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official 2021 White House portrait. (January 2021, April 2021)
4. The lead image is theOfficial portrait, 2021
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who is
as opposed to serving as
when referring to Biden as the president. (RfC July 2021)
46th and current
as opposed to just 46th
when referring to Biden as the president. (RfC July 2021)
"Lawyer" in the lead sentence
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User:Thomascampbell123 added "lawyer" to the first sentence, making it "lawyer and politician". I have removed it pending discussion. I feel it doesn't belong there because, although he has a law degree, he only worked as a lawyer for a year or two before entering politics. He got his law degree in 1968, was admitted to the bar in 1969, was elected to local office in 1970, was elected U.S. senator in 1972 when he was 29, and has held elected office virtually continuously since that time. A politician, he definitely is. Even a politician trained in the law. But a lawyer? That doesn't really describe who he is. Open for discussion, of course. -- MelanieN (talk) 03:51, 31 August 2021 (UTC)
- Wikipedia:Manual of Style/Lead section#Biographies states that the first sentence of a BLP should "neutrally describe the person, provide context, establish notability and explain why the person is notable, and reflect the balance of reliable sources." It also says, "...try not to overload the first sentence by describing everything notable about the subject; instead, spread relevant information over the lead section." The fact that he earned a law degree is mentioned in the third sentence of the article, so I don't think it's worth mentioning it in the first sentence since, as MelanieN noted, it's not what he's notable for. Aoi (青い) (talk) 03:56, 31 August 2021 (UTC)
I was able to find a reliable source to show that he was an attorney. Thomascampbell123 (talk) 04:03, 31 August 2021 (UTC)
Biden is not described enough as a lawyer in credible sources and he is not notable for his law career. It would be WP:UNDUE to put that he is a lawyer in the lead sentence. Iamreallygoodatcheckers (talk) 04:56, 31 August 2021 (UTC)
I don't think this belongs in the first sentence. He is notable as a politician and elected official, not for his legal career. As noted above, the lead section already mentions, further down (third sentence), that he has a law degree, and that should be sufficient for the lead. Neutralitytalk 15:09, 31 August 2021 (UTC)
If he needs to be described as something legal, I'd go with "legislator". That's what he used to do between campaigns, draft, pass and block the law, not dodge, fight, apply or enforce it. Now he's an "executive", which is probably the least likely candidate of the bunch, albeit true enough. InedibleHulk (talk) 00:45, 1 September 2021 (UTC)
No controversy section?
Was just wondering why there's no controversy section. A lot of other presidents have them and Biden has done some controversial stuff that I think would be enough to make a new section. Pyromilke (talk) 17:06, 15 September 2021 (UTC)
- Pyromilke, see WP:CONTROVERSYSECTION. If other POTUS articles have one, go to those talk pages to discuss how to integrate that material into the appropriate sections on those pages. – Muboshgu (talk) 17:09, 15 September 2021 (UTC)
- I just looked at every POTUS bio from FDR to the present, and a couple of random 19th century POTUS articles too. I did not see a single controversy section on any of them. As should be the case. – Muboshgu (talk) 17:42, 15 September 2021 (UTC)
- Per the above they are frowned upon, do you have any specific controversies in mind we do not cover already?Slatersteven (talk) 17:12, 15 September 2021 (UTC)
- By "controversial," might you mean "stuff some people don't like?" soibangla (talk) 17:16, 15 September 2021 (UTC)
- AFAIK, we don't use such sections in the bios of US presidents. GoodDay (talk) 18:36, 15 September 2021 (UTC)
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On September 17th, Pentagon officials admitted that the drone strike did not kill ISIS-K members but instead killed 10 innocent civilians. 65.183.155.90 (talk) 23:39, 17 September 2021 (UTC)
Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 23:56, 17 September 2021 (UTC)
- There were two drone strikes. The one currently mentioned in this article, which happened on August 27, is not the one currently being referred to as having killed civilians, which is the August 29 strike. starship.paint (exalt) 10:47, 19 September 2021 (UTC)
- Added starship.paint (exalt) 14:08, 19 September 2021 (UTC)
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The air strike that supposedly killed isis-k planners was revealed to have actually killed 10 innocent civlians. 64.135.201.49 (talk) 16:59, 18 September 2021 (UTC)
Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. — LauritzT (talk) 17:36, 18 September 2021 (UTC)
- There were two drone strikes. The one currently mentioned in this article, which happened on August 27, is not the one currently being referred to as having killed civilians, which is the August 29 strike. starship.paint (exalt) 10:47, 19 September 2021 (UTC)
- Added starship.paint (exalt) 14:08, 19 September 2021 (UTC)
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A new section is needed about Biden's behaviour with girls' hair and the like. See https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_H5NJZMDumY . 2A00:23C4:4E9F:D101:4453:1CF8:C8A5:1D74 (talk) 13:30, 23 September 2021 (UTC)
- Yuotube is not an RS, care to show that RS care?Slatersteven (talk) 13:37, 23 September 2021 (UTC)
- I think that "Youtube" is spelled "Youtube". If videos are not reliable, I don't know what are. No one is denying that the incidents took place.
- The read wp:rs and wp:rsp and that might give you an idea of what are and are not RS.Slatersteven (talk) 13:50, 23 September 2021 (UTC)
- See https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/meet-creepy-joe-who-sniffs-hair-rubs-noses-and-fondles-your-face-5d3gg3k56 . The Times is said by
- wp:rsp to be reliable.
- The read wp:rs and wp:rsp and that might give you an idea of what are and are not RS.Slatersteven (talk) 13:50, 23 September 2021 (UTC)
- I think that "Youtube" is spelled "Youtube". If videos are not reliable, I don't know what are. No one is denying that the incidents took place.
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