Talk:Saint Giles

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Catalan content

I have removed the following sentence as not being useful for readers in English language Wikipedia:

There is a very old song in Catalan San Gil: "San Gil n'ere un diumentge de l'any 1810 Fan festa a Garigueille per lo glorios San Gil ....Es ben apropriat Lo Gran San Gil Abat: Fa bé per mal d'orel.les, fa bé per mal de cap".

If an English translation can be provided, that might be worth including. I am unable to tell what this song is about or if its content is worth mentioning, even without a translation. - Banyan Tree 21:56, 21 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Two Saint Giles

Saint Giles, Abbot........ there were two...... and both are confused in the article page......

Saint Giles commemorated by Martyrology of Bede and Ado is of the end of the seventh century..... 1st of September.....

....."some by mistake, have confounded this saint with one Giles, whom St. Caesarius made abbot of a monastery near the walls of Arles and who was sent to Rome in 514.... "

MacOfJesus (talk) 09:14, 1 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Accuracy

"Giles first lived in retreats near the mouth of the Rhône and by the River Gard, in Septimania, today's southern France. The story that he was the son of King Theodore and Queen Pelagia of Athens[3] is probably an embellishment of his early hagiographers; it was given wide currency in the Legenda Aurea (Golden Legend). The two main incidents in his life were often depicted in art."

Not only does the main body list him living first in Septimania and not Athens, but there was no Kingdom of Athens at this time, in fact not for another roughly 6 centuries until the Fourth Crusade. There was only the Eastern Roman Empire. wut?--Sıgehelmus (Talk) |д=) 17:48, 28 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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Requested move 13 April 2022

The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

The result of the move request was: no consensus to move. Discussion has died down after having been open for a month with one relisting. The majority of !votes favor the WP:COMMONNAME policy over the MOS:SAINTS guideline. Favonian (talk) 13:11, 13 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Saint Giles → Giles the Hermit – Per the clergy guideline WP:NCWC that discourages the use of 'Saint' unless it is the only viable option for disambiguation. ~ Iskandar323 (talk) 19:02, 13 April 2022 (UTC) — Relisting. Extraordinary Writ (talk) 05:11, 25 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Addendum The specifically relevant section of the guideline is MOS:SAINTS and I encourage all those voting to take the time to familiarize themselves with this if they are not already familiar, as well as to look at Category:Christian saints from the New Testament and see how consistently this guideline is applied. WP:COMMONNAME is not the overriding policy function for biographies of religious figures. Iskandar323 (talk) 05:09, 14 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose. Not a viable option for a saint best known as a namesake. Srnec (talk) 02:35, 14 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose fails WP:COMMONNAME, as he is hardly ever called this. Johnbod (talk) 04:18, 14 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Support after reading through the links on the addendum. AdrianHObradors (talk) 08:51, 14 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose clarity trumps consistency. Manannan67 (talk) 07:00, 26 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Support as MOS:SAINTS states, saint is not neutral and other forms of disambiguation are preferred. Hermit is a perfect title. --StellarNerd (talk) 03:44, 3 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Plenty of precedent for the occasional use of non-neutral honorifics, i.e. Gautama Buddha and Mahatma Gandhi. Srnec (talk) 14:30, 3 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose. Should probably have been a multi-move with Talk:Saint Denis of Paris#Requested move 13 April 2022. The same interpretation of WP:NCWC (to which the various relevant MOS shortcuts all redirect) is being used here. But that's not the way I think it reads at all, and certainly doesn't trump recognisability and common usage. Andrewa (talk) 15:07, 4 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose. I only see 5 total Google hits and 2 Google Books hits for "Giles the Hermit" without "Saint", implying that the proposed title is not widely recognizable. Dekimasuよ! 04:29, 7 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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