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Hello Robert,

Thank you for your feedback on the Draft:Charlie Bailey (Georgia Politician) page. In regards to the lack of a disambiguation page, I found one under the name Charles Bailey and was wondering if that would work? If so, I am curious if the way the Charlie Bailey page currently links to that disambiguation page is acceptable. Thanks again. LucilleAustero2 (talk) 18:35, 3 June 2022 (UTC)

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ArbCom as a better way to handle disputes

FWIW, seeing the aftermath of the AfD request, where the community did reach a decision in that thread but then failed to take any sort of comprehensive view that meant there were several acrimonious follow-up threads has evolved my thinking on the matter. The problem is that I think you're right that I'm in a minority of arbs here and that even with my revised thinking it's a really hard needle to thread. Arguably by the time the Celestina case request came to ArbCom the "damage had been done". But if it's requested too early then it's not clear that it's going to be the kind of discussion that the structure of ArbCom would handle better. Bottomline is I think ArbCom is an underutilized asset in the community decision making but even if there were more arb support - and here I would be hopeful that such support would grow over time with persuasion - I'm not sure how to actually help the community make better use of it given that we are reliant on the community to file in the first place. Best, Barkeep49 (talk) 18:17, 18 May 2022 (UTC)

Barkeep49, it's a question of what is worse: an Arbcom that is elected from barely enough candidates to fill the seats so whoever they are, most of them will get in, or the unruly, unelected mob of wannabe governance obsessives at ANI. The Celestina case was an ANI exception, it was a horrendously long mess with many long, tl;dr speeches from otherwise respected members of the community, but at least the peanut gallery stayed largely away. There is room for improvement in both processes. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 08:47, 19 May 2022 (UTC)

Oh there's plenty of improvement for ArbCom, no question about that. But that's not really what the question is about. As you note there are plusses and minuses to ArbCom and to ANI. The question is when there are more pluses for ArbCom than ANI, is it possible to use ArbCom more often? In theory I'd like the answer to be yes as I think Robert does but not all Arbs agree (or rather for some arbs the plus of community decision making outweighs any of the minuses). So even if there was support for the concept I'm not sure how it would work in reality. Best, Barkeep49 (talk) 15:26, 19 May 2022 (UTC)

Personally I would support Robert if he chose to run in ACE2022, but from what I know of him I think he's unlikely to run. He's been carrying DRN year after year and clearly has experience with arbitrating. casualdejekyll 14:18, 19 May 2022 (UTC)

Would you like to run for RFA?

You are a remarkable editor in many ways. You would be a good administrator, in my opinion, and appear to be well qualified. You personify an administrator without tools and have gained my support already!

Robert McClenon, you're an obvious candidate for someone who should be an admin, given your high level of experience in many areas of Wikipedia, such as dispute resolution, content reviewing, and other mesopedian work. You also are quite helpful to many editors, and you display high levels of civility. Why not consider running for adminship at some point? 2601:647:5800:1A1F:AC77:9836:F360:B403 (talk) 22:39, 18 May 2022 (UTC)

I concur with the IP. I even tried to put you up once but got stopped before I messed anything up. casualdejekyll 14:15, 19 May 2022 (UTC)

RFA depends partly on who is nominating the candidate. I don't want to run with the backing of IP editors. (I think that the English Wikipedia should follow the lead of the Portuguese Wikipedia, but that is only my opinion.) Robert McClenon (talk) 14:52, 19 May 2022 (UTC)

You are a remarkable editor in many ways. You would be a good administrator, in my opinion, and appear to be well qualified. You personify an administrator without tools and have gained my support already!

Certainly I think you are a benefit to the wiki both with or without the tools, but certainly I would vote for you at RfA. Dreamy Jazz ^{talk to me | my contributions} 16:00, 19 May 2022 (UTC)

Reply to User:Barkeep49 and User:Kudpung and User:Dreamy Jazz

I have a few thoughts in response.

First, at this point, I am now thinking that running for Arb is not a bad idea. The ArbCom election, unlike RFA, is not a toxic process, and is not likely to be dominated either by a few enemies or by editors who basically would prefer that Wikipedia be an anarchy.

Second, my thinking is that conduct disputes should be sent by the community to ArbCom or taken up by ArbCom for various reasons, including if the history of the dispute is lengthy and complex. Many of the community editors in such a dispute may have strong opinions, and only a few of them are probably familiar with all of historical details. However, it may not be apparent on first glance which of two editors was more guilty of conduct violations such as stonewalling, filibustering, casting aspersions, or sealioning. ArbCom, who has been entrusted with the duty of reading the history, may determine that one editor should be only be given a 1RR restriction and the other editor should be topic-banned.

Third, I have previously stated, and will state again, that when an editor has a block log that is half a page long, ArbCom should determine whether the editor is a net negative, or whether the editor simply needs the periodic timeouts, or whether the editor is being baited, in which the baiters should also be sanctioned.

Fourth, community decision-making works well with trolls, flamers, and other semi-obvious misconduct. (Vandals don't even normally get sanctioned by the community because they simply get indeffed by a single admin, and everyone else agrees.) It isn't effective for the less obvious types of conduct that I listed above, because the community does not have the time to read the history and should not be expected to read the history. I think that this is one of the reasons why civil POV pushing is such a persistent problem.

I may have more comments shortly, but that is it for now. Robert McClenon (talk) 04:38, 20 May 2022 (UTC)

@Barkeep49, Barkeep49, and Dreamy Jazz:, Arbcom elections certainly can be toxic. They are not free either of questions from trolls and silly newbs trying to be clever. However, an Arbcom election is possibly not as public as an RfA until actual voting time when IMO a lot of people just go through the list and check the names of users who look familiar, have helped them in the past, or pissed them off. That's why I think voter guides are useful and why I always write one. I also think it will always be unikely that a non admin will obtain an Arbcom seat - unless of course they make up the majority of the available candidates. Now that would really be something I would like to see. BTW, one of the violations Robert omitted to mention was Gaslighting.

I think my overall position on ANI vs Arbcom is clear. An independent paper was commissioned on ANI by the WMF some years ago and the summary was that it was not a particularly successful process. I believe that the only participants should be the plaintiiff, the accused, and admins, with a non involved admin doing the closing. This might invite more admin participation than just the regulars such as Beeblebrox and Drmies. If Arbcom is to be improved, then it must be instilled upon the members that they do more than just tally up the numbers of those who come to the public gallery just to pile on, and that they do some real due diligence and background research into the veracity of the claims of those salivating for sanctions - history has proven that a lot of it is vengeance, even among Arbcom's own number. Given that Arbcom has far fewer members than the Wikipedia has admins, it is sad to note that a surprising number of former arbs have left the committee under a cloud.

That said, the 2021 line up appears to be the most equitable for a long time, but they haven't really had any cases yet that show what they can do. Never having been on Arbcom, it's hard to appreciate the workload, but there are plenty of Arbs who say the routine non-public work takes up a lot of time; if Arbcom is indeed underused, it should nevertheless not become a surrogate for the deprecated RFCU.

I've run for Arbcom a couple of times. I never expected to win a seat. I was just really there to make up the numbers and see which trolls and those with an axe to grind would creep out of the woodwork. As it happens, I didn't actually do too badly, but there are never enough candidates in the running. IN the worst case scenario it could be like a Formula 1 race with only 3 cars - every driver would have a place on the podium and spraying the champers, the likes of Pastors Theo and Oluwa2Chainz among them.

I won't name any names, but it's often very difficult to get rid of some of the nastiest users, especially if they are responsible for the provision of a lot of featured content. A court of law rarely takes mitigating 'do-gooding' into account and once guilty, a convict gets thrown into Belmarsh with the rest of the hardened criminals. Even respected admins have lost their tools for undoing Arbcom blocks of such users. OTOH Arbcom has a habit of defrocking useful admins who really should be councelled and just get a slap on the wrist.

My position on IP editing should also be clear enough by now (or was while I was still active): I will vote for anyone who is running in a platform of abolishment of it. But while that has relatively little to do with the structures of ANI and Arbcom, it would certainly reduce the workload of both systems. Reforms are required in various places - along with a relaxation for example, of the expiry date of CU data. Such reforms can only come from the community but it is a distinct advantage when among those leading the proposals for change are highly regarded and trusted users even if their BARC is occasionally worse than their bite. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 07:04, 20 May 2022 (UTC)

I would agree that many editors see RfA as a pre-requisite to ArbCom. I personally do not care whether the person has the tools and I want to see non-admins on ArbCom. There are some parts of the admin toolkit (such as looking at deleted content) that may be useful for a non-admin ArbCom member. Perhaps an extra user group could be created to grant the viewing of deleted pages to ArbCom members who are not admins. Dreamy Jazz ^{talk to me | my contributions} 10:13, 20 May 2022 (UTC)

Assuming the Arb took Oversight (and I suggest you can't be an effective arb without taking CUOS) they would get access to "deleted content". Best, Barkeep49 (talk) 16:41, 20 May 2022 (UTC)

Robert, I think you've long had a well-developed philosophy around ArbCom and you obviously employ that philosophy when providing comments at case requests. I don't agree with it all but that doesn't matter because the whole idea of ArbCom is to have a diversity of viewpoints. I suspect that you might find some elements of the philosophy would evolve should you ever become an arb as the realities of doing the work changes people. I've long thought that in the right conditions a non-admin candidate could get elected. I think the candidate who'd have the best chance would be one who had never tried RfA but I think the second best chance would be someone with your general profile. If you decide to run again I will look forward to reading what you have to say during the election. Best, Barkeep49 (talk) 16:46, 20 May 2022 (UTC)

Someone who never tried RfA ran last time and got the worst turnout, which I hope is not a bad sign for Robert. casualdejekyll 16:58, 20 May 2022 (UTC)

Happy to see you're considering this, Robert. Whenever I think who the committee needs, you're the first person that comes to mind. – Joe (talk) 09:25, 23 May 2022 (UTC)

Robert, you are in an interesting position. If you were to run at RfA again and it failed again, it would not look good if you were to run at ACE. OTOH, a non admin with your long experience of Wikipedia's back office might make a welcome change on the Committee. If you don't do an RfA and decide to run at ACE, it would arouse curiosity to read what you have to say there and what the results of the election might look like. If Arbcom is your bent (and it appears very much to be), nothing ventured, nothing gained. But I'm not telling you anything you don't know already. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 08:26, 23 May 2022 (UTC)

New Page Patrol newsletter May 2022

New Page Review queue March 2022

Hello Robert McClenon,

At the time of the last newsletter (No.26, September 2021), the backlog was 'only' just over 6,000 articles. In the past six months, the backlog has reached nearly 16,000, a staggering level not seen in several years. A very small number of users had been doing the vast majority of the reviews. Due to "burn-out", we have recently lost most of this effort. Furthermore, several reviewers have been stripped of the user right for abuse of privilege and the articles they patrolled were put back in the queue.

Several discussions on the state of the process have taken place on the talk page, but there has been no action to make any changes. The project also lacks coordination since the "position" is vacant.

In the last 30 days, only 100 reviewers have made more than 8 patrols and only 50 have averaged one review a day. There are currently 810 New Page Reviewers, but about a third have not had any activity in the past month. All 857 administrators have this permission, but only about a dozen significantly contribute to NPP.

This means we have an active pool of about 450 to address the backlog. We cannot rely on a few to do most of the work as that inevitably leads to burnout. A fairly experienced reviewer can usually do a review in a few minutes. If every active reviewer would patrol just one article per day, the backlog would very quickly disappear.

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Closed discussion as requested

Hi Robert, and thanks for your requested closure at WP:ANRFC. The discussion, Talk:Founding Fathers of the United States#RFC on Continental Association, was closed by two other users and me. We neglected to ping you right after the close, so please take this as a belated notice. Thanks again, Firefangledfeathers (talk / contribs) 19:27, 24 May 2022 (UTC)

Your draftification of Marine resources

Hi Robert. I hope you are well. I'm feeling compelled to share some feedback on your recent draftification of Marine resources:

• It is a good idea to check for incoming links before draftifying an article. Your move created redlinks in 27 articles.
• I don't know how any editor could understand how to address a rejection that consists entirely of "This is a dictionary definition", especially considering that the article didn't cite or quote from any dictionaries. The sole source in the article was a United Nations General Assembly resolution. The United Nations General Assembly isn't a dictionary.
• When the topic of an article is literally "all the useful stuff contained in something that covers 70% of the surface of the Earth", it is notable. I can't believe I have to say this. I hope I don't see page moves like this again. Best wishes, Clayoquot (talk | contribs) 05:27, 26 May 2022 (UTC)

Why are you telling AFC submitters they can end up with partial blocks. That's incredibly hostile.

{{Sentback}} is ... bad advice and WP:BITEY. We should not being doing that. Headbomb {t · c · p · b} 08:38, 27 May 2022 (UTC)

If used correctly and with discretion, it's perfectly legitimate. I can think of a dozen recent cases where I might well have used it. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 08:54, 27 May 2022 (UTC)

User:Headbomb - I have removed some of the wording from the template. It doesn't change the fact that tendentious moving of a page back into article space should result in a partial block. Robert McClenon (talk) 17:53, 28 May 2022 (UTC)

That can be address when the time comes, but the warning 'Do not resubmit this draft without addressing the comments of the previous reviewer.' should cover that without being bitey. Headbomb {t · c · p · b} 23:55, 28 May 2022 (UTC)

Depends whom one is warning. As I said: If used correctly and with discretion, it's perfectly legitimate. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 16:00, 29 May 2022 (UTC)

As I said, I have reworded it so that, as requested by Headbomb, it says not to resubmit without addressing the comments of the previous reviewer. There are other stronger warnings that can be used for tendentious editors. Also, what is incredibly hostile is the way some editors either insist on submitting a draft repeatedly or move a draft to article space repeatedly. Robert McClenon (talk) 16:26, 29 May 2022 (UTC)

Draft:Rumel_Ahmed

• Rumel Ahmed · ( talk | logs | links | watch ) · [revisions]

I would like to request the undeletion of this draft deleted under CSD G5. Please restore the page so that I can make edits to it.https://g.co/kgs/bn2QQZ Thank you. "Publish changes" button below —103.124.250.164 (talk) 16:57, 28 May 2022 (UTC) 103.124.250.164 (talk) 16:57, 28 May 2022 (UTC)

Your draft article, Draft:Elissa Auther

Hello, Robert McClenon. It has been over six months since you last edited the Articles for Creation submission or Draft page you started, "Elissa Auther".

In accordance with our policy that Wikipedia is not for the indefinite hosting of material deemed unsuitable for the encyclopedia mainspace, the draft has been deleted. If you plan on working on it further and you wish to retrieve it, you can request its undeletion. An administrator will, in most cases, restore the submission so you can continue to work on it.

Thanks for your submission to Wikipedia, and happy editing. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 16:55, 30 May 2022 (UTC)

User:Liz - At least this time it doesn't tell me, uselessly, that it is about to be deleted. Now it is only telling me uselessly that something I probably only ever moved from a sandbox to draft space has been deleted. I do notice that no one else was notified of the deletion, but it had been someone else's sandbox. I see that blocked sockpuppets are also getting these useless notices. Oh well. Robert McClenon (talk) 17:19, 30 May 2022 (UTC)

Deletion of the Romanian Brazilians pae

Deletion of Romanian Brazilian page. Hello i'm here to say that my page is unlinked and different from the previously deleted page that bare the same name, i had no idea before i created the page that a similar page got deleted but mine cites sources that are used in other pages such as the romania-brazil relations. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Vladdy Daddy Silly (talk • contribs) 23:26, 31 May 2022 (UTC)

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Scott Beaumont

Scott Beaumont New draft entry – please could you let me know how to solve the problem? He is not the sportsman. 84.71.59.249 (talk) 15:14, 2 June 2022 (UTC)

Gehad Hamdy

Thanks. It's a sock mess. I'm sure we'll see the copy pasta back again soon sadly. Star Mississippi 17:17, 2 June 2022 (UTC)

User:Star Mississippi - You made an ambiguous remark about if a neutral AFC reviewer thought there was any merit to the draft. I saw the usual demerit to the draft. After the draft is deleted, another sock will come and create a new version, as you said. AFC reviewers may either just decline the draft as not meeting notability, or notice that the title is salted, and reject the draft, and report another sock. I won't discuss the beans. Robert McClenon (talk) 22:40, 2 June 2022 (UTC)

I responded at the SPI. I'm hoping Girth puts us out of our misery if they concur with the report. I'm tired of whack a mole to be honest, but leave it to others in case they prefer the sock catcher. Star Mississippi 23:51, 2 June 2022 (UTC)

Draft review request

I have two drafts, can you please review? Anything else to improve for now? Draft:Lubna Marium and Draft:Ziaul Hoque Polash these two draft.--Ayatul nish (talk) 19:36, 2 June 2022 (UTC)

Twinkle notices

Hello, Robert,

I saw your message at Twinkle Talk about unwanted notifications of CSD G13s that resulted from redirects that you created after moving a page, which were later turned into draft articles by other editors. This exact thing just happened a few minutes ago with Draft:Jakir Hossain where you were listed as the page creator. Since I'm the admin who does leave talk page notices when deleting stale drafts, it is easier to change my behavior than Twinkle's so I'll just uncheck the box that says "Notify page creator" when I see your name at the bottom of a page history. I might make a mistake or two but I'll try not to annoy you with those unwanted notifications. Thanks. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 21:51, 2 June 2022 (UTC)

User:Liz - They don't really annoy me, so much as give me something to ridicule. But if you can turn off the stupid notices, that is fine. Robert McClenon (talk) 22:10, 2 June 2022 (UTC)

Draft:Lubna Marium

Dear, Robert McClenon Brother, how else can I prove that she is a notable person? Doesn't it prove that there are national and international news in his name? I am adding what I found in his name in Google. If this is not the case with Wikipedia, then how can I work on Wiki?--Ayatul nish (talk) 09:12, 3 June 2022 (UTC)

User:Ayatul nish - Did you read what is displayed at the top of my talk page? If you have questions about drafts, please ask at the Teahouse. I will also ask you what your association is with Lubna Marium. Robert McClenon (talk) 15:55, 3 June 2022 (UTC)

@User:Robert McClenon, Lubna Marium has nothing to do with me. I don't even know him personally. I saw some news on Google and saw that he is a significant person so I did Wikipedia.--Ayatul nish (talk) 16:39, 3 June 2022 (UTC)

User:Lubna Marium - And you don't even know whether Lubna Marium is male or female. Not everyone whom you find on Google is notable or significant. But did you see my advice to ask at the Teahouse? Robert McClenon (talk) 17:35, 3 June 2022 (UTC)

There was a mistake in writing. She is a female dancer. Okay I ask the Teahouse how the draft can be improved.Ayatul nish (talk) 18:38, 3 June 2022 (UTC)

Sendbox me

Hello, did you move my training page? What is the reason? I was completing the article.--Liyan baboo (talk) 06:02, 4 June 2022 (UTC)

User:Liyan baboo - You had submitted the sandbox for review. If you have submitted the sandbox for review, it can be moved to draft space. You may edit it in draft space. It is at Draft:Amir Sarkhosh (2). In the future, do not submit your sandbox for review while you are still working on it. Robert McClenon (talk) 15:55, 4 June 2022 (UTC)

Regarding declined submission

Hi, I saw that you recently declined the AfC submission at Draft:May 2022 Midwest derecho, I've contributed to this draft and I somewhat disagree with the reasoning. A derecho is a type of storm complex that will commonly produce tornadoes along with significant non-tornadic winds, so inclusion of the tornadoes is appropriate. Storm events are often multi-faceted in any case. This might be something to bring up at the talk page. If the tornadoes are a non-starter under that title, something more like Derecho and tornado outbreak of April 4–5, 2011 might be worth considering. TornadoLGS (talk) 20:52, 4 June 2022 (UTC)

Review on Setopati

Hey, Setopati is top level news media of Nepal which is providing news in both English and Nepali language. Meropedia (talk) 02:18, 5 June 2022 (UTC)

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DRN Bot

I think our bot broke. *sad face* Nightenbelle (talk) 13:04, 6 June 2022 (UTC)

User:Nightenbelle - Yes. It also stopped notifying users about drafts that are about to expire. I notified the bot operator a few days ago, but I think that they are busy blocking spammers. I just posted a note at the Bot Noticeboard. Robert McClenon (talk) 15:15, 6 June 2022 (UTC)

Camille Vasquez RfC

Hello, first of all, appreciate you for setting up the RfC. Just out of curiosity though, why did you decide to only ask about inclusion in the lead and infobox? After all, the initial dispute was about whether the name should be noted at all. Throast (talk | contribs) 16:25, 6 June 2022 (UTC)

User:Throast - Perhaps I did not read the dispute a third time as slowly as I should have. However, my experience is that there are commonly disputes about what should go in the lede sentence and in the infobox, and that, in both my opinion and general experience, disputed matters can usually go in the text of the article. If you also want an RFC on including Brown Rudnick in the text of the article, I will start another one. Robert McClenon (talk) 16:31, 6 June 2022 (UTC)

Well, would it be possible to incorporate it into the existing RfC? If not, don't bother, I don't really care enough anymore. Throast (talk | contribs) 16:36, 6 June 2022 (UTC)

Draft:Suki da

Hi, Robert. Can you review Draft:Suki da again. I think it is notable enough in Wikipedia. The song has been released and charted on Japan national chart right now. --PepeBonus (talk) 07:07, 9 June 2022 (UTC)

Cartifact

Dear mr. McClenon,

As a former map librarian of the koninklijke Bibliotheek (National Library of The Netherlands) I have been confronted with this phenomenon during my inter(national) career (1979-2017). As the wikipedia page looks now it seems to be an explanation from a dictionary. The emphasis should be more on the material form on which a cartographic expression is used and not on the cartographic expression itself.

Since a long time it has been a topic in the world of map librarians. On the website 'Map History / History of Cartography: THE Gateway to the Subject' (http://www.maphistory.info/mapsindex.html), that is updated by the former map librarian of the British Library (1987-2001) Tony Campbell it has its own chapter under the heading 'Miscellaneous' (http://www.maphistory.info/topics.html#oddities). And I myself wrote an article concerning this subject in the peer-reviewed 'Journal of map & geography libraries'.

For the reader of wikipedia it seems elucidating to know that cartifacts come in every form are and expressed in/on many unusual materials one may meet in every day life (http://web.archive.org/web/20150906092947/http://persons.kb.nl/jsmits/cartifact/list.html).

While creating the page I was not aware of it being deleted in 2005 and I have not used any text previously published on wikipedia. I'm not aware that it is a neologism, but the term 'cartifact' was introduced by J.B. Post, former map librarian at the Free Library of Philadelphia and since then established itself in common use with map librarians and professionals in the field of cartography.

With kind regards,

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Draft:Aaron Violi

You have just declined my submission, because another article on that subject already exists. That's fine. I realised the duplication a few hours after I wrote it almost weeks ago. I would have deleted my draft if I could have found a way, but couldn't. There needs to an obvious way to do so, to save work for people like you. HiLo48 (talk) 01:22, 11 June 2022 (UTC)

User:HiLo48 - Well, first, you can delete a draft, by tagging it for G7, author requests deletion. But, second, the preferred answer is to redirect the draft to the article, rather than to delete it. Redirects from drafts to articles are common; they are what is left when a draft is accepted. So redirection rather than deletion is the answer. Robert McClenon (talk) 01:28, 11 June 2022 (UTC)

Thanks for that. But the most important words in my comment are "There needs to an obvious way to do so". Neither of those approaches seems obvious to me. HiLo48 (talk) 02:16, 11 June 2022 (UTC)

European Colonization of the Americas mediation

I am formally asking for your mediation and agree to all of your rules. I have already written to the people I accused and apologized but DeCausa stil refuses to mediate. I feel like they discriminated agaisnt me and he feels that I was disruptive. I think, after reflecting on your words, that we are equally wrong. However, I think that I am not going to get the block lifted because they really have an issue with me. This happens to me alot, partly due to my disabiltiies and difficulty communicating online. §cbinetti — Preceding unsigned comment added by Cbinetti (talk • contribs) 22:11, 12 June 2022 (UTC)

User:Cbinetti - You may request mediation at DRN. Follow all of the instructions, including notifying the other editors. DeCausa may or may not agree. If there is discussion, it will only be about article content, and comments about editors will not be permitted. The next step, if you wish, is for you to request moderated dispute resolution of article content. Robert McClenon (talk) 23:20, 12 June 2022 (UTC)

I do need being unblocked to be part of this. My character is being attacked. How do I defend myself without discussing the false accusations of DeCausa? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Cbinetti (talk • contribs) 23:25, 12 June 2022 (UTC)

User:Cbinetti - No, you do not need to have a partial unblock from editing the article lifted in order to discuss article content. I have not reviewed the history of your block and am willing to take a look at the history, but the content of the article can be discussed without discussing DeCausa and without discussing the partial block. There are two separate issues, the content of the article, and conduct issues. What I am willing to do is to discuss article content only. Do you want to discuss article content? Robert McClenon (talk) 15:13, 13 June 2022 (UTC)

• I’ve just noticed this thread and I’ve posted a reply on Abecedare’s talk page. You may have got the wrong end of the stick. I wasn’t actually in a content dispute with Cbinetti in the way you think. Others were in a dispute with him about the issue since Decemeber. My involvement was about his edit-warring on 11 June. DeCausa (talk) 21:14, 13 June 2022 (UTC)

Regarding Draft:Allen Career Institute

Hello, how are you? I read that you suggested that this draft should be allowed to be reviewed. Can you or someone else lift the admin requirements so that if someone wants to review it, they can? Thank you so much! Mtpos (talk) 13:45, 13 June 2022 (UTC)

User:Mtpos - I don't see where I requested that the title be partially unprotected. I see that the title has been admin-protected (salted) for six months. I agree that downgrading the protection to extended-confirmed would be a good idea, but please either show me where I commented on it, or make a request to one of the protecting administrators. Robert McClenon (talk) 16:50, 13 June 2022 (UTC)

You are right Robert McClenon. You didn't. I shouldn't have assumed. Sorry! Mtpos (talk) 16:28, 17 June 2022 (UTC)

I have trouble following this. Robert, you proposed here that a review of the draft should be allowed. I'm sure you know more about the review process than I do. Does that process depend on the article being unprotected? Isn't it the draft (which in this case has never been protected) that's reviewed? I'm somewhat unwilling to unprotect the article before review, considering how many times it has been recreated and re-deleted. Look at this long list, from which I get the impression that the Allen Carter Institute has been trying for many years to get an advert on Wikipedia. Could you please explain to me how the review process works, and if/why the article would need to be unprotected first? (PS; I protected the article indefinitely in 2016 - I don't know where "six months" comes from.) Bishonen | tålk 17:19, 17 June 2022 (UTC).

User:Bishonen - I will try to explain. First, I think that I meant six years rather than six months. The title was indefinitely salted six years ago. Second, as a general matter, and this may be a personal eccentricity to which I am entitled, I don't like to review a draft that I can't accept even if I want to accept it. I don't like to review a draft if the title is admin-protected in article space, because I can't guarantee the author that I can accept it, or that my request to unprotect it after review will be granted. I don't want to make a Technical Move Request for the administrator to accept the draft as an article, because then the administrator moves the draft into article space, and it requires tedious cleanup that is normally done by the acceptance script. Third, however, in this case, given the history, I can see why any draft should be reviewed first. I am not sure that I want to be that reviewer, but I can see why we don't want to downgrade the protection. That is why. I just don't want to waste my time reviewing a draft when the title is locked. Is that sort of an answer? Robert McClenon (talk) 18:26, 17 June 2022 (UTC)

User:Mtpos - I will be making the conflict of interest query on your user talk page. I certainly don't recommend that anyone review the draft until the COI inquiry is answered either with a disclosure or with an explicit disclaimer. Robert McClenon (talk) 18:26, 17 June 2022 (UTC)

If I were to review the current draft, I would decline it and would use the template {{compsays}}. I might also ask the author to provide the three to five good references, because it appears to have been reference-bombed. But I am not reviewing it. Robert McClenon (talk) 18:26, 17 June 2022 (UTC)

Precious

Six years!

Robert McClenon, I have responded to what you posted on my page. I don't have a problem with you rejecting - I think it's a part of process and create platform for discussion. I picked few good sources and presented them at deletion review. Should I put them here again? And I feel what you are saying...a reviewer will not feel interested if they know their review still needs many next steps...But I also note and acknowledge the concern of User:Bishonen. What to do? Mtpos (talk) 19:14, 21 June 2022 (UTC)

Precious anniversary

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Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Zabihollah Kohkan

Hello, Robert,

I think some editor has altered your source chart on this AFD discussion. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 06:15, 16 June 2022 (UTC)

User:Liz - Yes. And not very plausibly, because I wouldn't have provided the chart if I thought that there were so many independent secondary reliable sources. Thank you for letting me know, and for relisting. I will take a careful look. Robert McClenon (talk) 13:33, 16 June 2022 (UTC)

Yuck. I've reported it at WP:ANI. Robert McClenon (talk) 14:12, 16 June 2022 (UTC)

User:Liz Well, well. I ended with a sock block. Robert McClenon (talk) 18:33, 16 June 2022 (UTC)

Regarding Draft

I think now Draft:Kishore Mahato is ready to be moved on mainspace as i have added some reliable sources and extra information as he is national player who has already played T20 International and ODI too. Please let me know if need to fix or add-up anything more. Regards, DIVINE 📪 08:02, 16 June 2022 (UTC)

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Your draft article, Draft:Michael Pollack

Hello, Robert McClenon. It has been over six months since you last edited the Articles for Creation submission or Draft page you started, "Michael Pollack".

In accordance with our policy that Wikipedia is not for the indefinite hosting of material deemed unsuitable for the encyclopedia mainspace, the draft has been deleted. If you plan on working on it further and you wish to retrieve it, you can request its undeletion. An administrator will, in most cases, restore the submission so you can continue to work on it.

Thanks for your submission to Wikipedia, and happy editing. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 22:14, 18 June 2022 (UTC)

User:Liz - This is actually interesting, rather than just being a case where I can poke fun at Twinkle. The draft was probably a redirect to Michael Pollack (musician), because I accepted and renamed the draft. The search for expired drafts didn't notice that it was a redirect, or, probably, didn't pay attention to the fact that it was a redirect to a different title. Redirecting a draft to the same title is common, and is what is done when the reviewer accepts the draft. But we already knew that. Interesting. Robert McClenon (talk) 22:27, 18 June 2022 (UTC)

Dewey Case

I went ahead and closed the Dewey case- upon reading the talk page and teahouse case- there does appear to be off-wiki harassments (ish?) (attempting to contact on FB) and one of the users involved literally wrote the book in question on the topic. So..... COI. That combined with the less than 48 hours discussion time- that's just not a case that is going to be fruitful at this time. They DRN filing did get another user interested- so maybe they will head on over and form a consensus. If not- it belongs at ANI for a book author deciding they WP:OWN a page they wrote about off wiki. Or using an article to WP:SELFPROMOT their own book. The only disagreement is on if the comment about the book the editor wrote- winning an award belongs in the article. :-/Nightenbelle (talk) 15:15, 19 June 2022 (UTC)

User:Nightenbelle - I haven't yet read the Teahouse case. I did notice that Flahistory was asserting their ownership of the article, but I noticed that after I had made a comment on the case. I will look at the Teahouse, but I agree with your closure. Robert McClenon (talk) 16:25, 19 June 2022 (UTC)

Just wish to understand a little

Greetings @ Robert McClenon,

Coincidentally I happened to reach Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Warina Hussain. May be subject does not pass notability as of the day so I do not have any question on that.

A very detailed table got me curious about. What does column 'Independent' signifies?

• a) Whether it means sources are not Independent and directly / indirectly influenced by the actress/ person?

• b) Or it means Whether it means sources are not Independent and directly / indirectly influenced by entertainment industry?

• c) Or it means Whether it means sources are not Independent in their political outlook and political outlook of the respective sources have some relation to entertainment industry in this case?

• e) You mean something else.

In either case I would like to understand your view just out of curiosity if you do not mind to share with me.

Thanks and warm regards

Bookku, 'Encyclopedias = expanding information & knowledge' (talk) 17:26, 20 June 2022 (UTC)

User:Bookku - That's a good question, and I will be replying to you at the Teahouse so that I have the comments of other experienced editors. Robert McClenon (talk) 18:09, 20 June 2022 (UTC)

it wasn't a joke

Bad joke

I got your review on my article (the unknown man who named burgers) and I have one thing to say IT WASNT A JOKE, THAT PIECE OF INFORATION HAS BEEM PASSED DOWN THOUGHT GENERATIONS, my mom told its real and that my great great great great great grandma had dated him, so yes I could've been related to the man who named burgers. I just wanted to pass the information on people outside my family but you wouldn't let me do that!!!! so I would like you to post the article on wikipedia and say your sorry cause it WOASNT A BAD JOKE IT WAS REAL MY MOM EVEN TOLD ME!!!!! what are thoseeeee — Preceding unsigned comment added by History231 (talk • contribs) 02:23, 22 June 2022 (UTC)

Motorsport Icon: Jim Derhaag

Can you please help support or assist, we have reviewed all citations and they are valid. Jim is a significant figure in sportscar racing, please confirm. Thank you. Helpfulmod (talk) 15:24, 22 June 2022 (UTC)

User:Helpfulmod - If you are asking about Draft:James Derhaag, the footnotes were not and are not properly formatted. I said that if you needed advice about references, you could ask at the Teahouse. The footnotes in Draft:Jim Derhaag are properly formatted, and the two drafts should be combined into one. But ask for advice. Robert McClenon (talk) 19:58, 22 June 2022 (UTC)

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Hi, you left a message on my draft article about it being declined because there was already an article on it, however for whatever reason the Main got completely deleted for no reason sometime last night, there wasn't a discussion, no AFD, nothing. I'm not sure if this was a case of butterfingers by somebody trying to delete the Draft or whatever, but at the end of the day, it's not a massive issue, as I've updated the draft to mirror the (old) main article.

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Sockpuppet Question

Mr. McClenon: I came across a section where you accused me of "If this isn't sockpuppetry, it is some sort of meat coordination.'" I didn't even know what sockpuppetry meant! I have never coordinated anything, ever with anyone on wikipedia! It must have been an example of two editors thinking the same thing at the same time. Why did you not ask me directly?

Suspected sockpuppets Karagory (talk+ · tag · contribs · logs · filter log · block log · CA) ( Clerk note: original case name) TestingSwype (talk+ · tag · contribs · logs · filter log · block log · CA) Tools: Editor interaction utility • Interaction Timeline • User compare report Auto-generated every hour. This is not an open-and-shut case that can be decided by the duck test, but it is a strange situation. Karagory first edited in 2008, but made a total of seven edits between 2008 and 2020. They then began editing Peter Navarro on 3 January 2021, and then reported a content dispute involving the Navarro article at DRN. TestingSwype began editing on 2 January 2021. The only edits that they have made have been to their sandbox, and to volunteer at DRN, and to mediate the Navarro dispute. If this isn't sockpuppetry, it is some sort of meat coordination. Request Checkuser to see if they are the same person. Robert McClenon (talk) 22:44, 5 January 2021 (UTC) Respectfully, Karagory (talk) 00:19, 11 July 2022 (UTC)

User:Karagory - I didn't ask you because it was clear to me that something improper was going on. Creating an account, making a large number of edits to their sandbox, and then trying to mediate a dispute was improper. In fact, User:TestingSwype was a sockpuppet of someone else. It wasn't a case of two editors thinking the same thing. You made some edits to Peter Navarro and then opened a request for dispute resolution about Peter Navarro. Another editor appearing out of nowhere to mediate the dispute was improper. Either you were involved also, or you weren't involved in the misconduct. It turns out that you were not involved in the misconduct, but only happened to be where it happened, and there wasn't a conduct dispute after all. That is why I didn't ask you. It isn't useful to ask an editor if they are involved in misconduct. Is that an answer? Robert McClenon (talk) 00:50, 11 July 2022 (UTC)

User:Karagory - I was mistaken in thinking that you had anything to do with it. I still don't know what the puppeteer was trying to do. I apologize for thinking that you were involved. I made my sockpuppet investigation quietly, behind the scenes, which is how this is usually done. Robert McClenon (talk) 00:55, 11 July 2022 (UTC)

Mr. McClenon, looking back seeing everything that you saw, I understand it could potentially look and be bad. However, your initial quess was wrong! I was in the wrong place at the wrong time. I want you to know that so that you do not block someone incorrectly in the future. That would be awful! For the past 15 years, or so, I only used wikipedia for technical information which doesn't have much controversy; this other part of wikipedia kind of sucks. I use my real name because I don't believe in hiding behind my words; I want to know when I am wrong. In any case, thanks for taking the time to make wikipedia a better place for people like me. Karagory (talk) 01:02, 11 July 2022 (UTC)

Khae Rai

Hi, I wanted to wait until the DRV closed to ask you this. In your comment on the DRV you said, "This was a poorly written close that reads more like an !vote than a close..." You aren't the only one to have said something like that in that DRV. I was wondering if you would help me see how my close reads more like a !vote than a close? How could I have worded that better? ~ ONUnicorn^{(Talk|Contribs)}problem solving 20:36, 11 July 2022 (UTC)

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Hello,

It deeply, deeply saddens me to see the dispute resolution closed. I had no access to internet because I got caught in travel issues crossing back home into Canada, so I was unable to respond. I truly believe this is an issue with the content of the article, namely the abject erasure of relevant history and equivalent treaties (and more than enough historical and contemporary source material to back this up). There is a history of the other editor, Moxy, erasing Indigenous content for nebulous or tenuous reasons, and I would humbly ask that you re-open the discussion. Danachos (talk) 20:02, 15 July 2022 (UTC)

User:Danachos - It appears that you requested to open a DRN case when you may not have been ready to take part in dispute resolution, which requires that you respond to the moderator within 48 hours. It now also appears, to my embarrassment, that if I close a case, a bot makes an edit to it to request its archival, and I don't know how to reverse that. So I will see if I can prevent the dispute from being archived as closed. However, I will assume that the case will be archived as closed. What you can do, and I encourage you to do, is to resume discussion at the article talk page. Please ping Moxy. Please also ping Headbomb, who became a minor party in the case. After there is discussion, you can make another request for dispute resolution. Please try to make an effort to plan to be able to take part in the case; I understand that you were without Internet access. So, resume discussion at the article talk page, and if that is inconclusive, you can open a new dispute at DRN. Robert McClenon (talk) 00:13, 16 July 2022 (UTC)

User:Danachos - I think that I have tweaked the closed case so that it will not disappear. Resume discussion on the article talk page anyway, and then we will see whether dispute resolution can be restarted. Robert McClenon (talk) 01:41, 16 July 2022 (UTC)

Noah Zuhdi page feedback

The draft of the Noah Zuhdi entry (Draft:Noah Zuhdi) is my first for Wikipedia. I felt like I had a well-rounded list of sources (ranging from ESPN to university records to boxing organizations to boxing industry sources to the most widely circulated publications/periodicals in Oklahoma) that were properly cited. I only have one account. So, I'm intrigued by and hoping to find out what was meant by your feedback on my page: "Comment: There is a history of sockpuppetry associated with this draft. If this draft is resubmitted, please check the history and determine whether the submitter is quacking. If so, please take appropriate action, which may include filing a follow-up sockpuppet investigation.

This does not mean that the topic is not notable, and it does not mean that the topic is notable. If this draft is resubmitted by a neutral good-faith reviewer, it may be reviewed and accepted based on its content and sources. Robert McClenon (talk) 04:08, 20 June 2022 (UTC)"

Any guidance you can provide would be greatly appreciated. Thank you. Przybylop (talk) 18:48, 16 July 2022 (UTC)