (talk) 21:58, 3 November 2019 (UTC)

Aye

October

... with thanks from QAI

Thank you for having suggested the right candidate for arbitration. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 09:35, 31 October 2019 (UTC)

Today, I am proud of a great woman on the Main page, Márta Kurtág, finally! - I restored the thread above - without pic - to his talk. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 16:16, 3 November 2019 (UTC)

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Check User Request

Hi Drmies . When you get a few minutes could you run a CU on user:Ihuntrocks. They are a newer editor and SPI with what looks like an agenda. That said, some of the issues they are raising may have some validity and there is an ongoing discussion at Talk:Jack Posobiec. Volunteer Marek has charged onto the page and the discussion breathing fire and being generally obnoxious. I have asked Cullen to have a look at their recent editing there and if you want to do the same feel free. My own editing is also open to review including my discussion with this user on their talk page. Thanks... -Ad Orientem (talk) 00:14, 4 November 2019 (UTC)

• This is probably better handled either via email or an SPI. For instance, I need to have an idea of who you think this might be, or what I am looking for. Drmies (talk) 00:23, 4 November 2019 (UTC)

'How is that relevant'

Hello. I would like to know if you are satisfied with the way the Cimei, Penghu article's coverage of the Chinese ship in Taiwanese waters that you had reverted [5] now makes sense to you.　 Geographyinitiative (talk) 06:08, 4 November 2019 (UTC)

• The whole article is now more fleshed out, and yes that incident makes a lot more sense now. Thanks! Drmies (talk) 15:08, 4 November 2019 (UTC)

DYK nomination of Gara Medouar

Hello! Your submission of Gara Medouar at the Did You Know nominations page has been reviewed, and some issues with it may need to be clarified. Please review the comment(s) underneath your nomination's entry and respond there as soon as possible. Thank you for contributing to Did You Know! Yoninah (talk) 23:52, 5 November 2019 (UTC)

Hi, your Gara Medouar hook is approved. The Tasghîmût hook needs some refinement. Thanks, Yoninah (talk) 23:52, 5 November 2019 (UTC)

Page protection for Great Red Spot

There has been persistent vandalism from multiple IP addresses on the article [Great Red Spot], therefore I am requesting temporary semi protection. Finball30 (talk) 00:34, 7 November 2019 (UTC)

• Wikipedia:Requests for page protection. Drmies (talk) 01:01, 7 November 2019 (UTC)

FYI

Hello D. I hope you and your family are well. I'm dropping this off Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard#Personal attacks/harassment by Drmies. Best regards. MarnetteD|Talk 02:07, 7 November 2019 (UTC)

• Oops I did it again? Drmies (talk) 02:07, 7 November 2019 (UTC)
  • Hmmm I'm sure I heard that lyric somewhere :-) Your post there sums things up nicely. Thanks for the reverts of these. I'm wondering if they are eligible for r/d. They kinda bump up against BLP violations but I could be wrong. In other news a second series of the British Baking Show Holiday Special hits Netflix this Friday. Enjoy. MarnetteD|Talk 02:29, 7 November 2019 (UTC)
    • Thanks. I just pinged zzuuzz, who has dealt with this troll before. I don't think it's bad enough to warrant revdel, but others may feel differently. The claims are just so stupid, they can hardly be taken seriously. We're watching the finals of that season with Luis, Richard, and Nancy. That's my favorite; each one of them could have won any other season, handily. Drmies (talk) 02:33, 7 November 2019 (UTC)
      • You are right about those three. It is already five years since their series - gosh where does the time go. Thanks for looking at that IPs edits. Cheers. MarnetteD|Talk 02:42, 7 November 2019 (UTC)

Why?

@Drmies Why did you report my username? I said I was willing to change it if it was a problem. If there was a problem, all you had to do was tell me. Assblastusa (talk) 16:19, 7 November 2019 (UTC)

• Because I was interested in the opinion of other administrators. Personally, I think it's blockable. If you're willing to change, that would alleviate my concern. Drmies (talk) 16:50, 7 November 2019 (UTC)
• How do I change it? @Drmies Edit: never mind I figured it out, am waiting for my request to be processed. Assblastusa (talk) 16:51, 7 November 2019 (UTC)
  • Alright--thx. Drmies (talk) 18:23, 7 November 2019 (UTC)

Discussion at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Pepe Alas

 You are invited to join the discussion at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Pepe Alas. Allenjambalaya (talk) 11:32, 8 November 2019 (UTC)Template:Z48

A clearer explaination

Hey, I'm Yeetcetera, I noticed that you'd thought that I was a sockpuppet of that fella on the ANI page. I'm not, but I might've misunderstood why you might have thought that. Mainly just looking for a further explanation on the matter (obviously no ill intent, just trying to figure out what I may have done). To clarify, I was simply suggesting the user in question drop the stick, and that his comment saying that ignoring insults was a wrong move was - in actuality - probably the best thing he could have done to prevent all this.

I've seen you around and I appreciate the work you do, thank you in advance! -Yeetcetera _{@me bro} 17:43, 8 November 2019 (UTC)

• Well, it was an odd comment--I now see why: there was punctuation missing. You cited the other user, but with single, not double quotation marks (which is usual here), and there was no period to close the quote: I did not see the single quotation mark that ended the quote. You are obviously not that user, but please note that I was not the only one who was wondering how your comment was to be read. BTW I agree; the user should have dropped the stick, but it seems they are incapable of doing so, and incapable of behaving properly in a collaborative project. Thank you, Drmies (talk) 17:56, 8 November 2019 (UTC)

Peter Handke

... could use some more watchful eyes, IP edit-warring over nationality, - I topic I don't even care about. I went to the talk page of one of them. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 08:34, 9 November 2019 (UTC)

• Acroterion, I see you protected the article; thank you. Do you think we should start throwing blocks around? I suppose we can wait to see if User:HelmutQualle makes more edits and proves themselves a good-faith editor. Drmies (talk) 17:17, 9 November 2019 (UTC)

In another display of my remarkable virtue of forbearance, I didn't block anyone in this and another recent instance. I'll have a look at Handke again. Acroterion (talk) 17:25, 9 November 2019 (UTC)

Unprotect page request

One Piece (season 20) page still hasn't been unprotected. Panda619 (talk) 11:26, 9 November 2019 (UTC)

Arbcom notice

You are involved in a recently filed request for arbitration. Please review the request at Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Case#Drmies salting and, if you wish to do so, enter your statement and any other material you wish to submit to the Arbitration Committee. As threaded discussion is not permitted on most arbitration pages, please ensure that you make all comments in your own section only. Additionally, the guide to arbitration and the Arbitration Committee's procedures may be of use.

Thanks, wumbolo ^^^ 16:20, 9 November 2019 (UTC)

The lengths some folks will go to just to get you back to Arbcom. — Ched (talk) 16:53, 9 November 2019 (UTC)

I was waiting for such POV-inspired requests. Drmies (talk) 17:00, 9 November 2019 (UTC)

You may want to ...

... delete and protect <redacted>] too, and also the same spelling in main space. Cheers, - Tom | Thomas.W ^talk 17:35, 9 November 2019 (UTC)

Farrah abraham again

Looks like the redirect might need to be checked for RD2 eligible edits again. Seems another anon made some gross insults. Jalen Folf (talk) 17:59, 9 November 2019 (UTC)

Formality

There is currently a discussion at Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents regarding an issue with which you may have been involved. , re Wumbolo. I think that 1 week is not long enough. Guy (help!) 21:43, 9 November 2019 (UTC)

Chief Keef

Hello:

The copy edit you requested from the Guild of Copy Editors of the article Chief Keef has been completed.

Please let me know if you have any questions or concerns.

Regards,

Twofingered Typist (talk) 14:39, 10 November 2019 (UTC)

• Hey--Twofingered Typist, you have done amazing work. Thank you so much; I really appreciate it. Drmies (talk) 23:26, 10 November 2019 (UTC)

RevDel

question. When an editor adds an email address such as here diif, would (requesting) deletion be appropriate? Excepting an experienced editor who clearly understands what they are doing. No idea if this is a promo or real life troll. Hydromania (talk) 05:55, 11 November 2019 (UTC)

• Good call. Thank you. Drmies (talk) 15:24, 11 November 2019 (UTC)

Spanish Empire

I just wanted to inform you that my debate with the other user at Talk:Spanish Empire is over. Can you have a read (sorry if it's long) and look at our final proposals?

Barjimoa (talk) 17:32, 12 November 2019 (UTC)

• Yes, it's long, and not all of it is pertinent. I wonder if User:Kansas Bear has anything to add, or maybe could provide a wrap-up for the section, as if it were an RfC. Specifically, I'd be interested in the sources that are agreed upon. I don't care who is a superpower or not, but I do care if healing evangelists are being cited as history scholars. But I'll go ahead and unprotect, now that the socking is at least temporarily over. Drmies (talk) 18:31, 12 November 2019 (UTC)

• • Unfortunately, SmithGraves is simply searching for sources stating that the Spanish Empire was the global power in the world, and ignoring the fact there are other historians stating other empires were global powers during this same time period. I have given my support to Barjimoa's suggestion but I feel that anyone that uses an evangelist as a source simply because it supports their belief is not open to compromise or working towards consensus. If an evangelist is a reliable source, then we should use this source. --Kansas Bear (talk) 19:35, 12 November 2019 (UTC)

I am surprised by the huge amount of valuations towards me.

Among the many sources that I sent an era of an evangelist, all right, if it is unreliable that that is not taken into account. But I have sent many more sources including Instituto Cervantes, a source widely used in Wikipedia.

And please Kansas, don't make assumptions about me. Do not be rude.