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16:28, 1 December 2020 (UTC)

Is there a way to watch IP users' contributions?

Hi, I often spot some edits by IP-users, which are sometimes plain, simple vandalism and sometimes they seem like tests or jokes. I would like to be able to follow such IP for some time to see if the user evolves into a full-time vandal or rather becomes a regular contributor. Is there any way to do that semi-automatically? Of course I can put relevant Contributions/XX.XX.XX.XX link into favourites in my browser and visit it periodically, but that's not a convenient way. Is there any mechanism I can use to be notified on any new contributions of a specific IP-user? --CiaPan (talk) 20:30, 3 December 2020 (UTC)

Made a minor fix in your User page

I have fixed a minor error in the layout of the Four Award in your Shiny things at User:Girth Summit#Vanity

The change: Special:Diff/992157172

CiaPan (talk) 20:35, 3 December 2020 (UTC)

CiaPan, thanks - not sure when that crept in, must have screwed it up a while ago and not noticed.

On your question about about monitoring specific IPs - nothing is jumping to mind. I guess you could put a link to their contribs in your sandbox and click on it periodically, but you can't watchlist contributions pages for changes. There might be some clever widgets out there that would do the job, but I'm afraid I can't point to anything. (Any talk page stalkers should feel free to chime in...) GirthSummit _(blether) 11:18, 6 December 2020 (UTC)

There's a ToDo List script I use to keep track of a couple of user contributions pages. I can't remember the name of it and it's not (er, to me) obvious where I can jog my memory. —valereee (talk) 16:02, 6 December 2020 (UTC)

Here it is: User:BrandonXLF/TodoList —valereee (talk) 16:10, 6 December 2020 (UTC)

@Valereee: Thank you, I'll try it. :) CiaPan (talk) 10:25, 8 December 2020 (UTC)

@Valereee: Thanks for the hint. I took a look and the ToDo list does for me exactly what I needed. Thank you very much! CiaPan (talk) 15:55, 13 December 2020 (UTC)

PS. I also thank Girth Summit for hosting this talk at his talk page. CiaPan (talk) 15:55, 13 December 2020 (UTC)

CiaPan, no worries - I'm glad that valereee was able to suggest something, I might take a peek at it myself! GirthSummit _(blether) 15:56, 13 December 2020 (UTC)

CiaPan, so glad it was helpful! —valereee (talk) 16:36, 13 December 2020 (UTC)

New Page Patrol December Newsletter

Hello Girth Summit,

Year in review

It has been a productive year for New Page Patrol as we've roughly cut the size of the New Page Patrol queue in half this year. We have been fortunate to have a lot of great work done by Rosguill who was the reviewer of the most pages and redirects this past year. Thanks and credit go to JTtheOG and Onel5969 who join Rosguill in repeating in the top 10 from last year. Thanks to John B123, Hughesdarren, and Mccapra who all got the NPR permission this year and joined the top 10. Also new to the top ten is DannyS712 bot III, programmed by DannyS712 which has helped to dramatically reduce the number of redirects that have needed human patrolling by patrolling certain types of redirects (e.g. for differences in accents) and by also patrolling editors who are on on the redirect whitelist.

Rank	Username	Num reviews	Log
1	DannyS712 bot III (talk)	67,552	Patrol Page Curation
2	Rosguill (talk)	63,821	Patrol Page Curation
3	John B123 (talk)	21,697	Patrol Page Curation
4	Onel5969 (talk)	19,879	Patrol Page Curation
5	JTtheOG (talk)	12,901	Patrol Page Curation
6	Mcampany (talk)	9,103	Patrol Page Curation
7	DragonflySixtyseven (talk)	6,401	Patrol Page Curation
8	Mccapra (talk)	4,918	Patrol Page Curation
9	Hughesdarren (talk)	4,520	Patrol Page Curation
10	Utopes (talk)	3,958	Patrol Page Curation

Reviewer of the Year

John B123 has been named reviewer of the year for 2020. John has held the permission for just over 6 months and in that time has helped cut into the queue by reviewing more than 18,000 articles. His talk page shows his efforts to communicate with users, upholding NPP's goal of nurturing new users and quality over quantity.

NPP Technical Achievement Award

As a special recognition and thank you DannyS712 has been awarded the first NPP Technical Achievement Award. His work programming the bot has helped us patrol redirects tremendously - more than 60,000 redirects this past year. This has been a large contribution to New Page Patrol and definitely is worthy of recognition.

Six Month Queue Data: Today – 2262 Low – 2232 High – 10271

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18:17, 10 December 2020 (UTC)

86.146.18.128 making hundreds of genre changes

Hi, I would like your advice on how to handle a situation. On 24 Nov. I noticed this new user User:86.146.18.128, who between 3 Nov and 24 Nov made over 600 edits, all (as far as I can see) being unsourced changes to movie catgories and genres, with a few music genre changes as well. I added a warning on their talk page, and they immediately replied on my talk page with an apology. I thought this was a promising sign that they might be redirected to constructive editing, so I left a more detailed message on their talk page explaining our RS policies. They did not reply to this, but after a few days resumed changing genres, albeit at a somewhat slower rate than previously. I added another warning on their talk page, which they again have not responded to.

I'm not sure this behavior rises to ANI level, but since they are no longer responding to communication I'm not sure what is the best venue to address this. I don't have the time or patience to revert all of their hundreds of edits, nor the experience in managing movie genres/categories to know whether some of them might be valid. What would you recommend? CodeTalker (talk) 21:38, 14 December 2020 (UTC)

CodeTalker, hi there. I just took a very quick look at a few of the contribs. The ones I looked at appear to be the addition of categories - is that the kind of thing you're talking about? Changed like that don't themselves have to be sourced, but they should make sense within the context of the sourced content within the article. The ones I looked at didn't look ridiculous, but I only have a quick glance - is your problem the fact that the edits are unsourced, or that they're nonsensical? You don't have to trawl through all of their edits, but if you'd be willing to check a few and tell me if there are any glaring issues, that would be great. GirthSummit _(blether) 19:58, 15 December 2020 (UTC)

Hi, thanks for the reply. Yes, most of the edits are additions of categories. I wasn't aware that such changes are exempt from sourcing requirements, so perhaps this isn't an issue. However, there are a number of their edits that change or remove existing categories as well as adding new ones, like [1], [2], [3], [4], [5], [6], [7], [8], [9], [10], [11], [12], all from just one day of editing. As I said, I'm not very experienced with managing categories, so perhaps these changes are not a concern either? CodeTalker (talk) 17:10, 16 December 2020 (UTC)

CodeTalker, hi there, I'll try to find time to take a proper look. In terms of sourcing, it's not so much that categories are specially exempt, it's more that they are usually based on sourced content within the article already. If we have an article about a Japanese horror film that isn't categorised as such, it's no problem for someone to add the cat without adding a new source. If someone is adding the Japanese horror film cat to an English costume drama, that's a different matter. GirthSummit _(blether) 17:17, 16 December 2020 (UTC)

Flyer22 and WanderingWanda arbitration case opened

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Counter-Vandalism

Hello! I'm a quite new Wikipedian, and I aspire to wipe out vandalism and join you in fighting it! I'd love if you mentored me in my journey. I'm @TheJinxedJackRabbit. Thank you!

Hi TheJinxedJackRabbit, thanks for your interest in countering vandalism, and sorry for taking a few days to get back to you - I confess that I've been very busy, and it slipped my mind. I'm afraid that I'm not taking on new students at the moment - I'm pretty busy with, other projects. Please consider approaching one of the other trainers, or coming back to me in a few weeks. Best GirthSummit _(blether) 23:57, 21 December 2020 (UTC)

Sukavich Rangsitpol

The following information was deleted from talk page. Sukavich Rangsitpol is Thai Education Reformer between 1995-1997 his education reform resulted in many changes in Thai Education.

Between 1995-1997 the minister of education, Sukavich Rangsitpol, launched a series of education reforms in 1995 with the i”goal”of the education reform is to realize the potential of Thai people to develop themselves for a better quality of life and to develop the nation for a peaceful co-existence in the global community.

หรือ การปฏิรูปการศึกษาเพื่อการพัฒนา คุณภาพชีวิต ในปี 2538-2540

I saw the following was deleted from his article.

Hmm this will never end it seems... (And hello, Summit). —PaleoNeonate – 13:45, 21 December 2020 (UTC)

Minister for Education (1995–1997)

Rangsitpol was appointed Minister of Education. His challenge was for Thailand to achieving educational excellence by the year 2007. During his two -year tenure,Rangsitpol launched education reforms between 1995-1997 .

The goal of the education reform is to realize the potential of Thai people to develop themselves for a better quality of life and to develop the nation for a peaceful co-existence in the global community.

According to UNESCO, Thailand education reform has led to the following results:

• Free12 years education for all children provided by the government. This program was added to the 1997 Constitution of Thailand and gave access to all citizens.

• Since 1996, first grade students have been taught English as a second or foreign language and computer literacy.

• The educational budget increased from 133 billion baht in 1996 to 163 billion baht in 1997 (22.5% increase)

• Professional advancement from teacher level 6 to teacher level 7 without having to submit academic work for consideration was approved by the Thai government.

School-based management (SBM) in Thailand began in 1997 in the course of a reform aimed at overcoming a profound crisis in the education system.สตาร์บัคหัวหิน (talk) 05:45, 14 December 2020 (UTC) https://1997-2001.state.gov/global/human_rights/1996_hrp_report/thailand.html Rangsitpol achievements in 1996 were also hidden in the above links.สตาร์บัคหัวหิน (talk) 05:49, 14 December 2020 (UTC)

http://documents.worldbank.org/curated/en/605431468777588612/text/multi-page.txt

17. Sukavich Rangsitpol Education Reform Program of 1996. introduced "reform program". Iaround four major improvements:

• improving the physical state of schools
• upgrading the quality of teachers
• reforming learning and teaching methods
• streamlining administration สตาร์บัคหัวหิน (talk) 06:01, 14 December 2020 (UTC)

1996 Education Reform = Sukavich Rangsitpol Education Reform สตาร์บัคหัวหิน (talk) 06:02, 14 December 2020 (UTC)

This Article Deformation my country and my best education minister Thailand had never ban any LGBTQ from anything including Teacher college.It was never been approved. This article based on FaKe NEWS. According to World Bank and UNESCO Thailand had achieved Education for All in 1997.

https://1997-2001.state.gov/global/human_rights/1996_hrp_report/thailand.html

What to do with the article that use FAKE NEWS as sources. สตาร์บัคหัวหิน (talk) 06:03, 14 December 2020 (UTC)

https://1997-2001.state.gov/global/human_rights/1996_hrp_report/thailand.html My best Thai Education Minister achievements in 1996 were also hidden in the above links. สตาร์บัคหัวหิน (talk) 06:05, 14 December 2020 (UTC)

1) In August 1996 the Government(by Minnistry of Education ) endorsed an operational plan against commercial sex services, calling for such measures as further compulsory education, more vocational education, an enhanced public information campaign, and professional training, especially of teachers and health care workers. สตาร์บัคหัวหิน (talk) 06:06, 14 December 2020 (UTC)

2) In 1996 The Government(Ministry of Education ) and NGO's have already established vocational training and education programs to combat the lure of prostitution for young Thai women and their families. สตาร์บัคหัวหิน (talk) 06:07, 14 December 2020 (UTC)

3) The Minister of Education Key among the human development proposals is an increased emphasis on extending compulsory education from grade 6 to grade 9 and to alleviating poverty in 1996. สตาร์บัคหัวหิน (talk) 06:08, 14 December 2020 (UTC)

4) The bill, under consideration by the Chavalit Cabinet (Rangsitpol was Education Minister )since December, would provide a fund to assist such children and initiate a parenting education program. สตาร์บัคหัวหิน (talk) 06:08, 14 December 2020 (UTC)

An analysis based on population and school enrollment data shows that between 850,000 and 1,480,000 children work in Thailand, mostly on family farms. Between 240,000 and 410,000 (2 to 4 percent of the 6 to 14 age group) are estimated to be in urban employment at particular risk of labor abuse.

• That was the urgent reason for Education for All Thai children. สตาร์บัคหัวหิน (talk) 06:09, 14 December 2020 (UTC)

Rangsitpol was also addressing the problem of child labor by proposing to extend compulsory education from 6 to 9 years. สตาร์บัคหัวหิน (talk) 06:10, 14 December 2020 (UTC)

During his trip to the Philippines, H.E. Mr Sukavich Rangsitpol was conferred an Honorary Degree of Doctor of Education by the Philippine Normal University. His will to reform education and strong leadership in educational management were highly commended. สตาร์บัคหัวหิน (talk) 06:10, 14 December 2020 (UTC)

https://www.seameo.org/vl/library/dlwelcome/photogallery/president/sukavich.htm สตาร์บัคหัวหิน (talk) 06:11, 14 December 2020 (UTC)

World Bank Document 1996 Education Reform = Rangsitpol Education Reform

http://documents.worldbank.org/curated/en/605431468777588612/text/multi-page.txt

17. Sukavich Rangsitpol Education Reform Program of 1996. introduced "reform program". Iaround four major improvements:

• improving the physical state of schools
• upgrading the quality of teachers
• reforming learning and teaching methods
• streamlining administrationสตาร์บัคหัวหิน (talk) 06:00, 14 December 2020 (UTC)

His article was based on sources that used fake news as reference.

My comment on talk page based on UNESCO,World Bank and Japanese Government Document. If the truth is not allowed in talk page,where should it be. He found School for 4,530,000 poor Thai children age between 3-17 years old .That is the fact and it should be add to his biography instead of accusations. The political lies that got Rangsitpol compensation from the other politician who is dead should not be included in his biography.สตาร์บัคหัวหิน (talk) 14:15, 18 December 2020 (UTC)

สตาร์บัคหัวหิน, I'm afraid that I don't understand what you're talking about, but I suggest you take it to whichever talk page is relevant rather than here. GirthSummit _(blether) 14:17, 18 December 2020 (UTC)

Don't quite understand

I noticed a request to delete a PA by another editor was reverted by you on ProcrastinatingReader's talk. The edit summary mentions a version by "Liz", but is that a typo [13] ? Also, I don't really quite understand why, if the request was problematic, it was reverted/deleted by an admin. Would you take a moment and clarify for me? I reread policy dealing with such issues yesterday, and from my understanding the request was within recommenced policy. Is there an aspect I didn't understand? Thanks so much! Pasdecomplot (talk) 12:10, 19 December 2020 (UTC)

Pasdecomplot, apologies - it was a fat-fingered rollback, you'll see that I reverted myself immediately afterwards. GirthSummit _(blether) 12:25, 19 December 2020 (UTC)

Stephen Hendry

Bringing this to your attention since you're one of the few capable moderators I've found on here. I warned these two editors about 3RR on Stephen Hendry's article several hours ago, but they're both still at it. Are you able to take action, or should I go through the arbitration channel?

Article history: https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Stephen_Hendry&action=history

- Seasider53 (talk) 19:16, 19 December 2020 (UTC)

No worries, actually. It seems it has been dealt with. - Seasider53 (talk) 21:38, 19 December 2020 (UTC)

Seasider53, thanks for letting me know - yes it seems like it's sorted now. GirthSummit _(blether) 07:35, 20 December 2020 (UTC)

protect Vettaikaaran (2009 film) always without expiry

I see to that you have protected the page there is some kind of agenda-driven abusive editing against the actor in that page kindly extend the protection always without expiry date in Vettaikaaran (2009 film) page. Thanks Dominicoz (talk) 13:27, 21 December 2020 (UTC)

Dominicoz, hi. We don't normally permanently protect pages in that way, disruption usually dies down after a little while. If it starts up after the current protection expires, let us know and we'll look at applying protection again.

As an aside, I don't know why you think the website you just used to support content at the page is a reliable source - I can't see much about editorial policy or staff on their website, but from what I can see on their 'about us' and 'terms and conditions' it's essentially a blog site with user-generated content. I would avoid using it, if I were you. Best GirthSummit _(blether) 14:12, 21 December 2020 (UTC)

Its pretty hard to find gross and budget for old Indian film articles. Thanks again will avoid those references. I will let you know if there is any attacks in that page after the expiry of protection. Dominicoz (talk) 14:28, 21 December 2020 (UTC)

Dominicoz, thanks. I appreciate that it can be difficult to find reliable sources for some content. The advice I always give is that if we can't source something reliably, it's better not to say anything than to use a dubious source. Cheers GirthSummit _(blether) 14:36, 21 December 2020 (UTC)

Ok hereafter I will follow it. Thanks again. cheers Have a nice day and Advance X'mas wishes Dominicoz (talk) 14:48, 21 December 2020 (UTC)

Happy holidays

This year, many people had COVID to fear,
The holidays are getting near,
One thing that will be clear,
We will still have holiday cheer,
Happy holidays and happy new year!!
From Interstellarity (talk) 14:06, 22 December 2020 (UTC)

Thank you

For your work on the SPA case I logged - much appreciated. Have a good Christmas. Lugnuts ^{Fire Walk with Me} 14:50, 22 December 2020 (UTC)

Lugnuts, no worries. The interaction analysis between yourself and the latest sock was quite an eye-opener: that can't have been pleasant, I'm glad I was able to help. GirthSummit _(blether) 14:52, 22 December 2020 (UTC)

RSN

Hi. The text was getting lost amidst another editor's formatting issues, so I was attempting to reformat my own text so as to be legible. Just added two bullets - is that a problem? Also, it seemed that the revised text from earlier is okay with you. Are further reedits being requested? If so, where are the issues presently? Thanks. Pasdecomplot (talk) 16:26, 23 December 2020 (UTC)

Pasdecomplot, your reformatting indentation of posts affects other people's posts - their indentation shows which post they are replying to. Don't try to curate the indentation in the discussion - just leave it alone after people have responded. GirthSummit _(blether) 16:58, 23 December 2020 (UTC)

fyi, I was blocked for not indenting before. The missing indents above and below are what's causing the format issues, I might add. Not curating, but trying to keep my own edits legible, when other edits don't keep formatting standards. That's all that's going on. Pasdecomplot (talk) 17:22, 23 December 2020 (UTC)

Again, Pasdecomplot, my post was indented correctly. When you added a level of indent, you made it look like it was a response to a different post than the one I intended to respond to.

I was responding to yours of 12:48, 23 December 2020, which from a quick look at the content of both posts, is clearly correct. My response was indented one additional level, which is also correct. When you added a level of indent, you made it look like it was a response to yours of 14:14, 23 December 2020, which makes it seem like a non sequitur. I know you meant to be helpful but that is not only not helpful, it's actively destructive to the thread of the conversation.

Please, once again, just stop correcting my indents. —valereee (talk) 18:20, 23 December 2020 (UTC)

I have to say, PdC, you weren't correcting anything. WP:INDENT is a dull, but useful read. GirthSummit _(blether) 18:26, 23 December 2020 (UTC)

Yes, here's the first correction where the edit below mine wasn't indented. I indented it [14].Pasdecomplot (talk) 21:43, 23 December 2020 (UTC)

Then, I added bullets to my own edits, since the other edits' indents, added by me, were removed [15]. Not indenting makes the RSN text hard to read. This was the second time I corrected formatting conflicts caused by other edits, but these you removed. I've since added spaces to my edits - to keep them legible. So, these were corrections and you weren't correcting anything is not quite accurate. As the diffs evidence. Thanks. Pasdecomplot (talk) 21:57, 23 December 2020 (UTC)

Pasdecomplot, you are mistaken - again, I encourage you to read WP:INDENT, and WP:THREAD, properly.

• In your first diff, the response was correctly indented before you changed it. It was a response to the comment you made immediately after your outdent ("To make sure inaccuracies are..."). I don't know why you decided to indent your own following post, but valereee was correct to apply only a single level of indent to her response to your unindented post.
• In your second diff, I don't know why you decided to add bullet point, but again, your changes messed up the indenting in the following comments - WP:THREAD advises us not to mix colon and bullet indentation, so your going back to add bullets after someone has responded with colons just messes things up.

Indentation is fairly complicated, lots of people make mistakes with it, and it's not reasonable to expect anyone to be perfect. However, it is reasonable to expect you not to mess around with other people's indentation, and it is reasonable to expect you not to modify posts after they have been responded to. So, again: stop it. GirthSummit _(blether) 10:45, 24 December 2020 (UTC)

Yo Ho Ho

Donner60 (talk) is wishing a foaming mug of Seasons Greetings! Whether you celebrate your hemisphere's Solstice or Christmas, Diwali, Hogmanay, Hanukkah, Lenaia, Festivus or even the Saturnalia, this is a special time of year for almost everyone!

Spread the holiday cheer by adding {{subst:User:WereSpielChequers/Dec20}} to your friends' talk pages.

Donner60 thanks very much - the same to you and yours. Cheers GirthSummit _(blether) 15:39, 24 December 2020 (UTC)

Merry Christmas & Let's See Out the Year!

	Merry Christmas and a Prosperous 2021!
	Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year! In this toughest of years, thank you for continuing to care about others - both in your editing, your words, and just in your being. Roll on 2021 and I'll see you there! Nosebagbear (talk) 14:44, 24 December 2020 (UTC) Spread the love by adding {{subst:Seasonal Greetings}} to other user talk pages.

Thanks Nosebagbear - same to you, here's hoping for a better time next year. Cheers GirthSummit _(blether) 15:41, 24 December 2020 (UTC)

Regarding the CVUA

Hello Girth Summit, a few months ago, I asked Puddleglum2.0 (who was my CVUA trainer) if I could become a CVUA trainer myself. They said that I should wait a couple more months, so I responded that I'd come back around the new year. However, they haven't edited in some time, so I'm asking you if I'm ready to become a CVUA trainer. It's fine if you decline. Thanks, Thanoscar21^talk_{contributions} 16:32, 24 December 2020 (UTC)

Thanoscar21, hi - thanks for putting yourself forward. Give me a bit of time to review your contributions and I'll get back to you after Christmas. Cheers GirthSummit _(blether) 17:26, 24 December 2020 (UTC)

Thanks for your time! Thanoscar21^talk_{contributions} 22:29, 24 December 2020 (UTC)

Thanoscar21, hi there. So, I haven't seen anything in your contribs that concerns me, but I note that there was a big drop in your contributions after that discussion with Puddleglum, and you have only started editing again in a major way this month. Is there a reason for that? CVUA Training is pretty time-consuming - are you sure you're going to be able to put the time in? Cheers GirthSummit _(blether) 17:28, 27 December 2020 (UTC)

Girth Summit, around that time, I noticed I accidentally signed an email with ~~~~, and realized just how involved I became in Wikipedia. I decided to step back for a while, and now, I'm trying to edit a little bit more mindfully. I have enough free time; when I'm not editing, I'm usually lurking, reading some other article. Thanks, Thanoscar21^talk_{contributions} 22:42, 27 December 2020 (UTC)

Thanoscar21, hah! Yes, I frequently sign e-mails like that - I only wish it worked!

Fair enough on the taking a step back. Well, there aren't any formal requirements for acting as a trainer - I am happy for you to go ahead and put your name down as a trainer. My training material is at User:Girth_Summit/CVUA/Sections, feel free to make a local copy and use it.

While snooping around in your contribs, I didn't see much activity at UAA - let me know if you want any guidance about that, or if you have any questions.

I couldn't see that you maintained a CSD log - do you do much CSD nominating? You can enable a log in your Twinkle preferences, which tracks your nominations - I do that partly for transparency purposes, and also because it helps you keep track of your own nominations, see which ones get deleted and which ones don't, which is a useful learning tool. I'd recommend that you do it. Cheers GirthSummit _(blether) 11:42, 28 December 2020 (UTC)

Thanks for the tips! Yeah, I don't do too much at UAA. The only times I really go to CSD is for U5, usually. Thanks again for your time, Thanoscar21^talk_{contributions} 15:17, 28 December 2020 (UTC)

Season's Greetings

	Merry Christmas
	Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year. Wishing you a better 2021. Whispyhistory (talk) 18:33, 24 December 2020 (UTC)

Thanks Whispy, hope you have a peaceful one. Maybe catch up at a meet up next year, if things get normal again. Cheers GirthSummit _(blether) 19:10, 24 December 2020 (UTC)

Merry Christmas

File:Christmas tree in field.jpg	Merry Christmas Girth Summit
	Hi Girth Summit, I wish you and your family a very Merry Christmas and a very happy and prosperous New Year, Thanks for all your contributions to Wikipedia this past year, like this tree, you are a light shining in the darkness. Onel5969 TT me 12:07, 22 December 2019 (UTC)

Thanks Onel5969 - I like the idea of being like a tree, all strong and supple. Plus people are allowed to hug them, even in these troubled times. GirthSummit _(blether) 20:39, 24 December 2020 (UTC)

Girth Summit, well... you have girth... and there is a summit... Onel5969 ^{TT me} 00:38, 25 December 2020 (UTC)

Since you like Christmas trees, I'll branch off with a Spirobranchus giganteus

Christmas tree worm, (Spirobranchus giganteus) Atsme 💬 📧 20:48, 24 December 2020 (UTC)
	Time To Spread A Little Happy Holiday Cheer!!
	I decorated a special kind of Christmas tree in the spirit of the season. What's especially nice about this digitized version: *it doesn't need water *won't catch fire *and batteries aren't required.
	Have a very Merry Christmas and a prosperous New Year!! 🍸🎁 🎉

Hey Atsme - thanks for the cool blue worm, but I have to be honest, I feel huggier about trees (see message above!). I hope that you and yours have a peaceful holiday season, and that the new year brings you nice things. Christmassy Cheers GirthSummit _(blether) 20:51, 24 December 2020 (UTC)

Oh wait, wow - just realised you already read the tree comment, and made a special tree worm greeting in response - I'm super touched, thanks Atsme. They really are remarkable looking little critters, aren't they... GirthSummit _(blether) 00:10, 25 December 2020 (UTC)

Merry Christmas!

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	Hello Girth Summit, Wishing you a joyous holiday season and a happy and peaceful New Year. Stay safe and best. Cassiopeia(talk) 23:59, 24 December 2020 (UTC)

Thanks Cassiopeia - wishing the same to you and yours, I hope the new year is kind to you. Cheers GirthSummit _(blether) 00:12, 25 December 2020 (UTC)

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Hey Megan - thanks, and the same to you! GirthSummit _(blether) 11:11, 25 December 2020 (UTC)

Merry Christmas

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	Hello Girth Summit, warm wishes to you and your family throughout the holiday season. May your heart and home be filled with all of the joys the festive season brings. Here is a toast to a Merry Christmas and prosperous New Year!. scope_creepTalk 11:42, 25 December 2020 (UTC)

Hey scope creep, and the same to you! Good to hear from you, I really appreciate your reaching out. Hope you have a peaceful time, and a Better New Year. Cheers GirthSummit _(blether) 15:20, 25 December 2020 (UTC)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blue_movie

Why did you undo my change here, which added a reference to "Blue Movie, a 1989 pornographic mockumentary film"? BoswellScribbler (talk) 16:59, 25 December 2020 (UTC)

BoswellScribbler, as my edit summary indicated, I reverted the addition of an inappropriate external link, per WP:ELNO. An IP address is logged as having added it, perhaps you were logged out at the time - would you like me to rev delete the edit to protect your privacy? Cheers GirthSummit _(blether) 17:27, 25 December 2020 (UTC)

Why do you consider the Internet Adult Film Database (IAFD) an inappropriate external link? Founded by the late Dutch chemist Peter van Aarle, it is widely regarded as the adult film analog of the IMDb, and in any case certainly is the largest and most audited index of its type. Wikipedia articles on adult film stars routinely cite the IAFD, e.g. the one for famed 1980's player Traci_Lords. No source is perfect, but one like the IAFD, subject to great scrutiny, is more likely to be subject to correction than others, don't you agree? Would you prefer I cite a Web site offering a copy of the film in question, as a better source attesting to its existence and descriptive details? Thanks. - BoswellScribbler (talk) 13:25, 28 December 2020 (UTC)

BoswellScribbler, first things first - you didn't cite it as a source, you inserted it as an external link. There's an important distinction. You can read WP:CITE and WP:EL for more.

Second things second - IMDB is not a reliable source, so neither (presumably) is IAFD. They are both user generated, and so not considered reliable. Please don't add links to it, or use it as a source, on this project. Cheers GirthSummit _(blether) 14:20, 28 December 2020 (UTC)

Actually, BoswellScribbler, there's a couple of other things you should know. The page you added the link to is a disambiguation page. We use those for situations where a reader might have searched for a term, but it's not clear which Wikipedia article will give them the most relevant information. You can read about them in detail at WP:DISAMBIGUATION, but there is also very clear, concise guidance at WP:DABDD, with some dos and don'ts. One of the key pieces of guidance is Don't include references or external links. - so, based on that, it's clear that your addition was not appropriate.

If we had an article about the movie you were linking to, then a link to the IAFD might be an appropriate external link to use at that article. It wouldn't be appropriate to use it as a source of information, but if it has received significant coverage in enough independent, reliable and secondary sources, it might be possible to write an article about it based on those sources; the IAFD entry could then be linked to in an 'External links' section. That is just about the only situation in which I can imagine it being appropriate to include that link. I note that the IAFD is linked to in such a way from our article on Debbie Does Dallas. Cheers GirthSummit _(blether) 14:39, 28 December 2020 (UTC)

Lady K Soul

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Quinton Daniels, if you think that contributes towards notability, you should mention it at the deletion discussion. GirthSummit _(blether) 13:23, 26 December 2020 (UTC)

Okay thank you bud, I'll do that have a nice day. If you checked it out could you consider removing the deletion log? Quinton Daniels (talk) 13:27, 26 December 2020 (UTC)

Quinton Daniels, I took a quick look, and am not convinced that it establishes notability. The deletion discussion will run for a month, other editors will assess the sourcing - if they are persuaded, the article will be kept. GirthSummit _(blether) 13:29, 26 December 2020 (UTC)

Okay bud there thank you, there are many other articles that Lady K Soul has. She's been in many of our local newpapers too but it's really hard finding it on Google. The only links I could find are the ones that she shared as a memory on social media. Quinton Daniels (talk) 13:32, 26 December 2020 (UTC)

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Lack of information and a lot of wrong facts

I edited the page to explain thoroughly for the world what Function Medicine is. Your article does not describe FM, and this completely distorted and totally flawed article is a terrifying example of source criticism. Wikipedia is not to be trusted as long as thinkers and speculators can rule the roost like this.

Since the EU and a whole world of researchers, universities and doctors are now preparing an implementation of functional medicine, I would like to see how your article contributes in any way...! The plan they have made goes towards 2030 and full implementation. Do not contact me if you get sick, you have a wrong understanding of life, and do not understand basic science! My article explains and states facts. Your article states your personal opinion and shows a total lack of knowledge. That is why I changed it.

I am a teacher, a skilled health-advisor and a researcher with political background for more than 20 y.

If you find ANYTHING wrong in my article, make a howl!

--Piawelde (talk) 14:02, 31 December 2020 (UTC)Pia

I'm howling. -Roxy the inedible dog . wooF 14:12, 31 December 2020 (UTC)

Piawelde It's not 'my' version of the article - it was written collaboratively by numerous contributors. I wasn't one of them, I just patrol recent changes for vandalism. You accuse others of trying to 'rule the roost', but you are the one wading in and insisting that your version of the article be used, without any discussion with anybody else - that's not how this place works, and it will result in your account being blocked from editing if you persist with it.

From a Wikipedia perspective, there was a lot wrong with your version of the article. This isn't the place to discuss the specifics of the content, but you were including external links inappropriately, and most of your content was not supported by reliable sources. As I said at your talk page, you are welcome to engage at the talk page if you have suggestions for changes (and if you have sources which support them). GirthSummit _(blether) 14:24, 31 December 2020 (UTC)

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Note about some recent edits

Hello again Pasdecomplot, I wanted to drop you a note about a couple of recent edits of yours.

• This one appears to be the removal of reliably sourced content, for reasons I don't understand. As your edit summary acknowledged, the material was sourced to the Sydney Morning Herald, and to Reuters. The assertion made in the article is that "Chinese forces claimed to have found weapons" - that is verifiable from the sources. I could understand that you might be concerned about an assertion along the lines of "Chinese forces found weapons", which was sourced to an unreliable source; but the assertion as written seems factual and reliably sources - you can't just go around removing stuff like that. I see that your removal has been reverted, so there's no action required from you, but I'd be glad if you could either point out something that I've missed, or acknowledge that you understand that you shouldn't make changes like that.
• This one appears to be encroaching on your topic ban again. In our previous discussions on this, I advised you that if you are unsure about the boundaries of that ban, you should approach them with caution. I'm going to repeat that advice. You mention a skewed POV, you says that some edits systematically cast the Chinese government in a somewhat more favorable light, and you name the user who introduced them. You have not flat-out called that other editor biased, but the implication is obvious, and it's totally unnecessary. You could have said "In my view, the prose doesn't currently represent the situation fairly", or even "In my view, the prose in its current state leans too heavily towards the Chinese government position" - either of those statements would explain your concern about the article, and you could have then gone on to suggest some changes. That's how you should be approaching article talk pages, talking about content and sourcing, not editors and POVs.

I hope that's clear; as ever, let me know if you have any questions. I wish you a happy new year, I hope it's better for all of us than this last one has been. Best GirthSummit _(blether) 11:14, 31 December 2020 (UTC)

Happy New Year to you as well. Thanks for the thoughts. I thought it best to move this here, hope that's ok:

• The edits were deleted since their source is CCTV, which is depreciated per RSN, and should be removed per RSN policy. Also, the inline attribution to another paper was false, since the link and ref url was to SMH, which was quoting CCTV. My understanding is it doesn't matter if NYT quoted CCTV, since CCTV is depreciated on the project.
• I'm a bit confused. The last I read, the administrator on the ban is another editor. And, there's a problem with edits at that page as the edit history reveals - another editor has also more recently responded to same issue. If the language at issue here is closely examined, it will be discovered that it's a direct quotation from the same thread in the talk at that page. Does this clarify the issue?

Thanks so much. Pasdecomplot (talk) 16:48, 31 December 2020 (UTC)

Pasdecomplot, why did you think it better to move this here? I'm not going to edit war with you about it, but I'm an administrator approaching you with concerns about your editing - your talk page seemed the natural place for that discussion to take place. I should tell you that my talk page is a much less private space, there are a lot of editors who watch it.

With regard to your comments above:

• No, that is not how we deal with deprecated sources. If NYT says that the Chinese government has claimed something, we can use that as a source to say that the Chinese government has claimed something - it doesn't matter what their source is. You are right, the attribution was incorrect - you could have easily fixed that, rather than removing the entire paragraph (although in truth, the attribution isn't necessary - with a couple of different RSes confirming that the Chinese government made that claim, it's not contentious).
• I don't really understand what you mean by 'the administrator on the ban is another editor' - the ban is yours, it was implemented by one particular admin, but any administrator can take action over breaches of it. I used my discretion and opted to give you advice, rather than applying a sanction. With regard to the edits in the history of that article, it doesn't matter whether or not you are correct about the edits, you are explicitly prohibited from mentioning that kind of thing at that talk page. Talk about the content, or take it to ANI if you think it's serious enough - those are your options. Please take my advice, I don't want to see you blocked again, but that is likely to be the end result if you keep transgressing that TBan. GirthSummit _(blether) 17:04, 31 December 2020 (UTC)

Please don't refactor stuff after it's been replied to. Add anything you want to below this, but there is already a link to the diff at the top of this thread. GirthSummit _(blether) 17:40, 31 December 2020 (UTC)

Gosh, there wasn't a reply when I edited to add the possibly overlooked diff on the deletion. So, here it is [16]

which specifically mentions CCTV and the rationale for the good faith deletion. As can be ascertained in the deleted text, the inline attribution to another paper was also false, since the link and ref url was to SMH, which was quoting CCTV. My understanding is it doesn't matter if NYT quoted CCTV, since CCTV is depreciated on the project. MarkH21's edit summary revert seems to disagree. So, the recent edit clarifies the correct source as SMH and their source as CCTV here [17]. But even that's been reverted. Hum. Pasdecomplot (talk) 17:54, 31 December 2020 (UTC)

Pasdecomplot, of course it's been reverted, it was flat-out wrong. Seriously, have you actually read what I've written above? No, that's not how we treat deprecated sources. Attribution isn't necessary, there are two separate RSes there supporting the content, it shouldn't be in any way contentious. GirthSummit _(blether) 18:00, 31 December 2020 (UTC)

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