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Be Bold!

Sam [Spade] 21:26, 9 Nov 2004 (UTC)

Thanks, I will try my best. --Olaf Simons 08:50, 5 August 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Your user page

An anon user has just written to your user page. It doesn't seem to be offensive, so I assume that it's actually you. It's best always to sign in before making edits. Mel Etitis (Μελ Ετητης) 13:09, 10 Apr 2005 (UTC)

de:Roman

I've started translating this, perhaps you'd like to take a look and let me know if I've made any silly mistakes (with room for poetic licence!) at User:Saintswithin/Draft translations. I'm not sure how well it will fit in with the present article Novel, perhaps you'd like to take over the task of fitting it in there when I've finished? Saintswithin 18:38, Jun 23, 2005 (UTC)

Cult Classic

Nett von Dir, Deine Hilfe anzubieten. Ich wuerde mir die Uebersetzung schon zutrauen, allerdings habe ich genau wie Du Respekt vor den kulturellen Unterschieden, die sich nicht unbedingt uebertragen lassen. OTOH koennten wir einen angelsaechsischen Kollegen bitten, die Dinge, die zu spezifisch "deutsch" sind, zu aendern?! Waerst Du bereit, die interne Verlinkung zu pruefen bzw. vorzunehmen, wie ich mir erhofft hatte? Lucien the Librarian 17:20, 2 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Klar mach ich bei der Verlinkung mit. Ganz guter Typ für die Mitarbeit könnte User:Jmabel sein, der mir beim Roman-Artikel mit gutem Gefühl für die Dinge zur Seite stand. Klopf doch mal bei ihm an. Gruß, --Olaf Simons 17:51, 2 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]


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Hi, with regards to this image, I think you will be better off adding one of the "copyright expired" tags to the image. Since this is an image from a 17th (?) century publication, I don't think you'll have copyright issues. However, please specify an appropriate copyright tag. Refer to WP:ICT to determine what tag applies to your image. AreJay 18:33, 9 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Olaf Simons, Image shows 1692, it does not mean that it is made in 1692, it might be made some 40 years back, then this does not fulfil the criteria to tag {{PD-old}}, please mention when it had made and when author of the image died? and then tag appropriately by removing no-source tag. If you have any doubt, please let me know. Thank you, Shyam (T/C) 18:55, 9 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Well most of these copies I made in libraries and I do not intend to die so quickly. --Olaf Simons 19:31, 9 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Pish-posh. Title pages are covered by the Bridgeman case. PD-old is perfectly applicable -- or it has been with every other title page on Wikipedia. Geogre 03:11, 10 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Robert Gould

Thanks for the kind words. In fact, for my doctoral dissertation, I did 7 of his satires, including "Corruption of the Times," but the ones I did best with were the cornerstones -- "Play-house" and "Woman," and I thought my "Mankind" was weak. I confined myself to the first editions and establishing a variorum of the Works. In some cases, the changes to Works were so enormous that they're different poems (Play-house, in particular). I've been regularly astonished at how little attention Gould has gotten. The only things out in print are wretched Augustan Reprint Society stuff done by Felicity Nussbaum (and I have some private proof that her work is ... well... I wouldn't refer to it). You should try to find the Eugene Sloan biography. It's the only thing out there that treats the man with respect and does the detective work. I have a fully notated Woman, but I'm not sure about copyrights and whether they're mine or not. I'll have to check into it, and this is somewhat complicated by whether I want to publish my edition or not by an academic press. That said, it should be possible for me to do a "lite" version that would constitute novel work and not impinge upon existing copyrights. I'm delighted to encounter someone else who even knows about Gould, much less is working on texts. Geogre 03:08, 10 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]

No question, The Corruption of Mankind was weak - I stumbled upon it checking for poetry with "money" in the title and liked it for the good amount of stereotyping and blunt humour (ask Google for money+18th century and you'll understand the peculiar search). Well, to see what turn-of-that-century people thought; with an interest in their culture and (hidden) general attitudes I extremely enjoyed him for being so blunt and direct. A Marteau edition would include original prefaces and it would try to give the feel of the thing - I usually reproduce grosser mistakes and note smaller corrections in square brackets (I can still offer the correct words in a commentary). One should be able to see what readers actually got. Copyright - should not that be a problem if you offer a text of the first edition. Anyone should be allowed to do that. The only problem I see is if you plan a book edition. You might not like to become your own competitor with a web-edition. In any case you'd be your own publisher with Marteau. The rest of us are scholars helping each other with html. I would most certainly enjoy an html-edition of his works, we should give it an individual design, it would be a nice project. Contact me at [1] to get at least a login for the Marteau-Wiki I installed over the last weekend. best -Olaf Simons 08:32, 10 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I'm interested in doing up at least the most in-demand poem (Satyr on Woman), but I'm currently over-committed academically. In early May, I should be out from under some obligations I've already made, and I can put up an annotated Satyr on Woman. By the way, if you're interested, Wikipedia finally has an article on Fleetwood Sheppard. Sheppard was Gould's patron in a monetary sense, and Gould writes verse epistles to him. Now, that doesn't make Gould very unique, as Sheppard was friend to a whole tribe of poets who were in need of funds, but it does put him in the company of Matthew Prior and John Oldmixon. The DNB says that Oldmixon was a friend of Gould's, but I don't recall that in Sloane and thus don't know the evidence for it. (There are stylistic similarities between the two, but that's not very indicative.) Anyway, if anyone would be interested in who Sheppard was, I figured you would. Geogre 01:16, 14 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Wikipedia is magic. Back in 2004, when I wrote my first articles on the German wiki, people there complained that I misunderstood Wikipedia - it was not a dictionary for specialists (and my de:Literature article created a row with the note that the whole thing was a 19th century invention). Today things are different. I get complaints where I have not gone into details with the most marginal subjects. Specialists stumbe over these articles I wrote on marginal folks - and demand to get special expertise there. If we had considered to turn Marteau into a database of c.1700 folks when founding our site in 2001 we have completely abandoned that idea. We'll rather focus on things Wikipedia cannot do ...like beautiful text-editions.
What I would like to offer at Marteau is sites on the infrastructure of places. "Virtual Amsterdam", "Virtual London" - these cities at Marteau with a focus on the decades 1650-1750 with all the information you need: Where are the cofee houses? where are the brothels? Where can I cash my bills of Exchange, where do I go to church? Maps on all kinds of subjects. Wikipedia cannot do that: create a landsacape of another time. It has to offer the complete history wherever you go. Time travel should be something for Marteau. Get into the late 17th and early 18th-century world, and all links will remain within this world... --Olaf Simons 09:51, 14 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]

There is a single (still!) book on the coffee houses of 18th c. London, so far as I recall. I remember thinking that it would have been a great project for someone (i.e. a doctoral student) to find out about the coffee houses precisely and discuss their salons. The book that I'm thinking of dates from about 1910 and was written from a local antiquarian impulse in London. All the same, it does talk about some of them, along with their clients (we know of Button's and Will's, and of course Lloyd's (of London), but the Athenaeum was where the Royal Society would hang out). That aspect of 18th c. London has always been intriguing to me. One reason, I think, that the literature can carry on sustained and consistent political argument is that the writers were hanging out with each other at single-party and ideological coffee shops. Geogre 11:30, 14 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I think I heard of some one who wrote his dissertation about London's Coffe-Houses only recently. I know whom I should ask. Anyway: I just opened two sites at Marteau for these projects I'd like to use the wiki for. The one is Virtual Cities where we might easly found Virtual London as a growin repertory of London 1650-1750, and to see what one could do I opened the section for Londons Book shops... well, let's see whether this will begin to grow. In any case you should get your Marteau login. --Olaf Simons 21:53, 14 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]

For the book sellers, be sure to read our article on Edmund Curll. (Yes, I wrote it, from DNB accounts.) I know something of John Nutt, Bernard Lintot, Thomas Lintot, Benjamin Tooke, and John Dunton and their shops/presses. Curll had several shops over time. I ran across a strange one in the form of Elinor James, who was an author/printer who ranted in her broadsheets. (These are all from the 1690's - 1720's. Later, Susanna Centlivre bought a press (40's).) Anyway, the presses were often the shops, too, and I know that there have been quite a few good books on the print culture. There should be much to do there, with each shop's address being on the flyleaf. I do plan to get involved as soon as I get out from some of my academic obligations. (My article production, for example, has slowed greatly as I've gotten serious about researching Henry Carey.) I'm looking forward to working on it soon. Geogre 03:34, 16 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]

...never heard of Carey. The others - Curll, there is this marvellous biography, written somewhen around 1927 with the funny title The incredible Mr. Curll - well, yes its an interesting period (Dunton is one of my favorites, I read a number of his books - he is an absolute master of goot titels like The Art of Living Incognito) (and then he wrote about his coleagues, his marriage and all other things with a nice focus on scandal and "using his pen for his sword"). Aah, I have to return to my removal (which I hate). Im am going to teach the History of the English Novel again and plan to get into the period 1450-1700. In my earlier work I spent a decade on the decade 1710-1720 with an interest in the European situation (well I read mostly stuff written between 1680 and 1720). Now I should do more about the earlier developments which I tried to depict with the c.1700 perspective so far...

The funny thing is that I got my start with the Tory satirists in the Scribblerus Club, and it's very hard to shake the polemics that they fought. One tends to reiterate their battles, even if one knows it's silly. Thus, I cannot convince myself to like Dunton, even though I ought not care. The 18th century folks were so good at creating a war in words that even contemporary readers get convinced, sucked in, and live in their worlds to a degree that, for example, I do not think the Victorians managed. They were as political, in their way, but it's harder to get overwhelmed. (I forgot to mention Nathaniel Mist. I was relieved to finally get information on him. I have other places argued that the English in the 18th century faced the same valuative crisis with commonplace printing as we do with the world wide web: the barrier to publication has disappeared all at once, and therefore it is impossible to tell good from bad by the spine of the book, and therefore salacious titling is a premium.) Curll has had another biography since the 20's, I think. I remember hitting the title in the DNB article, but he's such an odious, Rupert-Murdoch-like character that he's hard to spend time with. Geogre 14:36, 16 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]

"...faced the same valuative crisis with commonplace printing as we do with the world wide web..." feel like I said the very same thing, and it s not only true for England. Go to Hamburg, Leipzig, Halle and Jena, the first a city of 120,000 with a fashionable young urban scene gathering around the opera, the other three university cities, and you find 20 year olds bringing little novels to the printers. They write under pseudonyms and they feel safe, they cannot be detected, as long as they hide within their age- and peer group. How they behave? Like vandals at wikipedia. They publish urban scandals, write about whose daughters they seduced, etc. Have you red the Onania published in numerous editions in the early 18th century? I read the 1723 edition - with all these reports people brought to the bookseller, who would pass them to the anonymous author who would then augment his next edition with their experiences. You've got women speaking freely since in print they can do what they cannot otherwise. It is safer for them to get published than to ask their doctors or midwifes. This is very much the situaltion of all the anonymous chatrooms, and guest books... (stupid that I did not publish my book on the English and German markets of novels in English - I felt so much more comfortable writing German over the 700 pages...) Our little conversation made me wikify one of our articles. It's easier to wikify the historical people than to find good articles on the modern terminology of finances and insurances which have not changed since Halley's days: link

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Sheesh. A title page can be treated as old art. The graphical design was done by the printer back in 1719. That's definitely PD-old. Xerography does not constitute a new artwork. Geogre 13:49, 11 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]
That is what I thought. I have hence insterted the tags for covers and old works and removed the copyright-alarms. --Olaf Simons 13:57, 11 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Marteau

Morning Joe. (Getting used to saying "Good Morning" all times as I am just organising my removal from Munich to Germany's north where I shall teach the history of the English novel for a couple of semesters...

This is to give you the link to an article I recently wrote: Pierre Marteau - and where again I feel I mixed some German grammar into my English. I'd be most happy to see you turn my lines into something more elegant wherever I failed. Best, --Olaf Simons 11:21, 14 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

(If I should add more to this article let me know and I'll be able to go into details wherever the reader might enjoy this.)

The Indian Queen

Thanks very much for expanding the article. I'll do a clean-up/expand later on today. Cheers, Moreschi 12:13, 4 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Ah, I just cleaned it up a little bit. May be my seminar will add some thoughts. Any improvement on my bloody German language will be wellcome. And I do not know whether I should say something more about the differences between the play's first version and the version with additional songs - it did not grow considerably. --Olaf Simons 13:21, 5 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

About Novel

Hello Olaf, I'm translating with a friend the article novel (good work!) for the Spanish Wikipedia (see here: es:novela). We've found a problem with the list of important novels, since in es it's primary source. I'm not sure whether you are the one to create the section, but it you are not, maybe you can point me to somebody else who may have some kind of reference. Thanks, --Urumi 17:06, 24 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Hi Urumi, you send me a painful reminder since I always planned to take care of a better continuation of that article - the passages referring to developments after 1750 are rather sketchy. The list of titles you refer to developed in a kind of compromise. Sometimes this list grows and sometimes people remove items. I am not quite sure what problem you have with a comparable Spanish list. One should refer to books one has within the Spanish Wiki, and one should probably mention titles one wants to see treated in individual articles... Tell me where I can help - since it seems I have read quite some of the older novels, and it remains work I do enjoy. Best --Olaf Simons 19:01, 24 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

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OK I just wrote the bloody article with all the knowledge I could find. --Olaf Simons 11:20, 31 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I hadn't realised that Dick Head redirected to our illustrious author - good catch! Iain99 13:37, 2 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

'twould be nice if someone with a native's command of English read through my lines - I tend to make these Teutonic mistakes. --Olaf Simons 13:43, 2 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]
OK, I've done a bit of copyediting and hopefully it reads a bit clearer now - but feel free to revert any or all of my edits if you think I've lost any information. Best, Iain99 21:09, 2 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks - seems fine (I am not quite sure whether I should call Winstanley a "friend" - yet otherwise... (I should offer a seminar on the English Rogue and read it with the famous Grimmelshausen - Head has always been on my list yet I never found the patience to dive into his volumes). --Olaf Simons 07:36, 3 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

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Interesting note about Germany's cultural studies, or lack thereof, but...

I liked reading your addition about German cultural studies' comparative state of underdevelopment, but it is a digression from the topic. I mean, we could have similar notes about why Spain/Portugal/Japan/Thailand hasn't embraced the framework, but... It would be more relevant on a page titled German cultural studies: something we could really use! --Smilo Don 19:35, 10 September 2007 (UTC) P.S. Note that it might work on German studies. That page needs help, for sure. --Smilo Don 19:38, 10 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I agree - and I only added this note since the article came to a vague "perhaps" statement. I feel I can tell why German intellectuals feel uneasy about stepping into the movement - they can easily associate with French and Anglo-Saxon scholars, they feel less easy about their own traditions - it was not more. What is more important is the fact that you can hardly write such an article without mentioning Walter Benjamin and Siegfried Kracauer - they were highly influential in the English speaking world, and here I feel less much easy about your revert. --Olaf Simons 06:44, 11 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Hi Olaf. You might be right about getting W. Benjamin in there. Kracauer has extremely limited influence in anglophone cultural studies. He's not put in any anthologies and hardly ever quoted. I'd say Benjamin and others deserve inclusion long before Kracauer. Anyway, I would encourage you to begin German cultural studies. It may not be as developed as the Brit/North Am tradition, but it surely deserves mention! And if you can get Benjamin into the cultural studies article, that would be great too. Apologies if my edit was a bit forceful. Regards, --Smilo Don 13:37, 11 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Kracauer moved to the US in 1941 and stayed there (with the exception of journeys) until his death in 1966. He received prestigious grants and scholarships to write books in the field of film studies - an avantgardistic topic at the time, which he handled with a mixture of collective psychoanalysis and leftist cultural criticism. You might take a look at such progressive titles as "National Types as Hollywood Presents Them", Public Opinion Quarterly 13 (Spring 1949), Nr. 1, S. 53-72 - a work commissioned by the UNESCO. (Not to mention his famous From Caligari to Hitler. A Psychological History of the German Film published with Princeton University Press in 1947) I am well aware that there is little memory of those who inspired the first wave of cultural studies, yet that is to some extend the case since those who followed later and who successfully claimed the merits once the subject was established obscured our picture.
PS: I will not write an article like German cultural studies mostly because authors like Benjamin and Kracauer developed much of their influence elsewhere, long before German intellectuals began to read them. Cultural studies are an international field, and the article is quite rightly written with an international perspective. --Olaf Simons 15:27, 11 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]
OK--many thanks for the dialogue. P.S. I snipped from cultural marxism and created W.F. Haug. Could use some help from a Teutonic voice, as you put it. :) --Smilo Don 15:48, 11 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]
I took a look at Haug and added (no original research) bits and pieces the German WP offered. Sorry that I cannot do anything better at the moment. --Olaf Simons 09:56, 12 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Article Novel

I see that you are working on that article. This means that it is not necessary that I am keeping its history feed into my reader. If you stop with keeping eye on this article, please let me know that. --millosh (talk (meta:)) 19:42, 25 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

The article has been on my watchlist for the last two years and it is likely to stay there - should doo something on the missing chapters after 1750 during this winter... --Olaf Simons 19:47, 25 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]
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The same again and again - and the same answer always: this is too old. --Olaf Simons (talk) 09:46, 14 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Mittelhochdeutsch

Kannst du schreib der Stub über Kurów in Mittelhochdeutsch hier (http://kurow-wiki.openhosting.pl/wiki/de-gmh:Kurow) – just a few sentences based on http://kurow-wiki.openhosting.pl/wiki/de:Kurów (if Mittelhochdeutsch ist similar to Deutsch du kannst copy it from Deutsch and change words on Mittelhochdeutsch)? Nur 5-10 sentences enough. Bitte.

PS. Der Artikel über Kurów ist already in 276 Sprachen und Dialekten. If your Dorf/Stadt isn't yet on PL wiki, ich kann schreib der Artikel über es. (Ich bin erste Autor von Requesten) Pietras1988 DISKUSSION Pietras1988 (talk) 11:52, 23 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

My apologies - I do not see the Mittelhochdeutsch task. Kurow is a place in Poland, I master Mittelhochdeutsch, the 13th-century version of modern German, yet where is the textppassage in Mittehchdeutsch you want me to translate? best --Olaf Simons (talk) 15:22, 23 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]
OK, schade. Auf Wiedersehen. Pietras1988 (talk) 17:32, 23 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

The Novels WikiProject Newsletter - Issue XXII - March 2008

The March 2008 issue of the Novels WikiProject newsletter has been published. You may read the newsletter, change the format in which future issues will be delivered to you, or unsubscribe from this notification by following the link. Thank you. This is an automated delivery by KevinalewisBot --17:29, 7 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

WikiProject Germany Invitation

Hello, Olaf Simons! I'd like to call your attention to the WikiProject Germany and the German-speaking Wikipedians' notice board. I hope their links, sub-projects and discussions are interesting and even helpful to you. If not, I hope that new ones will be.

--Zeitgespenst (talk) 22:36, 10 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

nice to hear - though the German flag will always make me feel uneasy - don't know why. --Olaf Simons (talk) 09:43, 11 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

WikiProject Novels - 1st Coordinators Election

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The Novels WikiProject Newsletter - Issue XXIII - April 2008

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The Novels WikiProject Newsletter - Issue XXV - June 2008

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Calling all active WP:NOVELS members

WikiProject Novels Roll Call

WikiProject Novels is currently holding a roll call, which we hope to have annually. Your username is listed on the members list, but we are unsure as to which editors are still active within the project. If you still consider yourself an active WP:Novels editor, please add your name back to the Active Members list. Also feel free to join any of our task forces and take a look at the project's Job Centre to get involved!

Next month we will begin the coordinator election selection process. We hope to have more involvement and input this time around! More news will be forthcoming. Thanks, everyone! María (habla conmigo) 18:47, 8 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

WikiProject Novels Newsletter - September 2008

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The Novels WikiProject Newsletter
Issue XXVI - September 2008
Project news
Member news
  • The members list is currently under review so we have moved all past active member's name to a Incumbent List and are doing a Project Roll Call. If you still consider yourself an active WP:NOVELS editor, please add your name back to the Active Members List. You may also wish to add your name to any of our many Project Task Forces.
Task force news
Novel-related news
  • Devil May Care, written by Sebastian Faulks ("writing as Ian Fleming"), has become Penguin Books fastest selling hardcover fiction title. It is the latest installment in the book series about British secret agent James Bond and was released to coincide with the 100th anniversary of late Bond creator Ian Fleming's birthday on May 28, 1908.
  • Me Cheeta: the Autobiography, written by a ghostwriter, is the autobiography of Cheeta the Chimp who is listed in the Guinness World Records as the oldest recorded non-human primate at the age of 76. He has appeared in various movie roles which included twelve Tarzan movies and even battled addiction to alcohol and cigars. The book is not published until October 1, but judges for the 2008 Guardian First Book Award were sent a early version and were so impressed that they have included it on the 10-strong longlist.
  • Stephenie Meyer, who is listed by Time magazine as one of its 100 most influential people of 2008, has decided not to continue with writing her draft for Midnight Sun after 12 chapters of the unfinished manuscript were leaked on the internet.
Current debates
  • Categories for Discussion has a series of discussions about whether to categorize certain specific types of fictional characters: double agents, dictators, characters with eidetic memory, etc. Advice from any Novels project members would be valuable in assisting them.
  • WikiProject Media franchises aims to help editors with the coordination of articles within the thousands of media franchises which exist and has requested input from our members. They are currently discussing a naming convention for franchise articles. Since this may affect one or more articles in our Novel project, they would like to get opinions before implimenting any changes.
From the Members

With the Newsletter being almost three months overdue, I have decided to take on the position of Editor to make sure it reaches you regularly on time each month. The Newsletter is meant to inspire and encourage our team of Editors and so my goal shall be to make it informative and interesting each issue.

We now have many positions vacant in our Project Team, so we are looking for members who have the time and interest to take on the various roles, details of which can be found at the Job Centre. Shortly a Coordinator nominations notice shall also be sent out to all members, which will commence the annual Coordinator selection process.

Next month's Newsletter will include a message from our Coordinator Maria, who will introduce herself and speak on our forthcoming elections for extra Coordinators.

Boylo (talk), Editor

Collaboration of the Month
Newsletter challenge

Our last newsletter's challenge The Pure Land was completed by our member Maclean25, who also provided us with tipline news for this newsletter.

  • The first person to start the article is mentioned in the next newsletter. This month's article is Leslie Ann Moore's first book in her fantasy 'Griffin's Daughter' trilogy, which was named by the Independent Book Publishers Association as the 2008 Ben Franklin Award winner for Best First Fiction, Griffin's Daughter.
    Note: This article was previously deleted due to lack of notability, but that now can be established since winning this award.

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The WikiProject Novels Newsletter - October 2008

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The Novels WikiProject Newsletter
Issue 27 - October 2008
Project news
Member news
Task force news
Member in Focus
  • Yllosubmarine (talk · contribs) has been a member of the Novels WikiProject for nearly two years, and a coordinator since May. Aside from her work outside the project (including four FAs and six GAs in various areas), she has been active in the Project's Assessment and Peer Review departments. She hopes to continue in these roles as well as help encourage more activity and community research within the Project. With the upcoming coordinator election, she hopes that others will volunteer to become more active in their roles as Project members so that we can continue to provide quality articles to the readers of this encyclopedia.
María (habla conmigo)
Current debates
From the Outreach Department

On the advice of Coordinator Maria, the newsletter is now only distributed to active listed members of the Novels Project. A new section has started with this issue called 'In Focus', which will feature various members and task forces each month.

Members are requested to post any news items to the Tip Line (found above) to make sure it reaches the next newsletter before closing date, which is always the last day of the preceding month. Any task force news should be added by the coordinator of that task force. Having news items helps inform members of what is happening at the various task forces and so can be a way of encouraging more membership and participation.

Editors are required to assist with the newsletter for Task Force News and Peer Reviews & Assessments News, which involves the gathering of news items from the main project and the various task forces. These positions may be applied for at the Job Centre.

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Collaboration of the Month
Newsletter challenge

Our last newsletter's challenge Griffin's Daughter was uncompleted.

The WikiProject Novels Newsletter - November 2008

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The Novels WikiProject Newsletter
Issue 28 - November 2008
Member news
  • Coordinators election voting and question time is now open. Project members should vote for any candidates they wish to support by November 28 at the Coordinator Elections. Yllosubmarine, aka Maria, has decided not to be reappointed, her work as sole Coordinator since the last elections in May is highly appreciated by all members of the project.
  • The Novels Project now has 88 active members.
  • 18 positions remain unfilled at the Job Centre. Members who are active project contributors are encouraged to apply even if they can only do a position for a short time.
  • Ladywitchthought has taken on the position of coordinator for the "Lemony Snicket task force".
Project news

- Contributors are the_ed17, Maclean25 & Captain-tucker (who searched the archives).

Task force and related news
– Position of editor for 'Task force news' is still available at the Job Centre.
Peer review and assessment news
– the_ed17 (talk), Editor – Peer review and assessment news
Member in Focus
  • Hi, I have been around this project for quite some time now. Bit of a hiatus earlier this year, but back now just contributing. The Novels WikiProject wasn't started by me but my interest in the subject initially attracted me to what was here. It has developed substantially in the last few years and now takes in all forms of Narrative Prose Fiction within its scope. We are about the content not the format of the prose so WP:Books differs a little in that an implied format is entailed; also they can also focus more clearly on non-fiction. WP:Literature are the "new boys on the block" and are a little more focused on the "quality" aspects of literature, and again they have less emphasis on pure fiction and the prose aspect. Our biggest problem is to maintain a certain focus of interest across such a broad subject area and we need workers who can develop task forces, teams for assessment, teams for peer review and so much more. "So much to do, so little time, I'm late, I'm late, I'm late" to misquote from Alice in Wonderland.

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Current debates
  • The featured list Narnian timeline has been nominated for removal. You can comment here. The Narnian timeline is a featured list, which means it has been identified as one of the best lists produced by the Wikipedia community.
Novel related news
From the Outreach Department

As I shall be leaving Wikipedia, this will be my last newsletter. Any member who is interested in taking over the role of editor can sign up for the position at the Job Centre.

Over the last month I have been working on a portal for our project. So am happy to announce that the Novels Portal is now up and running.

Boylo (talk), Editor

Boylo:
Thank you for getting this newsletter back on its feet and going again. No Boylo equals no Novels Portal...heck, without you, we wouldn't have had a newsletter for these past months...so, for all of the members of the Novels WikiProject, I want to thank you for the time and effort you have put into this project, and I wish you the best of luck in all of your future endeavors. Thanks, pal.
the_ed17 (talk)
Collaboration of the Month
  • This month's Collaboration has been selected by popular vote and is : Novel.
    As this is our Project's premier article, all members are asked to assist.
    The next collaboration is due for selection on 21 November, 2008 so cast your vote.
Newsletter challenge

Our last newsletter's challenge The Cater Street Hangman was uncompleted.

  • The first person to start the article is mentioned in the next newsletter. This month's article is Mindplayers by science fiction author Pat Cadigan.
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Novel Article

I'd like to know what you've done to the novel article. You completely dismantled everything the Collaboration Task Force did without so much as a note. This isn't your private article. There should be a discussion if you're going to tear perfectly good material apart. I'm upset that you continue to fly over modern literature in general terms while having vast amounts of information on past ages of literature, this despite the fact that the novel has ballooned more this last century then in all other centuries. Please tell me why you felt it fit to tear up all the summary intros of major genre fiction which developed primarily in the 20th Century? Because this was the whole reason the Collaboration Group got involved, to add information in the 20th century. I'm particularly upset you almost entirely deleted my very detailed and very well written bit on Stream of Conscious. Sure I edit other people's work a bit, tweak wording, rearrange sentences, but I do not completely delete and gut good work without telling them. You kept the barest reference and pretty much flew over the technique,failing to even state what its effect was or its importance in modern literature. And, someone had the kindness to write a beautiful, well informed history of Sci-Fi literature in the 20th century and you completely gutted that too. I'm not going to lie, I'm very angry here. I want the previous format restored; you don't have a right to make all editorial decisions for the article. If you want to add you own touches to the previous work and format, fine then, feel free. So, assuage me.--Robert Waalk (talk) 18:34, 8 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Also, you should understand why I'm angry. We didn't screw with your good work on the article, we had the decency not to. I and others worked are butts off to cover areas you had left out, and then you competely get rid of it? I can't even detect a single sentence from my original work, (and I am a Literature major). I like the information you put in, and I'm glad you added more of your knowledge and information and vocabulary terms throughout it, but why, why couldn't you work that into the prexisting text and outline as we had it? As It is I really don't like the article itself, it is still to vague and fails to go into enough detail on the 20th century. Whereas you spent 75% of the article on maybe 20% of novel and literature development up to the 20th century, you fly over the 20th century. I want to introduction and dicussion of genre and literary developments in the novel and literature in general added back to the article.--Robert Waalk (talk) 18:34, 8 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]
First thing: nothing is lost, hence I felt free to do what I did. Second thing: The article must have a coherent plot line. I deletet passages on fantasy, may be I see this differently indeed - that's good for an article on fantasy, yet the article must not be a selection of brief versions of different full articles. The references to the stream of consciousness got a different position.
For two years or three I had hoped someone would finish this text - I had gone to 1750, it was a fragment on both sides of the Atlantic, the English and the German version ended around 1750 or 1770. Finally, people over here contacted me and asked me whether I could finish and re-balance it. Some 50:50 ratio on early stuff and 19th ant 20th century. After the German part was done I began revising the entire English thing, well aware that I'd be watched while doing so - and that anyone could stop me if I did a terrible job. Revise the thing, shift the emphasis, where you feel it is good to do so! My main target was to give it a story, developments. I decided to focus on the novel and its role in the public sphere and in the intimacy of reading. The segments that followed after the 1770s were basically short versions of longer articles. There was no clear story leading from stream of consciousness to fantasy, that's why I decided to give it at least one line to be then augmented with facets. I'd be delighted if the text generated thoughts into directions I have not considered and I hope the framework allows inclusions of topics I left out. Here is the comparison link between now and January 28th
http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Novel&diff=269356435&oldid=266925466
and this is the version January 28th version I revised and whose latter parts I replaced
http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Novel&oldid=266925466
If you want to go back to it - again, I'll not fight. I just had the bad feeling that people expected me not to leave it the way I did with: "anyone to continue, do it". Shall I confess I feel uneasy about my entire work? I did confess it on the novel-project page, asking the community to do help me improve it or delete it if they feel its rather a step backwards than one into the direction of leading threads together. --19:55, 8 February 2009 (UTC)
I had no idea the extent of you what your work the last few weeks had been. So I was rather surprised to see how much it had altered, a huge amount of work was done in just the last week. I would have been glad to talk to you though, and assist and brainstorm with you if you had told me that you wanted to go through another big revision of it and try to steamroll it and make it more consistent.--Robert Waalk (talk) 23:01, 8 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Well, the longer process took place on the German project, that's why I could do it that quickly over here (the first version had been a translation from the German, the connection had a longer tradition). Still: I'd love to see it improved, revised - it's a wiki, the text is a proposal for a more coherent article (or is it of a more coherent article? I which English was my native tongue). If you feel uneasy about editing into the present article or reverting it: take the old version and try to write something coherent in a sandbox to do the job better than I did, and replace then, or tell me where you feel this has to be done differently and I will try it myself. There is no final WP-version, at least not this year if my information on the financing is right. --Olaf Simons (talk) 09:37, 9 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Okay, I tried a few things, tell me what you think. Went along and added more on Stream of Consciousness where I thought it deserved and a reference to Naguib Mahfouz in accordance with Salman Rushdie and the Fatwa. Also tried to shorten and make some of your subject headings a little more wieldy, as they are, in English, they are little bit sprawling and unwieldy, almost in an intimidating way. Please tell me what you think of the two headings I've changed so far and tell me if you were okay with me going through and doing that with the rest of them. I may help more and add more of my thoughts as I go. The information is good, and the writing is good the only problem is that some places, while informative, are unfortunate thick and a little hard to understand. I'll try to go through and when I run into those knots try to reword and restructure sentences and paragraphs to make them a little bit easier to understand. I'd love it also if you could help me find some sources for Steppenwolf, another one of my pet projects. As it is lacks enough sources to be anywhere near FA status. Not to mention I still have a big section to write outlining the plot of the Magic Theater and the it's metaphorical significance, for which I would also be indebted to any perspective you could give me so that I use in my interpertation of it and sources as well to work together into strings of possible significance and meaning.--Robert Waalk (talk) 03:25, 11 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Two or three things:

  • Headlines, I agree should be short. Yet I'd like to have them as a plot line. The 20th century: I began it with a reflection of the new media awareness, its now an awareness of global simultaneity. If you want: Marshall McLuhan's "Global village". The sections are then: whom do these titles address? Literary Criticism (that's new), secondly: the world as new audience (Mann, Rushdie, etc.), thirdly the public without using criticism or a broader media coverage (popular fiction). If you just say "Experimental Novel", "other" "popular fiction" the next will come and say: you forgot "magic realism" (which I did), you forgot genre x, genre z, and genre y, lets just create headlines and give abstracts - and then it will become a heap of "my favourite is..."
  • Secondly: The Rushdie-thing, is good yet should be shorter. How than man was stabbed, is not part of the article. The fact that the conflict widened to Arabian authors such as first Muslim Nobel peace price winner Naguib Mahfouz - that's good and an item that ties things together.
  • Hesse, Steppenwolf needs another mentioning at "Künstlerroman" that is part of the 20th-century branch. Details like Magic theatre should be part of the footnote or the article on it.
  • Maybe I should think of another 20th century option: the author who is not integrated into either: discourse with literary critics, discourse with wide public, discourse with popular market. Something like the novel as comparably private field of self exploration... Point is: I do not believe in people publishing novels and doing that for themselves. They do it to be memorized as part of the history of art, they want fame, the noble prize, or fame in the bestseller shelves, money, directly... --Olaf Simons (talk) 10:02, 11 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]
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