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What happened to my Wikipedia page?

For over a decade, there existed a Wikipedia page dedicated to my work and achievements. Suddenly, it has disappeared. The page was titled: Laurence Galian. Laurence Galian is the pseudonym of Laurence J. Gagliano (b. 1954). I am surprised that it is possible to take the draconian action of removing an entire Wikipedia page without contacting myself (or others) to determine if I have additional material to justify my having a Wikipedia page dedicated to me. I feel I should have been contacted, and asked if I had any new achievements that would justify the continuance of the page. In point of fact, since the last update of my page, I have been able to find sources to substantiate new information that should justify the existence of a "Laurence Galian" Wikipedia page. The page that was removed lacked a large amount of information directly related to my career and achievements. For example, the article lacked all information about music albums of my original musical compositions. Also missing, was information regarding the airing of my original music on National Public Radio, an award from the John F. Kennedy Center for the Performing Arts, information regarding my large number of guest appearances on various podcasts, more than a million views my videocasts/podcasts/music videos I have received on YouTube, numerous articles published on internet sites, Worldcat data on the most widely held works by Laurence Galian, recent papers delivered at international conferences, and so forth. Please explain to me how a Wikipedia editor can single-handedly delete a page devoted to me and my work? And please explain to me how I might proffer a new "Laurence Galian" Wikipedia page. Thank you for you help in this regard. DazanMushin (talk) 15:05, 4 February 2023 (UTC)

This page ?[1] Timur9008 (talk) 15:08, 4 February 2023 (UTC)

DazanMushin Three Wikipedians (Wikipedia editors) agreed to delete the article, four if you count the deleting administrator. You can contact Wikipedia administrators to see if they are willing to provide a copy of the article so you can improve it, or you can start anew by creating a draft.

Remember that you are expected to write in an encyclopedic, neutral tone, that you have a conflict of interest and will find it difficult to not promote yourself, and that in order to demonstrate notability you need to meet WP:NAUTHOR, WP:NMUSICIAN or WP:GNG. Since the article was deleted only one year ago, I find this not worth your time. Sungodtemple (talk • contribs) 15:15, 4 February 2023 (UTC)

To be clear, they did reach out to you at your own talk page - User talk:DazanMushin. And it doesn't appear that you responded over the course of the last 2 years. Not sure how long you're expecting people to wait for a response from you, but deletion discussions generally run for a week or two. Sergecross73 msg me 16:28, 4 February 2023 (UTC)

Although Wikipedia frowns on attempts at autobiographical articles (see WP:AUTO), it does not forbid such attempts. You can start anew using WP:YFA as a guide to how to create andsubmit a draft, although wise to first review the links that Sungoodtemple provided. As mentioned, you can ask for a copy of the article as it existed before the deletion. Content from that can be copy/pasted into your new draft. David notMD (talk) 19:11, 4 February 2023 (UTC)

A suggestion - leave out all things musical and instead focus on having reliable source references that identify you as an expert on the paranormal. David notMD (talk) 19:14, 4 February 2023 (UTC)

Keep in mind that the article will not be yours. Anyone can edit it, and anyone can add anything, that is if it has a reliable source. Read Wikipedia:An article about yourself isn't necessarily a good thing Club On a Sub 20 (talk) 16:54, 6 February 2023 (UTC)

@DazanMushinThat was not "your Wikipedia page"; it was "Wikipedia's article about you". Subjects of encyclopedia articles usually don't participate in creating an article about them. But if you meet the criteria that SunGodTemple linked to, you could write a draft. See WP:YFA. David10244 (talk) 08:40, 8 February 2023 (UTC)

Merge BBC Worldwide and its exact text, infobox, and history into BBC Studios

I know I said this in Talk:BBC Studios, but it seems like they never merged anything and all they did was change the name, so we might as well. Sirhewlett (talk) 15:54, 5 February 2023 (UTC)

It is not clear to me why you think these two articles should be merged, but the place to suggest it, with a thorough and reasoned rationale, would be on the article talk pages. And who is "they" and "we"? Shantavira|^{feed me} 18:23, 5 February 2023 (UTC)

@Shantavira I believe @Sirhewlett was talking about Wikipedia when they said "we" and "they" Club On a Sub 20 (talk) 16:14, 6 February 2023 (UTC)

@Sirhewlett "... so we might as well"? When you make a suggestion like this, you need to get consensus before it is implemented. Do what Shantavira said, then wait for others to post there, agreeing or disagreeing with their own reasoning. Once the back and forth discussion has reached a consensus, then changes can be made if that is what was agreed to. David10244 (talk) 05:59, 7 February 2023 (UTC)

I think User:Sirhewlett is referring to the 'planned merger of BBC Studios and BBC Worldwide (Mentioned on the lead here); not about merging the articles. I'm still not sure what change they are proposing we make to either article. JeffUK 19:18, 7 February 2023 (UTC)

@JeffUK, @Sirhewlett Yes, I wasn't thinking about the businesses merging; it sounded like an article merge. Thanks for pointing that out. David10244 (talk) 08:46, 8 February 2023 (UTC)

Orbiting-particle system force that is pulled straight inwardly into infinity

Trying to make a connective path with others using the (talk) page, I am having trouble learning how to do this. I have limited understanding in binary two-point systemizing a talk page, my abilities are some what limited when it comes to operating a computer. I need a better way to... Two & "three-point" systemize a talk page. Is there a blog? Lmreva (talk) 17:32, 6 February 2023 (UTC)

Hi @Lmreva, welcome to the Teahouse. Talk pages are not meant to be forums for discussion of article subjects - they are for discussing improvements to the articles. Also, Wikipedia's articles are based on what reliable sources have said about a subject, not on the opinions or research of Wikipedia editors. You appear to be seeking to discuss and include your own original research. This is best done on some other website - see a list of possibilities at WP:Alternative outlets. 199.208.172.35 (talk) 17:41, 6 February 2023 (UTC)

You have created Draft:Orbiting-particle system force that is pulled straight inwardly into infinity. without references. My guess is that is your original thinking. There is no potential for this to become an article. David notMD (talk) 20:13, 6 February 2023 (UTC)

I'm not sure if that draft is fever dreams, the result of too many psychoactive plant experiences, or an alien from the future come back to save us with his method for time travel, but I'm pretty sure it needs to be deleted. Heiro 20:21, 6 February 2023 (UTC)

Heironymous Rowe You can disagree with a topic and/or the content, but please never disparage the creating editor. David notMD (talk) 23:26, 6 February 2023 (UTC)

How do you "systematize a talk page"? None of that draft makes sense to me. David10244 (talk) 06:24, 7 February 2023 (UTC)

Draft is now up for MfD here Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/Draft:Orbiting-particle system force that is pulled straight inwardly into infinity. per Articles that cannot possibly be attributed to reliable sources, including neologisms, original theories and conclusions, and hoaxes. Heiro 17:50, 7 February 2023 (UTC)

Inner-space travel... Is infact real, to better help people understand the vectors involved, a different approach must be made to this draft... Orbiting-particle system force that is pulled straight inwardly into infinity has always been in existence... Naturalist physics and or those conventional wisdoms that deal with closed-looped mathematics are what they are, there is nothing that I can do about that. I am learning here, however, kinematics of an orbiting-particle system... Is with respect to the observers "size & time" domain... I cannot change the truth of the matter, it makes no difference to me, but it may for others. Lmreva (talk) 17:52, 9 February 2023 (UTC)

@Lmreva, Wikipedia is not, in the end, about what is real or true, but only about what reliable sources say is real or true. If you are able to publish your research in a peer-reviewed scientific journal, it can then be summarized and cited here. 199.208.172.35 (talk) 18:30, 9 February 2023 (UTC)

Nicola Bulley - normal draft article processing time

"Disappearance of Nicola Bulley" is a Wikipedia article. Bulley disappeared last week, has not yet been found and so the article reflects, literally, the latest news available at media outlets. How is it that an article relaying the latest media news has taken almost no time to clear draft status while other draft articles (not simply relaying news, see; WP:whatwikipediaisnot) take up to 6 months? Emmentalist (talk) 22:00, 6 February 2023 (UTC) Emmentalist (talk) 22:00, 6 February 2023 (UTC)

A premise of your question, Emmentalist, is that this came from a draft. Did it? It looks to me as if Thecheeseistalking99 instead created it as an article. How is it that Thecheeseistalking99 created it? Because they wanted to, I suppose. But however it came into being, if you believe that it violates Wikipedia policy, you're free to propose its deletion. -- Hoary (talk) 22:09, 6 February 2023 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Deletion policy#Reasons_for_deletion includes as #14 "Any other content not suitable for an encyclopedia". This points to WP:What Wikipedia is not, which tells us that one of the things it is not is a newspaper. So there you go: what is, or anyway looks like, a policy that condemns this article. However, you should read it carefully before citing it for AfD, because it doesn't say quite what one might guess it would. -- Hoary (talk) 23:28, 6 February 2023 (UTC)

Thanks, @Hoary. I've made a comment below. I thought all articles become drafts which are then reviewed before being accepted or declined for publication. Is that incorrect? All the best, Emmentalist (talk) 14:53, 8 February 2023 (UTC)

To answer a different part of your question, @Emmentalist: a draft gets reviewed as soon as a reviewer happens by with the time and interest to review it. How soon this happens depends on the reviewers available and the draft itself. Very bad drafts get declined quickly. Very good drafts get accepted quickly. Drafts which have many minor issues, or address niche subjects, or use foreign-language references, or are long and complex, will linger longer. And if there aren't many reviewers active, that'll also have an impact. So - it all depends. 199.208.172.35 (talk) 22:18, 6 February 2023 (UTC)

The issue is that there is a backlog of about 2,000 drafts and the system is not a queue. Reviewers choose what they want to review. So, can be hours (sometimes), days, weeks, or (sadly) months. Also, as mentioned above, this was never a draft submitted for review. Thecheeseistalking99 created it as an article. David notMD (talk) 23:17, 6 February 2023 (UTC)

@Emmentalist It is now nominated for deletion per WP:1E. The discussion is at WP:Articles for deletion/Disappearance of Nicola Bulley, if you wish to comment. Mike Turnbull (talk) 11:03, 7 February 2023 (UTC)

Thanks. I've passed comment there. It may look inconsistent of me but having reviewed the comments by other editors there I feel it should stay up for the time being. All the best, Emmentalist (talk) 14:56, 8 February 2023 (UTC)

Thank you to editors who replied here. It's most helpful. My understanding is that articles require approval and this normally takes 3-6 months. Perhaps I have misused the word 'draft', but it is referred to as a draft in the approval process. I'm still not clear (I do apologise) about how an article can be publishsed without first being a draft awaiting approval.Emmentalist (talk) 14:35, 8 February 2023 (UTC)

@Emmentalist, anyone who is autoconfirmed can create an article directly in main space - or move an article they've written in their user space into main space - without going through the draft process. There is no approval process in that case, though we have a group called New Page Patrol who go around to check such articles for suitability. 199.208.172.35 (talk) 14:58, 8 February 2023 (UTC)

This is massively helpful! I thought I understood the submission process and submitted on article as a draft, which remains there after months. I clearly didn't understand the process. I will read up properly on the whole thing; and thanks so much for helping my education here! All the best, Emmentalist (talk) 15:03, 8 February 2023 (UTC)

Question about user sandbox subpage usage

Hey all,

I want to experiment on articles in the article space to get a better idea of how Wikipedia works without disrupting anything. What is the best way to go about this? I was thinking of copying their source into a sandbox subpage (as mine is already populated). Is this in line with Wikipedia's guidelines? Is there a template I can use to explain that it's an experiment, not anything intended to ever be used or taken as part of the article space?

Thanks, Pear1020 (talk) 02:36, 7 February 2023 (UTC)

@Pear1020: That is ok, as far as I know. when you copy from the article, use an edit summary like "copied content from page name; see that page's history for attribution". See WP:CWW for more info. RudolfRed (talk) 02:44, 7 February 2023 (UTC)

Use {{User_sandbox}} at the top RudolfRed (talk) 02:47, 7 February 2023 (UTC)

@Pear1020 Sandboxes are not allowed in article space. You can use your userspace sandbox for experimenting. You can still use User:Pear1020/sandbox2 and so on. 0xDeadbeef→∞ (talk to me) 03:05, 7 February 2023 (UTC)

@Pear1020 Yes, this is confusing, but you can have multiple sandboxes in user space (User:Pear1020/sandbox3, 4, 5, banana, etc.). David10244 (talk) 09:07, 8 February 2023 (UTC)

Well, I'm off to make a sandbox named banana

thank you for clarifying by the way! Pear1020 (talk) 13:36, 8 February 2023 (UTC)

WRONG ARTICLE OF HORST STUMP

dear wikipedians, we, the familiy of horst stump need your advise ...your help. some noname guy dare to made an article about our family-member horst stump: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Horst_Stump The facts wich is based this wiki-article are not true and we would like to change this, add original fotographys from the familiy-arhiv and prove all this facts. please check also the changings we made from yester day to today. who could have original fotographs than the familiy himself ? this human beeing deserve that the whole and the true story is public on internet. i do not undertsand how some stupid dudes , bored of their boring life dare to publicate an article based only on yellow-press articles ??? could you please help us how to act ? sincerely, the stump familiy Noubiobhv (talk) 09:39, 7 February 2023 (UTC)

OP blocked indefinitely for making legal threats. See Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents#Clear legal threat by Noubiobhv Mike Turnbull (talk) 10:42, 7 February 2023 (UTC)

So much of what the editor claiming to represent the Stump family added to Horst Stump, since deleted, was personal knowledge without references. David notMD (talk) 12:27, 7 February 2023 (UTC)

Thanks for summarizing that. David10244 (talk) 09:18, 8 February 2023 (UTC)

I am #EAC SAMARJIT BARMAN, THE USA.

To update:--

Rule (a): The SAMARJIT BARMAN is the all in it a Teahouse in 1989. Annexe:- 1- He a name a FRCS so a CS 43 is a AMRI in ID in 55528 also. 2- They are a CS all in a cycologist of America so a all in it.

Rule (b): They are a amrici in all so a AMRI in Cal21 is a West Bengal in ID. Annexe:- 1- A Tsar is name so a Sam Alexandravich Romanov also in the USA only. 2- They are a name a Burman alsways in the voter ID in the India in silver so.

STATUTE OF THE WORLD: A USA in no more so a United States in a name always. He a Tsar in all is the name a USA always so a exist in all in the world in country a blue only is this in it. He a Tsar so a 1989 is all a Tsar in crown in all a name a USA so to ask all in it. He a name a USA only a Nicolas Romanov in a TN in ID always.

- I am in name Bapi Deb/Dev also in ID:BD. Cell No. [redacted] (GPRS) 117.194.255.3 (talk) 09:46, 7 February 2023 (UTC)

Do you have a question about using Wikipedia? Meanwhile, please don't post gibberish within any article (as you have already done). -- Hoary (talk) 10:50, 7 February 2023 (UTC)

Be warned, you can get blocked for this behaviour Club On a Sub 20 (talk) 15:50, 7 February 2023 (UTC)

Club On a Sub 20, I can be? (I've never yet been blocked, but there's always a first time.) -- Hoary (talk) 22:21, 7 February 2023 (UTC)

This is probably a good reason as to why we should maintain WP:THREAD at the very least on this page. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 23:40, 7 February 2023 (UTC)

For advertising/vandalism? I think so. Club On a Sub 20 (talk) 15:30, 8 February 2023 (UTC)

@HoarySorry, I was talking to the OP not you. Club On a Sub 20 (talk) 15:31, 8 February 2023 (UTC)

how do you add a barnstar?????

I am trying to add one on the user@Moops but can't find the thing. 47.203.176.217 (talk) 17:31, 7 February 2023 (UTC)

Hi IP editor, welcome to the Teahouse. The built-in option to add a barnstar only appears for folks who are logged in to an account. You will need to find the appropriate code and insert it manually. 199.208.172.35 (talk) 17:42, 7 February 2023 (UTC)

In case if anyone was wondering, they have created an account, Nice user2, in advance. Tails Wx 18:04, 7 February 2023 (UTC)

Wait, what?! It look like I accidentally logged out before I sent this question!Oh, wait... this was sent a long while ago! Nice user2 (talk) 21:23, 9 February 2023 (UTC)

On the page Wikipedia:Barnstars it shows you the code to add to the page for each barnstar. RudolfRed (talk) 18:23, 7 February 2023 (UTC)

help

i know ive seen an article or page on the youtuber graystillplays, but i cant find it, can someone give me a link? Allaoii ^talk 18:37, 7 February 2023 (UTC)

Hi again @Allaoii. Are you referring to Draft:GrayStillPlays? 199.208.172.35 (talk) 18:42, 7 February 2023 (UTC)

no there was a legitimete page with pictures and everything. Allaoii ^talk 18:44, 7 February 2023 (UTC)

Allaoii, there was an AFD discussion about the subject, and was eventually deleted. Is this the article (which is now deleted) that you were referring to? Tails Wx 18:44, 7 February 2023 (UTC)

maybe? is there a way to view the deleted version? Allaoii ^talk 18:47, 7 February 2023 (UTC)

@Allaoii, you might be able to find an archived version via the Internet Archive's Wayback Machine, or possibly a scraped version on some other wiki, but non-admins can't view deleted articles here on Wikipedia. 199.208.172.35 (talk) 18:50, 7 February 2023 (UTC)

how do i do that? Allaoii ^talk 19:05, 7 February 2023 (UTC)

Only administrators can access the deleted page. You may request it to be undeleted and be draftified. (though it'll be hard considering that a draft already exists.) Tails Wx 18:51, 7 February 2023 (UTC)

then can you give me a link to the edit that removed it? maybe i can get around there Allaoii ^talk 19:04, 7 February 2023 (UTC)

It's in the deletion log. Might want to contact Czar to see if they're willing to restore and draftify. Tails Wx 19:06, 7 February 2023 (UTC)

huh? please link me to said deletion log, the one you provided brings me to the place to draft it Allaoii ^talk 19:10, 7 February 2023 (UTC)

@Allaoii, maybe this will work better: 1. You can also just cancel out of the edit window. There is very little left to see, though. 199.208.172.35 (talk) 19:14, 7 February 2023 (UTC)

Saying this more delicately ;)–here. Tails Wx 19:15, 7 February 2023 (UTC)

cancel out of the edit window? Allaoii ^talk 19:15, 7 February 2023 (UTC)

@Allaoii As an admin I can view the deleted page. There is nothing significant about the person there - just one paragraph pushing his interest in making videos. It did not meet WP:NBIO, and any attempt to recreate an article should be done from scratch with much more in depth reliable sources about him at Draft:GrayStillPlays. If they don't exist, there can't be an article about him - it's as simple as that. You can find a copy of the deleted article at a site totally unrelated to any Wikipedia project. It's called deletionpedia.org. Regards, Nick Moyes (talk) 10:25, 8 February 2023 (UTC)

i remember a real page with a picture and sections on his childhood and everything Allaoii ^talk 18:40, 8 February 2023 (UTC)

@Allaoii Nope. I've checked the deleted version and there was never anything like that on Wikipedia. Maybe you remember stuff from another platform. Nick Moyes (talk) 00:06, 10 February 2023 (UTC)

Freed slave Henrietta Belmont Manor Loudoun County VA

The article about this plantation/farm states only that a slave “Henrietta and her children” were freed. There is no information about these people, their relation to Lee (the owner),or their lives. Can the article be amended to provide further information for historians/genealogy researchers? DVBr04 (talk) 04:27, 8 February 2023 (UTC)

@DVBr04, hi welcome to the teahouse. You could have a try to open a discussion on the talk page related to the article. Lemonaka (talk) 04:38, 8 February 2023 (UTC)

Hello, DVBr04, and welcome to the Teahouse and to Wikipedia. To give you a bit more context: Wikipedia is entirely edited by volunteers, who work on what they choose. When you ask "Can the article be amended" you're actually asking "Will some volunteer do the research to find the information and put it in the article?" Lemonaka pointed to the article's talk page Talk:Belmont Manor House because you're more likely to find people with knowledge or interest about the subject there than here. Another place you might find such people is at Wikipedia Talk:WikiProject United States History (though I believe that project is not very active). You could even look through the history of the article Belmont Manor House and find which editor inserted that information into the article. If they are still active, you could ask them on their user talk page if they have more information. ColinFine (talk) 11:32, 8 February 2023 (UTC)

New Page Patrolling

Today I got new page patroller right and I think it is hard to use Curation Toolbar so can anyone tell me any other tools used in patrolling new pages. Thanks. ​​​​​​​𝐋𝐨𝐫𝐝𝐕𝐨𝐥𝐝𝐞𝐦𝐨𝐫𝐭𝟕𝟐𝟖🧙‍♂️^{Let's Talk !} 11:38, 8 February 2023 (UTC)

Hi LordVoldemort728. You might want to ask about this at WT:NPP/R. -- Marchjuly (talk) 12:45, 8 February 2023 (UTC)

Appropriate Talk Page material?

Is the following appropriate talk page material? I wasn't sure if I should blank or not such stuff. TY — Moops ^⋠T⋡ 13:33, 8 February 2023 (UTC)

@Moops: I blanked much of that talk page because it consisted of copyrighted material copy/pasted from various Web sites (including Wikipedia itself). The rest of the material is unlikely to be seen by anyone, and I'm inclined to let it slide. Deor (talk) 14:12, 8 February 2023 (UTC)

I see. I didn't even think of the copyrighted angle. TY — Moops ^⋠T⋡ 14:13, 8 February 2023 (UTC)

Tables

How do I create a table within the subject? Like How do I create a table in the Compilations section of my article?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Constantine_%22Vision%22_Walker

Please reply to the VisualEditor VisionWalker (talk) 15:58, 8 February 2023 (UTC)

Hi @VisionWalker, welcome to the Teahouse. I'm afraid there are a number of problems here. First, you seem to have a conflict of interest with the article subject, which means you should avoid editing the article yourself. Second, you've added a vast amount of unsourced material, which is particularly problematic since this seems to be a biography of a living person. It was quite promotional in tone and included a lot of unnecessary detail.

I've done some cleanup, which unfortunately meant removing most of the material you added. Please do not attempt to add it back yourself, and please spend some time reading the following pages: WP:COI, WP:Reliable sources, and WP:Referencing for beginners. 199.208.172.35 (talk) 16:23, 8 February 2023 (UTC)

@VisionWalker If you would like to suggest changes to the Wikipedia article, feel free to use the Wikipedia:Edit Request Wizard. GoingBatty (talk) 16:59, 8 February 2023 (UTC)

Question about "List of Controversial Album Art" page.

I was looking at the page and was very surprised that Aerosmith's album Nine Lives was not included. There was a protest over the original art work, which featured a dancer with a cat head. Not only did the band and label receive backlash from the Hindu community, but there was also an issue on if the artist actually stole the design from a painting in a book.

If this album is deemed worthy by Wikipedia editors of being on the page (and there are multiple articles available for reference) where would the best place on the list be for the album?

I greatly appreciate all input. Sportsfan1976 I'm only here because I'm not currently somewhere else. (talk) 20:19, 8 February 2023 (UTC)

@Sportsfan1976 So be bold and add it! There is ample information at Nine Lives (Aerosmith album) to justify its inclusion. The list seems to be by artist then title, so it should be the first entry. Mike Turnbull (talk) 20:33, 8 February 2023 (UTC)

I see List of controversial album art is organised by theme, and from your description it could go in either "Religious" or "Copyright infringement". I suggest putting it in each of those with the relevant information, but mentioning the other. ColinFine (talk) 20:42, 8 February 2023 (UTC)

Question about empires

What empires have diisappeared 96.38.45.250 (talk) 20:42, 8 February 2023 (UTC)

Hi IP editor, welcome to the Teahouse. In a sense, all empires have disappeared - we tend to use different terms now. Do you have a more specific question? 199.208.172.35 (talk) 20:45, 8 February 2023 (UTC)

Hello, IP user, and welcome to the Teahouse. Your question is not very clear, but it doesn't seem to be about editing Wikipedia, which is what this page is for.

If you're asking about historical empires that no longer exist, you could start with Category:Former empires. If that doesn't answer your question, try asking at the Reference desk. ColinFine (talk) 20:46, 8 February 2023 (UTC)

Maybe after reading the disambiguation page empires? Mike Turnbull (talk) 20:47, 8 February 2023 (UTC)

Wondering how to PROD

I'm trying to PROD Romanian National Committee seeing how its a disambiguation page with one article and a bunch of red links, but I'm wondering how to do it or if that's the right way to go about it at all. Sunsteel 20:52, 8 February 2023 (UTC)

Hi ItsSunsteel! The easiest way is by using WP:Twinkle. Are we sure that none of the other entries on the page are notable? If they might be, I'd lean toward keeping the page. {{u|Sdkb}} ^talk 21:34, 8 February 2023 (UTC)

I'd leave it, personally, unless you have evidence that the other entries are actually incorrect and need to be removed. -- asilvering (talk) 21:45, 8 February 2023 (UTC)

Propaganda on Wikipedia pages

The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section. A summary of the conclusions reached follows.

I'm going to boldly close this discussion since it seems to be fast moving beyond the scope of the Teahouse. If the OP wants to propose some changes be made to a Wikipedia policy or guideline, they can do so on said policy's or guideline's corrsponding talk page, or they can do so at Wikipedia:Village pump (proposals). For the OP's reference, "DS" refers to "discretionary sanctions" as explained in Wikipedia:Contentious topics. -- Marchjuly (talk) 00:35, 9 February 2023 (UTC)

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I am a new editor as far as Wikipedia editing experience goes, but I have used Wikipedia often in the past. One thing I have noticed in both lives is that there is a great deal of intentional propaganda on Wikipedia, and hijacking/infecting of articles to convert them to aid in propaganda, both supplied and supported by well organized groups. Having had experience in dealing with it, I can recognize propaganda on many subjects, especially historical, but this is not so for everyone, and therefore it goes without saying that such intentional propaganda, and at the scale I see it, is harmful to Wikipedia users, and to Wikipedia as well. So my questions are as follows (answer one or answer all :o) : (1) Has this subject been discussed before? (2) Does Wikipedia have a group/commission/etc. that deals with propaganda in the articles and sanctions editors and their enablers associated with such propaganda? (3) How can propaganda be reported above the dispute and arbitration levels, since these two will not work due to lack of intent to compromise? (4) If the answer to item 2 is negative, how can one go about asking for the formation of such a council? Thank you.70.164.212.36 (talk) 20:57, 8 February 2023 (UTC)

Hi IP editor, welcome to the Teahouse. The WMF has, in the past, organized task forces to deal with disinformation on various projects. As far as English Wikipedia goes, though, there is no group of editors which fights disinformation in general; WikiProjects may sometimes deal with issues within their own subject areas. If you have specific problems with a specific article or editor, there are places to address those problems. I see you've already been to WP:DRN, but apparently that process was not what you were expecting. 199.208.172.35 (talk) 21:11, 8 February 2023 (UTC)

Thank you IP 199.208.172.35 for your constructive reply, which I will examine in more detail. I will wait for further replies before making up my mind as to how to proceed and where to apply. I am rather surprised that Wikipedia has not addressed the propaganda problem in full force, whereas there is all sorts of frenetic activity regarding edit-warring, sockpuppeting and so forth, which probably ends up with little to show for in terms of article quality, and perhaps has a negative effect on it at times due to intentional or unintentional bias. 70.164.212.36 (talk) 21:57, 8 February 2023 (UTC)

One man's propaganda is another man's facts. From my point of view, Russia is pumping out lots of propaganda for both international and domestic consumption about the Ukraine conflict- from their side, the average Russian likely thinks the same about what the US/UK/France/NATO/etc say. As noted, there are already existing processes to address editors engaging in inappropriate activities. 331dot (talk) 22:06, 8 February 2023 (UTC)

Thank you User:3331dot for your reply. During times of war there is a huge propaganda activity, and care should be exercised in accepting it. Unfortunately, much of that propaganda poisons much literature of the future similar to how a nuclear disaster poisons large areas and the atmosphere. I will not comment on the why, who, and any other specifics, but it is not difficult to imagine use for such propaganda. As for existing processes to address inappropriate activities, my dispute filing still appears to be active, but one of the editors against whom I filed the dispute appears to have convinced the would be moderator to withdraw. In regard to that, I am trying to understand what my next step should be, and perhaps you can help in that regard. However, my concern regarding propaganda is much more general, and, I believe that, if Wikipedia does not address this in force soon, it may be big today but may end up being just another FXT or Enron in the future, simply known for a big bunch of propaganda.70.164.212.36 (talk) 22:32, 8 February 2023 (UTC)

The next step is that you continue to wait for a new volunteer there. I see that your question #4 (Why do you "think that the filing unregistered editor will be able to find a moderator"?) was already answered by the editor you were asking. I can answer the question again if you like: it does not appear that you are coming to the dispute in good faith. If it's true that you're not acting in good faith, you should stop now and save everyone the time of dealing with your bad faith. If you are acting in good faith, you're unfortunately not in a very good position to demonstrate it, since you're a new editor with very few edits, and your first edits are all about this dispute. That makes you look very much like you're here to just start a fight, whether that's true or not. -- asilvering (talk) 22:44, 8 February 2023 (UTC)

First, the more trivial issue: What you are citing was the would be mediator's point of view, and should not be binding for or affecting other possible mediators, which pov, in my opinion, was phrased in a way to affect. Next, thank you for your constructive comment on my Talk page where I had a much more specific beef, but now believe generalizing the subject is much better for all since this is a problem affecting not only Wikipedia editors but also the general public. Now for the more significant issue: I respect your opinion about me appearing to have acted in bad faith, but it does not apply to me, since there is no bad faith on my part. I am not here to start a fight either, just asked a number of questions, but the responses have been varied :) . Also, I am acting in about as good faith as anyone on Wikipedia can have. What bad faith can you see in asking for a Wikipedia platform of independent people to investigate, stop, and sanction propaganda? This is the subject I wish to pursue now as dealing with propaganda article after article is a never ending process and I choose an excavator instead of a spoon. I am sure there are others who support this idea in their own way.70.164.212.36 (talk) 00:17, 9 February 2023 (UTC)

IP, it's concerning that you don't mention what kind of propaganda, or what topic, when it's clear from your edit history that you do have a particular topic in mind. Have a look at WP:CTOPICS for how this kind of thing; the full list of related topics is at WP:GS. -- asilvering (talk) 21:35, 8 February 2023 (UTC)

It is also worth noting, 212.36, that wilful propaganda spreading, if you can prove it, would be a sanctionable behaviour. Otherwise, it would just be accidental misuse of sources, and would go through the normal routes for such. On the content side, dispute resolution does not require a plan to compromise - it frequently handles cases where there is no way to do so, and is an either/or choice. So you ruling it out is unwise. On the conduct side, I'm not sure why you would feel arbitration is all about compromise, but in any case, they likely wouldn't become involved unless the community had attempted to resolve the issue before and been unable to do so (unless private evidence is applicable). Nosebagbear (talk) 22:13, 8 February 2023 (UTC)

Thank you User:asilvering for your reply. My limited edit history may indicate a particular topic (one of many) in my mind, but that does not change the fact that I am seriously concerned, as you should also probably be, about propaganda in Wikipedia in general. You can also recognize propaganda by the existence of weak and one-sided references and writing, aggressive reversals of other edits even ones with solid references, lack of discussions with reversals, authoritative sounding referrals to vague notions such as "most scholars" etc. with obviously no proper citation since none can exist, immediate choral accusations of other edits for various Wikipedia violations while committing serious violations, relying on an arbitrary consensus concept which even the WP:CONS page does not indicate as to how the resolution for that is made obvious to all parties. I could go on (e.g. with some key words and phrases used in propaganda) but I am sure you get the general idea. SO, no, I am beholden to a single topic, but want a better Wikipedia. Actually, everyone who reads this paragraph could check out a few pages on history, say, in general and see whether my comments apply, just for fun or seriously, then may wish to compare it with the article(s) and everything else related to it in my "edit history" as you stated it. In closing, I very much appreciate your mentioning WP:CTOPICS, as there are a great number of Wikipedia pages and moving parts that take time for me to get familiar with.70.164.212.36 (talk) 22:19, 8 February 2023 (UTC)

I assure you, I am very concerned about propaganda on Wikipedia. By now, you've been pointed to all the various ways in which Wikipedia handles these disputes. As I said on your Talk page, I really think your best move here is not to push forward with this concern right now, but to learn more about how Wikipedia functions, through your own experience. You're going to have extreme trouble convincing other editors of anything (and thus achieving consensus) as a brand-new IP editor. (I also strongly suggest making an account!) -- asilvering (talk) 22:26, 8 February 2023 (UTC)

Just curious, how much of this "propaganda hunting" will involve the subject of Turks and Armenians and genocide? Heiro 22:31, 8 February 2023 (UTC)

User:Heiro Why? Are you concerned that the hunters will come after you? If there is nothing that you should be concerned about, then I believe you should be applauding any activity to suppress propaganda in Wikipedia. No?70.164.212.36 (talk) 23:46, 8 February 2023 (UTC)

Me? Nope. But I will be making popcorn to watch your progress now that you've been notified of DS on the Balkans/Eastern Europe. Heiro 00:01, 9 February 2023 (UTC)

Have fun, though I have no idea what the DS you mention is. I already wrote: "new editor". WP:DS does not seem relevant, so perhaps you would care to explain? Thanks.70.164.212.36 (talk) 00:19, 9 February 2023 (UTC)

Discretionary Sanctions, this section left at your talk page should explained it all to you User talk:70.164.212.36#Introduction to contentious topics. Heiro 00:29, 9 February 2023 (UTC)

Thanks again. If I had to choose between myself fighting propaganda on Wikipedia one article after another and Wikipedia fighting propaganda in general, I would have to choose the latter. In fact, I have already seen a great deal of interest regarding my questions on propaganda in Wikipedia, so perhaps a case can be made that a Wikipedia council/commission/etc. should be formed to fight propaganda by issuing clear rules against it (as I noted above, it is not difficult to identify, and there should be no shortage of candidates proposed by editors), by reversing it as much as possible, and by sanctioning related editors and enablers as necessary. I do not believe Wikipedia editors can fight it by judging on things such as edit-warring (which propagandists actually use as a weapon because they are well-versed in to how to attack) or sockpuppeting (same thing here), since their field of interest is limited in these cases. Now, however, you have touched on a sensitive subject: that of achieving consensus, on which WP:CONS is absolutely not clear. So, one editor can claim that consensus was not reached, while the other can claim the opposite, and it is easier for the first one's claim to be upheld, especially if that is the editor reversing an edit. Please do not reply here unless the answer is very simple, as that should really be another subject. 70.164.212.36 (talk) 23:43, 8 February 2023 (UTC)

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

Spelling

Are words on English Wikipedia articles spelled correctly all the time? I've always wondered this, what's the correct spelling accuracy on articles in general, and how are we sure very minor unseen mistakes are corrected? 71.9.87.159 (talk) 22:12, 8 February 2023 (UTC)

No, they aren't spelled correctly all the time. No unseen mistakes will ever be corrected, since someone would first have to see the mistake to correct it! Why the concern about spelling? -- asilvering (talk) 22:18, 8 February 2023 (UTC)

There is the project WP:TYPO where interested editors search for and fix spelling errors. An endless task. RudolfRed (talk) 22:24, 8 February 2023 (UTC)

Note also that Wikipedia deliberately allows different varieties of English to exist according to the topic of an article. So your color may be my colour: the aim is for consistency within articles but not necessarily between articles. See {{American English}}, {{British English}} and {{Indian English}} among others. Mike Turnbull (talk) 22:44, 8 February 2023 (UTC)

A question about Sources

My draft article about a German film director Draft:Marvin Nuecklaus has already been rejected once because I used IMDb as a source for film credits. I have swapped out IMDb for other sources, but want to make sure my other sources look acceptable before resubmitting. Could someone take a look? Specifically, can I use an interview the subject gave to one of the film festivals as a source? ClareNoI (talk) 01:26, 9 February 2023 (UTC)

ClareNoI, an interview does not count for notability, as it is not independent of the subject. However, it can be used in a WP:ABOUTSELF way. Sungodtemple (talk • contribs) 02:21, 9 February 2023 (UTC)

How do I know if a new article is published?

I created a new page. How do I know if it is 'live"? Soldier Friend (talk) 02:27, 9 February 2023 (UTC)

It's "live", such as it is, here: [2]. That's in your user sandbox, so it's not a Wikipedia article. I think you'll want to have a look at WP:AUTOBIO. -- asilvering (talk) 02:32, 9 February 2023 (UTC)

(edit conflict)It is live in your sandbox, but it is not in the main article space. Google won't index it there. That is the direct answer to your direct question. Now for answers to questions you didn't ask: Your contribution is not ready to be moved to mainspace yet. It has no sources, therefore it fails our verifiability requirements. You need to demonstate in-depth coverage from multiple reliable, independent sources. Please see Help:Your first article. I hope that is useful. 78.26 _{(spin me / revolutions)} 02:34, 9 February 2023 (UTC)

Thank you! I was having trouble adding links. I'll try again tomorrow with a fresh brain Soldier Friend (talk) 02:42, 9 February 2023 (UTC)

Standard sections for biographical articles. Do not add hyperlinks. See Help:Referencing for beginners for ref format. All content must be either verified by references or removed. David notMD (talk) 03:18, 9 February 2023 (UTC)

Hi, welcome to the teahouse. I found you created a biography on your sandbox, this is a good start. You need some realiable sources for providing WP:Notability fot this person. Lemonaka (talk) 03:56, 9 February 2023 (UTC)

Thank you so much. I am used to a bit of a different format for publishing. I tried again with links and a photo my friend sent me. It was getting rejected because it wasn't from my own phone. I will see if it was accepted. Thank you for being helpful and hand-holding all the rookies like me. Soldier Friend (talk) 04:02, 9 February 2023 (UTC)

Hello, Soldier Friend, and welcome to the Teahouse. I'm afraid it's not just the format that is unfamilar to you: it's the whole purpose of Wikipedia.

Wikipedia is not the information that you (or I, or any random person on the internet) knows: it summarises what published reliable sources say about a subject, nothing more. I suggest looking at WP:BACKWARD.

More generally, I always advise new editors to spend a few months making improvements to some of our existing six million articles, and learning how Wikipedia works, before trying the challinging task of creating a new one. That task is even more challenging for an article about a living person, and yet harder if you're writing about somebody you know (as I'm guessing you are). ColinFine (talk) 10:51, 9 February 2023 (UTC)

I will continue to read and try to get the article presentable. The person is indeed among the living. I have not met him personally. I don't feel comfortable making improvements on anyone else's articles, but thank you for the suggestion on WP:BACKWARD. I'll keep at it and thank you so much. If I can't get past the hurdles, it's not the end of the world. Soldier Friend (talk) 14:03, 9 February 2023 (UTC)

Hi, Soldier Friend! To further help you understand how Wikipedia works (which we all had to and most of us are still doing), let me pick up on something you said: "I don't feel comfortable making improvements on anyone else's articles . . . ."

If you mean "articles about someone else" – don't worry about that, subjects of articles have no 'ownership' of them, and are strongly discouraged from even editing them*, they are "Wikipedia's articles about them," not "their articles on Wikipedia." We are protective of people's legitimate rights and safety, however: I recommend you read Wikipedia:Biographies of living persons, which we observe strictly. (*or writing them, see Wikipedia:Autobiography.)

If you mean "articles written/edited by other people" – again, don't worry about it. Wikipedia is by definition a crowd-sourced, collaborative enterprise. Nobody owns the words they enter here, because by the Terms of Use, they are irrevocably donating them to Wikipedia. See the essay Wikipedia:Ownership of content.

Most articles have (or will be) edited by many different contributors. You are welcome to help improve any article, and if you make a mistake in good faith, nobody will mind, they'll just correct it. We operate on a Wikipedia:BOLD, revert, discuss cycle, so you can boldly make a change/addition/deletion you think is good, another editor may disagree and revert it, and then you two (and others) can discuss it on the article's Talk page or on either of your own Talk pages. Hope this helps. {The poster formerly known as 87.81.230.195} 51.198.141.181 (talk) 16:38, 9 February 2023 (UTC)

How do I create a new Wikipedia page?

I want to know how to create a new Wikipedia page. Can you explain this to me? KittensMittens2 (talk) 03:24, 9 February 2023 (UTC)

Detailed info at WP:FIRST. -- asilvering (talk) 03:42, 9 February 2023 (UTC)

@KittensMittens2, Hi, welcome to the teahouse. If you want to creat an article, and this is your first time, Why not have a try for WP:AFCH Lemonaka (talk) 03:54, 9 February 2023 (UTC)

Rather than Lemonaka's suggestion, the first WP:FIRST is more helpful for new editors. That said, standard advice is put in months improving existing articles as a means to learning about Wikipedia before trying to create an article. I do see that you went through the tutorials, which was wise. P.S. You are allowed to delete stuff from your User page and your Talk page. David notMD (talk) 04:30, 9 February 2023 (UTC)

Thank you KittensMittens2 (talk) 04:45, 9 February 2023 (UTC)

Developing consensus on a protected page

I proposed a modification to a protected page, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Blockade_of_the_Gaza_Strip#A_few_more_dates_for_context . I don't have permission to edit myself, so I detailed what I could. Two months later, somebody replied to say that there's no consensus so the changes were rejected.

So, how does one develop consensus? I forget the acronym, but the usual procedure is to make a modification, then wait for a "VIP" to arbitrarily revert it, then hold the discussion, but that can't be done if the page can't be edited. The fact that the request got no reply for months indicates that posting to the talk page is not the way to start the conversation. What's the right approach to initiate the conversation? B k (talk) 04:06, 9 February 2023 (UTC)

The Talk page is the right place - I'm surprised to see someone say it has no consensus if no one has argued against it in so long. You could try following up with the editor who declined on their own user talk page. But also - it's just extended confirmed protection, and you're not far off from that yourself (you need 500 edits). Go chip away at a maintenance backlog or something and you'll be able to edit the page directly and get into all the WP:BRD arguments you desire. Be mindful of the WP:DS on that article in particular. -- asilvering (talk) 04:17, 9 February 2023 (UTC)

Thanks for your suggestions. I'm not sure of the etiquette of when it's appropriate to DM somebody, so your indication that that's OK on WP is useful. But as per your suggestion, I probably won't worry about petitioning and will get back to it whenever I can just edit the page myself. B k (talk) 04:32, 9 February 2023 (UTC)

Hello, B k: Don't "DM" somebody: there is a strong preference for discussions to be held in public, so post on the editor's user talk page. ColinFine (talk) 10:54, 9 February 2023 (UTC)

2018 St Louis Cardinals season (baseball)

Hello. Have a problem. Go to batters section. Go to edit section, I entered about 15 players that were inadvertantly erased. Can you put back the player data that was erased in the most current additions I made? Thank you for your time.Theairportman33531 (talk) 04:30, 9 February 2023 (UTC)

Please disregard. The problem has been worked out. Sorry about that.Theairportman33531 (talk) 04:44, 9 February 2023 (UTC)

Sadly, wikimedia don't have an auto-save feature. So if your network is not stable, you can have a try for working on Office Word first, then copy it to wikimedia. Lemonaka (talk) 09:49, 9 February 2023 (UTC)

My draft for my article submission was declined and I don't really understand why.

My draft for my article submission was declined and I don't really understand why. Could someone please help.? It sounds like is was declined because of the subjects lack of notability which doesn't make sense because the subject is actually very well known. Draft -> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Alice_Jacobsen Almighty059 (talk) 05:43, 9 February 2023 (UTC)

Almighty059, the template at the top of the draft invites you to "see the guidelines on the notability of people". Please read and digest them; and if you have questions about how they're related to Draft:Alice_Jacobsen, feel free to ask here. -- Hoary (talk) 06:24, 9 February 2023 (UTC)

She for sure fits the guidelines, and I think at least one of the sources meets all the sourcing requirements - @Almighty059 my recommendation is finding more reliable sources aka newspaper articles or maybe muesum pages about the artist. Overall I think this artist is notable enough for a page LegalSmeagolian (talk) 20:10, 9 February 2023 (UTC)

LegalSmeagolianYou can move the page yourself to mainspace or resubmit to AfC. While AfC reviewers generally take a dim view of resubmissions without improvement, I think this meets the threshold of likely to survive a deletion discussion, as the Chicago Tribune wrote an obit for them. Slywriter (talk) 20:22, 9 February 2023 (UTC)

Alright I'll WP:BOLD and do it LegalSmeagolian (talk) 20:27, 9 February 2023 (UTC)

Notability Understanding

I need some help to understand GNG Guideline. I am sharing one news links, Do you think this source is indepth, independent? Could you please share 2-3 sources which are indepth, independent related to any person. I just need an understanding.

What are the other best ways to improve my GNG understanding? Lordofhunter (talk) 06:57, 9 February 2023 (UTC)

Hello, Lordofhunter. That link is to a sleazy, clickbait website that is trying to peddle gossip and personally identifying information about minor "celebrities". It is pretty much the opposite of an actually reliable source. All you need to do is to look closely at that website to see that they spread rumors and repackage press releases. Developing the skill to evaluate the reliability of sources is essential for any long term Wikipedia editor. Cullen328 (talk) 07:17, 9 February 2023 (UTC)

Lordofhunter, that page tells me, inter alia, "Ratan Tata's Parents are the most searched topic on the internet." This is a surprising assertion (complete with Trumpian capitalization of "parents"). The page tells me this immediately above a photo of the business end of a penis, a photo that has the caption "Sex Lasts More Than 3 Hours Without Viagra! Write Down The Recipe". I suspect that "sex" and "penis" are among very many topics (not all of them related to sex) that are searched much more often than this person's parents. Glancing briefly at this page (before hurriedly closing it), I'm surprised that you would take it at all seriously. -- Hoary (talk) 07:36, 9 February 2023 (UTC)

It may be independent, but doesn't look reliable (WP:RS). I couldn't find an about-page but there was this: "FreshersLive - No.1 Job site in India. Here you can find latest 2023 government as well as private job recruitment notifications for different posts vacancies in India."

Examples:[3][4][5] Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 08:21, 9 February 2023 (UTC)

Based on your explanations, I am sharing 3 sources. Do you think they are acceptable for GNG? 1. Manoj Modi, Right Hand of India's Richest Man 2. Rakesh, India's Warren Buffett 3. News Based on Ola (Uber of India) CEO's Tweet. I am not sure about this 3rd kind of news. Gråbergs Gråa Sång, & Cullen328 need your opinion also, please. Lordofhunter (talk) 02:28, 10 February 2023 (UTC)

@Lordofhunter, please do not start a new post that way. If you have more to add, simply add it to this post here. I've moved your reply. 97.126.96.89 (talk) 03:31, 10 February 2023 (UTC)

Indian "news" sources are partuclarly difficult to judge. So many of them, even the mainstream publications, tend to weave in stories based on opinion or recycled press releases into otherwise fact-checkable coverage. I recommend avoid an Indian source if a non-Indian reliable source is available. In fact, this decision was made by the community when developing the article 2020 Delhi riots to avoid Indian sources in favor of foreign news services based in India, because all Indian news outlets were clearly incapable of providing neutral coverage of the topic. ~Anachronist (talk) 03:46, 10 February 2023 (UTC)

Anachronist Exactly, even, I felt that Indian Media are not doing that great coverage. Indian Media is influenced by govt, however, I request you share your analysis of the source I shared. As if it is an Indian personality, sources might be majorly, Indian only. Lordofhunter (talk) 07:47, 10 February 2023 (UTC)

Scam email

Hi! where do I report (what I suspect/believe to be) a scam email delivered via the wiki-email system? Licks-rocks (talk) 08:01, 9 February 2023 (UTC)

Hello, Licks-rocks. Please file your report at Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents, carefully following all of the instructions at the top of that page, and providing complete details. Cullen328 (talk) 08:27, 9 February 2023 (UTC)

Hello, welcome to the teahouse. Another way to report this is forward the email to ca@wikimedia.org, which known as trust and safety. They may deal with it rapidly. Lemonaka (talk) 09:46, 9 February 2023 (UTC)

If this is related to AfC, Wikipedia:Articles for creation/Scam warning suggests this can be forwarded to paid-en-wpwikipedia.org, too. Victor Schmidt (talk) 11:27, 9 February 2023 (UTC)

4. What are the main differences between Genocide, War Crimes, Crimes Against Humanity, and Ethnic Cleansing?

What are the main differences between Genocide, War Crimes, Crimes Against Humanity, and Ethnic Cleansing? 5.195.227.208 (talk) 09:26, 9 February 2023 (UTC)

Might this by any chance be school homework? That aside, do you have any question about the use of Wikipedia? (That's what this page is for.) -- Hoary (talk) 09:29, 9 February 2023 (UTC)

Hello and welcome. This page is for asking questions about how to use Wikipedia, and it isn't a general question asking forum- for that you could try the Reference Desk- or you could look at the articles on those subjects(like genocide). 331dot (talk) 09:34, 9 February 2023 (UTC)

Genocide is killing large amounts of a certain race. War Crimes are acts that violate international humanitarian law during war, Crimes Against Humanity are acts done to cause as much pain and suffering as possible, and Ethnic Cleansing is killing/ removing members of an ethnic/religious group that are viewed as "unwanted". Club On a Sub 20 (talk) 16:09, 9 February 2023 (UTC)

For whatever reason when I saw "Crimes Against Humanity" my brain went to Cards Against Humanity... I don't know why either. ― Blaze Wolf^Talk_{Blaze Wolf#6545} 20:16, 9 February 2023 (UTC)

error on talk page archive

I don't know why, or how to fix it, but on my User talk:Govvy/Archive13 page, the New Pages Patrol newsletter January 2023 box hasn't closed and seems to have engulfed two other archived posts. Anyone able to fix it for me?? Govvy (talk) 11:26, 9 February 2023 (UTC)

There was an unterminated div tag. Maproom has now added a terminating </div> for you. - David Biddulph (talk) 12:07, 9 February 2023 (UTC)

Just got back, saw that, thank you guys. Govvy (talk) 16:27, 9 February 2023 (UTC)

Copyrighted imagery on a web "basemap"?

Hello! I am wondering what the thinking is on using an online mapping app to create a custom map for a Wikipedia article. I think it would be considered "own work." But what if the "basemap" is copyrighted?

Here is an example. I recently created a draft article for consideration called, "Watershed Delineation." I created a map for the article using a Python script that I wrote and some open source mapping tools.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Watershed_delineation#/media/File:Lost_Creek_Reservoir_Watershed.jpg

The basemap, or map background, added by default by the Python library "contextily" is "Stamen Terrain." It's created by a company called Stamen, whose maps are used all over the web, using data from OpenStreetMap. The rendered map displays text at the bottom that says "(C) OpenStreetMap contributors."

It seems that you are allowed and encouraged to use this data as long as credit is given, based on this: https://www.openstreetmap.org/copyright

So would this map image (and others like it) be considered acceptable as-is? Or would I have to do something else for proper attribution? Thanks! Mheberger (talk) 12:47, 9 February 2023 (UTC)

@Mheberger Whilst I'm no expert on copyright - nor indeed on map-making- I'd say that you gave the correct attribution (assuming any maps you used were themselves derived from OSM). However, that attribution should go in the entry on Commons, and not within the actual map image itself. I would suggest removing the text from the map, and replacing it with a scale to give some idea of size of the watershed. Nick Moyes (talk) 22:02, 9 February 2023 (UTC)

Thanks for the feedback Nick. That makes sense. I've updated the map to add a scale bar and remove the attribution text, which I've added on the file's Wikimedia Commons page: https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Lost_Creek_Reservoir_Watershed.jpg Mheberger (talk) 06:06, 10 February 2023 (UTC)

I have made draft of Indeep Koirala

 Courtesy link: Draft:Indeep Koirala

I have made draft of Indeep Koirala who is a journalist of Nepal please go through it and let me know the changes to de done. CreateNewPage01 (talk) 14:28, 9 February 2023 (UTC)

CreateNewPage01 Hello. I think you refer to Draft:Indeep Koirala? I've added the information to allow you to submit the draft article for review. I would note that you cannot use Wikipedia as a source per WP:CIRCULAR. 331dot (talk) 14:32, 9 February 2023 (UTC)

I've replaced that ref with {{citation needed}} tag, and added one to another unsourced statement. —Wasell^(T) 🌻🇺🇦 15:19, 9 February 2023 (UTC)

Hello CreateNewPage01! Welcome to the Teahouse! If you want your draft reviewed, there's button on the draft for you to submit it for review. Good luck! - UtherSRG (talk) 14:33, 9 February 2023 (UTC)

Hello CreateNewPage01. I suggest you look at WP:notability, WP:42, and WP:BACKWARD. ColinFine (talk) 14:45, 9 February 2023 (UTC)

You also ought to read recent entries on User talk:Koiralaindeep. - David Biddulph (talk) 14:58, 9 February 2023 (UTC)

Blocked for evasion of a previous block Jimfbleak - talk to me? 15:29, 9 February 2023 (UTC)

Interpretation of WP:NOTNEWS and WP:NOTWHOSWHO

I just did a bit of copyediting on 2010 Keswick coach accident, an English road incident in which three people were killed. I was surprised to see that the three people were named. I'm aware of both the above named policies, so I have removed the names as part of my other edits to the article. I strongly suspect someone might push back on the removal of the names. Did I interpret the policy correctly? Was I right to do so? Feedback would be very useful, as would a watching eye on the article because I don't want to start an edit war. 10mmsocket (talk) 16:25, 9 February 2023 (UTC)

I believe you might have. From what I understood, the people can be named, just not extensively talked about. Club On a Sub 20 (talk) 18:00, 9 February 2023 (UTC)

Why do wikipedia articles about myself have to be in-depth?

I was making a wikipedia article about myself that wasnt super in-depth, and it got marked for deletion. Please reply as soon as possible ProConYT (talk) 16:46, 9 February 2023 (UTC)

Hello, ProconYT, and welcome to the Teahouse. The answer is that Wikipedia is an encyclopaedia, not a medium for promotion, or a random collection of information. Please read What Wikipedia is not, and notability for more information. ColinFine (talk) 16:53, 9 February 2023 (UTC)

@ProConYT: As Draft:Level series (A series by GDMrBoi427 on geometry dash). says, it's multiple published sources that have to be "in-depth (not just passing mentions about the subject)". The article itself can be brief, called a stub, if there are good sources. Wikipedia only wants articles about subjects which have already received in-depth coverage elsewhere. PrimeHunter (talk) 17:18, 9 February 2023 (UTC)

I am guessing an article or draft about yourself was Speedy deleted (only Administrators can see details). Autobiography is frowned upon but not forbidden (see WP:AUTO). However, if no references, no potential to become an article. As for Draft:Level series (A series by GDMrBoi427 on geometry dash)., also no refs, and expect it to disappear soon. David notMD (talk) 17:42, 9 February 2023 (UTC)

@ProConYT So far, none of your 10 edits here have been deleted. Nor, as far as I can tell, have any yet been marked for deletion. That said, Draft:Level series (A series by GDMrBoi427 on geometry dash). is never going to meet our Notability criteria for computer games, and it was 'declined' after you submitted it for review. That's not the same thing. Drafts that remain unedited for 6 months do get deleted however - and that's also happened to drafts I've started but never finished. Regards, Nick Moyes (talk) 20:40, 9 February 2023 (UTC)

Year collages

Could someone point me to some useful pages about events of the year image collages (e.g. 2022) giving me more information about them? I would like to create some for pages that lack them someday! - L'Mainerque! - Let's Talk! 16:52, 9 February 2023 (UTC)

Pinging The ganymedian, who seems to have created that one and some others. ColinFine (talk) 16:58, 9 February 2023 (UTC)

ColinFine, Thanks! - L'Mainerque! - Let's Talk! 17:08, 9 February 2023 (UTC)

Wiki Administrators needed

The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

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How do I speak to Wikipedia administrators about a very interesting phenomenon? Millions are articles are incorrect but most people don't understand. 2600:8802:3A12:E700:443D:5588:38BA:EEB3 (talk) 19:23, 9 February 2023 (UTC)

Hello and welcome. Article content issues may generally be addressed by any editor, feel free to give your concern here- but keep in mind that Wikipedia summarizes what independent reliable sources say. I find your comment "millions are articles are incorrect" curious. 331dot (talk) 19:28, 9 February 2023 (UTC)

Example one out of millions:

The Crown Heights riot is considered a Black American riot.

That's 100% slanderous and false. It has nothing to do with Black Americans.

Two South American children were hit by a Jewish man's car. A Jewish ambulance assisted the Jewish driver and passengers and left the SOUTH AMERICAN children under the car dying. This caused an IMMIGRANT from TRINIDAD to be angry and seek revenge. A TRINIDADIAN killed an innocent Jewish man with no relationship to the accident. How the hell is a neighborhood of immigrants running amok classified as a Black American riot. It's a Caribbean and South American versus Jewish riot. This trash misinformation is typical and in MILLIONS OF ARTICLES. 2600:8802:3A12:E700:443D:5588:38BA:EEB3 (talk) 19:45, 9 February 2023 (UTC)

Wikipedia summarizes what independent reliable sources say about a topic. If those sources are accurately summarized here, but are in error, you will need to take that up with the sources. 331dot (talk) 19:52, 9 February 2023 (UTC)

Could you please provide identifiable proof of this being the cause of the riots? Explodicator7331 (talk) 20:03, 9 February 2023 (UTC)

Wikipedia is a place that anyone can edit - if this is true I suggest finding a reliable source, citing it, and editing the article LegalSmeagolian (talk) 20:04, 9 February 2023 (UTC)

It's not about sources.

The source and the Wikipedia article clearly say the children are Guyanese immigrants and a Trinidadian guy killed a Jewish guy. ZERO TO DO WITH BLACK AMERICANS. There is no excuse. The article is slander. 2600:8802:3A12:E700:443D:5588:38BA:EEB3 (talk) 20:31, 9 February 2023 (UTC)

If you think that the sources are not being accurately summarized, you can either edit the article yourself or start a discussion on the talk page. If you are reverted, you should then definitely start a discussion on the talk page. This is how Wikipedia works. 199.208.172.35 (talk) 20:36, 9 February 2023 (UTC)

If the issue is the article does not use the term Caribbean Americans (if those were the principle communities involved in the unrest) then you can make that change as long as you provide appropriate sourcing. It seems like many other sources, such as https://www.baruch.cuny.edu/nycdata/disasters/riots-crown_heights.html, refer to the division as between the African-American community and the Jewish community. I also think it is quite problematic that you use the term "immigrants running amok" - seems like you may need to analyze your own biases. regardless, this discussion is better suited to the relevant pages talk page. LegalSmeagolian (talk) 20:41, 9 February 2023 (UTC)

Of course, after lying it became a Black American riot. It was all immigrants and anybody saying otherwise is a liar. Trinidadians and Guyanese are not Black Americans no matter how much you lie about it. 2600:8802:3A12:E700:443D:5588:38BA:EEB3 (talk) 20:48, 9 February 2023 (UTC)

Wikipedia summarizes what reliable sources say. If you think the article does not reflect what is said in reliable sources, you can try to fix it. If you think the sources are unreliable, you can try to challenge them (we have a place for that - WP:RSN). Calling us liars is not going to accomplish anything. 199.208.172.35 (talk) 20:53, 9 February 2023 (UTC)

I'll refer you to this article. I think you are letting some personal bias impact your thoughts on this issue. LegalSmeagolian (talk) 20:54, 9 February 2023 (UTC)

Your racist narratives wanted this to be a Black American riot. The media refused to classify Gavin CATO (a Spanish name) as a South American boy. Do you know where Guyana is? It's not America's 51st state. How is he Black American? 2600:8802:3A12:E700:CD98:4710:36DD:848C (talk) 21:00, 9 February 2023 (UTC)

Hello, and welcome to the Teahouse. I suspect that you think that administrators control Wikipedia: that's not really the case: they have access to certain tools that other editors don't (including deleting articles and blocking users) but generally operate according to a consensus of editors. Setting and changing policy is not done by administrators, but by editors (including the admins) in discussion.

We certainly have millions of articles that are unsatisfactory, and a proportion of those will certainly contains errors. 331dot is right that you can talk about problems with individual articles on those articles' talk pages. But if there is some more general issue you want to discuss, the Village pump is probably the best place. ColinFine (talk) 19:32, 9 February 2023 (UTC)

See Reliability of Wikipedia and Wikipedia:General disclaimer. David notMD (talk) 19:34, 9 February 2023 (UTC)

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

Information Hunting

So, I am pretty new to Wikipedia. I was asking about tips and tricks that people use to find helpful sources to expand on a page. It seems like for every piece of information I find, someone has already discussed or talked about. Is it usually a hard process to find new information or is there something that I am missing that could help enhance my knowledge? Any information is greatly appreciated.

Thank you Devin Bender (talk) 22:47, 9 February 2023 (UTC)

yeah it is hard - what types of pages are you primarily looking to edit? LegalSmeagolian (talk) 22:57, 9 February 2023 (UTC)

Devin Bender, it certainly can be hard to find, from reliable sources, information about popular subjects that neither has already been added to the relevant articles nor is mere trivia. But I've never had trouble finding subjects that clearly don't interest many other Wikipedia editors but do interest me. Which subject areas are of interest to you? -- Hoary (talk) 22:58, 9 February 2023 (UTC)

@Devin Bender It really helps to read some articles about how to use Google and other search engines effectively. (Try some of these). Having basic skills at searching for (or exclude) particular set words or phrases, or using Google Books to find Reliable Sources is a very valuable skill to acquire for a Wikipedian.

There are literally tens of thousands of articles (if not millions) of articles that need people like you to use their search skills to find and add citations to unsupported statements in articles. All these articles have been flagged up in one way or another. Here's just one tip to find ideas for you to work on:

• In desktop mode, next to your User Page tab, you'll see a 'Homepage' tab. Click on it.
• It will offer you 'suggested edits' to make. But before you do anything else you ned to click on 'Easy Edits' and deselect all the options shown.
• Now, in 'Medium edits' select only the box marked Find references (sources for existing articles)
• Click 'Done', and now you can rapidly scroll through around 20,000 suggested article titles that need improving with citations until you find titles that interest or intrigue you.

...the rest is up to you!

Hoping this is of interest. Regards from the UK, Nick Moyes (talk) 23:36, 9 February 2023 (UTC)

Finding sources is tricky, and it can take some practice. A lot of it depends on what types of articles you're working on. For most subjects, you can use Google Scholar or a similar academic search engine, especially if you have access to paywalled articles (check with your university and your local library, they usually offer some form of digital access). News articles are useful for current events, but make sure they're from reliable outlets. Wikipedia:Reliable sources/Perennial sources gives a rough idea of how reliable different sources are considered to be. And as Nick said above, Google Books is incredibly helpful. One other valuable resource that every Wikipedian should know: The Internet Archive. It can give you access to old webpages that might otherwise have disappeared, and it has a huge collection of books available to borrow for free. Thebiguglyalien (talk) 23:55, 9 February 2023 (UTC)

oh yes - a very good point. The Wayback Machine is wonderful for retrieving non-functioning links and finding new ones that work (or linking to archived versions). Never delete a dead link, as this can still be used by others to find current sources. Just flag it as dead like this: . Nick Moyes (talk) 00:02, 10 February 2023 (UTC)

how to find suggested highlighted edits from the Wiki editor

I received my article back, declined, with some places in the footnotes marked in red, I need to see what was marked in order to see what I need to correct. Now I can't find the view that had these red letter markings, just the draft in regular black and blue. Where can I find this version? Florence S. Boos (talk) 01:44, 10 February 2023 (UTC)

Florence S. Boos, I think you're asking about some aspect(s) of Draft:William Thompson Boos; unfortunately, I don't quite understand which. Perhaps somebody brighter than me will be able to help. Meanwhile, and independently of that, your user page looks like an article draft. Please either (A) move it (e.g. to User:Florence S. Boos/Florence S. Boos, or Draft:Florence S. Boos) and work on it as a draft, or (B) alter it so that it does not look like an article draft. -- Hoary (talk) 02:04, 10 February 2023 (UTC)

It was an article submission of a draft: William Thompson Boos, and the submission was rejected. Shall I still move it under my name? This could be confusing because I had to submit a self-description, and I don't want the two to be confused.

The issue is that the editor sent it back to me, but with markup. I can't find his markup, and I need this to make the revisions. Florence S. Boos (talk) 02:09, 10 February 2023 (UTC)

Florence S. Boos, various points:

• Do you see the error messages in red when you view this version? If you do see them there, whereas you don't see them when you look at Draft:William Thompson Boos, this is because the problems causing them have been fixed in the meantime.
• You're welcome to leave Draft:William Thompson Boos where it is while you improve it.
• Eagleash wrote "Headings should be in sentence case". I have fixed this.
• A vastly more important problem remains. "Life", "Personal", and "Book and views" are unreferenced. All must be referenced (and to "reliable sources").
• Please decide on the purpose of the current content of User:Florence S. Boos. Is it a description of you, the Wikipedia editor, or is it intended as the draft for an article? If the former, please make it look less like an article. (A change from third-person to first-person would be beneficial.) If the latter, please move it. (You should see a "Move" option for it.)

-- Hoary (talk) 04:25, 10 February 2023 (UTC)

Thank you. This is wonderfully helpful. Are my headings o. k. in formatting? I'll give sources for the "life and views"--these are of course in his books and articles, and I will cite them. As for his life, I can cite his obituary. Thanks so much, Florence Florence S. Boos (talk) 04:28, 10 February 2023 (UTC)

Florence S. Boos, I have already reformatted the headings, leaving them in a satisfactory format. For certain kinds of assertion, somebody is a "reliable source" for himself; for plenty of other kinds, not. Please read and digest "Wikipedia:Reliable sources". -- Hoary (talk) 04:35, 10 February 2023 (UTC)

Want to link to a YouTube page of Michael Scott from the Office on my userpage... whitelist?

I want to link to a YouTube page on my user page. It is a fun and short clip talking about wikipedia. I thought it would be cute to include on my userpage, but the site is blocked. I get it. It's YouTube, probably should be blocked, but I want to include just this one clip. Please help me to whitelist it for my user page.

Since I can't even paste the link here for informative purposes, if you google , "Michael Scott on wikipedia", it is a 13 second clip with about 609,000 views as of this writing. That is the exact link I want to include on my userpage as a light hearted little reference to the project that we are all working on in the brackets with the 'here' word on my userpage. TY — Moops ^⋠T⋡ 03:38, 10 February 2023 (UTC)

@Moops, full YouTube links are not blocked, but ones put through URL shorteners often are. Is this the link you wanted? 1 97.126.96.89 (talk) 03:57, 10 February 2023 (UTC)

Yes. I will try that now then. TY — Moops ^⋠T⋡ 03:58, 10 February 2023 (UTC)

Got it up. My request is satisfied. Should I delete this post then now that it has been fulfilled? TY — Moops ^⋠T⋡ 04:05, 10 February 2023 (UTC)

@Moops: No need to do that. The information here may be useful to others. The "why can't I link to Youtube" question does come up now and then because the URL shortener domain youtu.be is blocked. ~Anachronist (talk) 04:10, 10 February 2023 (UTC)

I guess a follow up question then... Why is the shortener blocked, when the full URL is not? Seems silly, but maybe I am missing something. TY — Moops ^⋠T⋡ 04:12, 10 February 2023 (UTC)

I believe that would be because in general URL shorteners of any type can not be relied upon to always point to the same URL. JohnRussell (talk) 04:57, 10 February 2023 (UTC)

Edited Draft:SM City Bacoor

not done to edit help in teahouse 112.206.193.27 (talk) 04:14, 10 February 2023 (UTC)

Is this a question, or a request? Please rephrase in a way that people are likely to understand. -- Hoary (talk) 04:28, 10 February 2023 (UTC)

edit add +1000 bytes and done 112.206.193.27 (talk) 05:34, 10 February 2023 (UTC)

edit it! 112.206.193.27 (talk) 09:40, 10 February 2023 (UTC)

Note left at editor's talk to see List of shopping malls in the Philippines for examples of referenced articles about SM malls. David notMD (talk) 13:03, 10 February 2023 (UTC)

How do I add refrences to an article?

I am trying to add references to an article, but I don't know how to do that. Can I have some help? KittensMittens2 (talk) 04:16, 10 February 2023 (UTC)

KittensMittens2, please see Help:Referencing for beginners. -- Hoary (talk) 04:27, 10 February 2023 (UTC)

Proper way to cite WorldCat book entries?

<ref>{{cite web |author1=((Book Author: Marjorie Weinman Sharmat)) |author2=((Book Illustrator: Marc Simont)) |title=Nate the great |url=https://www.worldcat.org/title/590501 |website=WorldCat OCLC |publisher=Book Publisher: Coward, McCann & Geoghegan, New York, 1972 |access-date=10 February 2023 |quote=Summary: Nate the Great solves the mystery of the missing picture}}</ref>

Looking for advice on the proper way to cite WorldCat web links to book entries. In the reference above I used the "Book Author" "Book Illustrator" "Book Publisher" in those fields, which seem to really be intended for the website author, website publisher, etc. Could that info all be added into the quote field? Thanks! JohnRussell (talk) 04:54, 10 February 2023 (UTC)

@JohnRussell: Welcome to the Teahouse! Could you please let us know the article you're referring to and the context for the reference? Are you really citing the website, or citing the book instead? GoingBatty (talk) 05:17, 10 February 2023 (UTC)

Article is Nate the Great. The only copy of the book I have access to has an updated title page (c)2004 that doesn't list the original publisher (Coward, McCann & Geoghegan) that WorldCat verifies.

The newer version I have only lists: "Published in the United States by Yearling of Random House Children's Books, a division of Penguin House LLC, New York. Previously published in hardcover in the United States by Delacorte Press, an imprint of Random House Children's Books, New York, in 1972.

Thanks! JohnRussell (talk) 05:30, 10 February 2023 (UTC)

@JohnRussell: Thanks! It seems that your goal is to provide a source for the statement that the publisher of the 1972 edition was Coward, McCann & Geoghegan. Therefore, I suggest:

<ref>{{cite web |title=Nate the great |url=https://www.worldcat.org/title/590501 |publisher=WorldCat |access-date=10 February 2023}}</ref>

Hope this helps, and happy editing! GoingBatty (talk) 05:49, 10 February 2023 (UTC)

using {{About|}}

On The Endless River these two lines at top :
{{About|the Pink Floyd album|the 2015 South African film|The Endless River (film){{!}}''The Endless River'' (film)}}
{{About|the Pink Floyd album|the 2019 film adaptation of the album|Ian Emes}}
What's the best way to combine them so " This article is about the Pink Floyd album. " isn't repeated twice.
Thanks! JohnRussell (talk) 05:06, 10 February 2023 (UTC)

@JohnRussell:  Done! GoingBatty (talk) 05:16, 10 February 2023 (UTC)

Thanks! JohnRussell (talk) 05:37, 10 February 2023 (UTC)

Adding to template

I was hoping to add a country to this template Template:Artists by nationality, but I am confused how the template can be edited? Trying to add List of Nigerian artists. PigeonChickenFish (talk) 05:40, 10 February 2023 (UTC)

@PigeonChickenFish: Welcome to the Teahouse! Looking at the source code for the template, I see the template is looking for articles named "List of artists from xxx". Therefore, I created List of artists from Nigeria as a redirect to List of Nigerian artists, and the template updated itself. Hope this is what you were looking for, and happy editing! GoingBatty (talk) 05:53, 10 February 2023 (UTC)

@GoingBatty: Thank you!PigeonChickenFish (talk) 05:56, 10 February 2023 (UTC)

How do I mark an article as overly focusing on a specific time period?

I found this article Korean influence on Japanese culture and it is overly focused on medieval and ancient times while completely ignoring modern times aside from a section I just added. Is there a template to put there to indicate this issue? I see a biased to recent events template, but if anything this article is biased against recent events. Immanuelle ❤️💚💙 (please tag me) 06:58, 10 February 2023 (UTC)

I think the template {{Missing information|Your Text}} is closest to what you are looking for. You can replace the "Your text" to something else. @Immanuelle Carpimaps (talk) 07:29, 10 February 2023 (UTC)

Immanuelle, you're right to say that recent influence has largely been ignored in the article. But I suggest you work to improve and augment what is currently written about it. The simple statement that Yakiniku is seen as having a Korean origin and became popular in the 20th century comes with six references, some of which are hard to understand. the rise and success of kpop has increasingly come back to influence jpop in many ways such as choreography: then how about adding a few of the other ways? -- Hoary (talk) 08:50, 10 February 2023 (UTC)

Charles Brenton Fisk references

I noticed that article that I wrote "Charles Brenton Fisk" has a C-grade on Military History WikiProject because of failing the references criteria. How can I improve the references in the article? Thanks, Carpimaps (talk) 07:22, 10 February 2023 (UTC)

As a minor example, Carpimaps, the article's Fisk had a son, Josiah Fisk, who is from Boston, and his daughter, Miranda Fisk, who is from Putney, Vermont. They are children of his first marriage to Ann Warren Lindenmuth. In his second marriage, he married Virginia Lee (Crist) Fisk of Gloucester at Rockport. Mass. is sourced to a tiny newspaper article that does no more than mention the Fisk–Warren marriage. Where are the sources for Josiah, Miranda, and Virginia? (And what does it mean here to say that a child is "from" this or that place?) -- Hoary (talk) 08:42, 10 February 2023 (UTC)

There's a book Here that may be useful. Here is information on another book. Here is his New York Times obituary. Here is information from the Atomic Heritage Foundation. Here is an article from the Harvard Gazette. Those were all first page results by searching Google for Charles Brenton Fisk. In general, you want to look for reliable sources from things like books published by reliable, academic publishing houses, well-respected journals and news sources, university and museum based sources, stuff like that. --Jayron32 13:38, 10 February 2023 (UTC)

Transfer articles to other wikipedia language sites

Hi, I've found an article in the english version and want to copy, translate and adopt it for the german wikipedia site. Is there a copy mechanism, or do I have to do the manual process? Thx Peter LaptopLederhose (talk) 07:40, 10 February 2023 (UTC)

Hello, LaptopLederhose. Pleade read WP:TRANSLATEUS and WP:TRANSLATE for the reverse. Probably the most important point is that translations in either direction need to be attributed properly. This is a non-negotiable requirement with real world legal consequences, so please be very careful. Cullen328 (talk) 07:52, 10 February 2023 (UTC)

List Pages notability Guidelines

Please share the guidelines for listicle pages. Please check my new page also. Draft:List of Lok Sabha members from Rajasthan Lordofhunter (talk) 10:14, 10 February 2023 (UTC)

Please see Wikipedia:Lists. Shantavira|^{feed me} 10:24, 10 February 2023 (UTC)

Added more sources in sm bacoor

@Hoary ask your question edit my Draft pls ok? 112.206.193.27 (talk) 11:07, 10 February 2023 (UTC)

@Hoary need more 15 sources 112.206.193.27 (talk) 11:08, 10 February 2023 (UTC)

Hello, and welcome to the Teahouse. I too am not sure what you're asking. But if you're asking other people to edit your draft, the answer is that somebody might, but that Teahouse hosts are here to answer questions, not to collaborate on people's drafts. ColinFine (talk) 12:16, 10 February 2023 (UTC)

I think you're asking something about, or requesting something for, Draft:SM City Bacoor. But I've no idea what. -- Hoary (talk) 11:24, 10 February 2023 (UTC)

@Hoary edit 112.206.193.27 (talk) 11:45, 10 February 2023 (UTC)

IP editor. Hoary is unlikely to want to edit your draft because the issue is that suitable sources of information probably do not exist. The world is full of shopping centres and Wikipedia limits those it covers to the notable ones: see that link for what that means. You may shop there but that does not make it a suitable topic for an article unless you can find independent reliable sources that cover it in detail as a piece of interesting architecture or for its cultural significance. Mike Turnbull (talk) 12:25, 10 February 2023 (UTC)

I note that this mall is already mentioned in List of SM Supermalls and that's likely to be all that is justified by Wikipedia's notability guidelines. Mike Turnbull (talk) 12:30, 10 February 2023 (UTC)

As commented in response to a Teahouse query earlier today, a note was left at editor's talk to see List of shopping malls in the Philippines for examples of referenced articles about individual SM malls. However, I agree with Turnbull's point - not every mall deserves an article. David notMD (talk) 13:03, 10 February 2023 (UTC)

Accepted My Draft

my was is Draft:SM Supermalls (disambiguation) in teahouse pls Accepted My Draft 112.206.193.27 (talk) 14:07, 10 February 2023 (UTC)