Talk:...Baby One More Time (album)

Requested move

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The result of the move request was: Move. Rough consensus that the song is the primary topic; it will be moved to this title. Cúchullain ^t/c 14:11, 18 January 2013 (UTC)

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...Baby One More Time → ...Baby One More Time (album) – The song is as popular as the album... right now. However, I still believe that the song is more popular than the album in Wikipedia because... statistics of album may drop if it is disambiguated. Look at Doctor Zhivago (novel); when it was disambiguated from Doctor Zhivago, the stats drastically declined. Same goes for My Sister's Keeper (novel), renamed from My Sister's Keeper. --George Ho (talk) 21:29, 25 December 2012 (UTC)

• Support it's pretty obvious that it's the song that's primary, since it's the song that got playtime, not the entire album, and the song video is the thing that generated controversy, along with the lyrics of the song. -- 65.92.180.225 (talk) 23:02, 26 December 2012 (UTC)
• Support: The song is definitely the primary topic. Unreal7 (talk) 14:33, 31 December 2012 (UTC)
• Unsure. This is generally not done, usually, it doesn't matter, the album is the main topic and the song is directed at (song). I'm not convinced.  — Statυs (talk, contribs) 22:59, 2 January 2013 (UTC)

• I did not say that "(song)" should be primary. I said that it may be more popular, but you get the idea. --George Ho (talk) 03:14, 3 January 2013 (UTC)

• Oh, I was under that impression. Than what would ...Baby One More Time be?  — Statυs (talk, contribs) 03:15, 3 January 2013 (UTC)

• Album should not be primary, so it can be two-disambiguation page for a while until someone proposes that a song be primary. --George Ho (talk) 04:05, 4 January 2013 (UTC)
• If proposal is approved, then we may convert the redirect page Baby One More Time into a disambiguation page and make ...Baby One More Time a redirect. --George Ho (talk) 03:22, 5 January 2013 (UTC)

• I disagree with having a two-disambiguation page, as that is usually frowned upon. I think this should be adjusted to include the song, and see what everyone thinks about making the song the primary topic.  — Statυs (talk, contribs) 23:23, 5 January 2013 (UTC)

• There are Hit Me, Baby, One More Time and ...Baby One More Time Tour. --George Ho (talk) 00:02, 6 January 2013 (UTC)
• If you want the song to be primary topic, go ahead and then say it. However, I still don't see either as overcoming one another. In fact, real numbers of album could be 400 or 200 per day. --George Ho (talk) 06:29, 15 January 2013 (UTC)

• I'm still unsure about this... You really could argue that the song is the primary topic, but at the same time, the album did sell more than the single did. But I do think something like Dance Again (disambiguation) needs to be done, to cover in the tour and the TV show.  — Statυs (talk, contribs) 03:41, 17 January 2013 (UTC)

• Support. Although typically the album is the main topic, I find the proposal to be more useful and clear for the readers. Thankyou. Till 04:17, 17 January 2013 (UTC)
• Keep as it is. The song will always be popular because it is a single, but it would be the same as saying that we should move Oops!... I Did It Again to Oops!... I Did It Again because the song is more notable. Same could be said for Like a Prayer. The song Like a Prayer (song) is more notable than the album, still, the article wasn't moved. There are many other cases such as Like a Virgin, Sound of the Underground, etc. - Saulo ^{Talk to Me} 11:48, 17 January 2013 (UTC)

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Voice and performance

"Spears possesses a soprano vocal range" statement -

Is this a joke? --Lapadite77 (talk) 03:38, 10 May 2014 (UTC)

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best selling debut album by a solo artist

Somebody has deleted that the album is the "best selling debut album by a solo artist" (ever - male or female). With this references. The RIAA gold and platinum list and the next ones:

https://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2014/01/10/britney-spears-baby-one-more-time_n_4574929.html

https://www.elle.com/fashion/g18431/britney-spears-fashion-history/?slide=3

https://www.msn.com/en-us/music/gallery/the-business-of-being-britney-spears/ss-AAAFzTc?index=45#image=3

https://live.wtmx.com/listen/artist/45a663b5-b1cb-4a91-bff6-2bef7bbfdd76?slide=14

--Losigro (talk) 06:31, 12 November 2018 (UTC)

Requested move 13 November 2020

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The result of the move request was: Not moved as there is no primary topic. — Wug·a·po·des​ 04:02, 22 November 2020 (UTC) — Wug·a·po·des​ 04:02, 22 November 2020 (UTC)

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...Baby One More Time (album) → ...Baby One More Time – The album shouldn't need a qualifier. Like most other albums with title tracks. Whitevenom187 (talk) 14:51, 13 November 2020 (UTC)

This is a contested technical request (permalink). GeoffreyT2000 (talk) 17:28, 13 November 2020 (UTC)

• "...Baby One More Time (album)" does not seem to be the primary topic. Other links are also associated with "...Baby One More Time", so this needs further discussion. Seventyfiveyears (talk) 14:58, 13 November 2020 (UTC)

Everything on Baby One More Time (disambiguation) has to do with the album in some way: the title track, the tour for the album, and a show that uses the song lyric for its name. So, it only makes sense to me to change the name and add a note via Template:About, like Highway to Hell or Future Nostalgia. Whitevenom187 (talk) 17:52, 13 November 2020 (UTC)

• Oppose – the small difference of the ellipsis is not a great way to distinguish. The current title is less ambiguous. Dicklyon (talk) 03:12, 14 November 2020 (UTC)
• Oppose. As the nom pointed out, the dab page includes the album, the track and the tour. This is exactly why we don't have a primary topic. --Gonnym (talk) 10:55, 14 November 2020 (UTC)
  • There are plenty of albums that have title tracks, and tours with the same name. Those albums are primary topics: Dangerous Woman, The Velvet Rope, Off the Wall. I really barely see an album, especially a number-one album, not the primary topic when the disambiguation page is so scant.Whitevenom187 (talk) 22:20, 14 November 2020 (UTC)
    • WP:OTHERSTUFFEXISTS. --Gonnym (talk) 00:14, 15 November 2020 (UTC)
      • Whitevenom187, there are plenty of examples where the song is the primary topic instead of the album – see below. Richard3120 (talk) 18:33, 15 November 2020 (UTC)
• Support per comments made by Whitevenom187, the album is primary topic. The Dangerous Woman example is perfect because there is an album article, a song article, a tour article, and other articles not related to the album, yet the album is the primary topic. The exact same case applies here. There are album, song and tour articles, and other articles not related to the album. So I support the move. D🐶ggy54321 ^{(let's chat!)} 23:45, 14 November 2020 (UTC)
  • Just because the Dangerous Woman album is the primary topic doesn't mean the ...Baby One More Time should automatically be the primary topic here – it all depends on views and searches. There are plenty of cases where the title track is the primary topic, because it is far better known and searched for than its parent album of the same name... for example. "Hotel California", "My Generation" and "Wichita Lineman". Richard3120 (talk) 18:33, 15 November 2020 (UTC)
    • I challenge the assumption that the "My Generation" song is the primary topic, so I recently requested a move. --George Ho (talk) 10:34, 16 November 2020 (UTC)
• Whitevenom187, see #Requested move. The article page was moved to its proper title in 2013. Seventyfiveyears (talk) 13:26, 15 November 2020 (UTC)
  • The consensus in 2013 was that the song should be the primary topic. As of now, the primary topic is a dab page. Everything on the dab page relates to the album or song in some way. I'm in favor of the song being made the primary topic too if that's preferred. It makes more sense to make the album the primary topic because that seems to be the norm, but "Baby One More Time" is not used so much that it needs to be the primary topic of a dab page. Whitevenom187 (talk) 13:40, 15 November 2020 (UTC)
    • But since 2015 discussion, the song doesn't qualify as primary topic. --George Ho (talk) 09:47, 16 November 2020 (UTC)
• Oppose We've been here before, song and album roughly equal in views + GBook mentions so there is no primary topic. In ictu oculi (talk) 18:04, 15 November 2020 (UTC)
• Oppose - As the one who initiated RM discussions in 2013 and 2015, I still oppose deeming either the album or the song the primary topic. If that's not enough, stats of the last 90 days and of this year can convince you. If merely looking at the totals, the song may have been viewed more than the album. However, hover around the dailies, and you'll see that their differences aren't big enough to consider one the primary topic over the other. George Ho (talk) 09:47, 16 November 2020 (UTC)
  • That is understandable, however it is undeniable that someone searching "Baby One More Time" is looking for the album or the song, usually always. It is very easy to get to the song's page from the album and vice versa, with or without a hatnote. Like Randy Kryn said in the request you made about My Generation, leading every reader to the dab page is excessive. That also goes for every conversation that's gone on before this: Like a Virgin, Like a Prayer. Per WP:TWODABS and the argument multiple people had at the 2015 discussion, these dab pages don't need to be the primary topic. Just because there are two extremely notable pages with the same title does not mean they should both have a qualifier. We have hatnotes for a reason. We have WP:TWODABS for a reason. Whitevenom187 (talk) 17:28, 16 November 2020 (UTC)
    • Recently, the majority as of date at an RM discussion that I recently made disagrees about The Man Who Sold the World having a primary topic, saying that neither the song nor the album is the primary topic of that name. Furthermore, WP:TWODABS says implicitly that every base name is subjective and that not every title has a primary topic. Have you thoroughly read that guideline? BTW, there is one vote on "My Generation" as of date; other votes will likely come around. --George Ho (talk) 18:13, 16 November 2020 (UTC)
    • Furthermore, the WP:TWODABS today was different from 2013 and 2015 versions when those discussions occurred. George Ho (talk) 21:07, 20 November 2020 (UTC)
• Oppose per the comments made above, especially by George Ho. To argue the album is more distinguishable than the other pages at the disambiguate page is debatable. livelikemusic (TALK!) 15:03, 16 November 2020 (UTC)

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WW Sales

... Baby One More Time album has officially sold worldwide by now at least +30 million copies. The +25 million copies worldwide is a very outdated number cause the album sold that by the end of 2000 year.

RIAA latest update of this album is in 2004 when it was certified x14 Platinum and don't forget that ... Baby One More Time was already Diamond (x11 Platinum) after ONLY ONE YEAR SINCE THE RELEASE DATE in january 1999. 88.7.36.115 (talk) 12:10, 3 July 2022 (UTC)

We only care for reliable sources, which you have brought none. --Muhandes (talk) 15:46, 7 July 2022 (UTC)