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Quantity and nature of advertizing banners

Hello, respectfully I wish to complain about the amount of adverts on Wikipedia. Particularly concerning and annoying is the amount of politically-motivated advocacy. Wikipedia is supposed to be neutral. How can the content of the articles be trusted when at the top of each article are displayed advocacy banners, almost always promoting things of a particular world view? Even after I unchecked all these options "Banner types to display" in preferences, I still see certain banners. It is not a good situation. Moribundum (talk) 09:43, 1 March 2023 (UTC)

Could you point out at a specific example (name of the article and rough text of the "advert")? Tigraan^{Click here for my talk page ("private" contact)} 10:17, 1 March 2023 (UTC)

Moribundum Wikipedia does not have paid advertising from outside parties. The Wikimedia Foundation will sometimes communicate events like edit-thons or other events to promote editing Wikipedia by all. While Wikipedia content strives for a neutral point of view, the Foundation certainly does take positions consistent with the idea that all are welcome to edit Wikipedia regardless of race, religion, sexuality, gender, etc. This isn't about politics, it's about editing and building this encyclopedia. I think some banners do override the suppression available in account preferences, but as Tigraan notes we would need to know which message you refer to in order to give more detail.

We don't ask people to blindly trust Wikipedia; we provide the sources so readers can examine and judge the content for themselves. You are free to read everything here and disagree with all of it. You are also free to disagree with the views of the Foundation, as long as you understand that civility and collaboration with all users are fundamental aspects of Wikipedia. 331dot (talk) 10:51, 1 March 2023 (UTC)

I'm sorry, it absolutely is very political and exclusionary. Constant promotion of certain topics. This undoubtedly causes problems with neutrality such as historical revisionism and undue weight. Moribundum (talk) 11:03, 1 March 2023 (UTC)

The Foundation is not involved in day to day operations with regards to the content of the encyclopedia. Only in rare cases, usually involving off wiki things like legal action, do Foundation employees make edits as employees. They don't decide what content is on the encyclopedia, that's up to us volunteer editors. If you have specific concerns about an article, such as reliable sources not being accurately summarized, you should bring that up on the article talk page. 331dot (talk) 11:09, 1 March 2023 (UTC)

What are you talking about? I am asking about the number and content of advocacy banners. Why are there so many, why are they very often of a particular political viewpoint, and why can they not be blocked even when a user makes an account and tries to change their user preferences? Moribundum (talk) 13:11, 1 March 2023 (UTC)

I for one really do not get what you mean by "advocacy banners"; I get not shown any banners, a part from those which pop up from time to time asking for money for the foundation. Lectonar (talk) 13:15, 1 March 2023 (UTC)

Perhaps review your settings in user preferences. Moribundum (talk) 13:21, 1 March 2023 (UTC)

I also can't see them while logged out, sorry. Lectonar (talk) 13:23, 1 March 2023 (UTC)

Congratulations. For some, it is intersectionality theory fun times. Moribundum (talk) 13:26, 1 March 2023 (UTC)

The notifications can be on a variety of topics. As I understand, the article / page that is opened which will display the banner is not relevant. It could be any wikipedia page that is opened. The point is, why am I still seeing them, when I don't want to and stated I did not want to see them in preferences?

I unchecked all the options in preferences (please keep in mind that the majority of wikipedia readers will NOT make accounts and/or will not know/bother to find out how to hide banners, and therefore will be subjected to constant advocacy and other notices). It appears that there are 2 categories of notification banner that are mandatory and cannot be unsubscribed from: "Maintenance" and "Special". None of the banners I have seen would fit under "maintenance"... therefore I can conclude either I have a bug where my preferences are not applied, or regular banners are being approved as "special" category and cannot be hidden (in which case the person/people approving these "special" banners should be alerted that their actions are not appreciated by many users and constitute an opposite philosophy to the supposed neutrality of wikipedia). Thank you for your assistance. Moribundum (talk) 10:52, 1 March 2023 (UTC)

Yes, an account is required to have the ability to disable the banners that can be disabled, because there is no way to know with an IP address if the person sitting at the computer/holding the device at any given moment has seen them. 331dot (talk) 10:56, 1 March 2023 (UTC)

I never see any banners on Wikipedia articles. It sounds to me as though your browser has been hijacked, but it would really help us tie this down if you could you quote a specific example with the actual text of the "advert". Have you tried using a different browser or computer? Shantavira|^{feed me} 11:05, 1 March 2023 (UTC)

If it is a bug, I will report next time I see one. As far as I understand, after deselecting all banners to appear, I should be seeing almost none.

However, I am also raising concerns about the number and nature of these advertising banners for all users, not just ones who made a user account and who know how to change user preferences. Why should they be involuntarily subjected to such advocacy? Moribundum (talk) 13:13, 1 March 2023 (UTC)

It could be an artefact created by using brave browser, which blocks many things it considers as trackers, advertisements, etc. This might prevent user preferences being correctly applied. Moribundum (talk) 13:23, 1 March 2023 (UTC)

Moribundum I don't think I've EVER seen a political banner on Wikipedia, whether I'm logged in or not. I see the occasional appeals for donatins, and invitations to join various Wikipedia projects or events. And I haven't really paid much attention to my User Preferences (don't even know what's there). I suspect that what you're running into isn't from Wikipedia, but something to do with where you get your Internet. Uporządnicki (talk) 14:25, 1 March 2023 (UTC)

"where you get your internet" ? Don't understand sorry. You mean what country I am in? Moribundum (talk) 14:37, 1 March 2023 (UTC)

They mean "which company do you buy your internet service from", some web providers hijack your connection to add extra adverts to the websites you visit, e.g. comcast used to do this if you used their public wifi [1].

Wikipedia has a few things that you might consider "banners":

• Maintenance templates at the top of the article, saying things like "This article needs extra sources" or "this article needs re-writing for neutrality". These are added by editors as both a warning to readers and to as other people to help out.
• Fundraising banners, asking you to donate money to the foundation
• Banners telling you about Wikimedia related events and competitions, e.g. at the moment there's a series of banners asking people to take photos of their local folklaw and upload them to commons.

Some of these banners will be targeted based on where you live (e.g. fundraising banners will say your country name and will have options to donate in your currency), but they are not tied to the content of the articles. None of these banners engage in any kind of advocacy.

This sounds like an issue on your end. Is your computer infested with any kind of Adware or viruses? Do you still get the adverts if you use a different browser? Do they still appear if you log into a different device? 163.1.15.238 (talk) 15:14, 1 March 2023 (UTC)

100% they are wikipedia banners and not 3rd party. The issue is only on wikipedia and no other site, so I think it is not related to service provider. I disabled tracker protection and since then I only saw a few banners on wikipedia, one encouraging me to edit about climate change in Africa (should be classed as advocacy and not show with my user preferences), and the other a site maintenance banner.

Regarding whoever is responsible for authorizing these banners, this "spam" is excessive, unappreciated and politically biased. Such advocacy should appear only on an opt-in basis (perhaps newsletters or notices sent to users' talk pages), rather than by default opt-out and appearing randomly on any page visited. I believe that I am speaking here for a silent majority of wikipedia users who do not want to be bothered by any banners, by default. Moribundum (talk) 17:34, 1 March 2023 (UTC)

I feel like you might want to head over to Meta-Wiki or contact the Wikimedia headquarters if you have such an issue. I will admit it gets a bit annoying as I cross wikis a lot so I see the banners a lot. If you could give us a link to whatever it is advocating then we might be able to help you more. ✶Mitch199811✶ 01:24, 2 March 2023 (UTC)

@Moribundum I have also never seen any banners like that; certainly never a banner asking me to edit about a specific topic (like climate change in Africa). As a computer programmer, I have to agree that it sounds like your computer or browser is infected with something. And a screenshot would be very helpful, as Tigraan mentions below. David10244 (talk) 08:39, 2 March 2023 (UTC)

They were wikipedia banners. Stop pinging me please. Moribundum (talk) 09:02, 2 March 2023 (UTC)

As others have said, we can't provide you with much more help without a screenshot of an offending banner. 331dot (talk) 09:04, 2 March 2023 (UTC)

The continued lack of examples of this alleged "politically-motivated advocacy" is very frustrating but I suppose some of meta:CentralNotice/Calendar could be seen like that by some people, and Moribundum may have seen something from meta:Code for Africa Climate Change Project. Many banners are gelocated so you only see them in certain regions. PrimeHunter (talk) 12:42, 2 March 2023 (UTC)

I've had a banner for "Africa Environment WikiFocus" recently, but I don't recall it saying anything about climate change. ⁓ Pelagic ( messages ) 05:32, 4 March 2023 (UTC)

One was writing the climate articles of African countries, iirc. ✶Mitch199811✶ 14:26, 4 March 2023 (UTC)

• @Moribundum: I (and Shantavira) asked for the text of the advert for a reason, but now I am going to ask for a screenshot. Again, one (1) example is enough, no need to get into statistics of which page shows what with which probability. Quoting this very famous essay about reporting bugs: the aim of a bug report is to enable the programmer to see the program failing in front of them. You can either show them in person, or give them careful and detailed instructions on how to make it fail.

What you are complaining about could be a site-wide notification banner, a Wikiproject banner, a talk page message, a featured article on the main page, or something else entirely. Maybe it’s clear in your head which it is, but it isn’t from the perspective of whoever is reading you. Tigraan^{Click here for my talk page ("private" contact)} 15:39, 1 March 2023 (UTC)

MILHIST should run a promotion to displace the disturbing banners about women's biography, African environment, plant photography, and folklore. Poisoning the minds of our wholesome youth with such disturbing worldviews. What is the world coming to? Run by a bunch of namby-pamby artsy-fartsy plonkers and elites! Sad.™ If March can be Wimmin's Month, April should be Weapons Month. (Ok, jokes aside, I have noticed a larger-than-usual variety of bannners lately. Just click the [x].) ⁓ Pelagic ( messages ) 06:03, 4 March 2023 (UTC)

@Moribundum:: Are you talking about Wikipedia:Userboxes? Those are often banners on people's user pages that they can use to describe themselves (what languages they speak, what topics they are into, and what political opinions they agree with). Alternatively, are you talking about the banners on a talk page for different Wikipedia:WikiProjects (like Talk:Vladimir the Great)? WikiProjects are not politically motivated (or shouldn't be), though the project participants might have certain political leanings. Just trying to help bridge the gap here and figure out what kinds of banners we are talking about. Bkissin (talk) 18:16, 3 March 2023 (UTC)

Based on their earlier comment about climate change in Africa, I think it's safe to say it's the CentralNotices they're talking about. ■ ∃ Madeline ⇔ ∃ Part of me ; 19:45, 3 March 2023 (UTC)

COULD THIS BE IT???

Just now, at the top of the Teahouse page (i.e., this very page!), I've seen a box with some suggestions of party decorations along the top margin, and a sketch of a generalized woman at the left end. There was text in the box. I couldn't select the text to copy/paste it, so I copied it all out by hand (with a pen! in cursive! I'm old!), and here I type from my cursive:

Join us to Celebrate Women!
Help close the knowledge gap on Wikipedia this March: check here and see what you can do.

I wonder if this is an example what's troubling this user so. So what I see here is a general invitation to take part in a Wikipedia project--arguably, one to improve Wikipedia. Those banners had slipped my mind; I guess I don't see them very often. Or, maybe I've had so many appear in front of me, that I just look right past them now. Uporządnicki (talk) 20:31, 3 March 2023 (UTC)

Refreshing WP:WANTED

Hello;

I was looking to see which redlinks on the English Wikipedia are most common (i.e. the most-wanted pages on the site), but it seems that the most recent dump in WP:WANTED is several years old.

How might I go about finding statistics for the most-used redlinks in article space (possibly also ignoring templates and similar)?

DeemDeem52 (talk) 19:54, 2 March 2023 (UTC)

@DeemDeem52: Check out Special:WantedPages, I think it has what you are looking for. RudolfRed (talk) 20:12, 2 March 2023 (UTC)

It looks like Wikipedia:WikiProject_Missing_encyclopedic_articles also has some lists, but I am not sure how current that is. RudolfRed (talk) 20:15, 2 March 2023 (UTC)

@RudolfRed: Thanks for your suggestion, but it seems like that particular page isn't very well filtered. Does there exist a way to see the pages in article space with the most redlinks to them from other pages in article space? — Preceding unsigned comment added by DeemDeem52 (talk • contribs) 20:21, 2 March 2023 (UTC)

Not a solution to the sorting, but have added a hat note to WP:WANTED. It probably can be incorporated better. Slywriter (talk) 20:26, 2 March 2023 (UTC)

@DeemDeem52:, User:Certes responded to this with a db query resulting in a long table with many results. Here are just a handful of them off the top of the list (limited to articles starting with 'A' or a digit, because the full query is too large):

Count of number of articles having a given red link (limited to '[A,0-9]' in first char.)

Article Count Andesite_Mountain_Bushveld 1513 1959_United_States_elections 1231 Association_of_Diving_Contractors_International 1225 1955_United_States_elections 1183 2022_San_Bernardino_mayoral_election 1179 1957_United_States_elections 1173 1939_United_States_elections 1170 1953_United_States_elections 1167 1933_United_States_elections 1159 1951_United_States_elections 1158 (skipping lots more rows with US elections articles) Ayanambakkam 930 Agaramthen 930 Alamathi 930 Ayathur 930 Avurikollaimedu 929 Arakkambakkam 929 Attanthangal 929 Angadu 929 Aranvoyal 929 Athivakkam 929 Adayalampattu 929 Aathur,_Chennai 929 Anuppampattu 929 Andankuppam 929 Arumandhai 929 Azhinjivakkam 928 Athipet 928 1236_in_Ireland 818 1400_in_Ireland 818 1429_in_Ireland 818 1498_in_Ireland 818 1325_in_Ireland 817 1370_in_Ireland 817 1289_in_Ireland 817 1312_in_Ireland 817       (and so on...)

Further details can be found here (hundreds of rows). Note that the fact that some links (such as #1) are linked from one or two widely used templates rather than directly in articles may skew the results, if you're thinking about red links that are directly in the source of an article itself rather than imported via a template. Mathglot (talk) 23:54, 4 March 2023 (UTC)

Thank you! This is pretty close to what I'm looking for (although admittedly it is true that the template uses do skew the results somewhat). DeemDeem52 (talk) 00:10, 6 March 2023 (UTC)

Question

Does the reply feature in talk pages notify the user that your reply too? Iamreallygoodatcheckers ^talk 21:18, 2 March 2023 (UTC)

There's nothing special about the reply tool in this regard. Since recently there is the option to subscribe to a thread, in which case they will be notified. Otherwise there's ping, or just waiting for them to see the edit on their watchlist. ■ ∃ Madeline ⇔ ∃ Part of me ; 21:26, 2 March 2023 (UTC)

See Template:Reply to for several ways to 'ping' one or more users. David notMD (talk) 21:52, 2 March 2023 (UTC)

@Iamreallygoodatcheckers Using the reply tool shows some icons above the text-entry box. If you select the last icon, a person with a "plus", or if you type an @ you'll get a "find user" dialog. The resulting markup will start with an @ sign, which will notify the user you selected from the dialog box, which might be the person you are replying to. The link that David notMD gave has more details. David10244 (talk) 07:49, 4 March 2023 (UTC)

Finding Wikipedia article's short description

I saw a short description yesterday that had the word "warrior" erroneously replaced with "warrier". Is there a way an editor can find and correct that? GoutComplex (talk) 21:55, 2 March 2023 (UTC)

@GoutComplex, welcome to the Teahouse. Possibly. Would you be so kind as to link the page here? Silikonz💬 22:12, 2 March 2023 (UTC)

I think the problem is that they don't remember which article it was. Unfortunately, searching insource:warrier (which looks for words within templates, like {{Short description}}) returns 1,431 results. 199.208.172.35 (talk) 22:22, 2 March 2023 (UTC)

It seems likely to be Hagakure with {{Short description|Warrier guide by Yamamoto Tsunetomo}}. The other hits I could find are properly spelled that way.

To answer @GoutComplex, you can either edit the template at/near the top of the source that looks like the one above or turn on "Shortdesc helper" at your preferences to make it a bit simpler if you intend to make many changes to pages that are just updating the short description. Skynxnex (talk) 22:26, 2 March 2023 (UTC)

Thanks for the help. That was it. I knew it had to do with something I edited yesterday. GoutComplex (talk) 22:30, 2 March 2023 (UTC)

Next time you don't remember which page you were looking at, try checking your browser history. DS (talk) 02:32, 5 March 2023 (UTC)

Citations: indicating misspellings and information sources

Using VisualEditor how can I indicate a cited source has a misspelling and that its specific date (or other information) is from elsewhere, eg, a different language edition published at the same time? Mcljlm (talk) 01:57, 3 March 2023 (UTC)

Hi @Mcljlm! If I understand correctly, there's an error in the otherwise-good source, and you're looking to make sure editors don't take the error from the source and put it into the article. Is that right?

I would do that in the form of a hidden comment, which will be visible to anyone editing. The markup for that is <!--comment-->. Cheers, {{u|Sdkb}} ^talk 03:41, 3 March 2023 (UTC)

In the case which prompted my question the source title has preparatio while it's clear from quotes in the source's text that should be preparation. I'd like to include a visible indication that the error is in the source.

In addition I'd like to indicate the publication date is missing though obvious from elsewhere. Mcljlm (talk) 16:15, 3 March 2023 (UTC)

If the automatically generated citation does not include the publication date, you can just add it manually by switching over to the "manual" tab in the VisualEditor or adding e.g. |date=2023-3-3 in the source editor. Cheers, {{u|Sdkb}} ^talk 16:25, 3 March 2023 (UTC)

@Mcljlm Isn't placing [sic] (with square brackets) after the erroneous word the usual way to indicate "error in original"? David10244 (talk) 07:53, 4 March 2023 (UTC)

We also have a template {{sic}} that generates a [sic] annotation. However note that the Manual of Style says However, insignificant spelling and typographic errors should simply be silently corrected. CodeTalker (talk) 08:03, 4 March 2023 (UTC)

Adding [n] or [sic] to preparatio results in them appearing in same mauve as the rest of the title. Is it possible for my addition to be in black so that someone searching for the document in a library catalogue or elsewhere will know how it may appear?

When entering the citation details I added the exact date in square brackets - [22] November 2021 - but when I checked to see how the citation would look it included{{cite web}}: Check date values in: |date= (help)" so I deleted them and currently (22 November 2021) appears following the author. Can I do anything so that ([22] November 2021) appears? Mcljlm (talk) 19:23, 4 March 2023 (UTC)

Can we have a tea party?

Pretty please? 174.198.137.117 (talk) 16:45, 3 March 2023 (UTC)

• Sips tea slowly.

Ionic Ludicrous (=ˆUwUˆ=) 17:12, 3 March 2023 (UTC)

@Ionic Ludicrous, do you have a question about Wikipedia? 199.208.172.35 (talk) 17:15, 3 March 2023 (UTC)

no. Ionic Ludicrous (=ˆUwUˆ=) 13:38, 5 March 2023 (UTC)

You are pinging the wrong person. @199.208.172.35 -Lemonaka‎ 13:39, 5 March 2023 (UTC)

Jayron32 has asked you to join them for a nice cup of tea and sit down here.

Well, we can have one virtually, I suppose. Not nearly as tasty as the real thing, I must add. Is there a specific question you have about Wikipedia I can answer, now that we're having this lovely cup of virtual tea?

@174.198.137.117 Hello, welcome to the teahouse. Teahouse is a place for asking questions about editing Wikipedia, do you have any question that I can help you? -Lemonaka‎ 17:48, 3 March 2023 (UTC)

Oh yes, let’s have a tea party since having tea is really good for taste and looks very rich in flavor! That can be served with a biscuit as a side for snack on noon. —2600:1010:B186:4AFE:3455:118A:A8E1:D711 (talk) 07:57, 6 March 2023 (UTC)

Delete draft from the sandbox

Hi, I made a draft in my sandbox and sent it for review. Once it was reviewed I realized that I should have made the changes in the actual article (instead of in my sandbox)...

I want to use my sandbox for a new draft but there is still the previous notification (made for the article mentioned above), how can I start with my blank sandbox?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Idividual1967/sandbox

Thank you so much! BR Idividual1967 (talk) 16:53, 3 March 2023 (UTC)

@Idividual1967: Thanks for stopping by to ask this question. You don't have to do anything except edit the sandbox and erase all of the text there. You can request that an administrator delete your sandbox by tagging the page with {{db-U1}} (db tags are used to request deletion per the speedy deletion process and U1 is the rule that allows user to delete anything in their own userspace). However, deleting it is not necessary, you can just edit it and erase all of the text. --Jayron32 16:59, 3 March 2023 (UTC)

Thank you so much for the reply. :)

I already deleted the draft I wrote from my sandbox but I couldn't delete a review template with comments on the draft I deleted.

So, I think I'll add the db-U1 tag.

Or should I just start typing? I don't know if I could confuse the information if the tag is still there.

Thanks again! Idividual1967 (talk) 12:03, 5 March 2023 (UTC)

Published my first Article

I wrote an Article about Francisco Lugo-Viña Molina, https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Francisco_Lugo-Vi%C3%B1a_Molina after help with editing and researching i finally submitted it for review. I think that its ready as for me looks good enough, but what do you think? :) Ayyyple2 (talk) 21:10, 3 March 2023 (UTC)

@Ayyyple2 References 5, 7 and 8 are from blogs, which are generally not reliable. You should try to find better sources. The reviewer will give more advice if they don't accept Draft:Francisco Lugo-Viña Molina. The review might be expedited if you could find some English-language sources and that would also help our readers. Mike Turnbull (talk) 21:41, 3 March 2023 (UTC)

Sadly there arent much english Sources, as he was spanish and most biographies were spanish of him. However there possibly could be some for his brother, Estanislao. He served Luis De Borbon and his family and can be seen in a painting. But i dont think it would be helpful Ayyyple2 (talk) 00:03, 4 March 2023 (UTC)

Ayyyple2, there is no prohibition on using sources in languages other than English, although English language sources are preferred if readily available. But for a relatively obscure Spanish topic, Spanish language sources are perfectly acceptable, as long as the sources are reliable, and cited with complete bibliographic detail. Cullen328 (talk) 05:40, 4 March 2023 (UTC)

I would want to remove the blogspot sources but how do i do it? Theyre not in the source section Ayyyple2 (talk) 09:39, 4 March 2023 (UTC)

Hello, Ayyyple2, and welcome to the Teahouse. Citations are not normally in the sources section, but in the text at the point where they are used (where the raised number appears): see WP:REFB. If you are removing unreliable sources, then you should probably remove the information that they support, unless there are also reliable sources cited. ColinFine (talk) 09:59, 4 March 2023 (UTC)

Alright, thank you :) ill try to find the blogspot ones, though they share information but okay Ayyyple2 (talk) 17:13, 4 March 2023 (UTC)

Publish my company

FYI

 – Added section header. GoingBatty (talk) 02:06, 4 March 2023 (UTC)

I need publish my company into Wikipedia is someone help me with that ? thanks 🙏 2001:8F8:1D67:9448:B1B6:576:26D7:A300 (talk) 00:03, 4 March 2023 (UTC)

Hi there! Creating a new Wikipedia article can be challenging, especially when you have a conflict of interest (COI) and do not have a lot of experience editing existing Wikipedia articles. To learn how to edit, I suggest you start at Help:Introduction. I suggest spending a significant amount of time editing existing articles to hone your skills. When you're ready to create an article, you would gather multiple published independent reliable sources that have provided significant coverage of the company, and determine whether they demonstrate that you meet Wikipedia's criteria for inclusion, called "notability". If so, you could create an account and declare your COI on your user page. Then follow the instructions at Help:Your first article, and be prepared for a process that may include months of waiting for review, rejections, and rewrites, before an article may be created. If you are successful, then you could never edit the article directly due to your COI, but could submit edit requests on the article talk page. Hope this helps. GoingBatty (talk) 02:16, 4 March 2023 (UTC)

Teahouse hosts are here to advise, not be authors or co-authors. The gist of GoingBatty's response is that is is really, really, really hard to succeed in creating a valid article about a company one works for or owns, especially for a person with no experience. I'm guessing 98% attempts fail. David notMD (talk) 03:10, 4 March 2023 (UTC)

My estimate of the failure rate would be 99%+, especially when the editor in question shows no sign of being able to write coherent and persuasive English language prose. I suggest that the IP consider contributing to the Wikipedia version in their first language. Cullen328 (talk) 04:42, 4 March 2023 (UTC)

IP editor, you don't "publish a company into Wikipedia". Instead, Wikipedia has articles about notable subjects, including people, plants, animals, concepts, and companies. I hope you understand what that means, because as Cullen328 says, it sounds like you are not extremely fluent in English. Sorry to be discouraging. David10244 (talk) 08:12, 4 March 2023 (UTC)

Infobox italics

Been running into an italics issue on The Smile (Live at Montreux Jazz Festival, July 2022). The page needs {{italic title}} because of the parenthetical, but that conflicts with {{infobox album}}'s auto-italicizing so that needs suppressed. But that means the title on the infobox isn't italicized, and we can't fix that with ''s because then it doubles the italics in the chronology. Surely there must be a solution to this that we're missing. QuietHere (talk) 01:03, 4 March 2023 (UTC)

@QuietHere: Welcome to the Teahouse! I read Template:Infobox album and thought |italic_title=force would fix the issue, but that doesn't seem to work. GoingBatty (talk) 02:06, 4 March 2023 (UTC)

@QuietHere: {{infobox album}} doesn't appear to offer a solution. I have used <i>...</i> to make italics on the name parameter.[2] This currently works without unwanted side effects as far as I can tell. PrimeHunter (talk) 04:01, 4 March 2023 (UTC)

@PrimeHunter That works! Thanks! QuietHere (talk) 13:00, 4 March 2023 (UTC)

Status of actress

The actress Cansu Dere was found dead, source:https://pkbnews.in/cansu-dere-fallece/ Nothing is official for now, but she is still missing since the EEarthquake of Turkey and Syria 201.188.147.43 (talk) 03:47, 4 March 2023 (UTC)

Welcome to the Teahouse! If a reliable source confirms her death, please provide the source at Talk:Cansu Dere. Thanks! GoingBatty (talk) 04:25, 4 March 2023 (UTC)

Nothing is official for now means that the claim of death should not be included on Wikipedia until it is "official" which means verifiable in this case. A poorly referenced claim of death is a severe policy violation. Cullen328 (talk) 04:33, 4 March 2023 (UTC)

I looked at that link. The headline says she was found dead; that's the last thing I'd believe. I've seen too many online headlines where the writer clearly didn't know what the article said. As for the article, it more or less starts by asking--is she dead. Then it's one of those "articles" where you have to scroll (or click) through 10 thousand other things before you get to the point (or before you find out that the article never gets to the point). In fact, this one is more blatant than most; it actually says that you HAVE TO scroll through all the following sections before you find out if she's dead or not. I didn't and I'm not going to; my guess is that if I do, it'll express the hope that we'll find out some day if she's dead or not (but that's just my guess). I've never heard of PKB News, and I have no idea what its journalistic creds might be. But this link is clickbait. I would not want reports of my own death to be greatly exaggerated by clickbait. Uporządnicki (talk) 14:07, 4 March 2023 (UTC)

Formatting a sports current squad table

https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Northern_Ireland_women%27s_national_under-17_football_team

I was trying to add lines in between groups of positions, so the table would be separated by player position. The whole table got messed up. I'm wondering what's the fastest way to fix this. The references and categories are appearing inside the table rather than at the bottom of the page. I left the categories deleted, and I'm unable to add a reference header. Helpfulwikieditoryay (talk) 07:18, 4 March 2023 (UTC)

Please check a translation

article Guayaquil, section “Name”, which I have translated from the Spanish. There is a picture that is way out of place and I don’t know how to fix it. deisenbe (talk) 10:12, 4 March 2023 (UTC)

User:Deisenbe has added a name section and an image of the apostle Santigo. The image information is at the beginning of the section, but the image location is much farther down in the article. Other than that, the Lead is much too short for an article with this much information, the Food, Sports and Religion sections have no references, and the City Sectors table in my opinion adds nothing useful to a reader and could be removed. David notMD (talk) 12:02, 4 March 2023 (UTC)

Wikimedia

Hi, can some please guide me to the Wikimedia commons questions page. Thank you (Please tag me when you reply)456legend(talk) 13:27, 4 March 2023 (UTC) 456legend(talk) 13:27, 4 March 2023 (UTC)

@456legend You might be looking for wp:FAQ. ✶Mitch199811✶ 14:30, 4 March 2023 (UTC)

@456legend: Or commons:Commons:Help desk if you mean where to ask questions about Wikimedia Commons. PrimeHunter (talk) 14:37, 4 March 2023 (UTC).

Oh yes thank you, I was looking for this. 456legend(talk) 15:28, 4 March 2023 (UTC)

Difference in state highway number

This state highway has been mentioned as 126 in Dainik Bhaskar newspapers. -- Karsan Chanda (talk) 13:43, 4 March 2023 (UTC)

OK. What has this to do with assistance with using or editing Wikipedia? ColinFine (talk) 15:09, 4 March 2023 (UTC)

Good practices to use persistent Identifiers (DOI) in an article about software

Hello Teahouse,

I wonder if there are already good practices within Wikipedia on how to include external persistent identifiers (PID) in an article. For a growing number of open source software projects (which already have their respective Wikipedia articles) are Persistent Identifierts (PID), mostly Digital Object Identifiers (DOI) available. GRASS GIS (GRASS GIS) is a good example. GRASS GIS software releases are long term preserved in the Open Access Repository Zenodo. This results in a concept DOI for the overall project ([3]https://doi.org/10.5281/zenodo.6823283) (and version DOI to cite individual software releases). DOI have become best practice to scientifically reference and cite scientific resources, which might be useful information for the readers of such Wikipedia articles. There are already 19 geospatial open source software projects which have minted DOI ([4]https://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/DOI#DOI_for_OSGeo_Projects).

Any advice / hint would be much appreciated. PIXEL2021 (talk) 14:35, 4 March 2023 (UTC)

@PIXEL2021, typically you can pass them in as a parameter to citation templates, such as <ref>{{cite web | url=https://zenodo.org/record/6823283 | doi=10.5281/zenodo.6823283 | year=2022 | title=OSGeo/Grass: GRASS GIS 7.8.8RC2 }}</ref> producing
— Qwerfjkltalk 15:26, 4 March 2023 (UTC)

Qwerfjkl, thank you for your feedback. There are also at least two templates Template:Doi and Template:Doi-inline. Would it be acceptable to include such a reference to the DOI also in the short description / infobox software ? PIXEL2021 (talk) 16:15, 4 March 2023 (UTC)

@PIXEL2021 Another possibility to convert doi into usable citations for articles is to use the WP:Citation expander (see link for details). This creates journal citations directly from doi and in the case you quote can even automatically generate the list of contributing authors. For the articles I contribute to on scientific subjects, I always use doi -> full citation using the tool. Mike Turnbull (talk) 13:40, 5 March 2023 (UTC)

@Michael D. Turnbull: Thanks, that's a great benefit of having DOI for digital objectcs! PIXEL2021 (talk) 15:07, 5 March 2023 (UTC)

References

Evidence

Evidence for the Harvard business school alumni page. (Category:Harvard Business School alumni)How do I find the data source on this page. Is there one or can anybody by editing insert their name as an alumni ? I cannot find an open source for HBS alumni.Spgough (talk) 14:57, 4 March 2023 (UTC)

Evidence for bona fide HBS alumni Spgough (talk) 14:57, 4 March 2023 (UTC)

Spgough Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. Please place your edit in the larger edit window, not the smaller section header/edit summary window.

The page you speak of is called a Category, which groups together articles of the named topic area. It is not normally edited itself, articles are added to the category by editing relevant articles. There needs to be an article about the person you want in the category- and that can only happen if they meet the notability criteria. 331dot (talk) 15:13, 4 March 2023 (UTC)

Hello, Spgough, and welcome to the Teahouse. The page you have linked to is a category, a way of classifying encyclopaedia articles - in this case, articles about HBS alumni. People cannot be added to it, only articles can.

Wikipedia consists of neutrally written articles about notable people (and other notable subjects, of course) - notable in Wikipedia's special sense. Not every - not even all Harvard alumni - meet those criteria, which is not so much about who they are or what they have done, as about what has been published about them.

If you have a person in mind, you are welcome to read the above link on notability, and if you can find the necessary sources, try to create an article: see your first article. If the person is you, you are strongly discouraged from writing it: see autobiography. ColinFine (talk) 15:15, 4 March 2023 (UTC)

If you're wondering what the source is for the fact that each person is an HBS alumnus, you'll have to read each article individually to find the source. ■ ∃ Madeline ⇔ ∃ Part of me ; 23:19, 4 March 2023 (UTC)

Adding a reference to an article

I am Kenneth L. Casey and I wish to add a reference to the book I published in the article about me (Kenneth L. Casey). The reference is: Casey, KL. Chasing Pain: The Search for a Neurobiological Mechanism. New York, USA: Oxford University Press (2019). p. 173 doi.org/10.1093/med/9780190880231.001.0001 I have been advised to request this on the talk page for Kenneth L. Casey, which I have done but there has been no response. Please advise. Thank you. Klc2775 (talk) 17:05, 4 March 2023 (UTC)

By posting at the Teahouse you will probably get a quick response, as you have just done. In the future please use the WP:Edit request system which will bring more attention and a faster response. Sungodtemple (talk • contribs) 17:22, 4 March 2023 (UTC)

@Klc2775: You may also wish to try the Wikipedia:Edit Request Wizard. GoingBatty (talk) 00:13, 5 March 2023 (UTC)

I've added the book to the article. StarryGrandma (talk) 03:18, 5 March 2023 (UTC)

Rejected for unreliable references

Hello! I recently submitted my very first Wiki entry for Challenged Sailors San Diego. Unfortunately, it was rejected because "This submission is not adequately supported by reliable sources." I thought I included 4 outside reliable and veriable sources in the Reference section. Challenged Sailors San Diego is a nonprofit giving people with disabilities the chance to sail. Thanks in advance for any advice on what I'm doing wrong with the References I used. SammyGWiki (talk) 17:51, 4 March 2023 (UTC)

@SammyGWiki, welcome to the Teahouse. It was actually rejected for not having proper references. That has been fixed. While the sources are reliable, they must also be in-depth AND independent of the organization as well. See WP:42. Announcements picked up by a local newspaper may not suffice, nor interviews with people involved. Your best source could be the Robie Pierce Award, but the page you link to only gives the organization's name. A better source would be the award announcement itself reported at here. StarryGrandma (talk) 23:12, 4 March 2023 (UTC)

Help with translating news article

Hello, I'm not sure if this is a good place to ask this, but could someone who speaks Spanish translate the news article listed at [5] to help me in writing Fred Narganes? I'd greatly appreciate it. BeanieFan11 (talk) 19:23, 4 March 2023 (UTC)

I was able to find a tool that was able to do this, so I'm good now. BeanieFan11 (talk) 21:20, 4 March 2023 (UTC)

I'd like to contribute to the article space wrt gerrymandering in the united states.

I have been doing a lot of research on this topic for a personal project, but this means I have a lot of knowledge/access to high quality sources about the topic. Are there any parts of the articles on this topic that need improvement? A Tree In A Box (talk) 19:42, 4 March 2023 (UTC)

Do i ask someone on the Politics portal? I don't want to waste people's time. A Tree In A Box (talk) 19:45, 4 March 2023 (UTC)

Hello, A Tree in a Box, and welcome to the Teahouse. Thank you for wanting to contribute to Wikipedia.

If you can see improvements you could make in articles, you are welcome to be BOLD and make them: there's no requirement that you discuss them first.

But of course you are welcome to discuss. If it is about a particular article (such as Gerrymandering in the United States), then the article's talk page is a good place to open the discussion; but you can also do so at a WikiProject.

I shouldn't worry about "wasting people's time" - as long as you are in good faith to improve Wikipedia, most editors will be willing to engage with you, and if they are not they can just ignore your discussion.

It may be helpful to look at the advice for expert editors. Note that articles should summarize what the reliable sources say, but should never advance an argument or present a conclusion (they can report an argument or conclusion from a source); and if the sources disagree, it should summarize all of them (giving them due WEIGHT), but not attempt to resolve the differences. ColinFine (talk) 21:39, 4 March 2023 (UTC)

edit personal information like email

I confirm the wrong email address by mistake. How do I change to the right one. thank you margaret Mdavis9599 (talk) 20:07, 4 March 2023 (UTC)

Mdavis9599 Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. You may change your email address in your account preferences; click the icon that looks like a person in the top right corner, which will drop down a menu and click "Preferences". 331dot (talk) 20:10, 4 March 2023 (UTC)

Arrgh, too many empty edit summaries!

When patrolling new edits, I find many edits:

1. by unregistered editors,
2. with no corresponding edit summary, and,
3. nothing suspicious from a reasonable glance at the wikitext (which is sometimes very hard to decipher).

I'm inclined to revert these edits, adding an "unexplained edit" summary. I surmise that serious editors will resubmit their edit to Wikipedia with an edit summary, and will continue to do so in future. Much rejoicing!

One of the (several) problems with this approach is the risk of reverting good edits, to the chagrin of other editors who may wonder why.

Now, I'm not going to analyse all incoming unexplained edits that come my way, to see whether they might be ok. Too many, too tedious. Should I just leave unexplained edits for other editors with more time and patience? Quit vandalism patrol? Any thoughts? Thanks. -- Doktor Züm (talk) 20:19, 4 March 2023 (UTC)

Doktor Züm Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. The short answer is, you shouldn't revert edits merely because they lack an edit summary, as there is not a requirement to do so. WP:ES strongly advises it, but it's not required. You can certainly communicate to the editor that an edit summary is a good idea. 331dot (talk) 20:23, 4 March 2023 (UTC)

@331dot, I take your point. But there's a flood of these unexplained edits. Too many to address on a case-by-case basis without letting many other potentially bad edits through the net.

WP:ES says Summaries help other editors by [...] saving the time to open up the edit to find out what it's all about.

By making edit summaries optional, Wikipedia is... (something, I'm too tired to think). -- Doktor Züm (talk) 20:42, 4 March 2023 (UTC)

Doktor Züm Having more than what you can deal with is the nature of the beast, so to speak. We all do what we have time to do. Proposals to require edit summaries have been discussed before and the consensus seems to be that it would annoy people more than it would be helpful, it wouldn't guarantee an accurate edit summary(someone could just put "x" to pass the requirement), and a lack of edit summaries is(as you already know) sometimes an indicator of vandalism. 331dot (talk) 20:49, 4 March 2023 (UTC)

@331dot, thanks for that link.

"Edit summaries may annoy them enough they will not save their (possibly constructive) edits." I actually laughed aloud. Also, I think I'm smart enough to spot 'x' or some other generalisation as potential vandalism, worth a deeper look.

Anyway, thanks for your feedback. I'll leave patrolling for others. -- Doktor Züm (talk) 21:04, 4 March 2023 (UTC)

Certainly you may do as you wish; I wasn't trying to discourage you from patrolling, just know your limitations in terms of time and that you can't do it all and no one expects you to do it all. 331dot (talk) 21:06, 4 March 2023 (UTC)

Lists can they be downloaded as spreadsheets?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Miscarriage_of_justice Jmwhite850 (talk) 20:46, 4 March 2023 (UTC)

I'm not sure why you have linked to Miscarriage of justice, which doesn't contain any lists.

There may be some tool that will do this, but I rather doubt it. You might find something useful at WP:Database download. ColinFine (talk) 21:43, 4 March 2023 (UTC)

Glitch

Hello. I have been here for a while, and have reached extended confirmed. However, for some reason, I am currently unable to create articles, including my own user page. FYI, I am a mobile user who is quite busy at times so please ping me with a response. QuicoleJR (talk) 21:22, 4 March 2023 (UTC)

QuicoleJR Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. Do you get an error message or any sort of message when this happens? I see no block or other restriction on your account that would prevent you from creating articles or your user page. Have you tried doing it in desktop mode(even on your device in a browser)? 331dot (talk) 21:27, 4 March 2023 (UTC)

@331dot: I do not see an error message, however, when I try to create my user page, I am stuck in an infinite loading screen. Also, when I type something into the search bar that does not have an article, I am not shown a link to create the article. I have not tried Desktop mode yet, will get back to you on that one. QuicoleJR (talk) 21:35, 4 March 2023 (UTC)

As you can see, Desktop mode worked. QuicoleJR (talk) 21:39, 4 March 2023 (UTC)

Hello, QuicoleJR. I edit using a smartphone, and I highly recommend use of the fully functional desktop site on mobile devices. You can find it by scrolling to the bottom of any page. Cullen328 (talk) 21:45, 4 March 2023 (UTC)

I am not getting a detail about a author

I am not getting details about a author .His name is Abik Dey Abik Dey (talk) 21:37, 4 March 2023 (UTC)

Do you have a question? Is it your intention to attempt to create a draft about yourself? David notMD (talk) 21:43, 4 March 2023 (UTC)

Hello, Abik Dey. I'm guessing that what you mean is that you can't find an encyclopaedia article about Abik Dey in English Wikipedia. The reason for this is generally that nobody has written one - Wikipedia is created by volunteers that choose what they want to work on.

There is often another reason why an article does not exist on a particular subject: Wikipedia has certain requirements on the subject which are referred to as notability: most authors (like most people) do not meet these criteria, and no article on them is possible. ColinFine (talk) 21:54, 4 March 2023 (UTC)

Abik Dey A different possible problem here is that you have chosen as your User name that of a person you hope to see or create an article about. Wikipedia does no allow this. If this is so, I recommend you abandon this account and start a new one with a different User name. David notMD (talk) 03:15, 5 March 2023 (UTC)

@Abik Dey Why did you choose "Abik Dey" as your username? Is that your name? David10244 (talk) 06:08, 6 March 2023 (UTC)

Trouble with "ref" stuff!

Help! I really want to be a well rounded editor. I was adding to 2023 Ohio train derailment. I was just having trouble citing a source, and quoting an article about Giant Eagle within that article. I'd love to know how to fix what I messed up! Thanks. C2 J45driver16 (talk) 22:40, 4 March 2023 (UTC)

@C2 J45driver16, welcome to the Teahouse. You had included the text within reference tags, making it visible only in the Reference section. I've removed the tags. The reference for the material is still there at the end of the paragraph. StarryGrandma (talk) 22:58, 4 March 2023 (UTC)

Inline citation AND Reference?

I am working on this

https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Draft:Hillyer_Rudisill_III&action=edit&section=1

and created links to Wikipedia and outside references where needed. Do I ALSO need to put numbers and have references to these same links that show up at the bottom of the article? Rudimyers (talk) 23:15, 4 March 2023 (UTC)

Hi @Rudimyers, an welcome to the Teahouse. External links such as you have used in the draft are not allowed in the article text because link locations change. Replace all of those with properly formatted references, and the numbered references will appear automatically in the reference section. The simplest way is

• <ref>Author, Title, Web address if there is one, Publisher, Date, Pages</ref>.
• With Visual Editor use Cite->Manual->Basic form, and the editor will add the <ref></ref> part for you. For other ways see Help:Referencing for beginners and the reference sections at Help:Introduction.

StarryGrandma (talk) 23:34, 4 March 2023 (UTC)

@Rudimyers Part of what @StarryGrandma wrote there might be misleading. The parts of a "ref" are not separated with commas -- at least, I have never seen that format. instead, please see the "referencing for beginners" link that she provided, for more details. David10244 (talk) 06:18, 6 March 2023 (UTC)

Audio files and userboxes

There are two things i want to know. How to add userboxes to your user page and how to add an audio file to an article.

thanks

Purplelavendermidnights 17 (talk) 00:24, 5 March 2023 (UTC)

hi @Purplelavendermidnights 17 and welcome to the Teahouse! you may check out Userbox to learn how you can add them to your userpage. on the bottom of that page is a place to get various userboxes. happy editing! 💜  melecie  talk - 01:12, 5 March 2023 (UTC)

Hello, and welcome from me too. Adding audio files is like adding images or any other kinds of media: first you ascertain that the material is licensed in a way that is compatible (not a copyright violation); then you upload it, usually to Wikimedia Commons; then you can insert it into an article. See Help:Upload. ColinFine (talk) 09:19, 5 March 2023 (UTC)

Thanks both of you

Purplelavendermidnights 17 (talk) 13:45, 5 March 2023 (UTC)

Trouble With a User

Hi all! I'm editing as an IP right now because of unforseen circumstances that are making it impossible for me to edit via my usual account. Actually, I'm not even sure that this will work because I'm editing through a system that seems very sketchy and prone to error. Anyways!! I'm writing this because there's a user I've become aware of that doesn't seem to be here to build the encyclopedia. Of their 267 edits 8 of them are in the Mainspace, all in one article. That 3% od edits are all minor grammatical changes. Additionally, this user has been repeatedly extremely (eextremely!!!) disruptive on User Talk/Wikiedia (Teahouse) areas. Their edits are overwhelmingly in their own Userspace, with a ridiculous 59 edits on a tiny User Page which says (quote) "I personally didn't want to edit this page or place any information" I understand that they are new, but it's getting out of hand. What do I do? 73.170.84.78 (talk) 01:58, 5 March 2023 (UTC)

On the page User:Ionic Ludicrous, we read: I personally didn't want to edit this page or place any information, but I might as well. Is it Ionic Ludicrous that you're complaining about? -- Hoary (talk) 02:21, 5 March 2023 (UTC)

Yes. I didn’t want to call them out specifically without a little help, but I was being pretty specific. 73.170.84.78 (talk) 02:36, 5 March 2023 (UTC)

It is not uncommon for a new editor to put in an inordinate about of time on their own User and Talk pages. Or wander into the deep end of a Wikipedia pool; in this instance Teahouse. Advice has been given on IL's Talk page, and responded to. If there are not improvements going forward, warnings can be posted about WP:NOTHERE, but for now I suggest patience. David notMD (talk) 03:24, 5 March 2023 (UTC)

One of two things will happen, and it will probably shake out pretty promptly. Either Ionic Ludicrous will decide to become a productive encyclopedia editor, or they will be indefinitely blocked. The first is my preferred outcome, but the final result is entirely in the hands of the editor in question. This is, after all, a project to expand and improve an encyclopedia, not a venue to fool around. Cullen328 (talk) 07:52, 5 March 2023 (UTC)

Sorry - it's my late (1949) great grandfather's page and I'm clueless

Hi-

I'm putting together a page for my late Great Grandfather (d. 1949). The page was rejected because I need more inline citations, not links.

Here's the url: Draft:Enrique Acosta (actor)

I read the tutorials - but really not sure what to change. I included what I knew from the oral family history (all are dead and I'm the oldest in the great-grandchildren generation at 63). And I found a bunch of links, but they must be wrong. Big problem I'm having is that there is not much about California Mexican Americans in the early 20th century. This was systemic as most of their lives were marginalized.

Can someone give me a couple of ideas to start with. I'm not getting a clue from the tutorials. Sorry for my ignorance.

I am working hard to learn this, as I want to create my next page on my deceased grandmother (Enrique's daughter-in-law) who was a Latina (she called herself one of the Californios) concert pianist in 1925 Los Angeles. Sexism and racism buried most of her career, though I have some links through the Indianist Movement in Music.

Any help? Again - I'm sorry for my ignorance.

Best,

Cristina Acosta *sun2day (talk) 00:53, 5 March 2023 (UTC)

*sun2day, I think what you're doing is admirable, but I can't guarantee that your ancestors meet Wikipedia's strict requirements for notability. You have to provide several reliable sources that prove they're notable enough. Basically, that means you need to find several articles or books that talk about them. If these don't exist, then they probably don't qualify for Wikipedia articles. Thebiguglyalien (talk) 01:29, 5 March 2023 (UTC)

hi @*sun2day and welcome to the Teahouse! first off, you may want to read the Conflict of interest policy, as you are connected the one you're writing about. then make a disclosure of your CoI somewhere, like on your talk page.

unfortunately, you may not just add what you know to an article (or draft) you're writing in Wikipedia. everything has to be sourced somewhere or be common knowledge (we call this verifiability), since we'd like our readers to be able to go off and find the facts somewhere published and reliable when they would like to verify facts, whether it be through simply accessing a webpage or finding a book (or newspaper or journal) in a library to verify these facts themself.

while I cannot review articles nor check if sources are reliable enough for our standards (and by the way, reliable means published documents or articles from a reputable publisher or source), why not try and find sources that talk about your great-grandfather? are there any books (that are not their autobiography, if they have one) that details their life?

happy editing! 💜  melecie  talk - 01:31, 5 March 2023 (UTC)

Hello, *sun2day. One of Wikipedia's core content policies is No original research. Article content needs to summarize what published reliable sources say about the topic. Every single thing you know only from the oral family history must be removed from the draft. You are correct that there was systemic racism against Mexican Americans in Southern California, but in the past half century, many Mexican American academics and other academics have worked to document the history of that community, and the Hollywood community has vast resources documenting the totality of the American film industry. So, "forget", as it were, what you have learned through family lore and focus instead on what published reliable sources say about your great-grandfather. Cullen328 (talk) 01:38, 5 March 2023 (UTC)

thanks *sun2day (talk) 02:03, 5 March 2023 (UTC)

Hello *sun2day. Did anyone in your family keep a scrap book of newspaper clippings on your great grandfather? An obituary would be a reference for basic information such as Acosta having a wife and children, plus the date of his death and where he was interned. If you could find film reviews where Acosta was mentioned in a positive light that would be useful. One film you don’t have in your article is the 1927 Buck Jones silent film Whispering Sage. (https://www.google.com/books/edition/A_Biographical_Dictionary_of_Silent_Film/VnGeCQAAQBAJ?hl=en&gbpv=1&dq=Enrique+Acosta&pg=PA2&printsec=frontcover takes you to Acosta’s short biography, listing the film.) You mention he was in The Cisco Kid Returns, but the actual name of the 1930 Gary Cooper film is The Texan.

Look for additional references about your great grandfather. I see that you’ve submitted it for review a second time, but you can continue to make improvements while waiting for the new review. Best wishes on your efforts. Karenthewriter (talk) 02:29, 6 March 2023 (UTC)

how do you recieve messages from the mediawiki message delivery?

as above tynjee 04:45, 5 March 2023 (UTC)

@-tynjee You question is not very clear to me. If you wish to receive email messages from mediawiki, then you should navigate to Special:Preferences#mw-prefsection-echo and ensure that the "Show notifications from other wikis" option is ticked and that you have associated a suitable email account. Alternatively, you might like to read all about system messages on Mediawiki or ask at their support desk. Mike Turnbull (talk) 16:51, 5 March 2023 (UTC)

@-tynjee: If this is about User:MediaWiki message delivery then you add your username to a list for that type of message. Use the existing format of the list of interest. Which messages do you want? PrimeHunter (talk) 19:54, 5 March 2023 (UTC)

like messages regarding community consensus on other wikis tynjee 09:56, 6 March 2023 (UTC)

SM City Sorsogon logo

@David notMD make a logo!! teahouse hosts go to SM City Sorsogon ok 122.53.42.88 (talk) 05:00, 5 March 2023 (UTC)

Wikipedia editors don't make logos. They find actual logos, examine their copyright status, and, if the status is satisfactory, upload a logo and then add it to an article or draft. There's no point doing that for a draft, as a draft won't necessarily ever become an article. You'd better concentrate on making the draft demonstrate that its subject meets notability criteria. -- Hoary (talk) 07:16, 5 March 2023 (UTC)

Logos cannot be in drafts as they are not "free" images in terms of copyright. 331dot (talk) 08:21, 5 March 2023 (UTC)

There appears to be a multi-year effort to have an article about every SM mall (see Draft:Wikipedia:WikiProject SM Supermalls/Articles, mostly by IP editors. As a retired biochemist, making logos is not my job. David notMD (talk) 12:39, 5 March 2023 (UTC)

@David notMD did that create a wikiproject and moves? 122.53.42.88 (talk) 14:25, 5 March 2023 (UTC)

@David notMD These look like run-of-the mill shopping malls. There is some published information, but is the topic (of any of them) encyclopedic? If I wanted to know something about a mall, I would use a Web search engine. David10244 (talk) 06:26, 6 March 2023 (UTC)

David10244 Do shopping malls deserve articles? Shopping mall defines a super shopping mall as 74,000-140,000 sq meters, and mega malls as >140,000 sq meters. It includes a list of the 50 largest in the world - all >250,000 - the majority of which are existing articles, including seven SM malls in the Phillipines. Furthermore, Lists of shopping malls is sorted by country, with lists within countries, and many malls, including smaller than super, are subjects of articles. David notMD (talk) 09:14, 6 March 2023 (UTC)

How to create new article in Wikipedia

How to create new article on Wikipedia Dreamsanuj1999 (talk) 07:48, 5 March 2023 (UTC)

@Dreamsanuj1999, See WP:N about what is demanded in the way of cited sources. If you conclude "Yeah, I have those, no problem!", you can move on to WP:YFA. If not, improve WP some other way. See also WP:AUTO. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 08:11, 5 March 2023 (UTC)

Dreamsanuj1999, other editors see from Draft:Devendra Singh that on 1 March you seriously misunderstood Wikipedia. If you too realize that you made a major misunderstanding, you're welcome to edit here. You can save yourself much frustration by improving existing articles (by use of reliable sources) before attempting to create any new article. -- Hoary (talk) 08:26, 5 March 2023 (UTC)

Hello, Dreamsanuj1999. I see that you have been working on Draft:Devendra Singh. That is pretty much the opposite of an acceptable Wikipedia article. Frankly, it sucks. You need to complete a total rewrite if you are to have any hope of getting this draft accepted as an article. Follow the advice offered above, and follow it carefully. Cullen328 (talk) 08:36, 5 March 2023 (UTC)

Another way of putting this is that Wikipedia is the opposite of social media. Rather than allowing everyone to be the subject of a page, Wikipedia as an encyclopedia is limited to articles (not pages) about people, places, companies, organizations, animal species, etc. that many people have in the past published articles about in reliable source media: books, newspapers, magazines, websites, etc. From what you created, Devendra Singh does not qualify. I left a note on your Talk page on how to delete the Rejected draft. David notMD (talk) 12:46, 5 March 2023 (UTC)

@Dreamsanuj1999 A comparatively minor point: the picture is probably not your own work, as you claimed when you uploaded it, unless you took the picture yourself with your own camera. David10244 (talk) 06:30, 6 March 2023 (UTC)

Category:Recipients of Kalidas Samman

I want to add this category to all recipients of Kalidas Samman. Can anyone tell me any gadget for adding this category to all the recipients. ​​​​​​​𝐋𝐨𝐫𝐝𝐕𝐨𝐥𝐝𝐞𝐦𝐨𝐫𝐭𝟕𝟐𝟖🧙‍♂️^{Let's Talk !} 08:58, 5 March 2023 (UTC)

LordVoldemort728, the article Kalidas Samman provides no evidence that its subject is notable, and so is at risk of deletion. Your priority should be to address that, rather than adding a category to its recipients. Maproom (talk) 10:10, 5 March 2023 (UTC)

Where do I report a vandal to get their talk page access revoked?

There is an IP editor whom I warned (User talk:174.27.21.219) a month ago, and a while back, they replied to me, telling me to "go hug a cactus" [6] (which I would say counts as telling me to harm myself). Where should such a case be reported? Tube·of·Light 09:40, 5 March 2023 (UTC)

Tube of Light WP:ANI would be the place. It's a personal attack, but I don't think it's "telling you to harm yourself", I don't think it's meant to be taken literally. 331dot (talk) 09:45, 5 March 2023 (UTC)

IP 174.27.21.219 was blocked from editing articles on Feb 6th for six months. The subsequent one-time post ("cactus") on the IP's Talk page should just be ignored. Consider action only if the IP posts on your Talk page. David notMD (talk) 13:09, 5 March 2023 (UTC)

bonjour

vasa Milo2484 (talk) 11:22, 5 March 2023 (UTC)

Welcome to the Teahouse, Milo2484. Do you have a question about editing Wikipedia that we can help you with? That is the sole purpose of this page. Nick Moyes (talk) 12:16, 5 March 2023 (UTC)

Hello. Welcome to the teahouse. If you are more familiar with French, why not have a try on French Wikipedia -Lemonaka‎ 13:40, 5 March 2023 (UTC)

Report

Please let me upload a acticle

-Kind Regards Rayyan Ahamadh Fazly 12345 (talk) 12:48, 5 March 2023 (UTC)

Rayyan Ahamadh Fazly 12345 Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. You don't need anyone's permission to write a new article, but it is the most difficult task to perform on Wikipedia. We usually recommend that new users first gain experience and knowledge by editing some of the over 6 and a half million articles we have in areas that interest you; using the new user tutorial is also helpful. New accounts cannot directly create articles, but you may create and submit a draft via Articles for Creation. 331dot (talk) 12:54, 5 March 2023 (UTC)

Further to what 331dot says, you clearly do not yet have an understanding of what Wikipedia is, as all three of your other edits were to introduce personal comments into articles. This is never appropriate. If the comment is about improving the article (which I think your comment about Congestion pricing might have been), it belongs in the article's talk page. But your opinions on the subject of an article do not belong anywhere in Wikipedia. ColinFine (talk) 16:23, 5 March 2023 (UTC)

Do old articles have to follow new rules that were created years later?

Can an article that was created in 2005 be eligible for deletion based on not following rules that were made in 2021? Seems highly questionable to me.

Thanks KatoKungLee (talk) 17:38, 5 March 2023 (UTC)

Hello, KatoKungLee, and welcome to the Teahouse. Many old articles have never been looked at. When we turn our attention to an old article that does not meet modern standards (which nearly always means, insufficiently sourced), we should either improve the sourcing to establish notability and bring it up to modern standards, or delete it.

So the answer to your question is sort of yes: the article should not be left as it is, but notability is a property of the subject, not of the article, so if, in fact, the subject is notable, then the article should not (and generally will not) get deleted. ColinFine (talk) 17:45, 5 March 2023 (UTC)

However, notability guidelines can change over time, in which case subjects that were notable before might not be anymore. ■ ∃ Madeline ⇔ ∃ Part of me ; 17:48, 5 March 2023 (UTC)

Should I italicize this?

I want to say a film was nominated for an award in the Festival international du film d'Aubagne. Should I italicize the name of the film festival? It's been such a long time since I've actually edited, since I'm so busy with schoolwork. QuickQuokka ^{[⁠talk • contribs]} 17:48, 5 March 2023 (UTC)

@QuickQuokka: Welcome to the Teahouse. It's an interesting question, as non-English terms that aren't commonly used in English are typically italicised, but I would check to see if the English sources (if any) refer to it as such or something like Aubagne International Film Festival. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 18:52, 5 March 2023 (UTC)

On the other hand, per MOS:ITALICS, proper nouns should usually not be italicized. ■ ∃ Madeline ⇔ ∃ Part of me ; 18:54, 5 March 2023 (UTC)

Is it possible to update the image on this article?

Hello Wikipedians, is it possible to replace the infobox image in Jaiden Animations's wiki page with a newer photo? It's been a while since it was last updated (2017). Paowee (talk) 18:00, 5 March 2023 (UTC)

@Paowee: The thing is, Wikipedia and Wikimedia Commons only accept certain types of images that are freely licensed (with few exceptions). It is very hard to find such images, and if you find any image licensed under the Creative Commons/any other free license, you can feel free to upload it here. QuickQuokka ^{[⁠talk • contribs]} 18:06, 5 March 2023 (UTC)

Alright, sure. Paowee (talk) 18:10, 5 March 2023 (UTC)

About WP:NFC and film soundtracks

Hello! I'm contributing to improve Castle in the Sky, and am currently working on the section covering the soundtrack from the film. I was going to upload the cover art for the soundtrack album following the guidelines from the non-free content policy. However, the file upload wizard mandates that the image be used as an identifier of the article at the very top. This use of the image does not meet that criterion, as the main subject of the article is the film, not its soundtrack. As I'm sure there's precedent for this kind of situation, would anyone be able to offer guidance about this? —TechnoSquirrel69 (sigh) 18:46, 5 March 2023 (UTC)

One possibility would be to create a separate article for the Soundtrack album, wikilinked from a perhaps reduced Music section in the Film article as is not uncommon, but you'd probably need more information and sources than what's already in that section, which may or may not be available. {The poster formerly known as 87.81.230.195} 51.198.55.125 (talk) 19:12, 5 March 2023 (UTC)

@TechnoSquirrel69: You can upload a low-resolution image as a non-free fair-use file, which is then used only in a dedicated section about the soundtrack. There is some precedent for this. A dedicated section is essentially a mini-article about a related topic. ~Anachronist (talk) 21:31, 5 March 2023 (UTC)

I was considering just popping the section out into a new page, as there's a decent chance it would be a notable article in its own right. I think for now I want to focus on the main article, so I'm going to just go ahead and add in the image. I'll definitely consider that second article in the future, though. Thanks! —TechnoSquirrel69 (sigh) 23:38, 5 March 2023 (UTC)

Criteria for creating a page for someone

I work for a doctor who has had a very long and impressive career. He has made many contributions to mental health and mind-body wellness, going back to the 70s. What would the criteria be for creating a page for him?

Any help would be greatly appreciated! DDIAMO (talk) 19:54, 5 March 2023 (UTC)

DDIAMO Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. First, please review the paid editing policy and make the Terms of Use required disclosure on your user page. Please also read conflict of interest.

It's best to think about this as not "a page for" the doctor, but an article about him. A Wikipedia article summarizes what independent reliable sources with sigificant coverage have chosen on their own to say about the topic, showing how it meets the special Wikipedia definition of notability- such as the definition of a notable person. I'm sure that you and him think his contributions are important(and they may be, not saying otherwise) but Wikipedia is interested in what people wholly unconnected with the doctor think about his contributions.

If you have at least three independent reliable sources that discuss him and his significance, you may attempt to draft an article via Articles for Creation. Creating a new article is the most difficult task to attempt on Wikipedia, and it's even harder with a conflict of interest. We usually recommend that new users first edit existing articles to gain experience and knowledge, and using the new user tutorial is a good idea as well. You may want to consider if you are the best person to be doing this- the best indicator of notability is when wholly unconnected people take note of a topic in independent sources and choose to write about it. 331dot (talk) 20:30, 5 March 2023 (UTC)

IS his career as a practicing physician? As an author? As an academic with publications in peer reviewed journals? David notMD (talk) 22:01, 5 March 2023 (UTC)

Hello and thank you for your reply. His career has been as a practicing physician and as an author. I will look into the peer reviewed journals, as I am not sure. DDIAMO (talk) 23:06, 5 March 2023 (UTC)

@DDIAMO You should be looking for information that was written about him, in independent, reliably published sources. Be sure to read all of the information that 331dot linked. David10244 (talk) 06:42, 6 March 2023 (UTC)

Is he the author of best-selling books? Is he in some way a celebrity doctor? Have people with no personal or business connection to him written about his contributions? David notMD (talk) 09:19, 6 March 2023 (UTC)

Editing Wikipedia

FYI

 – section header added. ■ ∃ Madeline ⇔ ∃ Part of me ; 21:41, 5 March 2023 (UTC)

How do you edit Wikipedia? 76.166.240.115 (talk) 21:39, 5 March 2023 (UTC)

Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. By posting here, you made an edit. Editing articles is done in a similar manner. Are there specific edits you are interested in making? 331dot (talk) 21:43, 5 March 2023 (UTC)

Try WP:TUTORIAL. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 08:37, 6 March 2023 (UTC)

Eastermar ( Oostermeer ) in Friesland.

I hope I can do this… was reading the long Wikipedia article about the Netherlands and Friesland. Wanted to find out more about the ancient discoveries by the Bergumer Mar. Also reading about Eastermar. My grandmother was born near there ( Heechsän )in 1881. I visited the general area often during my childhood in 1950s and ‘60’s. I was disappointed that my parents old friend Dam Jaarsma was not mentioned.There should be a lot of his writing and research available. He esp collected old stories, also “ witch craft” beliefs and natural folk “ remedies”. This area “ de Wälden “, was known for the terrible circumstances, big families trying to survive in abject poverty. Frede op ierde (talk) 22:37, 5 March 2023 (UTC)

Frede op ierde, the Dutch Wikipedia article on Eastermar, at [7], does mention Dam Jaarsma, and has a link to its article on him. Maproom (talk) 23:27, 5 March 2023 (UTC)

How do I upload an image I own the copyright for without waiving the copyright

I own the copyright for an image. Specifically a screencap of a vtuber avatar and I want to post it to Wikimedia commons without releasing any rights to the copyright on the avatar itself. Just allowing it to be used on future articles and my user page. Are there special licensing requirements I need to put on the page? Immanuelle ❤️💚💙 (please tag me) 02:46, 6 March 2023 (UTC)

Here it is for referenceFile:Immanuelle.png. It is marked for speedy deletion for some reason. Immanuelle ❤️💚💙 (please tag me) 03:02, 6 March 2023 (UTC)

@Immanuelle It was marked for deletion because the license was apparently set to "Wikipedia use only" or "non-commercial use only". Those licenses are not allowed. I don't think you can accomplish what you are trying to do. Did you design the avatar yourself? David10244 (talk) 06:48, 6 March 2023 (UTC)

@Immanuelle How did you come to own the copyright to this screencap? David10244 (talk) 06:44, 6 March 2023 (UTC)

@David10244 I commissioned the avatar, so while I didn't make it myself I have full rights to it. My intention is to release the screencap into creative commons but not the avatar itself. I'm just not sure how that would work. Immanuelle ❤️💚💙 (please tag me) 06:57, 6 March 2023 (UTC)

Hello, Immanuelle. You continue to be the copyright holder for any image that you upload to Wikimedia Commons. It is just that you are freely licensing re-use of the image under extremely lenient terms and the only substantive right you retain is attribution when the image is re-used. If someone re-uses your image without attribution, they are in violation of your copyright. If they attribute the image to you, then they can re-use the image as they see fit. Cullen328 (talk) 07:22, 6 March 2023 (UTC)

Removing personal information from image file

Hello, I uploaded a image file which I cropped and the metadata for some reason has my full name in it. Is there any way I can remove the metadata? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Club_Q_shooting_CCTV.jpg Pyraminxsolver (talk) 02:48, 6 March 2023 (UTC)

Hi Pyraminxsolver. The metadata is part of the uploaded file and was added by the software you used to make the file. If you make and upload a new version without your name in the metadata then the file page will no longer display your name but users can still download the old file versions in the file history and display the metadata with their own software. The name is in both versions. G7 at commons:Commons:Criteria for speedy deletion#General reasons says you can request speedy deletion of unused content within 7 days of upload. The original version is six days old so you have to make a request quickly if you want speedy deletion, and you have to remove the use in Colorado Springs nightclub shooting. I cannot delete Commons files. I don't think it's possible to hide metadata from a file page if the file has the data. PrimeHunter (talk) 04:09, 6 March 2023 (UTC)

The image appears to be local. I've implemented an executive decision to interpret this as a request to delete the file and remove it from the article. Pyraminxsolver can upload a new one if they wish. As mentioned below, most operating systems provide the ability to view or remove metadata before it's uploaded. You should absolutely do this. -- zzuuzz ^(talk) 08:45, 6 March 2023 (UTC)

After getting that file deleted, if you want to try again, you should remove the metadata from the photo BEFORE you upload it. There are various tools and techniques for doing that. This page describes how to do it on a Windows computer. CodeTalker (talk) 05:42, 6 March 2023 (UTC)

How to save a draft article not finished yet

Hello, I am developing my first Wikipedia article, have been practicing edits and have created a draft using the template. I still have work to do on it with links and citations, so am not yet ready to 'Publish' and have people review it. But I can't work out where it will save or what will happen if I hit the blue 'publish' button.

From my reading of wikipedia guidelines and how to pages, I (think I) understand that the 'publish' function is not moving it to mainstream, but just wanted to confirm as I'm not sure where the draft page/article is saving - does it save to my account? If I close the window, where can I find it to go back to it in future? Thanks for any clarification and advice. Sian.harris (talk) 03:44, 6 March 2023 (UTC)

Hi Sian.harris, welcome to the Teahouse. "Publish" is just a save button. It says "Publish" to indicate that saved pages are visible to everybody. There are no private pages. Submitting a draft for review is another process. You can click "publish" now and work on it later until you think it's ready for submission. Before closing your browser you have to either "publish" it or save it offline, e.g. on your own computer. Some browsers may remember the content of unsaved text fields between browser sessions if you close the browser without closing the tab, but this is unreliable and I would never rely on it. PrimeHunter (talk) 04:21, 6 March 2023 (UTC)

Thank you so much for clarifying; it makes it much clearer. I appreciate your response! Sian.harris (talk) 04:49, 6 March 2023 (UTC)

@Sian.harris: You can find your saved edits later by clicking "Contributions" at the top of any page or in a menu on a person icon at the top right of pages. Others can also see your edits at Special:Contributions/Sian.harris. The top of the edit window shows what name the page will get if you save it. You can also find the page later by entering that name in the search box, including "Draft:" if that is in the page name. PrimeHunter (talk) 04:38, 6 March 2023 (UTC)

Very helpful - thank you so much. Sian.harris (talk) 04:50, 6 March 2023 (UTC)

edited SM City Sorsogon

teahouse hosts don't edit my draft ok and move SM City Sorsogon → SM City Sorsogon (mall) 119.94.63.254 (talk) 04:01, 6 March 2023 (UTC)

Move to SM City Sorsogon → SM City Sorsogon (mall) to move 119.94.63.254 (talk) 04:05, 6 March 2023 (UTC)

Draft:SM City Sorsogon is a declined draft. At present, SM City Sorsogon redirects to the Retail section in Sorsogon City. David notMD (talk) 09:43, 6 March 2023 (UTC)

column shift

Hi, is there some way to shift these columns as to present Party and then list of candidates party wise? or am I supposed to do it manually? Here: 2019 Andhra Pradesh Legislative Assembly election#Candidates 456legend(talk) 04:56, 6 March 2023 (UTC)

The No Good Very Bad Horrible Oxford Comma

Hello! Before diving into copyediting articles, I'd like to ask; what's the consensus on the Oxford Comma? My personal preference is to put them in for clarity, but I'd hate to trample over the will of the community. Thanks in advance. CrowEater (talk) 05:48, 6 March 2023 (UTC)

@CrowEater - see MOS:OXFORD. I'd say it's generally preferred but, like WP:ERA, consistency is key. EvergreenFir (talk) 05:55, 6 March 2023 (UTC)

Cool. Thanks! CrowEater (talk) 05:58, 6 March 2023 (UTC)

A query related to Indian article

Most of us when search Indian we meant India’s peoples and colloquially India’s peoples are known as Indians. So, I have some requests: 1. Move Indian to India (disambiguation).

2. Redirect Indian to Indian people and add

"Indian" redirects here. For other uses, see Indian (disambiguation).

in Indian people article.

Even though I’m too an Indian citizen but I’m saying it from neutral pov and according to Wikipedia guidelines, you can take the example of Americans. I myself tried it but it requires to delete Indian (disambiguation) which itself is a redirect to Indian.. ‎ Gorav‎ Sharma‎ ^{‎ TALK} 06:00, 6 March 2023 (UTC)

@Gorav Sharma Hmmmm... what do you mean by "most of us"? Do you mean most of the hundreds of thousands of users who search on Wikipedia, from all countries and cultures? How would you actually know what "most" of them are looking for? Not trying to be harsh, but you don't really know... David10244 (talk) 06:53, 6 March 2023 (UTC)

Most of us means majority of World population!

How many of us search Messi for Georges Messi , very few! And that’s what I meant to say. But if you think I’m wrong, I have no issue, you can be harsh! :-) ‎ Gorav‎ Sharma‎ ^{‎ TALK} 07:09, 6 March 2023 (UTC)

Hello, Gorav Sharma. The problem with your comparison between "Americans" and "Indians" is that the first term is unambiguous and that usage pretty much always refers to citizens of the United States. On the other hand, "Indians" is ambiguous and can certainly refer to citizens of India or also to the indigenous Native Americans in the United States. This is a linguistic curiosity going back to the days of Christopher Columbus but it is very real in everyday usage. The United States has more native English language speakers by far than any other country, and in the US and many other countries, the term "Indian" remains ambiguous, and resolving ambiguity is the purpose of disambiguation pages. Cullen328 (talk) 07:56, 6 March 2023 (UTC)

Our article Native American name controversy sheds additional light on this linguistic controversy. There is no easy answer. Cullen328 (talk) 08:06, 6 March 2023 (UTC)

Means I tried to guess the ocean with a sip! ‎ Gorav‎ Sharma‎ ^{‎ TALK} 08:38, 6 March 2023 (UTC)

Re article headed Tigris and Euphrates

This article needs a good map added to show the full length of the rivers, including the borders of the countries through which they flow. A map is essential and could possibly replace some of the text. 175.35.221.209 (talk) 06:36, 6 March 2023 (UTC)

Make the map and add it to the article. Read WP:SOFIXIT. Cullen328 (talk) 08:08, 6 March 2023 (UTC)

about my draft content

Hello, my mizu Wikipedia page, which I prepared for publication, still appears as a draft. It was suggested to change the bibliography in a question I directed here before, but I could not find a better bibliography. Is it possible for you to support the issue?

Thank you in advance for your support. Denizaltunel (talk) 07:25, 6 March 2023 (UTC)

Hello, Denizaltunel. Your draft has a single reference to an overtly promotional website that appears to be regurgitating a company press release. Such a poorly referenced draft will never be accepted. Read and study Wikipedia:Notability (organizations and companies) to get a sense for what is required. Your draft is a very long way away from being acceptable. Cullen328 (talk) 08:16, 6 March 2023 (UTC)

Editing in Wikipedia

How do i find articles with mistakes? Patrickkatra (talk) 08:47, 6 March 2023 (UTC)

Hello, Patrickkatra. Take a look at Wikipedia:Community portal. That should keep you busy forever. Cullen328 (talk) 08:50, 6 March 2023 (UTC)