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Please, can someone fix this

In Fantastic Beasts: The Secrets of Dumbledore, the part of "Future" should say "Canceled sequels" ,because the film series was cancelled. Sources:[1]https://www.thepinknews.com/2022/11/11/fantastic-beasts-cancelled/ [2]https://bolavip.com/en/offside/fantastic-beasts-cancelled-why-did-warner-bros-decide-not-to-continue-with-the-franchise-20221104-0026.html [3]https://movieweb.com/fantastic-beasts-cancelled-tv-series/ [4]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MejeJqFcxtU [5]https://www.popbuzz.com/tv-film/news/fantastic-beasts-4-movie-cancelled-harry-potter/ [6]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MejeJqFcxtU 190.21.169.218 (talk) 00:35, 22 May 2023 (UTC)

Welcome to the Teahouse. You will have a lot more luck discussing this on the article's talk page at Talk:Fantastic Beasts: The Secrets of Dumbledore and leaving an edit request. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 00:37, 22 May 2023 (UTC)

I already wrote something there and no one has answered, besides, i can't do nothing because the page is protected 190.21.169.218 (talk) 00:50, 22 May 2023 (UTC)

There is no record of your IP making any edits to that page, nor have there been any recent discussions related to what you're talking about. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 00:52, 22 May 2023 (UTC)

Yes, but it was another IP, i don't know why my IP changes 190.21.169.218 (talk) 01:34, 22 May 2023 (UTC)

IP addresses change based on a number of factors such as what network you are connected to as well as other factors. 💜  melecie  talk - 03:29, 22 May 2023 (UTC)

The request that I presume is yours is titled In "Starring" the list is not complete. Well, different people are likely to have different opinions of what constitutes stardom in a particular film. This doesn't mean that this could never be a matter for rational dispute, but you don't say anything on the talk page that seems likely to get a reaction much beyond "Uh-huh. And so?" -- Hoary (talk) 02:37, 22 May 2023 (UTC)

Pink News draws on, and misrepresents, what Variety wrote, and Variety reads: As for what’s next? There’s speculation about whether or not “Fantastic Beasts” will complete its ambitions as a five-film franchise. At the moment, there’s no screenplay for a fourth installment, sources have confirmed. Executives at Warner Bros. are waiting to see how “The Secrets of Dumbledore” is received before giving films four and five the greenlight. [My emphasis].

As your many Chile-based dynamic IPs have been told before, we are still awaiting official confirmation, and this is why your many attempts at introducing your own interpretation of sources have been reverted by other editors. As have your attempts to change the Fantastic Beasts film billing blocks and cast lists, and to change the titles/headlines of citations/references, over a period of many months. The many reversions, page protections, user notices, warnings, and blocks should maybe tell you something. Esowteric + Talk + Breadcrumbs 08:15, 23 May 2023 (UTC)

Here is a diff of a typical edit made by you with an earlier IP address (with an incomplete/deceptive edit summary). Esowteric + Talk + Breadcrumbs 08:48, 23 May 2023 (UTC)

Need help

Hello i need help i already make an article with some photos that are from random website and these photos are free to publish they are not violate rules here and how i will edit them because Mrs Liz told me about COI.

I am not owner and the motorcycles are my hobby because I have no vested interests or advertisements, I just like motorcycles and I know this brand by heart.

Please i am a very novice in wikipedia i need help. Tresor23 (talk) 11:02, 22 May 2023 (UTC)

Tresor23 Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. Photos from websites are almost never appropriate for use on Wikipedia. They only would be if the copyright of the image is clearly shown to allow use of the photo for any purpose or if the photo is otherwise in the public domain(such as works of the US federal government).

I don't know who "Mrs Liz" is, but it certainly is not a conflict of interest to merely be interested in the topic of motorcycles. Your attempts at a draft seemed to just consist of posting an external link, they did not seem to be efforts to write an encyclopedia article, which is the most difficult task to perform here. 331dot (talk) 11:08, 22 May 2023 (UTC)

He must have meant Liz who told him about this, "Teahouse" on his talk page.-1Firang (talk) 11:13, 22 May 2023 (UTC)

true as you said Tresor23 (talk) 12:26, 23 May 2023 (UTC)

I want to be legal here on the wiki and contribute, as for the photos I will look it up again because I am not in the mood for trouble thank you 331dot Tresor23 (talk) 12:28, 23 May 2023 (UTC)

Hello, Tresor23 and welcome to the Teahouse. If you have difficulty with the English language, perhaps you might consider contributing to one of the other Wikipedia sites that uses your native language, until you get used to editing at Wikipedia? Here's a list of Wikipedias in different languages. Esowteric + Talk + Breadcrumbs 11:35, 22 May 2023 (UTC)

I know some English, Thank you for your answer. Tresor23 (talk) 12:25, 23 May 2023 (UTC)

Where does paraphrasing end and plagiarizing begin?

This section in Ron DeSantis, added here,

He lifted restrictions earlier than most other state governors, but implemented measures to protect the elderly. DeSantis managed to avoid the dire consequences predicted by many, Florida’s death rate was within the national average, and the state’s economy fared better than many others.

is based on this text in Encyclopedia Britannica:

he lifted restrictions much earlier than other governors, though he implemented measures to protect the elderly. While many predicted dire consequences, Florida’s death rate (more than 75,000 people) was within the national average, and the state’s economy fared better than many others.

Aside from the WP text giving DeSantis unsourced credit, is this acceptable as paraphrasing? Space4Time3Continuum2x (talk) 11:16, 22 May 2023 (UTC)

I'd say this is next to the line on paraphrasing as it says essentially the same with but rephrased in certain areas. FusionSub (talk) 11:19, 22 May 2023 (UTC)

It's plagiarism. -- Hoary (talk) 11:55, 22 May 2023 (UTC)

It's also a very pro-DeSantis position. 331dot (talk) 11:59, 22 May 2023 (UTC)

Yes, that's plagiarism -- and also of questionable accuracy. A more precise statement would be that Florida ranked about 10th highest among U.S. states in number of cases and deaths per capita. That's higher than the "national average" for death and infection rate per capita. Smallchief (talk) 12:20, 22 May 2023 (UTC)

This appears to be WP:COPYVIO, see detail at that link. SPECIFICO talk 13:13, 22 May 2023 (UTC)

This we learned in the 8th Grade: You must "substantially change" a writing in order for it not to be plagiarism. Paraphrasing is self explanatory, and it is exactly what you see above. Hope this helps.🙂 Lord Milner (talk) 13:25, 22 May 2023 (UTC)

According to Vox, his state had a faster economic recovery though the state's average amount of cases were 3% higher than the rest of the country. The Capitalist forever (talk) 20:51, 22 May 2023 (UTC)

But was that demonstrably attributable to anything DeSantis did, or due to factors outside his control? (I'm a disinterested observer from another continent, and genuinely don't know.) {The poster formerly known as 87.81.230.195} 90.199.210.77 (talk) 15:00, 23 May 2023 (UTC)

References

Creation of the Wikipedia page

Guys I'm new and I want to learn. As a suggestion, I would like to publish this page that I created. I added new funds. Thank you with all my heart

https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Draft:Salvatore_Ruocco&fbclid=IwAR17oYNDF7rp4vcYOFRkluuQ7oWte_5ynPKTAIv_EbfmobqVrvTgsswdMiI Cinefilm (talk) 20:12, 22 May 2023 (UTC)

@Cinefilm Please read the feedback other editors provided, before submitting it for feedback. Welcome to the Teahouse! Creating a new article from scratch is extremely challenging, and new editors are strongly recommended to spend a few months learning how Wikipedia works, by making improvements to some of our existing six million articles before trying it. When you do decide to have a go at a new article, you are highly encouraged to read WP:Your first article. If you haven't already also check out WP:TUTORIAL; it's a lot of fun! Happy editing! ~ 🦝 Shushugah (he/him • talk) 20:38, 22 May 2023 (UTC)

Good day Cinefilm,

It might help you to switch to the Visual Editor if you have not already as it simplifies the code of a page to a menu. It will help you change the links as references to inline citations, or footnotes. Grammar is also an issue with the page.

As for the elephant in the room, the article is way to small with too few citations. Citations need to be reliable and there needs to be enough to pass notability requirements. You should be extra carful as you are dealing with a living person. ✶Mitch199811✶ 20:41, 22 May 2023 (UTC)

i tried to do something about formatting (which i count as grammar, don't @ me), at least

hope it's not as unhelpful as i initially assumed it was cogsan (give me attention) (my deeds) 20:52, 22 May 2023 (UTC)

Cinefilm (talk) 17:16, 23 May 2023 (UTC)Thank you all, you have been kindCinefilm (talk) 17:16, 23 May 2023 (UTC)

PetScan

I am getting incorrect results when I run PetScan. Adding a screenshot here to see if there is something I am typing wrong. Obviously the states and pages are not in a subcategory of Montana. I have had this problem on multiple searches on multiple days, so this isn't an isolated instance. Thanks! Tbennert (talk) 20:50, 22 May 2023 (UTC)

Hi Tbennert. "Depth 10" means 10 levels deep of subcategories. A lot can happen there, e.g. Category:Montana, Category:History of Montana, Category:Pre-statehood history of Montana, Category:Washington Territory, Category:Establishments in Washington Territory by year, Category:1854 establishments in Washington Territory, Bellingham, Washington. PrimeHunter (talk) 22:34, 22 May 2023 (UTC)

Thanks! 10 is the default on the example page I use so I've never changed it. Didn't realize how much was in the subcategories.--Tbennert (talk) 23:01, 24 May 2023 (UTC)

Hi Tbennert. A bit of a segue perhaps, but when you create a screenshot of a Wikipedia page, it's not really you're own work that you can claim copyright ownership over per se; it's more of a case of c:COM:2D copying and c:COM:SCREENSHOT. Generally, in such cases, it's better to use a license like c:Template:Wikipedia-screenshot than a regular Creative Commons license because it takes care of all the necessary attribution required by Wikipedia's licensing without asserting you have any copyright ownership over the content of the screenshot. The template's documentation page explain the kind of information needed to use it properly. -- Marchjuly (talk) 02:45, 23 May 2023 (UTC)

Okay. I don't think I've ever inserted a screenshot before and just used the form that popped up. I'll pay more attention in the future. Thanks for pointing it out!--Tbennert (talk) 23:01, 24 May 2023 (UTC)

A user keeps reverting my edit

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Ale.ch.geor this user keeps reverting my citation edit, even they are correct, i kinda got into a edit war, what do i do? Notrealname1234 (talk) 21:32, 22 May 2023 (UTC)

I found out that the user keeps doing edits that are incorrect Notrealname1234 (talk) 21:35, 22 May 2023 (UTC)

@Cog-san Notrealname1234 (talk) 22:14, 22 May 2023 (UTC)

@PrimeHunter Notrealname1234 (talk) 23:02, 22 May 2023 (UTC)

what cogsan (give me attention) (my deeds) 01:57, 23 May 2023 (UTC)

no, really, what?

was i, a professional non-admin, supposed to stop an edit war by using the ability to block someone that i don't have?

the only noteworthy thing i saw on their talk page was an unblock request from an article, which was denied because they weren't actually blocked from editing said article

or am i just overthinking an accident or something cogsan (give me attention) (my deeds) 16:52, 23 May 2023 (UTC)

Notrealname1234, on the article's talk page (or, if a number of articles are involved, then on the talk page of one of these articles), start a discussion. Be clear, polite, precise, and concise. -- Hoary (talk) 02:15, 23 May 2023 (UTC)

move draft to page

Hi I'm new user and I want to learn? as a suggestion, I would like to Draft:Tazi Habiba move intro a page. I had submitted a detailed

Thank you with all my heart Rapmarocedit (talk) 02:16, 23 May 2023 (UTC)

@Rapmarocedit: Welcome to the Teahouse. I see you've already submitted the draft. A reviewer will get to it when they do. Otherwise I'm not sure what you mean by move intro a page. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 03:02, 23 May 2023 (UTC)

Hi Tenryuu, I set up my user page so that I could write an article, need to be approved, and I've traductions the page from fr:Tazi Habiba getting the article wizard to direct me to Draft:Tazi_Habiba

Can someone move reviewer ?

Thanks again! I appreciate the feedback! Rapmarocedit (talk) 03:18, 23 May 2023 (UTC)

There's really nothing to do except wait. It's a backlog, not a queue, and reviewers are more likely to pick drafts they're interested in. I'd suggest working on something else in the meantime, or editing it if you find more reliably sourced information. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 03:22, 23 May 2023 (UTC)

Thank you for your answer Tenryuu, and I will get to work on something else, could launch in the draft of tazi habiba care to correctly report the reliably sourced all improvements

Thank you in advance for your kindness to this request Rapmarocedit (talk) 03:35, 23 May 2023 (UTC)

I reviewed it, and declined it. ~Anachronist (talk) 03:50, 23 May 2023 (UTC)

Hi Anachronist,

thank you very much, understood il new user, you can help me to work by adding all the necessary sources and by formatting it correctly information, and Proofreading my first articles?

I don't know if it's easy to change. Thank you in advance for your comments Rapmarocedit (talk) 04:01, 23 May 2023 (UTC)

Hi, Rapmarocedit! Asking to have references added by other volunteers to what you've already written suggests you've made the common error of trying to write an article backwards (perhaps based on your personal knowledge). You should start by finding sufficient published WP:Reliable sources, basing your draft only on what they say, and then adding more details from more sources. It's your job to find the sources in the first place. {The poster formerly known as 87.81.230.195} 90.199.210.77 (talk) 15:20, 23 May 2023 (UTC)

Welcoming me on Wikipedia

Hello guys, my name is EnjoyBrowser557 and I joined Wikipedia in order to add information and change content in articles and sometimes respond to discussions and talk pages. Furthermore, I am still learning about the core principles that Wikipedia provided on my homepage. Would you not forget on recent technology in Wiki software? Plus, would you like to give me barnstars or thanks to me for my intelligent work? Just to know that I am new to Wikipedia, so I am still experimenting on wikicoding and understanding on how to use userboxes for my talk page. So, when I am promoted to autoconfirmed user, I will have a chance to create articles and edit semi-protected pages. When it comes to images and photos, I learned how to use a it in proper way and change the sizes and columns of the image. My only languages I speak is English, so in meantime, I would have the ability to write paragraphs and uses sources when editing articles. That would include any field of topic, I would be interested in.

So in conclusion, do you have any advice or further information that you can present to me, so I will improve my knowledge in upcoming days? How would you guide me around Wikipedia and its talk page discussion? Anyways, kudos to those who make replies to me. /EnjoyBrowser557 (talk) (contributiuons) 04:14, 23 May 2023 (UTC)

@enjoybrowser557: you're a bit self-centered, aren't you? anyway, we have an introduction to wikipedia editing here. lettherebedarklight晚安 04:37, 23 May 2023 (UTC)

I am a bit self-centered? Oh wow. At the definitely least, you gave me the introduction to the Wikipedia editing. /EnjoyBrowser557 (talk) (contributiuons) 05:44, 23 May 2023 (UTC)

@EnjoyBrowser557 I've placed a few useful links on your Talk Page: the problem with replying here at the Teahouse is that comments rapidly get archived and can be difficult to find later. Mike Turnbull (talk) 10:06, 23 May 2023 (UTC)

@Lettherebedarklight @Michael D. Turnbull Alright, well thank you guys for informing about the introduction about the Wikipedia and sending me those links related to building an encyclopedia. By then, I definitely wish that I will comprehend more about the Wikipedia and its guide to improved contributions. So, have a great day! /EnjoyBrowser557 (talk) (contributiuons) 22:05, 23 May 2023 (UTC)

By then, I will become a autoconfirmed user and I have the potential to be skilled in developing articles that do not have one yet and addition of detail information for any reader to learn more about the topics covered. That is my own start to journey to Wikipedia adventure and its facts and statistics. /EnjoyBrowser557 (talk) (contributiuons) 21:27, 24 May 2023 (UTC)

Content on Swaraj Shetty

Hi I have created a content (biography) on Swaraj Shetty which is not getting approved due to citation issues even after providing all relevant links and citations. Could you pleease guide me on what could the possible issue? Shivani Sudhir Suvarna (talk) 07:21, 23 May 2023 (UTC)

Poor quality of citations (examples, wikibio.in, and even Wikipedia), lack of citations, poorly described citations. Let's look at one (strangely formatted) section, "Early life". We read:

Shetty was born 30 October 1990 in Mangalore, Dakshina Kannada. He did his schooling from Narayana Guru School Mangalore and later pursued engineering from Hosur. He had always been passionate about acting and had participated in several theatre productions during his college days and has also bagged the title of Mr. Vignyan 2009 from Hyderabad. He had even won awards for his performances, which fueled his desire to pursue a career in the entertainment industry and returned to Mangalore..

None of this is referenced. The reader has no reason to believe any of it. Everything must be referenced. -- Hoary (talk) 07:55, 23 May 2023 (UTC)

article draft declined

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Williamhenryincedo#c-Theroadislong-20230517162200-Paid_editing

My recent article submission gets rejected.

I want to know the reason and how I can improve the content quality of it. Williamhenryincedo (talk) 09:01, 23 May 2023 (UTC)

 Courtesy link: User talk:Williamhenryincedo. Esowteric + Talk + Breadcrumbs 09:06, 23 May 2023 (UTC)

Williamhenryincedo Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. Your draft was deleted as an unambiguous advertisement. Wikipedia is not a place for companies to tell the world about themselves and what they do. A Wikipedia article about a company must primarily summarize what independent reliable sources with significant coverage have chosen on their own to say about the company, showing how it meets the special Wikipedia definition of a notable company. We are not interested in what a company says about itself, or in its routine business activities, Wikipedia wants to know what those completely unaffiliated with the company choose on their own to say about it. This is usually very difficult for someone in your position to do. If you company truly merits a Wikipedia article, an independent editor will eventually take note of the company in independent sources and choose to write about it. Any article that is written will not belong to the company and can potentially contain negative information about the company, should it exist. Please keep this in mind.

If you are editing at the direction of your superiors, please read WP:BOSS and have them read it too. 331dot (talk) 09:16, 23 May 2023 (UTC)

Is there a way to clear your alerts and notices

I don't want to see my old alerts and notices, anyway to clear them? Esoptr0n (talk) 09:28, 23 May 2023 (UTC)

Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. I don't believe there is a way to clear the alerts- only to mark them as read or unread. I think this is because usually the alerts are not looked at unless you have one. 331dot (talk) 09:30, 23 May 2023 (UTC)

Alright, thank you for the information. Esoptr0n (talk) 10:32, 23 May 2023 (UTC)

Help with deleting a draft for good

Hi, can you please assist in permanently deleting this draft : https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Global_Excellence_Assembly

I think one of the reasons why a published article was removed is because of this misleading draft.

Thanks you in advance Houladinas (talk) 12:13, 23 May 2023 (UTC)

@Houladinas: Welcome to the Teahouse. The draft in question has already been deleted, either at your or someone else's request. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 13:35, 23 May 2023 (UTC)

Thank you for your genuine response, much appreciated Houladinas (talk) 17:43, 23 May 2023 (UTC)

Writing a unbiased article that I'm indirectly paid for?

I'm writing two articles that I'm indirectly paid for. This has been disclosed, in line with Wikipedia Terms of use, on my user page.

The first article is an update of an already published old article about the parking app RingGo. I've addressed the changes on RingGo's Talk page.

The second article is about RingGo's mother company EasyPark Group. EasyPark Group doesn't have an article up on Wikipedia. I tried to create a draft which was later deleted due to my connection with the company, including some feedback that it wasn't unbaised and that some sentences could be interpreted to commercially. It's now rewritten in a straight forward way, just like my RingGo edits and my quesiton is how I move forward to get it published?

Thank you for your help. JMW Editor (talk) 13:22, 23 May 2023 (UTC)

Your re-write on the article talk page is entirely promotional and supported by press releases which are not independent sources.Theroadislong (talk) 13:31, 23 May 2023 (UTC)

@JMW Editor: if you wish to write an article on the EasyPark Group (or any other topic you have a conflict of interest in), you must submit your draft for review at WP:AFC; you're not allowed to publish it directly yourself. HTH, -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 13:59, 23 May 2023 (UTC)

Thank you for clarification. JMW Editor (talk) 14:29, 23 May 2023 (UTC)

@JMW Editor Your post here has reminded me of the current fuss in the UK about smartphone-only carparks and I have added some well-sourced information about that to the RingGo article. This demonstrates a comment often seen on Teahouse threads that an article about you or your company is not always a good thing. Mike Turnbull (talk) 14:58, 23 May 2023 (UTC)

@JMW Editor, Draft:EasyPark Group has three references listed at the end, but no inline citations at all. Also, I notice that two of the references have headlines which are rather critical of an action which has been taken, but no such criticism appears in the body of the article. The draft just says things which (I assume) EasyPark would like people to know, sourced (I assume) to EasyPark itself, and nothing else. 199.208.172.35 (talk) 15:29, 23 May 2023 (UTC)

@JMW Editor: You wrote that article WP:BACKWARD. Start over. Delete what you have, collect sources, and write what the sources say. ~Anachronist (talk) 21:13, 23 May 2023 (UTC)

Can I let authors know in one click

I want to delete The Daily Campus, so I followed instructions and notified all the authors. Can I do this in one click? It takes too much time. Chances last a finite time (talk) 14:21, 23 May 2023 (UTC)

There's: {{ping|author1|author2|author3|author4|...up to...|author50}} "notification message" ~~~~

See Template:Ping for documentation. Note that the template has to be in the same edit you sign, e.g., can't be a later addition to a previously signed edit. – .Raven  ^.talk 14:48, 23 May 2023 (UTC)

Hello, Chances. Twinkle can make tasks like that one easier. ColinFine (talk) 14:48, 23 May 2023 (UTC)

Thanks. Chances last a finite time (talk) 14:49, 23 May 2023 (UTC)

How to post information that is confirmable but difficult to source

The location of a radio station's transmitter was given to me by a friend with local knowledge (who asked me to make the update). I was able to confirm it on Google Maps but could not find a static source to use as a reference. The location currently on the web site (that presumably was correct at some point but no longer is) is also unsourced. I tried to update the information but my edit was reverted because it was not referenced. I tried finding the information on the FCC's web site and the radio station's but was not able to.

As noted, the information in the current page is also not referenced. What is the best way to handle this?

In addition, is there a good source for answers to questions like this or generally a guide for people, like me, with experience editing occasionally over the years but not educated about nuances or tools that might make editing easier. Jreiss17 (talk) 14:24, 23 May 2023 (UTC)

Hello, Jreiss, and welcome to the Teahouse. If the location cannot be sourced by a reliable soruce (which in this case would not need to be indepedent) then it should be removed. ColinFine (talk) 14:50, 23 May 2023 (UTC)

I am not sure. This may be a WP:BLUESKY situation that doesn't need sourcing. The coordinate location of a radio station is verifiable by anyone with a smartphone GPS who goes to the station to verify its coordinates. ~Anachronist (talk) 14:56, 23 May 2023 (UTC)

Probably stupid question. How do you know where to go to do so, if you don't already know the coordinate location of the transmitter? {The poster formerly known as 87.81.230.195} 90.199.210.77 (talk) 16:46, 23 May 2023 (UTC)

You call, or go to the radio station's physical office address and ask them where you can have a look at the transmitter, if it's in a different location than the radio station. The verifiability burden isn't much different from going to a library to look up a book. ~Anachronist (talk) 21:09, 23 May 2023 (UTC)

Oookay. Until I retired I worked for a company who carried out emergency repairs on UK mobile phone antennae (which are often mounted on masts for other things, like radio broadcasting, as well as on their own dedicated masts, or on roofs or walls of large buildings, or inside church steeples, or disguised as trees, etc.). Our company alone averaged around 100 visits a week, and we weren't the only ones in the business. A good few of those repairs were made necessary by vandalism and sabotage – stealing the cables to sell for scrap is an international criminal operation, and you might be surprised at how many people think phone/radio masts are part of a sinister government plot to infect everyone with cancer and/or Covid (yeah, really), and try to set fire to them.

While mast and other cellphone etc. antenna locations are obviously not secret, and of course within the industry we necessarily had all the information (did you know there are/were around 100,000 sites in the UK – the companies are trying to consolidate and share sites, but it's a slow process), if a random member of the public starts asking about transmitter mast locations, eyebrows might be raised and the police might want to take an interest, just in case. {The poster formerly known as 87.81.230.195} 90.199.210.77 (talk) 08:41, 25 May 2023 (UTC)

How to link two articles in different languages about the same person

Hello everyone, do you know how can these two articles be connected? They are about the same person, but they are not shown as a different language option for each one of them. Any idea how to make that happen? Thanks!

EDIT: Here are the links to each article:

Spanish: https://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Athenas_(cantante) English: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Athenas

Piano123piano (talk) 14:57, 23 May 2023 (UTC)

Hi, @Piano123piano – it looks like this is an issue on Wikidata. It appears as though es:Athenas (cantante) and Athenas have two separate Wikidata items. To fix this, I have performed a merge of those two items. It should be fixed by now. Thanks for bringing this up! — 3PPYB6 ^{(T / C / L)} — 15:06, 23 May 2023 (UTC)

@Piano123piano you can read more about Wikidata merges at d:Help:Merge. Happy editing! ~ 🦝 Shushugah (he/him • talk) 17:46, 23 May 2023 (UTC)

Editing a template

Hello! I have found a spelling error in a template (Quotation Templates) and I want to be certain about how to fix this before I go ahead. I think that I can fix the text in "Template:Quotation_templates"; then it says something about updating the documentation. What are any special things I need to know before making a change to a template? Jkgree (talk) 16:01, 23 May 2023 (UTC)

If it was the spelling of "separate" (a common error) I've fixed it. There is nothing special about that sort of tweak. Shantavira|^{feed me} 16:34, 23 May 2023 (UTC)

@Jkgree, thanks for spotting that error! To give you a more generalized answer, template editing can be tricky because a given template will have lots of uses, and you'll want to make sure your change doesn't break any of them. You can use the option at the bottom of the edit window to preview pages that use the template, and you can also use the template sandbox. When you do something like introduce a new parameter, you always want to update the documentation associated with the template, in this case at Template:Quotation templates/doc. But just fixing a typo doesn't change anything functionally, so there's no need to change the documentation. Hope that helps! Template editing can be a fun and highly impactful task once you get the hang of it. Cheers, {{u|Sdkb}} ^talk 06:04, 24 May 2023 (UTC)

Inclusion of my profile

I would like to know how can I appear in wikipedia. I can send my history including my cv, achievements, references, and i would like to know how much is. Thank you in advance for your prompt answer. Maor Rozen, 80.31.240.21 (talk) 17:04, 23 May 2023 (UTC)

Hi, IP editor and welcome to the Teahouse. You can't buy your way into Wikipedia. You need to become notable. Esowteric + Talk + Breadcrumbs 17:09, 23 May 2023 (UTC)

Additionally I would recommend reading Wikipedia:An article about yourself isn't necessarily a good thing. Happy editing! ~ 🦝 Shushugah (he/him • talk) 17:44, 23 May 2023 (UTC)

Hello, Maor. If you're even considering the possibility of paying for this, it is worth warning you that there are many people out there offering to creating a Wikipedia "profile" (there is no such thing, by the way) for money. Some of them may be honest, and tell you up front that they are required to declare their status as paid editors, and that they cannot guarantee that they can get an article about you accepted, or that if one is accepted it will say what you would like it to say. Many are scams. ColinFine (talk) 18:45, 23 May 2023 (UTC)

• Maor, you seem to have a misunderstanding of what Wikipedia is. This is not a website where people tell of their own qualifications and accomplishments. That's what social media is for. This is an encyclopedia that is concerned with what third parties say about a topic, not what it wants to say about itself, and not merely documenting its existence. There are criteria for inclusion, called notability. 331dot (talk) 19:28, 23 May 2023 (UTC)

Biography article

Dear Team, Ankit Kumar Pandey who's the Fit India Movement Ambassador is comes under Biography notability should i write article on him please help suggestions G20norms (talk) 18:55, 23 May 2023 (UTC)

Hi @G20norms, welcome to the Teahouse. Have you found multiple independent, reliable, published secondary sources with significant coverage of this person (see WP:42)? If so, they may well be notable. If you're not sure about your sources, you could post links to the three best sources you've found and someone here might evaluate them for you. 199.208.172.35 (talk) 19:03, 23 May 2023 (UTC)

If I'll provide you name and sources you can write article on him G20norms (talk) 19:12, 23 May 2023 (UTC)

@G20norms, I have no desire to write an article on this person. If you have the sources and want to start writing an article, I recommend that you read Help:Your first article and follow the directions. 199.208.172.35 (talk) 19:23, 23 May 2023 (UTC)

Ok got only suggest news platform like - Times of India, Hindustan Times, Hindustan, India today, Pm India office are reliable sources? G20norms (talk) 19:37, 23 May 2023 (UTC)

@G20norms, looking at WP:RS/PS, The Times of India is not so great. The others are not listed there, but our Hindustan Times and India Today articles seem to indicate they would be okay. I don't know what you mean by "Hindustan" and "Pm India office" - presumably the latter is the Prime Minister's office? If so, that would be an official government source and (generally - not always) reliable. Note that sources also need to be independent and secondary, and contain significant coverage of the subject. 199.208.172.35 (talk) 19:47, 23 May 2023 (UTC)

Yes Pm meant by Prime Minister office and "The Times of India" is not reliable sources? Hindustan is very popular hindi news platform. G20norms (talk) 20:19, 23 May 2023 (UTC)

@G20norms, ah, you mean Hindustan (newspaper). Our article on that one isn't very good, unfortunately, so I can't say much about it. And yes, The Times of India has been discussed several times and judged to have a reliability between no consensus and generally unreliable - see WP:TOI, where there is an explanation and links to the various discussions. Also, if you look at this part of WP:RS/PS, you'll see a search box which will let you search through past discussions, in case you want to check whether a certain source has come up for debate before. 199.208.172.35 (talk) 20:34, 23 May 2023 (UTC)

And one more question i have, how can i unprotect any article from protected article G20norms (talk) 21:05, 23 May 2023 (UTC)

@G20norms, you will need to make a request here. Be sure to read and follow the instructions. Note that a request to unprotect Ankit Kumar Pandey was made just yesterday and declined (here). 199.208.172.35 (talk) 21:09, 23 May 2023 (UTC)

Dear teahouse,

Is this article draft:Ankit Kumar Pandey had any issues with citation or language tone i know you only guide please help once . G20norms (talk) 21:39, 23 May 2023 (UTC)

@G20norms, yes, it has several issues. Ravensfire pointed out some of them for you over on Materialscientist's talk page. For instance, the first 5 sources are not about Ankit Kumar Pandey; much of the information does not have supporting inline citations; and the language tends toward the promotional. Also, I'm not sure that this person is notable, but that's going to depend on the strength of those last three sources. 199.208.172.35 (talk) 21:49, 23 May 2023 (UTC)

Same topic news articles from different different channels are accepted as inline citation G20norms (talk) 22:00, 23 May 2023 (UTC)

G20norms if you are talking about WP:OTHERSTUFFEXISTS, this isn't really a valid argument. Other than references, you need to trim the external links section, WP:TWITTER, WP:FACEBOOK, WP:INSTAGRAM. Remove caps from section titles, making them sentence case, and put citations at the end of sentences and after punctuation (WP:REFPUNCT). Sungodtemple (talk • contribs) 22:52, 23 May 2023 (UTC)

Dear Sungodtemple,

Overall i have to remove caption from the image and remove External link but dear i had one question i read most of Biography they added External so please tell me my coding of the External link are wrong ot i have to remove it. G20norms (talk) 09:02, 24 May 2023 (UTC)

MOS:REFPUNCT reads: All ref tags should immediately follow the text to which the footnote applies, with no intervening space. [Their emphasis] (sometimes at the end of a sentence or paragraph, sometimes mid-sentence). Ref tags should be after most punctuation.

Re. external links: Exceptions are sometimes made for Twitter, Facebook and Instagram. Regular websites are strongly preferred, but exceptions are made for official links when the subject of the article has no other Web presence. Does that mean picking one of the social media sites above, or allowing all three? Esowteric + Talk + Breadcrumbs 09:25, 24 May 2023 (UTC)

I didn't understand i have to remove provided External links all three? but understood that if article had no any web references then wikipedia consider External links like facebook, instagram or twitter. G20norms (talk) 10:10, 24 May 2023 (UTC)

I'm not sure whether you can have all three social media links (as an exception, since he has no web site) or only one, so I pose that question to other editors here. Esowteric + Talk + Breadcrumbs 10:47, 24 May 2023 (UTC)

I changed the headings from title case to sentence case, and punctuation before reference. Esowteric + Talk + Breadcrumbs 09:32, 24 May 2023 (UTC)

You changed the title case to sentence before reference or i have to do it in draft:Ankit Kumar Pandey G20norms (talk) 10:08, 24 May 2023 (UTC)

G20norms, I've changed the headings to "Sentence case" from "Title Case", so you don't have to. I've also changed the punctuation, and made a few minor changes to the references. You can now see the changes.

There are some big gaps where text is not referenced.

(By the way, I've wikilinked some of the work entries in the references to show that they have Wikipedia articles. I've noticed two or three times with other drafts that reviewers sometimes assume that Indian or Oriental media are less noteworthy than (say) European or US media). Esowteric + Talk + Breadcrumbs 10:15, 24 May 2023 (UTC)

so can we now that article draft:Ankit Kumar Pandey is completely ok or we have to work on it for more accuracy or we can allow him for draft review submission G20norms (talk) 10:43, 24 May 2023 (UTC)

Let's see what other editors here have to say now. Is the article ready for review? Esowteric + Talk + Breadcrumbs 10:49, 24 May 2023 (UTC)

Overall currently it's in under updation it's not ready for review? G20norms (talk) 10:51, 24 May 2023 (UTC)

The "Early life and background" section is unsourced. If you can't find a biography to use as a reference, you may have to first delete some or all of this section. I'm sure in the coming months, the subject will get more coverage in the media. But let's wait a while and see what other editors here now think of the draft. Esowteric + Talk + Breadcrumbs 11:03, 24 May 2023 (UTC)

If you either add sources to "Early life and background" or delete that whole section, you could (if you wish, and if you feel ready, and want to go ahead), submit the draft for review, and then see what the reviewer and other commentators have to say. Esowteric + Talk + Breadcrumbs 11:09, 24 May 2023 (UTC)

Can you please if i have to add only mother's name father's name and siblings or if we had no any reference about them so how can we add them without reference. G20norms (talk) 11:29, 24 May 2023 (UTC)

I have deleted the "Early life and background" section. All significant, and especially personal, facts in biographies of living persons need to be sourced or removed. Esowteric + Talk + Breadcrumbs 12:37, 24 May 2023 (UTC)

So now the rest of article is well according to provide sources what's your opinion on it as an editor? G20norms (talk) 12:40, 24 May 2023 (UTC)

But news platform like The Times of India, Hindustan times, Hindustan (newspaper), India today are good platforms G20norms (talk) 10:56, 24 May 2023 (UTC)

Yes, I agree. They are reliable sources. Esowteric + Talk + Breadcrumbs 11:03, 24 May 2023 (UTC)

In the above discussion sungodtemple mentioned to trim External links whats your opinion on it G20norms (talk) 11:08, 24 May 2023 (UTC)

See my answer above. Forget about changing the External links for now. This is not a "dealbreaker". There is an exception for external links for people who have no regular web site, but it's unclear whether that means you can keep all three links to social media, or only one of them. As I said above (and I've now deleted the unsourced section containing personal details), if you really want to go ahead, then submit the article for review and see what the reviewer and any commentators have to say. Esowteric + Talk + Breadcrumbs 12:41, 24 May 2023 (UTC)

Honestly, there's some notability concerns. There are three sources that mention Pandey and all three are about the same thing - being named ambassador for the fit india program. Even in those sources, it's more fluff coverage than significant coverage. I'd really, really like to see more sources about Pandey. DOB still isn't sourced. Given the history (and the SPI mentioned below), there's a very strong feel of WP:UPE/WP:COI editing here. Ravensfire (talk) 14:57, 24 May 2023 (UTC)

Dob source how is it possible to get even i read almost Biography there's no any dob source inline and they Approved or also you can suggest what kind of source because i don't think so newspaper or something else had that G20norms (talk) 15:47, 24 May 2023 (UTC)

As I said earlier, all significant facts, especially personal details in a biography of a living person need to either be sourced or removed. I've removed date of birth, for starters, and other editors and I have rigorously "pruned" the remaining content. In time, if the subject really is notable, further articles may be published, and more facts known. Esowteric + Talk + Breadcrumbs 16:37, 24 May 2023 (UTC)

What kind of source for dob are eligible G20norms (talk) 16:43, 24 May 2023 (UTC)

See this Biography Ankit Bathla there's no any dob sourced G20norms (talk) 16:46, 24 May 2023 (UTC)

G20norms, DOB, even place of birth, the names of relatives ... all these things need to be in independent, secondary, published, reliable sources, especially in BLPs. That means in things like newspapers, magazines, journals, books, publicly accessible official records, on the radio, television, video or audio podcasts. Whatever sources can also be verified by other editors and readers. If not, it should be removed. Esowteric + Talk + Breadcrumbs 16:55, 24 May 2023 (UTC)

Please also see WP:BLPPRIMARY which shows what basic facts may be – or must not be – added from primary sources. Esowteric + Talk + Breadcrumbs 16:59, 24 May 2023 (UTC)

Please also provide disclosure temple references for article lock that no one can edit without permission G20norms (talk) 17:07, 24 May 2023 (UTC)

Have had to add "Citation needed" tags to the DOB which has been re-added in two places. I won't edit war, but as I just pointed out, WP:BLPs especially require independent, reliable, secondary, published sources for personal details. Esowteric + Talk + Breadcrumbs 17:21, 24 May 2023 (UTC)

@G20norms, @The haul: I give up: A whole section on personal life has again been added that is unreferenced. That is not the way to get the draft successfully reviewed. And I also have to ask how is it that the editor is in possession of so many unpublished personal details? Esowteric + Talk + Breadcrumbs 17:48, 24 May 2023 (UTC)

@Theroadislong, Justlettersandnumbers, Materialscientist, Nathan2055, Jimfbleak, TheBirdsShedTears, Stwalkerster, Ankit Krs Pandey, The Fact Explorer, Nishee22, G20norms, and Esowteric: Please see Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/Ankit Krs Pandey --Shirt58 (talk) 🦘 12:00, 24 May 2023 (UTC)

Multiple Users on Draft Article?

FULL DISCLOSURE: Truly inexperienced Wiki user here. My question: can another wiki user/friend collaborate with me while the article is in the Draft stage? If so, after they login with their own credentials how do they find my Draft “Maddy Walsh” article and get the keys to edit with my permission. ~~ Maybe the other way to ask the question is: can just any Wiki user work on my Draft anytime? ~~ Moxy Rock (talk) 21:25, 23 May 2023 (UTC)

Hi @Moxy Rock, welcome to the Teahouse. To answer your last question first - yes. Anyone can work on any draft. Just give them a link to it - for instance, Draft:Maddy Walsh or Maddy Walsh. 199.208.172.35 (talk) 21:26, 23 May 2023 (UTC)

@Moxy Rock:, I don't know how this looks on all interfaces, but if I click in the search box at the top of a Wikipedia article, a "Search" button appears. If I click on this, it takes me to the advanced search page, where it is possible to select in which parts of Wikipedia you are searching. Here, you can select that you want to search in drafts, so it is possible to find other people's drafts. In fact it's a good idea to do this before starting a new article, because it might be that someone else has already started writing something very similar. Collaboration often makes things better. Elemimele (talk) 06:05, 24 May 2023 (UTC)

Biden assassination attempt article?

Somebody should create an article about the guy who crashed his U Haul truck near the White House and tried to kill the US President Joe Biden

https://www.nytimes.com/2023/05/23/us/politics/truck-crash-white-house.html

https://www.cnn.com/2023/05/23/politics/dc-uhaul-crash-charges/index.html Onion1981 (talk) 04:39, 24 May 2023 (UTC)

@Onion1981: Somebody might, if the event meets the criteria for a stand alone article (WP:NEVENT). Otherwise it may end up as part of the article on Joe Biden. RudolfRed (talk) 04:44, 24 May 2023 (UTC)

To me, it looks like a minor triviality at this point. but future coverage may justify an attempt to create an article. ~~\\

Onion1981, he talked about it, but DID he try to kill Biden? I have the impression he didn't get past the security barrier--a long way short of reaching Biden. Uporządnicki (talk) 14:25, 25 May 2023 (UTC)

He clearly attempted something, I'm pretty sure if POTUS wasn't the most guarded person in the world, he would be dead, js. Onion1981 (talk) 14:40, 25 May 2023 (UTC)

Please, approve this draft

Aprrove Draft:Fantastic Beasts: The Secrets of Dumbledore (soundtrack), please, it has everything to aprove it and make it an article on Wikipedia 201.188.134.212 (talk) 04:54, 24 May 2023 (UTC)

See the note at the top of the draft: "Review waiting, please be patient. This may take 4 months or more, since drafts are reviewed in no specific order. There are 4,766 pending submissions waiting for review." You can continue to work on improving the draft while you wait for review, or work on something else. RudolfRed (talk) 04:58, 24 May 2023 (UTC)

Retired SME and COI

I'm a subject matter expert, retired several years ago, and I'm a beginner here. Decades back, I was entangled in the controversial stuff that made my field what it is today. I was a moderately big fish in a very small pond, and at various times I worked with competing parties on all sides. At this time and for close to 10 years, however, I have had no financial interest in the subject, the various issues have all played out, and in my heart I have reached a point of equanimity. I'd like to dig in and edit/create some articles that I'm uniquely able to craft--but if I have to declare COI and ask for help posting every sentence I write then the process will be very inefficient. Does the WP definition allow my COI to "age out," or am I cursed forever to {{request edit}} every addition and correction I post? LeggyLettuce (talk) 05:27, 24 May 2023 (UTC)

@LeggyLettuce: Welcome, and thanks for wanting to expand and improve the encyclopedia. If you are no longer in a position that would be a conflict of interest, such as a financial relationship with the subject, then you should be fine to create and edit articles. What does "create some articles that I'm uniquely able to craft" mean? Any article you create must be supported by what reliable sources say and not by your personal experience or expertise. RudolfRed (talk) 05:33, 24 May 2023 (UTC)

Thank you, @RudolfRed, and I appreciate your point about reliable sources. What I meant was that existing articles in my field have inaccurate paragraphs about technical things that are probably a nuisance for other folks to write, sandwiched between better-crafted sections on what we might consider the "cool stuff." As a subject expert, I'll have a much easier time than others fixing those technical bits. And I am pretty confident about which poorly-sourced topics and historic figures will met criteria as "notable" enough for new articles, because I have mentored and written about them before. LeggyLettuce (talk) 06:04, 24 May 2023 (UTC)

Hi LeggyLettuce. You might want to take a look at WP:EXPERT since it covers users such as yourself. The thing to remember is that while your expertise is valued (or at least should be valued), it will not give you any sort of editorial control over the articles you edit. You will still be expected to follow relevant Wikipedia policies and guidelines just like everyone else. This could mean that in some cases consensus might go against you no matter how right you know you are. As long as you don't start trying to use your expertise as a way of arguing that you know better than anyone else and that others should defer to you, you should be OK. Finally, you might want to consider looking to see whether they are any WikiProjects that cover the subjects you're interested in. WikiProjects are good places to find others with similar interests and also perhaps who are also "content experts". They also can be good places to learn how things are done on Wikipedia. -- Marchjuly (talk) 06:44, 24 May 2023 (UTC)

Thanks for responding, @Marchjuly. I did not know about WP:EXPERT; thank you for that suggestion! And yeah, I get what you're saying about (I'll paraphrase) not getting all bossy about being the expert. Fortunately for everyone concerned, decades of university teaching do tend to grind off the sharper edges of one's ego, and offspring file down anything remaining after that. Interestingly enough, the WikiProjects topics closest to my heart are well populated with complementary souls; but I have not yet spotted any that align directly with me--ergo, I think, the alternating paragraph situation I mentioned previously. Maybe I have found a niche--fingers crossed. LeggyLettuce (talk) 07:02, 24 May 2023 (UTC)

Can someone here review my drafts?

Draft:Martin Lefebvre & Draft:Dylan Fabre. I'd like any comments on how to imrpove them and you could maybe fix possible mistakes and typos i make. --Cheers! Kilaseell - Message me! - 06:18, 24 May 2023 (UTC)

Hi Kilaseel. Since both your drafts are about hockey players, you might get some good advice from the members of Wikipedia:WikiProject Ice Hockey since that's where you're likely to find Wikipedia users who have experience working on such articles. At first glance, the drafts look OK to me. I would remove the flag icon from the infobox of the Fabre draft per MOS:INFOBOXFLAG and perhaps try and figure out a better way to incorporate the in-body image in the Fabre draft, but the formatting of both otherwise looks OK (at least to me). Maybe some other cleanup per MOS:NUMERAL as well. None of the things I've mentioned, however, will have any impact on whether either draft is accepted as an article. One important thing to rememeber is WP:OVERCOME, particularly since the notability sub-guideline for athletes recently underwent a pretty thourough revision and is stricter than it perhaps prevoiously was. Whether either of these two players meet that guideline would be a good think to ask the members of WikiProject Hockey about. -- Marchjuly (talk) 06:34, 24 May 2023 (UTC)

Linking to Kiss the band

If I want to link to Kiss, The band, how do I do it? Seaparrot876 (talk) 10:19, 24 May 2023 (UTC)

by using that button that looks like a chain, or ctrl + k. proper usage should result in something like this cogsan • (give me attention) • (see my deeds) 11:28, 24 May 2023 (UTC)

(edit conflict) @Seaparrot876 By creating a wikilink like Kiss (band). There are various tricks described at WP:LINK which explain how to do this so that the link is simpler visually to the reader, as in Kiss, but goes to the correct article, not, for example Kiss. Mike Turnbull (talk) 11:37, 24 May 2023 (UTC)

With wikitext, see Help:Link, with VisualEditor, see Help:Introduction to editing with VisualEditor/3. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 11:40, 24 May 2023 (UTC)

Drafting an article

hello! tried to publish my first article and got rejected... anyone able to help? article is: Draft:Roger Starr JcwDenno (talk) 11:35, 24 May 2023 (UTC)

Hi, JcwDenno and welcome to the Teahouse.Try to find at least three independent, secondary, reliable sources that cover the subject in-depth, to show notability. See the golden rule. Esowteric + Talk + Breadcrumbs 11:42, 24 May 2023 (UTC)

thank for for this, will refer to the golden rule like a new bible ! JcwDenno (talk) 11:44, 24 May 2023 (UTC)

JcwDenno, as the decline message says, This submission's references do not show that the subject qualifies for a Wikipedia article—that is, they do not show significant coverage (not just passing mentions) about the subject in published, reliable, secondary sources that are independent of the subject (see the guidelines on the notability of people). Before any resubmission, additional references meeting these criteria should be added (see technical help and learn about mistakes to avoid when addressing this issue). If no additional references exist, the subject is not suitable for Wikipedia. The New York Times ones are not independent, since Starr worked for the New York Times. Sungodtemple (talk • contribs) 11:43, 24 May 2023 (UTC)

thank you for this, silly old me did not realise, still getting the hang of all this JcwDenno (talk) 11:44, 24 May 2023 (UTC)

@JcwDenno Note that they may still have use as sources, but may not help in the WP:N sense. Try archive.org, google isn't great with old stuff, but things like [7] can still pop up. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 12:03, 24 May 2023 (UTC)

@JcwDenno A simple Google search shows that Starr wrote extensively, so some valid sources would be reviews of his work. I used The Wikipedia Library (which, unfortunately you do not yet qualify to join) to find some. I'll post the ones that seem to me to be most useful into the draft or its Talk Page when I get time later.... Mike Turnbull (talk) 11:52, 24 May 2023 (UTC)

@JcwDenno As I suspected, there are heaps of good independent references that will easily take Starr to adequate notability. I've added a few to the draft and you could access them to expand the limited text I've already included. If you can't reach the original sources then contact me by email (via my Userpage) and I'll send you the .pdfs, which for copyright reasons I can't post here. Mike Turnbull (talk) 13:43, 24 May 2023 (UTC)

Delete all my creations

I would like to get my all contributions deleted to make a new article with all the improvements Jagriti.sri (talk) 11:53, 24 May 2023 (UTC)

 Courtesy link: User talk:Manglesh Kumar Srivastava. Hi, Jagriti.sri and welcome to the Teahouse. Is this the page you wish to delete? Esowteric + Talk + Breadcrumbs 12:02, 24 May 2023 (UTC)

yes and even this https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Drmangleshbjp&direction=prev&oldid=1156728183 Jagriti.sri (talk) 12:06, 24 May 2023 (UTC)

Jagriti.sri, simply delete from the draft material that you don't want there, and replace that material with material that you do want there. -- Hoary (talk) 12:26, 24 May 2023 (UTC)

video

can you make a lyric video for me Svh4dd (talk) 12:06, 24 May 2023 (UTC)

No, Svh4dd, encyclopedias don't make videos to meet individual requests. -- Hoary (talk) 12:22, 24 May 2023 (UTC)

Changing a title

How do I change the title of an article I created? this is the link to my article: https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Draft:Ben_Woods&oldid=1156748919 I'd like to change it to Ben Woods (Guitarist) since there is an article already titled Ben Woods Acj.15.acj (talk) 12:25, 24 May 2023 (UTC)

Got it, nevermind! Acj.15.acj (talk) 12:29, 24 May 2023 (UTC)

Article improving suggestions

Dear Teahouse I got totally confused but I'll try hard as much i can please suggest any mistakes in this article name Draft:Ankit Kumar Pandey which one is I'll created it is comes under wikipedia submission or not G20norms (talk) 12:44, 24 May 2023 (UTC)

Hi, G20norms. See your open question, Biography article above. Esowteric + Talk + Breadcrumbs 13:03, 24 May 2023 (UTC)

If you're confused and need a TL;DR ("too long; didn't read") response, I would say: All significant, and especially personal details need to be either sourced or removed. So I removed the "Early life and background" section. Forget about the External links for now. If the subject has no web site presence, exceptions can be made to link to social media sites instead, but it's unclear whether that means that all three sites can remain or if you need to pick one. This is not a "dealbreaker", however, and that can be sorted out later by you or other editors.

If you really want to go ahead, then click the big blue button labelled "Submit the draft for review!" and follow the instructions. Then wait patiently, and see what the reviewer and any other commentators have to say. If necessary, come back here to The Teahouse for further advice. Regards, Esowteric + Talk + Breadcrumbs 13:13, 24 May 2023 (UTC)

Okay thanks G20norms (talk) 13:53, 24 May 2023 (UTC)

One more question please suggest what are reliable tags is good for this article. G20norms (talk) 14:00, 24 May 2023 (UTC)

Give suggestions

Can you please review or give suggestions on my 2 drafts. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Bhai_Satta https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Raja_Rasalu ਗਿਆਨੀ ਪੁਰਸ਼ (talk) 12:51, 24 May 2023 (UTC)

@ਗਿਆਨੀ ਪੁਰਸ਼ Bhai Satta is great but the other one is terrible for wikipedia and it just reads like folklore 216.168.139.239 (talk) 13:02, 24 May 2023 (UTC)

Apps articles

Hi, I want to write some articles about some mobile apps I use and would like to know the best practices and what should I avoid when it comes to writing about software? Bluepen'n'paper (talk) 13:30, 24 May 2023 (UTC)

Bluepen'n'paper, creating an article is the toughest task you can perform on Wikipedia. See WP:YFA if you want to continue. Sungodtemple (talk • contribs) 13:47, 24 May 2023 (UTC)

@Bluepen'n'paper You might like to look at some typical articles created by members of this Project and then read this essay. Mike Turnbull (talk) 17:13, 24 May 2023 (UTC)

Translate text!!!!!!!Please

hello . How are you? Can you translate text(history) abaout Nora en Pure fom eanglisch to polisch? i speaking in eanglisch more on less but good be read her history in polisch.Cheers. P00int666 (talk) 14:34, 24 May 2023 (UTC)

Hi @P00int666, welcome to the Teahouse. You'll find many people fluent in English on English Wikipedia, but not so many in Polish. If you want an article translated into Polish, it might be more useful to ask around on Polish Wikipedia, which is where the article would end up anyway. They seem to have an equivalent to the Teahouse at this link. 199.208.172.35 (talk) 14:38, 24 May 2023 (UTC)

I want to submit an article for an artist

Hello !1

Can anyone please help me with a draft i am making for an artist how can i fix it and how to be accepted . Draft:TEDD TeddXhika (talk) 14:59, 24 May 2023 (UTC)

TeddXhika Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. What help are you looking for? You have already resubmitted the draft and the reviewer will leave you feedback, as a previous reviewer did.

You say this is "for" the musician. What is your association with them? 331dot (talk) 15:02, 24 May 2023 (UTC)

There is little to no chance your draft will be accepted in its current state. Your first citation is to a Google search: your job as editor is to evaluate whether any of the Google hits can be used as sources meeting Wikipedia's golden rules and if so to paraphrase them and cite them in detail. The other sources do not seem to be WP:independent of TEDD and as such do not demonstrate he is notable in the way we define that. Mike Turnbull (talk) 15:06, 24 May 2023 (UTC)

@TeddXhika, do you know this artist personally? You have apparently taken a very close-up picture of them. You may need to review our guideline on editing with a conflict of interest - WP:COI. 199.208.172.35 (talk) 15:09, 24 May 2023 (UTC)

@TeddXhika: Welcome to the Teahouse. Your username matches that of the subject. If you are the subject, please understand that writing an article about yourself is vehemently discouraged. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 15:24, 24 May 2023 (UTC)

I may need help with my article due to my grammar

Im not a native english speaker and i am not so good at writing articles: i wrote one for a notable actor and alleged voice actor for a game

Alexandra cristina echavarri Lecároz

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alexandra_Cristina_Echavarri

Thoughts? Any advice or help? Thanks! Ayyyple2 (talk) 15:05, 24 May 2023 (UTC)

Hi @Ayyyple2, welcome back. Grammar is the least of your worries here, I'm afraid. Your article is about a living person, but it has no inline citations, only a list of external links at the end, and most of those are useless as far as establishing that this person is notable. It's very likely that your article will be moved to draft space because it's not ready to be part of the encyclopedia yet. 199.208.172.35 (talk) 15:15, 24 May 2023 (UTC)

Thats a Shame, if its a living person with a few popular roles... i mean Ayyyple2 (talk) 15:19, 24 May 2023 (UTC)

@Ayyyple2 it's all about the sources, especially in a BLP. It would have been better if you'd created a draft to start with, worked on it, then submitted it to AfC. 199.208.172.35 (talk) 15:25, 24 May 2023 (UTC)

@Ayyyple2 I have moved the article back to draft space since it was clearly not in line with WP:BLP guidelines. You can work on it again at Draft:Alexandra Cristina Echavarri. You should first read the guidance at the BLP link and this essay. Mike Turnbull (talk) 15:32, 24 May 2023 (UTC)

Do you want to help me on it Ayyyple2 (talk) 16:06, 24 May 2023 (UTC)

No, folk like me who help out by answering questions at the Teahouse rarely want to be involved in drafting articles, as we have our own interests. I occasionally do help, as with Draft:Roger Starr earlier today but that's the exception which I did because it was clear to me Starr was going to be notable but just needed a few more references which I could provide. Mike Turnbull (talk) 17:05, 24 May 2023 (UTC)

I dont know what good external references are.. and the images, how do i do that? Ayyyple2 (talk) 18:43, 24 May 2023 (UTC)

Do you know someone that could help? Ayyyple2 (talk) 20:07, 24 May 2023 (UTC)

@Ayyyple2 In Wikipedia, we refer to "good external references" as those that come from reliable sources. Read that linked article carefully and note, for example, that IMDb is not one of them. Once you have found a good source, incorporate it into the article using inline citations. Don't worry about images for the present: your hurdle is to convince experienced editors that Echavarri is notable by Wikipedia's definition. Mike Turnbull (talk) 13:27, 25 May 2023 (UTC)

Shes a notable actor but i have no idea what sources to add!! Im thinking of making of Bryan Zampella, another actor... for example what are Good sources. I edit on my phone Ayyyple2 (talk) 13:42, 25 May 2023 (UTC)

@Ayyyple2, maybe it would help to look at a Good or Featured Article on an actor and see the sources they use - for instance, Florence Pugh. Or you could visit this list of frequently discussed sources and see which are good, which are bad, and the reasons for those determinations. 199.208.172.35 (talk) 14:06, 25 May 2023 (UTC)

I updated my article, i mean shes a notable actor, i added good sources... but maybe i need help Ayyyple2 (talk) 15:13, 25 May 2023 (UTC)

Adding a complicated citation.

Hello,

Thank you for your help in advance. I want to do a citation for the article that I am creating that looks like the second citation in the Wayne Gretzky article. How do I do that? I appreciate your help. Orlando Davis (talk) 16:08, 24 May 2023 (UTC)

Hi, Orlando Davis and welcome to the Teahouse. Like so:

<ref> * cite 1 * cite 2 </ref> with each bulleted cite on a new line. Esowteric + Talk + Breadcrumbs 16:16, 24 May 2023 (UTC)

Thank you very much! Orlando Davis (talk) 16:28, 24 May 2023 (UTC)

Ulrich Kutschera

Why contains this Article so many false statements and errors? hy are key references ignored? Why can Wikipedia not write objective, unbiased CVs on controversial living people? For instance, Ulrich Kutschera is a Scientist- "Professor of Biology", an author of 16 books, and musician, he released 5 CDs with own compositions. Why does Wikipedia not report that he tudies Biology-Chemistry and the Theory of Music? Diwata2 (talk) 16:28, 24 May 2023 (UTC)

Wikipedia is made up of thousands of volunteers working to improve the more than 6 million English Wikipedia articles. They tend to work on projects they have a special interest in. You may want to read Help:Referencing for beginners, find some excellent reliable references, and improve the article that you feel is incorrect. Best wishes on your efforts to improve Wikipedia. Karenthewriter (talk) 16:53, 24 May 2023 (UTC)

Creating an Article

When I'm on the "That page does not exist" page I click "Start creating", then "Next",Then "Next" again, then "I'm not connected to the subject" then I [ut in the draft name and it takes me back to "That page does not exist" page! Am I doing something wrong? Graham98765 (talk) 16:56, 24 May 2023 (UTC)

@Graham98765 I think that the problem is that you are editing from a new account and are therefore not allowed to directly create a new mainspace article. Use the WP:AfC process (see that link) and you should be fine, although creating acceptable articles is more difficult than you might imagine. Mike Turnbull (talk) 17:01, 24 May 2023 (UTC)

@Graham98765, it sounds like you are trying to use the Article Wizard mentioned above, but it's not working. Can you tell us the name of the draft you're trying to create? 199.208.172.35 (talk) 17:07, 24 May 2023 (UTC)

Yugoslav Commemorative War Cross Graham98765 (talk) 17:11, 24 May 2023 (UTC)

@Graham98765, here is Draft:Yugoslav Commemorative War Cross. I created it simply by clicking on a red link. I'm not sure why it wasn't working for you. 199.208.172.35 (talk) 17:16, 24 May 2023 (UTC)

IP editor. Very likely because the OP did a search for "Yugoslav Commemorative War Cross" and then tried directly to create it from the red-link below the search box rather than the link which creates a draft. The latter method should have worked but the former only works for WP:AUTOCONFIRMED editors. Mike Turnbull (talk) 17:29, 24 May 2023 (UTC)

@Michael D. Turnbull, from their description, it sounds like they clicked on the Article Wizard link in You can create a draft and submit it for review, got to this part, and then it bugged out on them. I couldn't replicate the issue, though. 199.208.172.35 (talk) 17:38, 24 May 2023 (UTC)

Thank you all very much for the help! Graham98765 (talk) 17:43, 24 May 2023 (UTC)

@Graham98765, I have fixed the formatting in your draft - I'm not sure why the text was added as a table. You have cited no sources, so I'm afraid your draft will be declined. Where did you get the information? 199.208.172.35 (talk) 17:56, 24 May 2023 (UTC)

In fact, it was declined just moments ago. 199.208.172.35 (talk) 17:57, 24 May 2023 (UTC)

I don't know to add sources, but I used this one. http://www.omsa.org/files/jomsa_arch/Splits/1967/417116_JOMSA_Vol18_1_10.pdf Graham98765 (talk) 18:10, 24 May 2023 (UTC)

@Graham98765, it would be a good idea to read Help:Referencing for beginners, or - even better - to go through Help:Introduction. References are added - at a most basic level - by putting the source information (title, link, etc.) between <ref> and </ref>. Even better is to use a citation template. Also, subjects of Wikipedia articles must be notable. You will need to find reliable, independent, published secondary sources that have significant discussion of this medal, summarize them, and cite them. See WP:42 for further explanation. 199.208.172.35 (talk) 18:16, 24 May 2023 (UTC)

Apparently there may be a bit of a problem due to a recent change. See this post at VPT. 199.208.172.35 (talk) 21:50, 24 May 2023 (UTC)

Help in finishing this Translation of the article on german Gender Studies scholar Heidi Schelhowe

Hello, I made a Translation of a German Wikipedia article and would like to finish it. I still struggle with doing the last steps on my own. The current Translation should move to a normal article The Article on my userpage: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Aberlin2/Heidi_Schelhowe @CaroleHenson maybe you are interested to help. I remember your amazing support with the Marie Burde Article. Aberlin2 (talk) 17:24, 24 May 2023 (UTC)

Hi, sure Aberlin2, I will finish up on an article in a bit and then go take a look at the article about Heidi Schelhowe.–CaroleHenson (talk) 20:17, 24 May 2023 (UTC)

Why do people argue Wikipedia does not have an ideology?

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Why do people argue Wikipedia does not have an ideology?

Wikipedia and it's editors clearly have a set of beliefs, then why do people frequently argue it is ideologically neutral?

and i do not mean ideological bias, i am talking about the idea that Wikipedia's policy and editor culture itself constitutes an ideology.

This must have come up more often, but a brief search turns up nothing. Bart Terpstra (talk) 17:58, 24 May 2023 (UTC)

@Bart Terpstra our "ideology" is that we should be neutral, it's not that hard to understand unless you read into it too much 216.168.139.239 (talk) 18:04, 24 May 2023 (UTC)

but a definition of neutral is ideological, right?

A definition of what is neutral is not neutral or objective itself, right?

It also obviously carries with it a belief why neutrality is a value people should have in the first place. Bart Terpstra (talk) 18:22, 24 May 2023 (UTC)

@Bart Terpstra of course rules about neutrality are not neutrally created otherwise there would be no rules at all 216.168.139.239 (talk) 18:30, 24 May 2023 (UTC)

Hi @Bart Terpstra, welcome to the Teahouse. Who is arguing that Wikipedia doesn't have an ideology? Anyone who contributes here probably has certain, rather obvious views on wikis, encyclopedias, the internet, the free spread of information, etc. It doesn't belong in our articles, but it does permeate everything else we do. This is entirely separate from WP:NPOV. 199.208.172.35 (talk) 18:05, 24 May 2023 (UTC)

I frequently run into people saying WP:NPOV is objective and neutral, also often citing WP:NOT.

That introducing a new point of view is WP:PROMOTION, that by adding a new point of view, i am taking part in an ideological battle and that Wikipedia is not a political forum.

But if Wikipedia has an ideology, then at the very least, it's a political forum about itself and the interpretation of the guidelines. Bart Terpstra (talk) 18:20, 24 May 2023 (UTC)

@Bart Terpstra, Wikipedia's goal is to have articles which represent fairly, proportionately, and, as far as possible, without editorial bias, all the significant views that have been published by reliable sources on a topic. That is our definition of neutrality in terms of article content. It may not align with other definitions of neutrality (in fact it definitely doesn't), but that's what has been agreed upon over the years. 199.208.172.35 (talk) 18:27, 24 May 2023 (UTC)

but how do you establish proportionality? Bart Terpstra (talk) 18:29, 24 May 2023 (UTC)

By how other reliable sources do it. If reliable sources don't give mention to a perspective, we don't either. --Jayron32 18:31, 24 May 2023 (UTC)

but the decision on what is and is not a reliable source is itself an ideological choice, right? Bart Terpstra (talk) 18:33, 24 May 2023 (UTC)

@Bart Terpstra ACtually it's usually based on if it's been reliable in the past 216.168.139.239 (talk) 18:38, 24 May 2023 (UTC)

this is begging the question. you say X is X because it has been X in the past to a question asking what X is. Bart Terpstra (talk) 18:43, 24 May 2023 (UTC)

If it's in dispute, by discussion to reach a consensus. Wikipedia runs on consensus. 199.208.172.35 (talk) 18:32, 24 May 2023 (UTC)

and this consensus forming process is a political process, right? Bart Terpstra (talk) 18:35, 24 May 2023 (UTC)

We make many ideological choices when running Wikipedia. Again, @Bart Terpstra, NPOV is only about what goes into articles. Not about what happens outside of them. 199.208.172.35 (talk) 18:35, 24 May 2023 (UTC)

Then how should i handle it when people accuse me of having editorial beliefs about what is significant and they belief that it's political/not neutral/ideological/soapbox, etc.

and citing that neutral point of view includes this point of view and that the view meets the criteria of notability is not convincing. Bart Terpstra (talk) 18:39, 24 May 2023 (UTC)

@Bart Terpstra You seem to hate police and support anarchy to an extent and wrote a one sentence one reference draft of some socialist group and when it got rejected you called it vandalism and it really seems like you are doing Wikipedia wrong you should take a break. 216.168.139.239 (talk) 18:52, 24 May 2023 (UTC)

sorry, i'm actually for law enforcement and have significant criticisms of anarchism.

the single sentence draft was because that's how i read the guidelines on translated article creation, this has been cleared up to me.

i deleted the "your draft has been rejected" in my talk page, because really, that should be a private message or notification, i thought it was fun to label the deletion "vandalism", not that anyone would actually go through the trouble to look.

If Wikipedia is created by consensus, then you can't do Wikipedia wrong, just non-conformist :p Bart Terpstra (talk) 18:57, 24 May 2023 (UTC)

Obligatory link to: Yes. We are biased.. 199.208.172.35 (talk) 18:38, 24 May 2023 (UTC)

I am aware, but how do i succinctly make the case that content that is from a credible source, meets notability requirements and should get more coverage in the article, is not political/neutral/fair/not a soapbox/etc? Bart Terpstra (talk) 18:41, 24 May 2023 (UTC)

@Bart Terpstra, you could make the best case in the world, but find out that others interpret Wikipedia's policies/guidelines/etc. differently, and that consensus is against you. In that case, walk away. It's hard and frustrating sometimes, yes. That's one reason why Wikipedia isn't a good environment for everyone. It may just be that editing here isn't a good fit for you as a hobby. Or maybe you just need to take a break for awhile. 199.208.172.35 (talk) 18:45, 24 May 2023 (UTC)

Well, it makes me want to write WP:IDEOLOGY or Wikipedia:Wikipedianism, which is an overview of it's set of beliefs, how they are regulated, theory and influences, but mostly clearing up the idea that WP does not have an ideology or POV itself. Bart Terpstra (talk) 18:49, 24 May 2023 (UTC)

Well, as far as I know, @Bart Terpstra, you're perfectly free to create an WP:ESSAY. Heck, I just linked to a user space essay a few posts ago - a very popular one, yes, but only a user space essay in the end. You can go and create one too. 199.208.172.35 (talk) 18:52, 24 May 2023 (UTC)

But it's not an essay, it's a notable topic of interest that exists in the world and wikipedia would benefit from it's inclusion :p Bart Terpstra (talk) 18:58, 24 May 2023 (UTC)

@Bart Terpstra, citation needed. 199.208.172.35 (talk) 18:59, 24 May 2023 (UTC)

mgr joke goes here cogsan • (give me attention) • (see my deeds) 19:01, 24 May 2023 (UTC)

What is an mgr joke? Do I have to call the manager? 199.208.172.35 (talk) 19:23, 24 May 2023 (UTC)

"MY SOURCE IS THAT I MADE IT THE FUCK UP" cogsan • (give me attention) • (see my deeds) 19:26, 24 May 2023 (UTC)

MGR, meaning "Metal Gear Rising", which has seen a resurgence in its popularity, mostly because kojimas writing is felt as relevant and relatable longer explanation. Bart Terpstra (talk) 19:29, 24 May 2023 (UTC)

Ah ha. I never got into the Metal Gear franchise. [files away yet another meme for future reference] 199.208.172.35 (talk) 19:37, 24 May 2023 (UTC)

this is a question i actually asked myself a few [insert time unit here]s ago, and the answer i got ended up being "this isn't really worth overthinking tbh"

wikipedia says what reliable sources say, so it's as neutral as the sources themselves are cogsan • (give me attention) • (see my deeds) 18:59, 24 May 2023 (UTC)

Wikipedia has an ideology, but that isn't socialism, liberalism, conservatism, or communism, but it is generally kowtowing to the mainstream academic views. tgeorgescu (talk) 19:32, 24 May 2023 (UTC)

I mean, it has to be closest to a centrist flavour of Liberalism, if we were going to create a political Taxonomy.

Wikipedia shares most of it's values, but notably skeptical of democracy and copyright. Bart Terpstra (talk) 19:38, 24 May 2023 (UTC)

Can you name a single paradigm that does not have an associated ideology? Esowteric + Talk + Breadcrumbs 19:41, 24 May 2023 (UTC)

There is a common belief that what is normal is not political, only what disagrees with normal is political.

yet, normal is not a natural or objective state of affairs and is better characterized as the prevailing political reality, rather than an apolitical reality, which does not really exist the same way an objective reality does not exist.

I do not consider Wikipedia running on an ideology an issue at all, but I do consider an appeal to normalcy or apoliticism a terrible argument when the subject itself is political, such arguments should be made through the lense of Wikipedia's Ideology instead.

It sneaks in through people's understanding of notability and neutral point of view, which generally seems to rate the status quo as more notable and neutral than alternatives or criticisms of the status quo, the editors theory of history and what it says is "realistic". An example of this would be "how notable are historic women". Bart Terpstra (talk) 19:50, 24 May 2023 (UTC)

i just realized something

did this devolve into a string of "yet you live in a society"? cogsan • (give me attention) • (see my deeds) 20:06, 24 May 2023 (UTC)

I think it's de-or-e-volved into discussions of the philosophical underpinnings of Wikipedia. There's probably a place to have such discussions - it's not the Teahouse, though. Maybe WP:VPM? 199.208.172.35 (talk) 20:09, 24 May 2023 (UTC)

That is part of the arguments against Wikipedia having an ideology: that Wikipedia does not advocate a position and it's existence is apolitical through proper execution of WP:NPOV and WP:NOT. Bart Terpstra (talk) 20:09, 24 May 2023 (UTC)

@Bart Terpstra, are you looking to change policy? For action against individual editors? Or just discussion? 199.208.172.35 (talk) 20:14, 24 May 2023 (UTC)

for the former two cases, the teahouse is a terrible bad not even good place to start the thing

for the latter, wikipedia is a terrible bad not even good place to do it in general

but this conversation quit taking itself seriously ages ago, so i don't think it matters cogsan • (give me attention) • (see my deeds) 20:15, 24 May 2023 (UTC)

Well, I'd prefer that this discussion reach some sort of conclusion, and not grow into a horrible, unending monster that takes over the Teahouse forever. 199.208.172.35 (talk) 20:18, 24 May 2023 (UTC)

i hear admins have the mystical power to close conversations

maybe we could pray for their blessing? cogsan • (give me attention) • (see my deeds) 20:19, 24 May 2023 (UTC)

But if we don't arrive at a satisfactory resolution, how will we find closure, admin or otherwise? Esowteric + Talk + Breadcrumbs 20:22, 24 May 2023 (UTC)

Maybe we could all just go get drinks. Anyone know an appropriate place for that? Some kind of... drink room? 199.208.172.35 (talk) 20:24, 24 May 2023 (UTC)

understanding of Wikipedia as a new editor and how to counter arguments that rely on Wikipedia being a neutral, objective, apolitical institution as an argument to deny additions to wikipedia that would otherwise comply with all the rules.

a proposal might be a page that explains this, but that is for elsewhere. Bart Terpstra (talk) 20:21, 24 May 2023 (UTC)

@Bart Terpstra, see WP:Dispute resolution. Pursue the various steps described. 199.208.172.35 (talk) 20:23, 24 May 2023 (UTC)

that is conduct, not what is the best way to phrase it/argue it. Bart Terpstra (talk) 20:29, 24 May 2023 (UTC)

@Bart Terpstra, that's more or less something you have to work out for yourself, I think. This isn't really a place to workshop replies in content disputes. 199.208.172.35 (talk) 20:35, 24 May 2023 (UTC)

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Help with Cite Errors

Calvin Lo (businessman)

How do I remove cite errors? and what are they for? Need help.

Thanks. Simonriley1994 (talk) 20:23, 24 May 2023 (UTC)

Hi @Simonriley1994, welcome to the Teahouse. That article uses a rather unusual reference style, and when a new editor added new references to the article, the two styles clashed. I have removed the now unused references from the reflist, which fixed the errors (I also removed the external links section, which was full of not-really-appropriate links - a link or two to the subject's personal websites would be fine). 199.208.172.35 (talk) 20:54, 24 May 2023 (UTC)

Hey, Thank you so much for this! Also, thank you so much for the fixing the external links tag as well (that would have been my second question). Simonriley1994 (talk) 21:58, 24 May 2023 (UTC)

How to make a correction to an article from a non-editor?

I contribute to Wikipedia financially, but I do not have the wherewithal to make corrections to articles. In the recent past, I somehow requested a simple correction be made to an article by a regular (volunteer) editor and someone was kind enough to do it. I hope I can do that again. The mistake is very easily confirmed from another article on Wikipedia and is not controversial even though the article with the mistake is political in nature. I am sure that the mistake was not originally a mistake because the map has been redrawn since the article was first published. Article to be corrected: Arizona's 6th congressional district Mistake: "Several mountain ranges run through the district with the highest peak in the Chiricahua Mountains at 9,796 feet" Correction found on Wikipedia article: Mount Graham The correction should say: "Several mountain ranges run through the district with the highest peak in the Pinaleño Mountains at 10,724 feet (3,269 m)" 174.18.39.110 (talk) 21:08, 24 May 2023 (UTC)

Hi IP editor, welcome to the Teahouse. Someone may come along to make the change for you, but for future reference, you can go to the talk page of any article - in this case, Talk:Arizona's 6th congressional district - and make a post explaining the correction to be made, which someone else might then act upon. 199.208.172.35 (talk) 21:54, 24 May 2023 (UTC)

Welcome to the Teahouse. Tacking on to the answer of the IP editor who answered you, you're more likely to get an interested editor's attention on that talk page if you formulate an edit request. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 22:25, 24 May 2023 (UTC)

How do I appeal a mod undoing my edit?

I added several new entries to the following page:

List of nicknames used by Donald Trump

My additions were accurate with citations.

A mod replied they had 'undone' them because 'they did not appear constructive', however the information I added was consistent with the rest of the information on the page, so this appears to be totally arbitrary.

I replied to the mod notice, and there has been no response.

User talk:2603:8001:6501:4DB7:0:0:0:C5

This was my first contribution to Wikipedia, and it was immediately deleted without cause, as far as i can tell, based on the whim of a single person. 2603:8001:6501:4DB7:0:0:0:C5 (talk) 21:56, 24 May 2023 (UTC)

Without looking at your edit, I will say that is normal process for Wikipedia. It is called WP:BRD, for Bold, Revert, Discuss. You added something to an article, another editor did not agree with it and reverted. The next step is to discuss it with the other editor at the article's page. RudolfRed (talk) 22:16, 24 May 2023 (UTC)

RudolfRed made a (rare) typo there. For "the article's page", read "the article's talk page"; in this instance, Talk:List of nicknames used by Donald Trump. -- Hoary (talk) 07:38, 25 May 2023 (UTC)

Looking at your edit, I can see that the citation you provided was to Trump's Twitter feed (i.e. a primary source), whereas other citations are to secondary sources. Heading off to the article talk page, then to the archives thereof, I could find this discussion that established that only nicknames "picked up" by secondary sources should be used (else the list would become unduly long).

Now, as new editor, you are not expected to find this out by yourself, and the editor who reverted you would have done well to link to that discussion. That being said, the principle that one person edits, another reverts, both discuss is rather standard. You should not take it personally if your edits are reverted. Tigraan^{Click here for my talk page ("private" contact)} 08:25, 25 May 2023 (UTC)

I see, thank you for your reasonable explanation, i will remedy this by re-adding with secondary sources, however he also removed 'meatball ron' for ron desantis which is based on secondary sources, with the new york times being the first to break it. 2603:8001:6501:4DB7:0:0:0:C5 (talk) 09:23, 25 May 2023 (UTC)

Make sure to read the first post in the discussion I linked to. The criteria are at least one secondary source describing it as a nickname, used by Trump at least twice, and lasting coverage. (Maybe "Meatball Ron" qualifies, I haven’t checked. The least I touch this kind of articles, the better I feel - but by the same token I am happy that others take on the dirty work of maintaining them.) Tigraan^{Click here for my talk page ("private" contact)} 11:47, 25 May 2023 (UTC)

2603:8001... Just to clear up one misunderstanding. Wikipedia does not have moderators. All editors have equal standing and the one who reverted you is as entitled to do so as anyone else. We do have administrators who, by consensus, have been given access to certain tools to allow them to, for example, block those who have abused the policies but these individuals have no powers to insist on a particular version of an article being used: see WP:OWN. Mike Turnbull (talk) 13:12, 25 May 2023 (UTC)

How to create a custom signature?

I have preferences at the settings and I utilize the wiki makeup. I did some minor changes for my own signature. However for color, it is completely unique. For my own, can you please explain how to create a custom signature with bolding and adding colors to it? And I wanted my signature to be unique like other users who did it, is there a coding to make the signature work in a unusual way? And how to customize it with different fonts, similar to other user's signatures? /EnjoyBrowser557 (talk) (contributiuons) 21:57, 24 May 2023 (UTC)

EnjoyBrowser557 this is usually done with <span></span> tags. For example, <span style="color: red; font: 10px Arial;">test</span> would turn into test. This W3Schools CSS reference may help. Sungodtemple (talk • contribs) 22:23, 24 May 2023 (UTC)

There you go, I now have my own custom signature. /EnjoyBrowser557 (userpage) (talk) (contributiuons) 22:44, 24 May 2023 (UTC)

You may want to spell check your signature as you misspelled "contributions." Esolo5002 (talk) 12:15, 25 May 2023 (UTC)

that's been bugging me for a while now too cogsan • (give me attention) • (see my deeds) 12:38, 25 May 2023 (UTC)

Global and local accounts and blocks

Hello, I have been recently unblocked on en.wikipedia.org via admin consensus by 331dot, Deepfriedokra and Valereee here. While I was blocked, I accidentally created a local account on ru.wikipedia.org. This happened when I was logged into my global account on Freerow2 and I visited a page on ru.wikipedia.org. I had no idea that this was going to create a local account, nor did I know that there were such things as local accounts tied to a global account. I had no intention of creating a local account there, nor did I make any edits there. When I was asking questions in IRC, Operator873 pointed out that I was also blocked there via providing this link. That's when I learned about the existence of that local account and the block there.

I would like to get unblocked from that local account, and also would like to delete that local account if possible. How would I go about doing this and where should I turn to?

I am also curious whether that block was valid. I made no edits there and didn't even know that a local account was made. The block reason says "cross-wiki abuse", but I don't see any abuse.

Also I'm wondering what is meant by "account creation disabled" when one is blocked. Does this mean global account creation or local account creation?

Thanks. Freerow2 (talk) 23:17, 24 May 2023 (UTC)

@Freerow2: Accounts cannot be deleted. If you are blocked on ru Wikipedia, you will need to appeal the block there, admins here cannot help with that. But, if you are not planning to use the ru account, just leave it be since the block won't matter. RudolfRed (talk) 00:50, 25 May 2023 (UTC)

Is there any way to cite the Ethereum blockchain for historical accuracy of NFTs?

Citations of public blockchains. Snarflakes (talk) 23:23, 24 May 2023 (UTC)

No, you can't cite blockchains. You can cite other sources that discuss the blockchain. RudolfRed (talk) 23:46, 24 May 2023 (UTC)

Thanks for the response. Citing on-chain Ethereum transactions would be an excellent objective historical documentation strategy. To the powers that be here. Snarflakes (talk) 23:56, 24 May 2023 (UTC)

It would seem to me that a blockchain is merely a WP:PRIMARY source, and therefore subject to the same kind of caveats as other primary sources, but by the same token could be used for the same purposes. Tigraan^{Click here for my talk page ("private" contact)} 11:49, 25 May 2023 (UTC)

Citations from Ancestry.com

Is there a correct method for citing from Ancestry.com? Do I simply use the URL that I get via access from the Wikimedia Foundation, or is there a stable URL that has to be used? If so, where do I find it? Thank you kindly. —CurryTime7-24 (talk) 23:33, 24 May 2023 (UTC)

CurryTime7-24 Hello. According to WP:ANCESTRY, you should be very careful in using it as a source. Secondary sources are preferable. 331dot (talk) 23:48, 24 May 2023 (UTC)

Yes, I know that, which is why I wasn't asking about that. I already have plenty of reliable secondary sources prepared for the subject I'm writing about. My usage of these primary sources from Ancestry.com is merely to establish date of birth and national origin of the subject's parents, which are covered by points 1 and 3 of WP:PRIMARY. Please, if somebody could answer my actual question, I'd appreciate it very much. —CurryTime7-24 (talk) 23:57, 24 May 2023 (UTC)

Sorry, just trying to help as I don't know what you know. 331dot (talk) 00:01, 25 May 2023 (UTC)

It's OK. I'm very sorry for my grouchy reply. I know you were trying to help and I appreciate that. —CurryTime7-24 (talk) 01:20, 25 May 2023 (UTC)

Can you post the URL? I don't know the answer to your question offhand but I could at least see if the URL works for someone without a login / with a different login. -- asilvering (talk) 01:22, 25 May 2023 (UTC)

Confused and dazed

I am curious about this. We have WP:CRYSTALBALL, however to me it seems to conflict with the following:

Future dates in |date= in CS1|2 citations are limited to current year + 1; that is, for 2023, citation dates in 2024 are acceptable but citation dates in 2025 and beyond are not.

This was taken directly from category:CS1 errors: dates.

If we cannot predict the future and even have a policy about not using it, then how can we possibly cite something that is not yet published a year out?

Thanks 2600:8801:CA05:EF00:B8AD:279A:C136:BF69 (talk) 01:35, 25 May 2023 (UTC)

I assume this is to allow for publications like magazines that may be dated in advance of when it actually becomes available. For example, the January 2024 issue may become available in December 2023. RudolfRed (talk) 01:44, 25 May 2023 (UTC)

Compare to The "access_date" param in the citations is for the actual date that it was accessed, so it is limited to today + one day to account for time zones. RudolfRed (talk) 01:46, 25 May 2023 (UTC)

Relatively common in academic books, too. -- asilvering (talk) 02:04, 25 May 2023 (UTC)

Citation amd references

Dear all, I made an article and was declined due to sources in references. How can I make it reliable in matter of citation and reference? TronPuzzle (talk) 03:20, 25 May 2023 (UTC)

Draft:Pol Corpas Cuatrecasas is the draft article. Karenthewriter (talk) 04:05, 25 May 2023 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Reliable sources is a long, but detailed guide on determining whether a source is reliable. I recommend you at least have a skim over it. Carpimaps ^{talk to me!} 05:05, 25 May 2023 (UTC)

@TronPuzzle: I've just answered this question at the AfC Help Desk (and noticed that you've also asked it on your own talk page). Please don't ask the same question everywhere, it just wastes volunteer time. Thank you. -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 05:57, 25 May 2023 (UTC)

help?

can you guys help me review a draft post? Dr.Rodriguez777 (talk) 06:55, 25 May 2023 (UTC)

Are you asking about your recently deleted creation, Dr.Rodriguez777? It didn't cite any sources, and therefore gave the reader no reason to believe anything that it said. -- Hoary (talk) 07:34, 25 May 2023 (UTC)

Hello, Dr.Rodriguez777, and welcome to the Teahouse. I can't seem to find a draft article created by you. However, I did manage to find a Speedy deletion request on your user talk page. It looks like your sandbox had an article draft on it that was deleted for containing too much self-promotion. Whilst I can't access your sandbox, I can presume that this was the "draft post" you are referring to. Wikipedia is not the place for unambiguous advertising or promotion. Check the links for more information. ContributeToTheWiki (talk) 07:33, 25 May 2023 (UTC)

Where is Schengen located

Where is Schengen located 182.160.110.130 (talk) 07:23, 25 May 2023 (UTC)

If only there were something like a free-access encyclopedia that provided such information! -- Hoary (talk) 07:29, 25 May 2023 (UTC)

Yes, wouldn't it be grand! Ariconte (talk) 07:54, 25 May 2023 (UTC)

Try Schengen Area. Ariconte (talk) 07:56, 25 May 2023 (UTC)

Try Schengen (disambiguation). -- Hoary (talk) 08:09, 25 May 2023 (UTC)

Need help on publishing an article

Hello, so I am writing an article on an energy drink, however I have received a notification of claiming if it is a paid contribution as it is against guidelines. How do I go about it as it is not paid? Wikiwriter-12023 (talk) 09:18, 25 May 2023 (UTC)

Wikiwriter-12023 Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. If you are not a paid editor, simply respond to the message you were given on your user talk page that you are not a paid editor. Note that "paid editor" is not limited to specific payment for edits; any paid relationship, like employment, triggers the disclosure requirement. Do you have any relationship with this drink?

Your draft was deleted as blatant promotion. Any article about it should not talk up the drink in a promotional manner, it should matter of factly summarize what independent reliable sources with significant coverage say about the drink, showing how it is notable as Wikipedia defines it. 331dot (talk) 09:32, 25 May 2023 (UTC)

Regarding Wikimedia commons

What would be the most appropriate way to source photo of a well known celebrity without infringing wikipedia rules Plkmehta (talk) 09:52, 25 May 2023 (UTC)

The easiest way is to take the image yourself. Commons only hosts "free" images, those with a license that permits reuse for any purpose with attribution. Random images on the internet are almost never acceptable. Do you have an association with this celebrity? 331dot (talk) 10:05, 25 May 2023 (UTC)

See WP:UPIMAGE. 331dot (talk) 10:06, 25 May 2023 (UTC)

Give suggestions/please review

Can someone review or give suggestions on my two arrticles?

1. Draft:Jathera (Shrine)

2. Draft:Bhai Satta ਗਿਆਨੀ ਪੁਰਸ਼ (talk) 13:37, 25 May 2023 (UTC)

ਗਿਆਨੀ ਪੁਰਸ਼ Hello and welcome. You have submitted your drafts for review, as it says at the top of your draft, there are thousands of drafts awaiting review by a limited number of volunteers. Please be patient. 331dot (talk) 13:51, 25 May 2023 (UTC)

ਗਿਆਨੀ ਪੁਰਸ਼: for 1, the lead should state that this is an Indian thing. For 2, the lead should state that he is Indian, and make clear what is meant by "/Doom". Maproom (talk) 14:32, 25 May 2023 (UTC)

"Murder of Tony Stanlake" article?

This was quite a well documented murder in Wellington, New Zealand. I'm wondering why it doesn't have it's own wiki page NOR even a single mention anywhere on relevant pages on Wikipedia. I have no idea how to get started adding an entire page but I think it deserves one. Pamelahoward (talk) 14:50, 25 May 2023 (UTC)

Hi @Pamelahoward, welcome to the Teahouse. There are two reasons why it might not have a page, or even a mention. The first is that no one has bothered to add one. Wikipedia is built by folks like you and me taking enough interest in something to write about it; possibly that just hasn't happened yet. The other possibility is that someone has tried to write about it, but wasn't able to find enough significant coverage about the case which had been published in independent, reliable, secondary sources (see WP:42). If you think that such coverage exists, and you can get your hands on it, then the best way to get information onto Wikipedia is to carefully read Help:Your first article and follow the instructions. 199.208.172.35 (talk) 14:57, 25 May 2023 (UTC)

Unconstructive?

Is https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:MobileDiff/1156869775 actually unconstructive per https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:MobileDiff/1156905147? Ivyaweoff (talk) 14:50, 25 May 2023 (UTC)

Hello, Ivyaweoff, and welcome to the Teahouse. As per WP:YT and WP:RSPYT, YouTube should generally be avoided as a source of information. If you wish to include your new information, consider finding an alternative, reliable source which supports it. ContributeToTheWiki (talk) 15:08, 25 May 2023 (UTC)

@Ivyaweoff, if someone reverts an edit you made, you should attempt to discuss things with them directly, either by posting on the article's talk page and pinging them to the discussion (the best option) or posting on their talk page. Adding such a laudatory sentence to the lead, sourced only to an interview, is very likely to be contentious. 199.208.172.35 (talk) 15:13, 25 May 2023 (UTC)