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The text of the entry was: Did you know ... that Jimmy Carter claims to have seen a UFO?
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President Carter enters Hospice Care

WP:NOTAFORUM, the article is already updated. – Muboshgu (talk) 22:04, 18 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]
The following discussion has been closed. Please do not modify it.

Carter Center: ATLANTA (Feb. 18, 2023) — After a series of short hospital stays, former U.S. President Jimmy Carter today decided to spend his remaining time at home with his family and receive hospice care instead of additional medical intervention. He has the full support of his family and his medical team. The Carter family asks for privacy during this time and is grateful for the concern shown by his many admirers.

[1] Coasterghost (talk) 21:01, 18 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

@Coasterghost prepare to start changing every "is" to "was" Shane04040404 (talk) 21:13, 18 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Can we not act like ghouls about this? ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 21:18, 18 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Agreed. Mycranthebigman of Alaska ^_^ 21:22, 18 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]
@Shane04040404 Yikes. LilianaUwU (talk / contributions) 21:23, 18 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Yikes, indeed! Mycranthebigman of Alaska ^_^ 21:42, 18 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Praying for Carter. Such a good man. We love you! Mycranthebigman of Alaska ^_^ 21:23, 18 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

UPI says Carter has received the last sacrament of the church. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2603:8000:3E43:4D00:9156:4ABB:5DC4:AF3D (talk) 01:09, 19 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Which church? He is Baptist. Donald Albury 01:28, 19 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Perhaps the editors should start preparing a draft of his Wikipedia article phrased in the past tense? 2600:4040:96F4:8A00:ED90:5578:AA5:B940 (talk) 12:05, 19 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]
It's admittedly morbid and not what anybody wants. But it may be prudent in light of current events. 2600:4040:96F4:8A00:ED90:5578:AA5:B940 (talk) 12:06, 19 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Wikipedia editors have been updating this article quite extensively over the last few days, and it is in very good condition. It will take less than 5 minutes to change tenses in this article when Mr. Carter dies, whether in 10 days or 10 years. We've got lots of experience in doing this, including adding the standard template. It is a bad idea to have multiple versions of an article around, because it is easy to "lose" updates and improvements to the main article. It's a pretty fundamental point that we don't maintain two versions of the same article. Risker (talk) 15:17, 19 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]
I always get off so hard on knowing that, everytime something happens (big or small) that changes a celeb's Wikipedia page, many Wikidorks will be disappointed that *they* didn't get to be the one to do the update. I love the thought of so many pale Wikipedians hovered over their keyboards, praying in vain that *they'll* get to be the "herald-of-death," but they'll fail because another Wikipedian will be faster. This Schadenfreude really gets me revved up. 2601:14F:4400:A020:B0E9:22CC:B02C:9CF3 (talk) 16:13, 19 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]
...Are you okay? Mycranthebigman of Alaska ^_^ 18:27, 19 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]
That is an understatement. I can't wait for "the voices made me do it" and "the clocks keep looking at me". AUSPOLLIE (talk) 20:30, 19 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Carter ran as an outsider

He campaigned as the small town boy from rural Georgia, a simple peanut farmer... compared to well, Gerald Ford, member of Congress for 24 years, member of the Warren Commission etc etc.. AUSPOLLIE (talk) 10:46, 19 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Could you please be more specific as to what you want changed? Would be helpful to know what exactly is being taken issue with in the article. Thanks. Planetberaure (talk) 17:50, 19 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]
I was responding to this - https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Jimmy_Carter&diff=prev&oldid=1140283889 AUSPOLLIE (talk) 18:07, 19 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Fascinating bias

He wrote extensively on Israel and apartheid and its not mentioned once? And when it's mentioned it's downgraded and written as "criticisms"? Makeandtoss (talk) 11:00, 19 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I oppose the Palestinian leadership (much of it, particularly Islamic Jihad and Hamas, desire the expulsion or murder of the Jews (which obviously cannot be achieved with negotiation)) but MY views do not belong in the article and neither do yours. AUSPOLLIE (talk) 11:06, 19 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]
I didn't write anything of my views, you did. I wrote that Carter wrote a book where he criticized Israel's policies as apartheid, and wondered why that was not mentioned in the article, or even given any weight. Carter's views certainly do belong in his own biography. Makeandtoss (talk) 11:26, 19 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]
You'll need to provide secondary sources discussing this to demonstrate WP:DUEWEIGHT. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 20:24, 19 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]
If Carter wrote such a book -- it is a worthy addition (as are any books written by such persons).
The topic of the book -- its thesis -- may be wrong-headed. But that does not mean the book should not be mentioned.
Chesspride216.144.161.51 (talk) 19:13, 5 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]
... it's not mentioned once? And when it's mentioned ... Facepalm Facepalm
See Jimmy Carter#Israel and the Palestinians – Muboshgu (talk) 20:39, 19 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]
I literally created that section myself, from scratch. Keep the facepalm to yourself. Makeandtoss (talk) 12:13, 20 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I love when wikipedia users complain about bias due to the omission of a particular bit of information, as if any distinct piece of information is barred from wikipedia. Find an objective way to describe it and add it. HistorianFromSyracuse (talk) 02:55, 21 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

This! If you think an article is missing key information, add it, or ask someone else to. It's not bias to miss out info, if a person was a member of the Nazi Party for example, the sentence "Name was a German politician" would not be biased; it'd be missing info. If the sentence was something more like "Name was a German politician who served under the Nazi Party, but he was one of the good ones" or something sillier than that example, then yeah, you could state bias, but this point needs to be clear; I've seen this dispute way too often. Omission =/= bias.
~ Mycranthebigman of Alaska ^_^ 19:28, 21 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I clearly stated that it was mentioned and downplayed as “criticisms”, and not mentioned as “apartheid”. Check the version of the article when I wrote this and see for yourselves. Makeandtoss (talk) 08:49, 22 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Stop including bias in your statements. 2600:4040:5365:8E00:A522:4F56:641:FEA6 (talk) 14:11, 1 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

You did not clearly state that. Go back and look at your post. You haven’t clearly formed a question or framed your point, and you did not propose any alternative ways of writing about this topic. You didn’t even make it clear in your post that Carter was comparing the state of the relationship between Israelis and Palestinians to Apartheid, you just said he wrote about them. Nobody can read your mind. It’s not a surprise that people who get upset at the wording of things on Wikipedia can’t communicate. Refer to my last post for advice on using Wikipedia. HistorianFromSyracuse (talk) 05:55, 4 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Capitol portraits

The three African-American Georgians whose portraits Carter had publicly displayed were King, Henry McNeal Turner and Lucy Craft Laney. I have no suggestion as to how that should be incorporated in the article, but now you know. 67.180.143.89 (talk) 20:03, 19 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

 Done Wow (talk) 02:48, 20 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

1943 is the start of his Naval service..

You have him starting his military service in 1946. That is not the truth. He joined the navy in June of 1943 with the US navy class of 1947. 2600:1015:A012:9074:E348:9FF:EFB6:4430 (talk) 06:58, 20 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I found this from the Academy: "Naval Academy students are midshipmen on Active Duty in the U.S. Navy." [2] If that was true at the time, then it indicates 1943 as the start of service. 67.180.143.89 (talk) 00:44, 21 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Carter graduated from the U.S. Naval Academy in 1946. He was a student during World War II, when requirements were accelerated, so he graduated in three years, not four.
Even though students are considered to be members of the military and subject to the Uniform Code of Military Justice, their time at an academy does not count as time in service. Federal time in service begins at commissioning. There was a well-known case at the U.S. Court of Claims where Daniel Noce sued to have his academy time count for time in service. He won in the lower courts, but the U.S. Supreme Court ruled against him.
Based on these facts, Carter's military service began in 1946, as the article states. Billmckern (talk) 02:37, 21 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Not true as a midshipman in the summer of 1944 he spent 6 weeks on a destroyer chasing Nazi subs. Your claim he did this duty as a civilian is idiotic.

And the facts you can cite to prove your assertion are?
Naval Academy students go to sea during their summer academic breaks. It's part of their education. And as I've indicated, service for service academy graduates starts after graduation. Billmckern (talk) 12:49, 4 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Grammatical correction needed

Paragraph 2 Carter was born and raised in Plains, Georgia, graduated from

should be

Carter was born and reared in Plains, Georgia, graduated from

(Peanuts are raised, children are reared.)

Please correct this, as teacher/governor/President/veteran Carter should not be so dishonored by having bad grammar on his wikipage. Thanks 2601:100:8980:78A0:20EC:4269:BD4:3574 (talk) 14:38, 22 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Most people say "raise children" (and use less and few "wrong"). We should go by what our readers say and write, not cling to pedantic over formality. AUSPOLLIE (talk) 14:46, 22 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Semi-protected edit request on 22 February 2023

82.8.163.164 (talk) 21:40, 22 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Jimmy carter is currently the 3rd oldest living person to have served as a state leader.

 Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 01:33, 23 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Semi-protected edit request on 23 February 2023 Jimmy Carter

The photo in the latter part of the article states it is President Carter in Plains in 2008. That is actually a photo of President Joe Biden on the bicycle. 2600:1700:5580:C880:946F:1A67:18C4:B9B4 (talk) 01:28, 23 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

 Not done: That looks to be Carter in 2008. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 01:55, 23 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]
I can see how File:JimmyCarteronBicycle.jpg looks like Joe Biden, but if you zoom in, it's clearly Jimmy Carter. – Muboshgu (talk) 01:56, 23 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]
I made this mistake at first too. It's Carter. Mycranthebigman of Alaska ^_^ 16:02, 23 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Health problems

This article says that Jimmy Carter didn't have any health problems at all until August 2015, when he was 90 (almost 91) years old. Is that true? I find that very hard to believe. Seinfeld429 (talk) 15:42, 25 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

@Seinfeld429: By "health problems" here, the article's talking about serious ones, and, yeah, it doesn't list any before 2015, when he was diagnosed with cancer. It is exceptional, I'd agree (thus the Longevity subsection). Heavy Water (talk) 18:09, 25 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Capitalization of race names

Regarding @AUSPOLLIE: comment in the article history "rm capital letter added by political minded editor (if black is not capitalized, white should not be either": there are contexts where the colors as hues are not capitalized but the color words used to name races are, as in "Zoe Saldaña is a Person of Color who plays a character with blue skin, Neytiri, and a character with green skin, Gamora". In particular, most people including the editor that you reverted probably agree that if it is going to be "White" then it should also be "Black" when describing races.

However, I agree with a statement that you did not make: there are also contexts where the colors are not capitalized regardless, so whether we should use capitals is still worthy of debate. —Quantling (talk | contribs) 14:26, 1 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Wikipedia has some guidance in this area, see MOS:RACECAPS. To wit: "Ethno-racial "color labels" may be given capitalized (Black and White) or lower-case (black and white).[h] The capitalized form will be more appropriate in the company of other upper-case terms of this sort (Asian–Pacific, Black, Hispanic, Native American, Indigenous,[i] and White demographic categories)." Which is to say, we strive for consistency, but either "some Black people and some White people" or "some black people and some white people" are equally as correct. --Jayron32 14:44, 1 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]
In this particular case, of course, "black" was used in the same sentence, and I don't see any of [the] upper-case terms of this sort, so I think this is a non-issue. Heavy Water (talk) 18:54, 2 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]
This issue recently came up at Talk:Malcolm X#Genuine question, so I'm linking to that discussion, which involved the AP Stylebook. – Muboshgu (talk) 19:00, 2 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Modify outline structure to identify "1980 Presidential Campaign" as a major topic

It contains important information of relatively wide interest that is made difficult to find because of the present organization of the article. I came here specifically to find out something about that campaign, and was initially frustrated when I thought it had not been written. The topic outline in the left panel, which should have guided me to the information immediately, shows "1976 Presidential campaign," followed by "Presidency." The last subtopic under that heading is "1980 Presidential campaign." The HTML should be changed so that topic shows up at the same level as the "1976 Presidential campaign." It's a very important topic in its own right, and certainly should not be treated as a subset of "Presidency." InquiringMind42 10:08, 5 March 2023 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by InquiringMind42 (talk • contribs)

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