Talk:Kim Kardashian

Semi-protected edit request on 5 March 2019

I want make some edits to this page and some new facts of kim Carsonmarsz (talk) 07:10, 5 March 2019 (UTC)

 Not done: this is not the right page to request additional user rights. You may reopen this request with the specific changes to be made and someone will add them for you, or if you have an account, you can wait until you are autoconfirmed and edit the page yourself. ‑‑ElHef (Meep?) 14:29, 5 March 2019 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 8 March 2019

In Manchester, England, Kim Kardashian (and the rest of family) have an un known cousin called Lee Poyning. Who of which is thought to make an appearance in the new Kardashian documentary, rumoured to be premiered later this year. Daddytrump6969 (talk) 15:53, 8 March 2019 (UTC)

 Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. Alucard 16_{❯❯❯ chat?} 15:59, 8 March 2019 (UTC)

RE: Less Redundant Use of Surname.

A random IP address string got confused by replying with "What does this even mean?" on the previous thread of subject's page.

Instead of "Kardashian first gained fame when a 2003 sex tape of her and Ray J leaked in 2007..." it rather be transfused into "She first gained fame when a 2003 sex tape of her and Ray J leaked in 2007..."

Same for sisters Kourtney Khloe and Kylie with Kardashian and Jenner in these cases used in lieu of she.

That's all,

67.81.163.178 (talk) 11:41, 16 March 2019 (UTC)

 Not done: If the IP is confused, then it's better to refer to Kardashian by last name rather than a potentially ambiguous "she". —C.Fred (talk) 21:57, 16 March 2019 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 7 April 2019

Formatting error in "Awards and Nominations" - "Other awards", 2011, 2018 Alyei (talk) 14:48, 7 April 2019 (UTC)

 Done LittlePuppers (talk) 19:51, 7 April 2019 (UTC)

Kim k children

She has four children now as one was born recently. If some one with access to edit this page it needs to be fixed. regards User: 6jdjdud8di Rupaul's (talk) 14:43, 29 April 2019 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 8 May 2019

Kim Kardashian has 3 children as of May 8, 2019, not 4. 138.51.121.138 (talk) 18:19, 8 May 2019 (UTC)

Done. According to sources like ET the previous report from E! is incorrect. The fourth child has not been born yet, but is expected anytime. Zaereth (talk) 18:47, 8 May 2019 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 15 May 2019

Children Pollockshaws West (B:13/5/2019) 86.187.164.26 (talk) 01:15, 15 May 2019 (UTC)

 Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. —KuyaBriBri^Talk 13:52, 15 May 2019 (UTC)

Move

Move this page to Kim Kardashian West — Preceding unsigned comment added by JavaPythonLutz (talk • contribs) 13:06, 25 June 2019 (UTC)

Likely not. While we begin an article with a subject's full, legal name, the title of the article is usually the name by which they are most known or most widely recognized. See: WP:Names, which says, "Wikipedia does not necessarily use the subject's "official" name as an article title; it generally prefers the name that is most commonly used (as determined by its prevalence in a significant majority of independent, reliable English-language sources) as such names will usually best fit the five criteria listed above." For example, Buck Dharma, Slash, or Ozzy. Zaereth (talk) 21:11, 25 June 2019 (UTC)

Shes almost always referred to as Kim Kardashian West though. Look at every Interview she does (Vogue 73 Interviews). It's only really the tabloid-ey articles that refer to her as Kim Kardashian, becuase it's quicker. — Preceding unsigned comment added by JavaPythonLutz (talk • contribs) 23:38, 25 June 2019 (UTC)

Hello, and thanks for bringing this to the talk page instead of edit-warring. Much appreciated. The next step is to build consensus by convincing everyone else that your idea is the best route to go; which works best if you're prepared to listen to others and willing to compromise. Personally, I really know nothing about this subject, as I've never once "kept up" with it. I only have it on my watchlist for WP:Biographies of living persons reasons. Since you're apparently new here, I would strongly suggest reading that page, because, although it works in accordance with all other policies, it ultimately trumps all other policies.

That said, what we need here, especially for people like me, are sources to back up any claim you make. (For example, the previous war could have been avoided by simply citing your source at the start. I haven't looked at the source, but unless she legally changed it from Kimberly Noel... to Kim Kardashian... (for example, see Bob Dylan, who legally changed it from "Robert" to "Bob") we should really open with whatever her full name is.) Most of us have day jobs and aren't going to hunt for them up ourselves, so you increase your chances of success a hundred-fold by doing the legwork for us. To move the entire article to a new title, I'd suggest going out and finding all the sources you can that can back up that statement, and demonstrate how all the other sources are tabloidish. Keep in mind that how most people like me know her is from her television shows and appearances, which also count (maybe even more). I hope that helps, and good luck. Zaereth (talk) 01:12, 26 June 2019 (UTC)

Caitlyn Jenner Deadname

Is there a reason we need to use Caitlyn Jenner's deadname in this article? It's listed twice, and I think we can just delete it? It's listed in her own entry, so if anyone clicks through, they'll see it, and I don't think it adds anything to this article to deadname her... — Preceding unsigned comment added by Dsiffert (talk • contribs) 06:28, 26 June 2019 (UTC)

We should include that Kim Kardashian gets famous for doing nothing. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2602:304:CFE1:F939:F580:82AA:8106:5F36 (talk) 01:22, 17 July 2019 (UTC)

Recent edits

Liselanora, regarding this, coming back months later, after this, this, and this discussion, and editing the same way is a problem. Your editing hasn't improved since then. And why would it when you are still a newbie and haven't edited Wikipedia in months? Well, except for your sporadic additions. Things like WP:DIARY still apply. Flyer22 Reborn (talk) 19:03, 22 July 2019 (UTC) Flyer22 Reborn (talk) 19:12, 22 July 2019 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 3 August 2019

This article states that Kim Kardashian is married to "rapper" Kanye West. To describe Kanye West as only a rapper is inaccurate and insulting. "Rapper" should be replaced with "artist" instead.

Kanye West's own Wikipedia article states that he is "an American rapper, singer, songwriter, record producer, entrepreneur, and fashion designer." 128.59.26.54 (talk) 20:09, 3 August 2019 (UTC)

 Done I take it there's an implicit consensus since noone has objected to the proposal. --Trialpears (talk) 15:04, 14 August 2019 (UTC)

Reverted because he is primarily known as a rapper. "Artist" is vague. Flyer22 Reborn (talk) 18:53, 14 August 2019 (UTC)

Controversies

I think there should be a controversies section. Kylie has one so why not Kim.

-the Kimono controversy

-Bo Derek braids controversy

-Aaliyah costume

--Candy bling1 (talk) 21:32, 13 August 2019 (UTC)

Candy bling1, no. See WP:Criticism for why. Also see Talk:Michael Jackson/Archive 34#Request for comments on restructuring the article. See WP:DIARY as well. There is no need for a Controversies section in this article. Yes, there is a Controversies section in the Kanye West article, but he is very a controversial figure. WP:Reliable sources comment on it; it's a part of his legacy. Kim Kardashian is not on the same controversy level. Flyer22 Reborn (talk) 21:43, 13 August 2019 (UTC) Flyer22 Reborn (talk) 21:48, 13 August 2019 (UTC)

That's wildly debateable to say that she is not on the same controversy level. I cited a NYT artcile titled "Kim Kardashian West and the Kimono Controversy", the mayor of japan wrote her a letter! I mean come on --Candy bling1 (talk) 21:45, 13 August 2019 (UTC) At the very least I ask that someone re-name the "product range" section because that title doesn't really make sense if it only elaborates on one specific product and basically recounts the controversy surrounding it. --Candy bling1 (talk) 21:48, 13 August 2019 (UTC)

Candy bling1, you didn't look at the links to WP:Criticism, Talk:Michael Jackson/Archive 34#Request for comments on restructuring the article and WP:DIARY, did you? Wildly debatable? It's not. To repeat, WP:Reliable sources comment on Kanye West being a controversial figure; it's a part of his legacy. Flyer22 Reborn (talk) 21:51, 13 August 2019 (UTC)

I did look at the links which is why I then said "At the very least I ask that someone re-name the "product range" section because that title doesn't really make sense if it only elaborates on one specific product and basically recounts the controversy surrounding it." --Candy bling1 (talk) 21:54, 13 August 2019 (UTC)

The section is still about "product range." That it covers criticism doesn't mean that "criticism" or "controversy" needs to be in the heading. But, as a compromise, we could go with "Product range criticism" or "Reception to product range." Given the criticism over the word Kimono, it's probably best it's not used in the heading. Flyer22 Reborn (talk) 22:20, 13 August 2019 (UTC)

"Reception to product range" sounds great to me. --Candy bling1 (talk) 14:10, 14 August 2019 (UTC)

Okay, I changed it to that. Flyer22 Reborn (talk) 18:53, 14 August 2019 (UTC)

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References

Semi-protected edit request on 31 August 2019

In the source at the beginning of the article after her full name is stated, it says that she was to abandon her middle name after marriage, making her legal name Kimberly Kardashian West 73.96.106.130 (talk) 19:08, 31 August 2019 (UTC)

 Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. — MRD2014 (talk) 23:39, 1 September 2019 (UTC)

Attending Law School

Should we add content about Kim's home-studying law that prepares for her career as a lawer? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Zozoedit (talk • contribs) 21:01, 14 September 2019 (UTC)

Requested move 12 October 2019

The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

The result of the move request was: not moved. (closed by non-admin page mover) Jerm (talk) 16:05, 28 October 2019 (UTC)

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Kim Kardashian → Kim Kardashian West – Wikipedia almost universally refers to her with as "Kim Kardashian West" and even this article for the most part refers to her by the surname "West." 73.82.167.45 (talk) 17:53, 12 October 2019 (UTC)

• Oppose move and snowclose. Her common name is quite clearly Kim Kardashian. (In addition, references to her as "West" should be reverted to "Kardashian", for that reason.) O.N.R. ^(talk) 19:45, 12 October 2019 (UTC)
• Oppose move While she is arguably mainly referred to as "Kim Kardashian West" in the media, she became notable with the name "Kim Kardashian". -- Willthacheerleader18 (talk) 14:32, 13 October 2019 (UTC)
• Oppose. Recent news sources primarily refer to her as "Kim Kardashian", so I don't think WP:NAMECHANGES would apply in this case. PC78 (talk) 09:38, 14 October 2019 (UTC)
• Oppose. Still overwhelmingly her common name. -- Necrothesp (talk) 13:57, 16 October 2019 (UTC)
• Oppose: Same reason Buck Dharma is not under Donald Roeser and Slash is not under Saul Hudson. We use the name a person is most well-known for as the title, which may not always be the same as their legal name. And there are many, many people who know the name and have no idea she's even married because they don't keep up with celebrities. With her status I don't foresee this move ever taking place. Zaereth (talk) 20:46, 16 October 2019 (UTC)
• Oppose. Her WP:Common name is obviously Kim Kardashian. Flyer22 Reborn (talk) 01:53, 17 October 2019 (UTC)

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Change "West" into "Kardashian"?

I propose we change the named references to the subject into "Kardashian" or "Kim Kardashian" that are the most common names she has been known with as the current "West" seems strange. I thought it would be better to discuss this here before making any change just to avoid edit warring (as this is definitely not my intention). I saw a similar suggestion in October's discussion on article name change. What do you think? Rentzepopoulos (talk) 11:20, 11 November 2019 (UTC)

Normally I'd say go with the legal surname in the article. Always use the full legal name for the opening sentence, and the surname throughout. There are exceptions to this, however, such as when the maiden name is just so much more well-known or where it may cause confusion. (For example, in the moose article we avoid calling the American elk by that name, but instead use the American Native name (wapiti), because "elk" is the European word for moose. Or in the Basic fighter maneuvers article we avoid using the word "plane" or "airplane" because they're easily confused with "geometric plane".) I could see where many people might not recognize her by her surname (if I hadn't come here from BLPN I most certainly wouldn't know). I understand that is says it in the first sentence, but more often than not people won't read the entire article but rather the vast majority are just going to scan through until they find what they're looking for, so I could see how it could get confusing. Then her husband is also apparently a famous person and there's a need to distinguish between the two. On the other hand, using the legal last name just sounds much more professional, and I really don't know much more about the subject than what I've read here, so I'm on the fence. Zaereth (talk) 22:13, 11 November 2019 (UTC)

Should definitely go with "Kardashian." Yes, we have WP:Surname. But her WP:Common name is "Kim Kardashian" and that is the title of this article. Flyer22 Reborn (talk) 15:02, 12 November 2019 (UTC)

Well, those are actually two separate policies; one dealing with article content and the other with article titles, but I get your point. The rest of the "Names" section in MOS/Biographies seems to spell it all out when taken as a whole. "Kardashian" is definitely the most common name, if a quick google search means anything, and you can even equate it to a stagename. I try to look at this from the reader's perspective, and if I was just coming here, with no prior knowledge of the subject, to research info for some reason, "Kardashian" is the name I would be looking for. So count me in; you've tipped the scales. Per MOS:NAMES I say lets change it. Zaereth (talk) 00:56, 13 November 2019 (UTC)

OK then, I will make the changes into a single edit action so that it can be reverted later in case a different consensus is made. Cheers Rentzepopoulos (talk) 14:44, 13 November 2019 (UTC)