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How may I create an article?

This may come off as stupid, but how can I create one? Cyb3rstarzzz (talk) 14:38, 2 July 2024 (UTC)

Hi @Cyb3rstarzzz, reading WP:Your First Article should teach you all you need to know to get started. 👍 Ca ^{talk to me!} 14:51, 2 July 2024 (UTC)

Users of all experience levels--beginner like you or veteran like me--are encouraged to use the Articles for Creation (AFC) process, which also provides the Article Wizard to start things off. If you need help with sources, talk to someone with WP:Library access (me included) or at WP:Reliable sources/Noticeboard, and they'll help you out. Also, what Ca linked to earlier on. --Slgrandson (How's my egg-throwing coleslaw?) 16:48, 4 July 2024 (UTC)

What is the notable (lots of secondary sources) subject that you wish to write about? 98.248.161.240 (talk) 03:06, 6 July 2024 (UTC)

Question about sources

Hi everyone,

I created a page Draft:Left Angle and it was initially declined for the sources, so I read the information about in-depth, reliable, secondary, and independent sources and resubmitted the article with new sources a few times but it keeps getting rejected.

I really want to get it right and have even used the template below to try and organize and analyze the sources in accordance with Wikipedia's guidelines. Could someone help me better understand which of my sources (if not all of them) don't meet the requirements and why? Since I don't know if they just all don't meet the requirements or if some are ok, I would like to continue to work and improve on the article starting with the ones that are deemed ok.

Thank you!

p.s. I have attached the source assess template below but it does not display correctly :/ sorry

Source assessment table: prepared by User:Example

Source	Independent?	Reliable?	Significant coverage?	Count source toward GNG?
https://www.presences-grenoble.fr/actualites-start-grenoble/left-angle-le-compositing-portee-de-tous.htm	Physical and online magazine article. Magazine is informational; no sponsorship	Published by Grenoble Chamber of Commerce and Industry	Significant coverage provides an overview and description of the company in accordance with Wikipedia terms	✔ Yes
https://www.cgchannel.com/2023/01/check-out-next-gen-motion-design-and-vfx-tool-autograph/	Website provides independent reporting and reviews - no affiliates or sponsored articles	Published online news coverage	Significant in-depth coverage provides an overview, description, and commentary on the company and product	✔ Yes
https://www.pids-enghien.fr/genie-awards-2015/?lang=en	Official website for the awards event	Official website for the awards event	Published information includes event and award description with photo of company member with the award	✔ Yes
https://mediakwest.com/les-laureats-de-la-1ere-edition-des-digital-creation-genie-awards/	Online magazine for audiovisual professionals; not sponsored	Published online news content	Published information includes event and award description with photo of company member with the award	✔ Yes
https://biotechinfo.fr/article/france-2030-241-laureats-recompenses-lors-de-la-ceremonie-2021-2022-des-concours-dinnovation-de-letat/	Online published collection of in-depth articles on science and society; no affiliation or sponsorship	Online published collection of in-depth articles on science and society	Article provides an in-depth description of award type the company received	✔ Yes
https://www.entreprises.gouv.fr/fr/france-2030/concours-d-innovation-trois-volets-i-phd-i-lab-et-i-nov	Official government website for research & development and innovation awards	Published government website	In-depth description description of award type the company received	✔ Yes
https://origin.80.lv/articles/autograph-motion-design-visual-effects-tool/	Article was not sponsored	Article published by a global digital content publishing network	Significant in-depth coverage provides an overview and description of the company and product	✔ Yes
https://beforesandafters.com/2023/06/19/the-left-angle-founders-discuss-new-comp-and-mograph-tool-autograph/	Podcast not sponsored by Left Angle or distributors	Online, podcast and print publication dedicated to VFX, animation, CG, games and virtual production run by longtime industry	In-depth feature and description of the company and product	✔ Yes
https://www.cgchannel.com/2023/03/left-angle-launches-autograph-creator/	Website provides independent reporting and reviews - no affiliates or sponsored articles	Published online news coverage	Significant in-depth coverage provides an overview, description, and commentary on the company and product.	✔ Yes
https://www.xda-developers.com/best-alternatives-to-popular-adobe-apps/	Article not sponsored	Computing publication	~ Lengthy article featuring alternatives to Adobe products with a short feature on Autograph	~ Partial
https://www.cgchannel.com/2023/12/left-angle-releases-autograph-2023-11/	Website provides independent reporting and reviews - no affiliates or sponsored articles	Published online news coverage	Significant in-depth coverage provides an overview, description, and commentary on the company and product.	✔ Yes
This table may not be a final or consensus view; it may summarize developing consensus, or reflect assessments of a single editor. Created using {{source assess table}}.

Nanou41 (talk) 20:12, 2 July 2024 (UTC)

Fixed syntax of the table. See also Template:Source assess#Example. —⁠andrybak (talk) 20:19, 2 July 2024 (UTC)

The sources in the table match the references in the draft version declined by the most recent reviewer. David notMD (talk) 20:38, 2 July 2024 (UTC)

The awards are minor (two refs), and the last four refs are about the software, not the company, hence do not contribute to establish the notability of the company. All in all, this is probably too soon (WP:TOOSOON). David notMD (talk) 20:43, 2 July 2024 (UTC)

Thanks for your reply. Ok that makes sense since the last four focus and say more on the product rather than the company.

Initially I saw a draft article someone started on the product Draft:Left Angle Autograph which appeared to have been rejected several times a few months ago and I added edits to it (waiting to see if it gets approved). Do you think these are valid for that product page? Nanou41 (talk) 19:21, 3 July 2024 (UTC)

Thank you so much for this! Nanou41 (talk) 19:07, 3 July 2024 (UTC)

Draft:Left Angle Autograph was Declined (not Rejected, which is a more severe action) for the reasons given. Given the newness of the company and its software, the references in both drafts do not appear to meet Wikipedia criteria as set out in WP:42. David notMD (talk) 14:53, 4 July 2024 (UTC)

What, if any, is your personal connection to Left Angle? David notMD (talk) 15:03, 4 July 2024 (UTC)

I’m a motion designer looking for a new software to use and came across a comment mentioning this company I had never heard of. Then I looked it up and liked what I saw but while looking it up I noticed it didn’t have any wikipedia page (except the product page but I’m still learning about it) so I made this one. Our industry is a bit of a mess right now for several reasons (among which the government is actually suing the company who’s software I use atm) and a lot of motion designers are looking into options so I want to make sure we have access to any information that can help us find tools. Nanou41 (talk) 16:47, 4 July 2024 (UTC)

Oh yeah sorry, “declined” is the word I meant to write.

Ok. In that case, I think it would be very helpful if Wikipedia also added a “minimum time in existence” or a “minimum times mentioned publicly” condition to their guidelines because it would be a lot easier to understand their reasoning. There is a big difference imo between a source not meeting requirements in itself (reliable, independent, in-depth, secondary) and a page being declined simply because they want the company to be mentioned more in general. Nanou41 (talk) 16:46, 4 July 2024 (UTC)

Lyrics in article

Are lyrics allowed in song articles? I know a guide to line dancing songs such as Cha Cha Slide is not allowed as Wikipedia isn't a guide. Cwater1 (talk) 21:00, 2 July 2024 (UTC)

Generally not, as they are copyrighted. More information is available at MOS:LYRICS and WP:LYRICS. Some portions can be used for analysis and illustrating specific points, but not the whole song. LizardJr8 (talk) 21:37, 2 July 2024 (UTC)

Ahh, I see, makes sense. We don't want to do something unauthorized. Thanks for the help. I was wondering. Cwater1 (talk) 22:10, 2 July 2024 (UTC)

I can see a rare exception in the event that a particular line or verse takes on cultural significance. MinorRefiner (talk) 13:38, 5 July 2024 (UTC)

Aragonese isn't spanish

The @ was first used in Aragon, in an aragonese text (the Taula de Ariza). Not in spanish, aragonese, yet it was discriminated against by JMF, who belives Aragonese to be a simple dialect of Spanish.

At sign this is the page where it is wrongly claimed the Taula de Ariza is spanish and here User talk:JJBBSS 02 is where JMF discriminates against Aragonese. JJBBSS 02 (talk) 09:23, 3 July 2024 (UTC)

The current edition of the article appears to correctly identify the document as having been written in Aragonese. This appears to be a content dispute over the "has commonly been used in X,Y,Z", where JMF is not suggesting that the terms are interchangeable but that Spanish deserves the weight in that sentence, which I'd concur with. Its not so much about leaving in Aragonese, but that leaving out Spanish would be an odd choice. -- D'n'B-t -- 09:56, 3 July 2024 (UTC)

And the whole "Spanish Taula de Ariza" which isn't spanish? JJBBSS 02 (talk) 14:50, 5 July 2024 (UTC)

I don't think anyone reading that far would think that 'Spanish' in that context was referring to the Spanish language. -- D'n'B-t -- 16:34, 5 July 2024 (UTC)

Recent contributions have been undone because they did not appear constructive?

Hi there,

I would like to find out why I'm getting this message?

"Hello, I'm TornadoLGS. I wanted to let you know that one or more of your recent contributions to Bill Gibson (music producer) have been undone because they did not appear constructive. If you would like to experiment, please use your sandbox. If you have any questions, you can ask for assistance at the Teahouse or the Help desk. Thanks. TornadoLGS (talk) 17:57, 3 June 2024 (UTC)"

I was hoping to place me entire history of my old life and new life in JESUS CHRIST on Wikipedia but I cant seem to find the right way of marking it up.

- Human genealogy project - Christian Life to give hope in Jesus Christ - The LORD has really put on my heart to write this article, what must I do to better write the article (tools etc.)?

Kind regards, Reinhard Behrens 102.182.3.200 (talk) 09:31, 3 July 2024 (UTC)

I presume this is a logged out edit by User talk:ReinhardGBehrens1977. Theroadislong (talk) 09:39, 3 July 2024 (UTC)

First of all, please log in when editing. I'm not sure I understand your original question, but your edit is considered hijacking and is prohibited. '''[[User:CanonNi]]''' (talk • contribs) 09:52, 3 July 2024 (UTC)

And for the record Wikipedia has zero interest in your "entire history of my old life and new life in JESUS CHRIST" UNLESS it has been reported on with significant coverage in multiple reliable independent sources. Theroadislong (talk) 10:08, 3 July 2024 (UTC)

Here is the set of your edits that, as TornadoLGS said (with remarkable understatement), "did not appear constructive". What must you do "to better write the article" presenting the "entire history of [your] old life and new life in JESUS CHRIST"? First step: Find some other website for the purpose. -- Hoary (talk) 11:51, 3 July 2024 (UTC)

 Courtesy link: Wikipedia:Directory of alternative outlets '''[[User:CanonNi]]''' (talk • contribs) 12:11, 3 July 2024 (UTC)

Since I was pinged here, I reverted the edit because it seemed to be a partial hijacking of the article. That is, you were changing to content to be about a different person of the same name. However, I went with a milder warning because you had only, thus far, changed a small part of the article. If you are notable, then the content would need to go under a separate article. But if your only intention is to write about your personal religious journey, it's pretty close to certain that you aren't notable and Wikipedia is not a place to write your autobiography. Take a look at the link in the comment above for more suitable places to share your story. TornadoLGS (talk) 21:00, 3 July 2024 (UTC)

Request for Analysis and Improvement Suggestions for Wikipedia Draft on Shri Dharm Paul

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I hope this email finds you well. My name is Kunal Masson, and I am working on creating a Wikipedia article about Shri Dharm Paul. He was a notable figure who passed away in 1990, and unfortunately, there is limited information and references about him available on the internet. I have drafted an article based on the available information, but I am seeking your assistance to review the draft and provide feedback on any mistakes or areas that need improvement. As I aim to adhere to Wikipedia's guidelines and standards, your expert advice will be invaluable. Given the scarcity of online references, I have relied on printed materials and personal accounts to compile the draft. I understand the importance of verifiability and reliable sources on Wikipedia and would appreciate any suggestions on how to better source the information or improve the article's credibility. Please find the draft attached to this email for your review. Thank you very much for your time and assistance. I look forward to your feedback and suggestions.

Best regards,

Kunal Masson

Draft Link:- https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Shri_Dharm_Paul Kunalmasson (talk) 11:12, 3 July 2024 (UTC)

@Kunalmasson: Please be patient. Articles for Creation's reviewers will get to it when they can. That being said, you will have to find independent, reliable sources to support information in your draft. Print sources are fine, but personal accounts are not going to help you establish notability. If there aren't enough reliable sources about Shri Dharm Paul, then he may not be notable enough for a Wikipedia article about him. Please see the first decline reason in the draft. Cheers ‍Relativity ⚡️ 11:29, 3 July 2024 (UTC)

Quote: Is. So that all suffering and destitute people can experience their sorrow and deprivation and help them with compassion and love.When a true and selfless resolution arises in the mind of a person and he discharges that resolution with full faith and discipline, then this mission becomes a manifestation of God Himself and God Himself takes charge of this work. The continuous growth and development of Sunshine Charity Trust is a living proof of this. According to which reliable source? -- Hoary (talk) 11:54, 3 July 2024 (UTC)

@Kunalmasson: you asked this at the AfC help desk, and I answered. You then came here to ask the same question. And then you went back to the AfC help desk to ask the same again. Generally it would be preferred if you asked only at one venue, and read the reply before asking again. This would enable us to provide help more efficiently and without duplicating efforts. -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 13:09, 3 July 2024 (UTC)

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Use of a self-published newsletter for proof of affiliation?

On the page regarding the activist Carlos Fernandes, I used the newsletter from the AIDS and Rights Alliance for Southern Africa (ARASA) to prove he had affiliation with that organization. Is this use of a self-published source ok? I figured a source from the organization itself would be able to support whether or not he had any affiliation with them. On the identifying self-published works page it says "A self-published work may be used as a source when the statement concerns the source itself." Would that be applicable in this situation? Thanks. Urchincrawler (talk) 17:00, 3 July 2024 (UTC)

Hello Urchincrawler. I would say no. Including such an affiliation in Carlos Fernandes is not primarily a statement about the source but about Fernandes, and in my few should be included only if it is supported by an independent source. ColinFine (talk) 23:24, 3 July 2024 (UTC)

Alright thanks. Urchincrawler (talk) 15:54, 4 July 2024 (UTC)

Possible 'new knowledge' post

I have the forum post cleaned up as an article to be posted. the forum post can be looked at(see below).

I have possible 'new knowledge' and am trying to get this knowledge

out to the public.

https://www.mathisfunforum.com/viewforum.php?id=2 then look for

“Possible ‘new knowledge’ by woodturner550

Is this proper to post and any guidance would be helpful. Woodturner550 (talk) 17:46, 3 July 2024 (UTC)

No original research is allowed here. Your forum post is best disseminated on some other more suitable platform actively soliciting such material. Rotideypoc41352 (talk · contribs) 18:07, 3 July 2024 (UTC)

You may also be interested to know that your idea is not really new; using a clock as a source of random numbers is a well-known technique, but is rarely used in cryptographic applications because it produces very poor quality random numbers. The output of a clock is pretty predictable except for a small number of bits at the low end. See our article Random number generation which says "They are often initialized using a computer's real-time clock as the seed, since such a clock is 64 bit and measures in nanoseconds, far beyond the person's precision. These functions may provide enough randomness for certain tasks (for example video games) but are unsuitable where high-quality randomness is required, such as in cryptography applications, or statistics." CodeTalker (talk) 16:34, 4 July 2024 (UTC)

I understand your point. You have not seen the output and you have already JUDGED this as nothing! If you want to see the supporting data email me. Cannot be a impartial judge of 'new knowledge' until you study the data. It is easy to say something but years of work to understand real random numbers.

Thanks for your comment.

woodturner550 204.195.24.212 (talk) 17:12, 4 July 2024 (UTC)

RealMRCarty

im trying to put myself as a artist for my fans to know more about me and would like the help of making this happen Jonathan Carty (talk) 19:43, 3 July 2024 (UTC)

Hi @Jonathan Carty. Absolutely not. Wikipedia is an encyclopaedia of notable topics, not an advertising platform. Please go elsewhere to promote yourself. Qcne (talk) 20:00, 3 July 2024 (UTC)

Teahosue Hosts are here to advise, not be co-authors. And beware of commercial cites that promise to get drafts accepted - most of those are scams. Wikipedia advises against attempts at autobiography (see WP:AUTO) and definitely does not exist for promotional efforts. Your draft was Speedy Deleted. If you are truely famous, in time a person with no connection to you will submit a draft about you. David notMD (talk) 03:25, 4 July 2024 (UTC)

well good day to you also im not trying to promote myself, im trying to put my life on black & white not promote so next time you speak to me know how your speaking because there many people also on wikipedia . as humans 87.214.89.24 (talk) 20:41, 4 July 2024 (UTC)

Use of DMCA protected material.

Hi! I'm looking to upload an image for an article that is protected by DMCA. I read the DMCA policy, which states that nonprofit library, archive and educational institutions are exempt, but I want to confirm the use of these images, and how I should upload them. Thanks, Lordseriouspig 22:19, 3 July 2024 (UTC)

@Lordseriouspig: Non-free image use rules are at WP:NFCC. All criteria must be met to use a non-free image. RudolfRed (talk) 23:13, 3 July 2024 (UTC)

What to do with ongoing aggressive editing?

I don't know whether to call it edit warring, but the 2024 Parliament of Kenya assault page is undergoing quick changes (and lots of reverts).

From what I can tell, some user is using multiple IPs to vandalize the Wikipedia page linked above. User:Wiiformii and User:Thegreatluigi are currently "defending" the page. LucasR muteacc (talk) 23:17, 3 July 2024 (UTC)

Update - just saw the request for page protection. I think this is a viable strategy for now. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Requests_for_page_protection#2024_Parliament_of_Kenya_assault LucasR muteacc (talk) 23:23, 3 July 2024 (UTC)

The IP user has already been reported to Wikipedia:Administrator_intervention_against_vandalism RudolfRed (talk) 23:27, 3 July 2024 (UTC)

Alumnae

Another editor and I have a disagreement over at Wells College's talk page. There is a section on significant alums. the other editor wants them to have links supporting their significance; whereas I think that simply already having a Wikipedia entry is sufficient. What is the policy? Thanks. Kdammers (talk) 00:31, 4 July 2024 (UTC)

That talk page does not exist. Is there a typo in the link? Bduke (talk) 00:39, 4 July 2024 (UTC)

Yes, I left off the S on Wells. I've added it. Kdammers (talk) 01:59, 4 July 2024 (UTC)

Talk:Wells College. As Category:Wells College people already lists faculty and alumnae, unannotated lists would be pointless. I'd say that yes, each annotated entry should be referenced. -- Hoary (talk) 01:17, 4 July 2024 (UTC)

@Kdammers Please see WP:ALUMNI for the policy. Shantavira|^{feed me} 08:31, 4 July 2024 (UTC)

But WP:ALUMNI is about articles about secondary schools, not tertiary ed. -- Hoary (talk) 11:08, 4 July 2024 (UTC)

@Hoary: Does it specifically say that? I can only see "school" which also applies to colleges and universities in the US, and some teaching universities or colleges in the UK and elsewhere. Bazza 7 (talk) 12:33, 4 July 2024 (UTC)

It's part of Wikipedia:WikiProject Schools/Article advice. Take a look at the very first paragraph of that page. (What's written elsewhere about tertiary education may for all I know be the same. Perhaps I should check, but I plead laziness.) -- Hoary (talk) 12:44, 4 July 2024 (UTC)

@Hoary: Thanks. I've heard "alumni" or "alumnae" (here in the UK) applied to universities and colleges (e.g. [1]); the more recent trend for secondary schools or their equivalent to use it is inconsistent and less common. Bazza 7 (talk) 12:56, 4 July 2024 (UTC)

The alumni article is not clear on this point as far as I can understand it. Although it refers to secondary-education institutions, the advice in schools/article advice (note: not directive) includes this: " When alumni have their own articles in mainspace, it is not necessary for their notability to be referenced." so, it seems to me references are not needed for alumnae with Wikipedia articles. I looked at a few schools (Lawrence University, Beloit College, Reed College), and saw that most of the alumni have refs for the first two but none for the third. Kdammers (talk) 03:50, 6 July 2024 (UTC)

Madison also tea What are they

Madisanal teas need list of them I'm morman no caffeine elder christopher 2603:8001:48F0:3110:9986:AC11:1AA6:DFC5 (talk) 05:50, 4 July 2024 (UTC)

Hello, Elder Christopher! I think you're referring to medicinal teas (non-caffeinated list here). You're currently on a Wikipedia page designed for asking questions about editing Wikipedia, so if you're looking for more information, you might try the Reference Desk, where you can ask more general questions not specific to the encyclopedia. Happy editing! Perfect4th (talk) 05:57, 4 July 2024 (UTC)

My first comment is that the Teahouse is intended for asking and answering questions about editing Wikipedia. That being said, you may be asking about "medicinal teas". Thar topic is covered at Herbal tea. You may also find Mormon foodways to be of interest. Cullen328 (talk) 06:01, 4 July 2024 (UTC)

How can I submit a Wikipedia:Deletion review without being able to post to the talkpage of the remover?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Drmies is restricted but the process of Wikipedia:Deletion review requires I post on User_talk:Drmies as Drmies was the remover of the page. The page deleted is "Down-ball" Rockycape (talk) 06:43, 4 July 2024 (UTC)

Hereby pinging Drmies. (If anyone's interested, this is about Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Down-ball, closed today.) -- Hoary (talk) 07:23, 4 July 2024 (UTC)

Why does en.wikipedia lack the pro-Palestinian banners present on ar.wikipedia?

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Pretty self explanatory question. 2600:1700:5661:3810:5834:66AC:5413:F3DB (talk) 12:50, 4 July 2024 (UTC)

Because the en and ar language Wikipedia are totally separate projects with no relation. Qcne (talk) 12:59, 4 July 2024 (UTC)

Probably for the same reason that it does not have pro-Israel banners. Or pro-Russia or pro-Ukraine banners. Or pro-China or pro-Taiwan banners. Or pro-China or pro-Vietnam/Philippines banners. And reasonable people will be glad for all of that. Uporządnicki (talk) 13:17, 4 July 2024 (UTC)

Same non-profit organization though. 2600:1700:5661:3810:5834:66AC:5413:F3DB (talk) 14:23, 4 July 2024 (UTC)

Actually it appears wikipedia is one project from what I'm reading. How do you explain why its a 'separate project with zero relation' simply based on language difference? Pretty bullshit answer Qcne. 2600:1700:5661:3810:5834:66AC:5413:F3DB (talk) 14:33, 4 July 2024 (UTC)

Please don't make personal attacks. Different Wikipedias, while largely similar, operate independently, despite all being owned by the Wikimedia Foundation. Most editors who edit here have never made a single edit on Wikipedias in other languages. '''[[User:CanonNi]]''' (talk • contribs) 14:36, 4 July 2024 (UTC)

And you know that donation banner hits every fucking language. ROFL. 2600:1700:5661:3810:5834:66AC:5413:F3DB (talk) 14:34, 4 July 2024 (UTC)

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Lyrics

Hi!

I want to add lyrics in Dayar-e-shauq mera, but due to copyright issue, I can't. can anyone help me with this issue? Youknow? (talk) 13:12, 4 July 2024 (UTC)

Short of all of us getting elected to our various national legislative bodies and changing the copyright laws, I'm not sure how we can do that. Uporządnicki (talk) 13:20, 4 July 2024 (UTC)

Relevant links (as seen in a similar recent thread here): MOS:LYRICS and WP:LYRICS. --Slgrandson (How's my egg-throwing coleslaw?) 18:20, 4 July 2024 (UTC)

Watervliet

At this page, under “history” where the paragraph starts “As of February 2020…” there’s information about the police chiefs. I tried to add a page “Joseph L Centanni” that which would be a clickable link with additional information. I tried to use the tutorial to add it but it didn’t work. That said, I tried to link to the page but it still is not a “clean” look. Can you give me advice on how to fix it?

) TY!

Dcent0514 (talk) 16:14, 4 July 2024 (UTC)

Page link: Watervliet, New York Dcent0514 (talk) 16:14, 4 July 2024 (UTC)

Hello, Dcent0514. We do not currently have an article on Joseph L. Centanni, so you cannot add a Wikilink to it. If you believe that Centanni meets Wikipedia's criteria for notability, so that there could be an article written about him, then you may add a Wikilink looking like [[Joseph L. Centanni]], which will display as Joseph L. Centanni - a redlink indicating that its destination does not currently exist.

If you mean a link to an external source, then no, we do not put external links in the text of an article. They may sometimes be added to an "external links" section at the end of an article, but there are restrictions on what links may be added, and it would not normally include information about a police chief. ColinFine (talk) 16:46, 4 July 2024 (UTC)

I did the red link part :) and added content to it. It did say it doesn’t exist. Once I add content, how does it then become a “live” or blue link? Dcent0514 (talk) 17:39, 4 July 2024 (UTC)

@Dcent0514: When the page is created, the link will turn blue automatically, its part of the MediaWiki software "magic" RudolfRed (talk) 18:18, 4 July 2024 (UTC)

I think I submitted it correctly :) it says it will be reviewed. Is it normal it is showing as regular black text until the page is approved? Dcent0514 (talk) 18:20, 4 July 2024 (UTC)

@Dcent0514: It is black because user @Magnolia677: undid your edit that added the Wikilink. RudolfRed (talk) 18:37, 4 July 2024 (UTC)

Why did @Magnolia677 undo my edit?

Is my page still submitted?

It’s confusing so I’m just checking :) TY! Dcent0514 (talk) 18:59, 4 July 2024 (UTC)

You submitted your draft, but it has been declined, as you can see in the message on your user talk page (and a message from the editor who undid your link, explaining why).

Wikipedia only hosts articles about subjects which meet its criteria for notability - which generally means that there is enough independent reliably published material about them to base an article on.

Your single source is not enough to establish that - and though it does appear to be reliable, and is partly independent of him, it seems to be pretty run of the mill coverage of an officer. What is it about him that makes him notable? ColinFine (talk) 21:19, 4 July 2024 (UTC)

@Dcent0514: Draft:Joseph_L._Centanni is still submitted, as you can see by the note at the top of the page RudolfRed (talk) 19:44, 4 July 2024 (UTC)

WHERE IS MY ARTICLE?

I wrote an excellent article but I can't find it ΡΑΝΕΤΙΚΟ (talk) 17:30, 4 July 2024 (UTC)

NOTE: User account deleted as a sock/troll. Nick Moyes (talk) 17:53, 4 July 2024 (UTC)

Wikiquestion

What's that itch I get when I'm on vacation and still want to edit Wikipedia even after I've written and published all of my unfinished drafts? (not sure if this is the right place to ask this) TWOrantula^TM (enter the web) 19:42, 4 July 2024 (UTC)

i don't know if it's good or bad that there might actually be an answer, but wp:addiction might be it

write your will, for it may already be too late cogsan _{(nag me) (stalk me)} 20:15, 4 July 2024 (UTC)

on acronyms

this might be the single stupidest question i've had to ask for the stupidest possible situation (probably editing a single letter in slapstick (disambiguation))and i'm honestly ready for the stupidest answer possible

is there something in any manual of style about whether certain acronyms that start with consonant sounds if pronounced like acronyms or vowel sounds if pronounced like words (or vice versa), like snes and lolk, should be written as if they were pronounced like acronyms or words? cogsan _{(nag me) (stalk me)} 20:11, 4 July 2024 (UTC)

It's not a stupid question. But it's not one to worry about. Just write it in the way that feels best you to you. There are people with strong views about such things; just relax and let them sort it out and possibly argue with each other about it. Maproom (talk) 20:23, 4 July 2024 (UTC)

Cogsan, for starters, the two buzzwords involved are acronyms, for the pronounceable ones, like NASA or UNICEF, and initialisms, for the ones you have to spell out, like, LGBT or SPQR. The way you should write them is a different question, and should match the way it is written in the majority of reliable, secondary sources in English. Mathglot (talk) 11:23, 5 July 2024 (UTC)

Creating a page for someone I know

Hello,

I've been meaning to create a page for a scientist who passed away, who has been in Elsevier's most impactful scientists for four years in a row, and has diagnosed a disease that is listed on Wikipedia (this page is not in English unfortunately). Because I know this person and I am related to them, I've been hesitant to create their page on my own, because I read that it may be against the rules. Should I do this, or if possible, can I suggest that someone does this?

Thank you, Bahar Bhrsnr (talk) 20:18, 4 July 2024 (UTC)

Hello, Bhrsnr. Thanks for disclosing your conflict of interest. Wikipedia established the Articles for Creation process that allows you to write a draft article that will be reviewed by experienced editors. Please understand that an acceptable Wikipedia article summarizes published reliable sources, so you need to "forget" or set aside anything you know about your relative. The notability guideline for academics is important. Your first article offers some useful advice. Cullen328 (talk) 20:41, 4 July 2024 (UTC)

See also WP:BACKWARD. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 21:19, 4 July 2024 (UTC)

db-spam|help=off - How to solve

I created a page for myself. I am newbie and trying to update some missing info. but i got this meesage. How can i solve it? Yagizyavuzyildiz (talk) 20:42, 4 July 2024 (UTC)

Hello, Yagizyavuzyildiz. You can click the blue button to contest the deletion. Please read WP:AUTOBIOGRAPHY. Writing an article about yourself is not a good idea. WP:NBASKETBALL is also worth reading. Cullen328 (talk) 20:54, 4 July 2024 (UTC)

Thanks. I really appreciate your reply. I Clicked the blue button and provided why it should not be deleted.

I hope if you can check..

Best Regards, Yagizyavuzyildiz (talk) 21:28, 4 July 2024 (UTC)

Yagizyavuzyildiz, you have not contested the speedy deletion. Perhaps you did not click "Publish changes". Did you read the links I provided? Cullen328 (talk) 01:33, 5 July 2024 (UTC)

Draft:Yagiz Y. Yildiz and Draft:Yagiz Yildiz have both been Speedy Deleted for beng promotional. David notMD (talk) 04:06, 5 July 2024 (UTC)

...and User:Nuel Jr who worked on those pages has been indef'ed for WP:UPE. DMacks (talk) 06:42, 5 July 2024 (UTC)

"who wrote that?"

has been persistently failing for several days now FYI soibangla (talk) 23:25, 4 July 2024 (UTC)

What? HiLo48 (talk) 23:50, 4 July 2024 (UTC)

They're referring to mw:Who Wrote That?. DanCherek (talk) 23:52, 4 July 2024 (UTC)

@Soibangla: You should ask at https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Project:Support_desk. You might also want to check out WP:WIKIBLAME. RudolfRed (talk) 01:49, 5 July 2024 (UTC)

Soibangla, Or more locally, at mw:Talk:Who Wrote That?. Mathglot (talk) 11:11, 5 July 2024 (UTC)

help with placing a figure

I am trying to add a figure at https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Predatory_publishing&action=edit&section=9 , but it does not come up in the right place/size. Can someone more experiences fix this problem? Thank you in advance, Walter. Walter Tau (talk) 00:40, 5 July 2024 (UTC)

You don't say what you do specifcally want, so we're somewhat guessing about what a "fix" would be. But for example, I did something.[2] You had said "|thumb", which sends it to the left or right side and by default makes it smallish. You wanted it to be content itself, so it needs to be larger and ideally in the text flow itself. See Help:Pictures for details of the layout options. But editorially I think the image itself is not appropriate. If placed as an image that will fit on non-huge screens, it will be too small to read easily. If it's large enough to read, it will not fit on screens. And as a policy concern, is it a copyright-violating cut'n'paste from a non-free journal article? DMacks (talk) 00:59, 5 July 2024 (UTC)

I double-checked the image source, and confirmed that it is not licensed compatibly with commons (it's the -NC variant of CC). So this issue about placing it is moot. DMacks (talk) 03:40, 5 July 2024 (UTC)

@Walter Tau: Textual content must not be images. Read MOS:TEXTASIMAGES. MOS:ACCIM has some more helpful tips on using images. Bazza 7 (talk) 09:56, 5 July 2024 (UTC)

Issues of copyright?

Issues of copyright? Are all Wikipedia files copyrighted? I wish to use a portion of Wikipedia file in an application for a grant to support a film on the subject of the Wikipedia file. There are other non-Wikipedia writeups on the subject of Wikipedia's file, but the Wikipedia files is well researched and well written and I wish to use a good portion of it verbatim. Can I? HKB3HKB3 (talk) 01:25, 5 July 2024 (UTC)

@HKB3HKB3: Are you asking about images or text? All text on Wikipedia is licensed under CC-BY-SA 4.0 and can be reused for any purpose if you provide attribution. See Wikipedia:Text_of_the_Creative_Commons_Attribution-ShareAlike_4.0_International_License. Most images are licensed similarly, although some are in the public domain free of copyright, and some are used under WP:NFCC and are not freely licensed. You can click on any image you are interested in and it will show you the info for that image. RudolfRed (talk) 01:36, 5 July 2024 (UTC)

Explained in more detail at Wikipedia:Reusing_Wikipedia_content RudolfRed (talk) 01:37, 5 July 2024 (UTC)

HKB3HKB3, please be specific rather than vague. Which file? Some files on Wikipedia are in the public domain and can be used without any restrictions. Most files are copyrighted and then freely licensed under an acceptable Creative Commons license. Such files can be re-used for any purpose with the restriction that the creator of the file must be attributed. A minority of files are restricted by copyright, and are used only in accordance with Wikipedia's stringent policy on use of non free images. These are low resolution images of iconic photos, portraits of dead people, corporate logos, and book and music covers, film posters and the like, used for identification purposes. So, give us the specific file name and we will explain its status.

Also, please keep your section headers concise. Thank you. Cullen328 (talk) 01:52, 5 July 2024 (UTC)

Shortened section header, as duplicated word-for-word in content. David notMD (talk) 04:12, 5 July 2024 (UTC)

How to rename my sandbox

i don't know how to rename my sandbox မမိုးသက်သဇင် (talk) 03:43, 5 July 2024 (UTC)

Help page WP:MOVE has instructions for moving pages. Since you are not WP:autoconfirmed, meaning you do not yet have 10 edits and 4 days old account, you cannot move pages yet. You ask somebody else to move it at WP:Requested moves. Ca ^{talk to me!} 06:26, 5 July 2024 (UTC)

Sorry, I just realized you have an account on Burmese Wikipedia. The procedures may be different for the Burmese language edition of Wikipedia. Ca ^{talk to me!} 06:51, 5 July 2024 (UTC)

Check my article

Hello. I am BeauSuzanne. I have recenty made an article but it was moved to draft. I was told that it's sources aren't good enough. Check someone check it Draft:Yasmeen Tahir.(BeauSuzanne (talk) 08:58, 5 July 2024 (UTC))

You can click "submit for review" for an WP:AFC reviewer to check your draft and decline or accept it into an article. Ca ^{talk to me!} 09:05, 5 July 2024 (UTC)

Well I am going to click for review. But can you or someone can see the sources. I just need to be sure if it's good. I take sources from International English Pakistan News such as The Nation, Daily Times, ARY News, The News International and from Urdu news as well.(BeauSuzanne (talk) 09:16, 5 July 2024 (UTC))

@BeauSuzanne: If you are confident in your editing, then submit it for review. If you are not (which, from your comments above, you seem not to be), then don't and work on it a bit more. There is no WP:DEADLINE. Bazza 7 (talk) 09:51, 5 July 2024 (UTC)

The paragraph about her grandparents' and parents' achivements does not belong in the section about her early life. David notMD (talk) 10:27, 5 July 2024 (UTC)

Indeed, the material about her parents and grandparents shouldn't be in the draft at all. You've given wikilinks to our articles about them: any reader who's interested can follow those links. Maproom (talk) 11:12, 5 July 2024 (UTC)

I am confident about it. I am very sure about soruces I did alot of research but I will do some more just to make sure everything is right. And should I add like Family background something.(BeauSuzanne (talk) 16:54, 5 July 2024 (UTC))

Descriptions of parents' and grandparents' achievements do not belong int this article. Therefore, no need to reference that content. Enough that their names (and those of two of Yasmeen's children) link to existing articles. David notMD (talk) 17:33, 5 July 2024 (UTC)

Talk page disclaimers about translation if content is removed

I'm currently rewriting an article that was originally a machine translation of another language Wikipedia. If I were to rewrite every single bit of text myself, which I feel I may have to because of quality concerns, would the talk page still require the disclaimer? It seems misleading to have that information on the talk page if the content has been removed. I'm also pondering whether WP:TNT would apply here given issues with machine translation and factual accuracy. Traumnovelle (talk) 09:54, 5 July 2024 (UTC)

Traumnovelle, can you link the article you are talking about? Mathglot (talk) 11:06, 5 July 2024 (UTC)

Feline hyperthyroidism, admittedly there are far worse machine translations and I don't think deletion would occur. Traumnovelle (talk) 19:21, 5 July 2024 (UTC)

Traumnovelle, by "disclaimer", I assume you are talking about the {{translated page}} notice at Talk:Feline hyperthyroidism. The short answer is: yes, you can remove it if it no longer applies. Wikipedia has requirements for attribution of translated text based on Wikimedia's Terms of use (sec. 7c), but this applies to the edit summary preserved in the page history of the article page, not to the talk page. (This attribution requirement was satisfied in this edit.) The talk page notice is nice to have as an aid, but it is not required by the ToU (nor does it satisfy them). Therefore, if you were to rewrite the entire article, the talk page {{translated page}} notice would no longer be accurate, and therefore should be removed.

Note that if any of the content you add in your rewrite involves translation from German Wikipedia (or any other one) be sure to follow the policy at WP:CWW and apply the proper translation attribution statement in your edit summary. This is required per the Terms of use. I hope this answers your question. Mathglot (talk) 20:30, 5 July 2024 (UTC)

Subscription

I'd like to write an Article: should i Subscribe? Do I need to Pay? 151.37.114.48 (talk) 09:55, 5 July 2024 (UTC)

I have just Signed Up. Rfeeeeeefmrreijngviuefalnkj (talk) 09:58, 5 July 2024 (UTC)

New editors are advised to learn the rules and guidelines of Wikipedia by working to improve existing articles before attempting to create a new article. When you are ready for the latter, see WP:YFA. David notMD (talk) 10:29, 5 July 2024 (UTC)

Hello, Rfeeeeeefmrreijngviuefalnkj, and welcome to the Teahouse and to Wikipedia.

I will echo what David said: many new editors expect that writing an article will be as easy as creating a page on social media, and have a frustrating time, because we have quite strict standards about verifiability and notability and other matters. I strongly advise that you do not even think about writing a new article until you have spent at least several weeks working on existing articles and understood some of our core principles.

You absolutely do not need to pay anybody. Many people choose to make donations to the Wikimedia Foundation (and many do not), but there is absolutely no connection between any donations and what happens to your edits: nobody editing Wikipedia has access to records of donations.

If you are contemplating paying somebody to make an article for you, I would advise: don't. Nobody offering such a service is in any way authorised by Wikipedia, and many of those offering are simply scammers. ColinFine (talk) 10:49, 5 July 2024 (UTC)

If someone is asking you to pay to create an article, then it's a scam. Ca ^{talk to me!} 10:57, 5 July 2024 (UTC)

Would like an article about me on wikipedia

I would like to be a part of Wikipedia , please suggest me, I wrote an article on myself, but it is on Speedily deletion. Please suggest me, how my name could be a part of Wikipedia.

Can my wife write an article on my self?

Can I include links of my organization and university, my youtube page in my article Shaharyar Sarkar Khan (talk) 12:19, 5 July 2024 (UTC)

No, please don't. You are strongly discouraged from writing about yourself, and you are prohibited to use Wikipedia for any form of promotion. Check out alternative outlets where you can write about yourself. '''[[User:CanonNi]]''' (talk • contribs) 12:37, 5 July 2024 (UTC)

Really, no. If you are so famous that people with no connection to you know about you and have published about you in reputable places (newspapers, magazines, websites, etc.) then in time, perhaps, someone with no connection to you will create and submit a draft about you. At present, it appears that you are a film director for advertisements with a social media presence but no one is writing about you. Your Youtube page does not contribute to Wikipedia notability. David notMD (talk) 12:55, 5 July 2024 (UTC)

convertion of a redirect page to a normal Wikipedia page?

How to convert a redirect page to a normal page Neutralhappy (talk) 12:56, 5 July 2024 (UTC)

@Neutralhappy Which page do you want to change and why? Shantavira|^{feed me} 13:28, 5 July 2024 (UTC)

Because the redirect page's name is a suitable name for the topic. This is the page I would to get converted to a normal Wikipedia page.   Neutralhappy (talk) 13:39, 5 July 2024 (UTC)

Hello, Neutralhappy. Samastha Kerala Jem-iyyathul Ulama (of AP Sunnis) is already an article, not a redirect, so I'm not clear what you're asking for. ColinFine (talk) 13:51, 5 July 2024 (UTC)

Related pages are not appearing. Neutralhappy (talk) 13:55, 5 July 2024 (UTC)

@ColinFine I'm not sure what's going on here but this version was an article until User:Neutralhappy added a redirect template to the top in this latest edit. I'm going to revert that now. Mike Turnbull (talk) 22:05, 5 July 2024 (UTC)

It is possible that the article at Samastha Kerala Jem-iyyathul Ulama (of AP Sunnis) should be listed among those on the DAB page Samastha but I leave that for others to determine. Mike Turnbull (talk) 22:09, 5 July 2024 (UTC)

Wikipedia currently has two articles, Samastha Kerala Jem-iyyathul Ulama and Samastha Kerala Jem-iyyathul Ulama (of AP Sunnis), about different organisations. Both are Sunni; neither article explains what "AP" means. Maproom (talk) 22:57, 5 July 2024 (UTC)

Neutralhappy wanted to split Samastha Kerala Jem-iyyathul Ulama into two articles because the organization is split into two factions [3] (they don't seem to have actually merged). They created the page Samastha Kerala Jem-iyyathul Ulama (of AP Sunnis) for one faction and tried to change Samastha Kerala Jem-iyyathul Ulama to only discuss the other faction. It is unclear whether the two factions should have separate articles. Helpful Raccoon (talk) 01:40, 6 July 2024 (UTC)

The problem is that the related pages are not appearing. Will it take time? Neutralhappy (talk) 03:28, 6 July 2024 (UTC)

Vandalism

I am a member of the Water Positive Think Tank and have been involved in drafting the Wikipedia page about our Water Positive Initiative. To our surprise an individual made major modifications of the text, changing its page name, deleting sections regarding its history, changing its intended content and defining purpose. The inventors of the Water Positive Initiative were deleted along with their photos and volunteer members on the Water Positive Initiative (Water Positive Think Tank.

I spent all night trying to correct these changes but was surprised this morning to find the site blocked my phone IP address and put the site under vandalism protection. Furthermore, I received a response to my email of a threatening nature.

Please advise on the proper steps to take. It appears that the attempt of the corrector is to try to insert another organization within this initiative who are not the inventors of it. Greentn2 (talk) 13:19, 5 July 2024 (UTC)

Greentn2 both of you are in the wrong here. I appreciate that you decided to contribute to Wikipedia, but if you are trying to promote an organization (in this case Water Positive Think Tank), then Wikipedia is not really the right platform. Wikipedia is firstly an encyclopedia.

If you are being paid to make these edits, then you are actually required to disclose that you receive compensation for editing.

You should talk with Techlang who reverted your edits. They are being harsh, but the core idea is what I said above, they thought you were just spamming content about Water Positive Think Tank (thinking it was vandalism). We like to call this process Bold Revert Discuss. Sungodtemple (talk • contribs) 13:39, 5 July 2024 (UTC)

The Water Positive Think Tank is a volunteer group. We were not paid for contributing to Wikipedia nor does the organization have commercial interests. The purpose for our contribution was to provide information and accurate description of its history, objectives and goals. We felt that some current information was distorted, and I tried to make the proper corrections, but I am not very familiar with the most efficient way of correcting the document. You may review the history of my input and make a determination which I will respect. I would like to bring to light that the mail sent to me by Techlang ended with a threat which was inappropriate and prompted me to reach out to Wikipedia as opposed to communicating with this individual directly. There are other actions taken by Techlang which you may judge for yourself and hopefully reverse them. Please examine it. If you are unable to see his letter to me, please inform me and I post it for your. Thank you for your comments and advice. Greentn2 (talk) 15:30, 5 July 2024 (UTC)

@Greentn2: Welcome to the Teahouse. As far as I can tell, the article started off focusing on the concept of water positivity and you were the one who added the organisation. As you have a conflict of interest, I would have reverted you as well as some of the language used was promotional or otherwise inappropriate for an encyclopedia. Please disclose your relationship, preferably on your user page, and make edit requests on the article's talk page instead of directly adding the text into the article.

That said, there was no reason for Techlang to move the page, as it was fine before and the current title goes against the Manual of Style's guidelines. It would have been preferable for the two of you to have discussed the issue beforehand. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 13:43, 5 July 2024 (UTC)

I undid the page-move and left a warning for Techlang about several of their behaviors. DMacks (talk) 13:48, 5 July 2024 (UTC)

Thank you for your clarification and comments. I am new to linked and though I have read much about it. I am still learning. Greentn2 (talk) 15:02, 5 July 2024 (UTC)

The article in question is Water positive. The dispute, evidenced by additions and subtractions, is how much if any information should be present about the Water Positive Think Tank, if any. At present - 5 July - is is a short section with no references. Other content also lacks references. David notMD (talk) 15:09, 5 July 2024 (UTC)

User:Maproom removed all mention of WPTT. Reason given. I agree. David notMD (talk) 17:30, 5 July 2024 (UTC)

Hello David. The initial article has been altered to such a degree that the mention of the Water Positive Think Tank in its current form appears out of context with the Water Positive. The previous context started with a chronological review of Water Positive, which did not include the Water Positive Think Tank.

“Water Positive” has been expanded to include the application of Non-conventional water resources, which affords the opportunity to revisit the issues of water safety, sustainability, and security in light of new water sources that can be added to industrial and some forms of domestic water use. This is a novel development ascribed to two individuals removed from the text. I think chronological relevance is essential, as is the mention of the evolution of the concept. I believe the Water Positive Think Tank is essential to that chronology (but should be revisited to ensure that its mention meets Wikipedia standards).

I will not participate in making comments on the document following the instructions of the Platform for “conflict of interest” as suggested.

David, I want to express my sincere gratitude to you and your team for the invaluable help and the much-appreciated clarifications you have provided. Your support is instrumental in ensuring the accuracy and timeliness of the information on the Water Positive page. I leave it to you, your team, and the community to decide the outcome of this page. Thanks again! Greentn2 (talk) 02:37, 6 July 2024 (UTC)

Seeking Advice from International Students in Art and Design in the UK

Not an issue for Teahouse. Referred elsewhere

 – This is a place for asking for help using Wikipedia. You might try the reference desk Just Step Sideways ^{from this world ..... today} 18:04, 5 July 2024 (UTC)

Hello, I am looking for international students studying art and design in the UK. I have some questions and would appreciate any help.

Please contact me

Thank you! Article Of The Day (talk) 17:37, 5 July 2024 (UTC)

Parimatch company support

Parimatch company support 43.224.111.114 (talk) 20:59, 5 July 2024 (UTC)

If you have a question about using Wikipedia, please rephrase it more comprehensibly. -- Hoary (talk) 21:32, 5 July 2024 (UTC)

Our article Parimatch does include the fact that the company went defunct in 2023, so support now seems unlikely. Mike Turnbull (talk) 21:57, 5 July 2024 (UTC)

Adding a picture

How would I add my late fathers picture? Kathleen Fitz (talk) 21:03, 5 July 2024 (UTC)

@Kathleen Fitz There are two steps in adding pictures to WIkipedia articles. The first is to upload the image to our sister project Wikimedia Commons and the second is to incorporate it into the article about your father. From a copyright point of view, it is important that you took the picture with your own camera, so you are entitled to license it as required. Follow the "wizard" at commons:Special:UploadWizard and return to this thread for help on the next stage. I assume that your father is Joseph T. Fitzpatrick and strictly speaking you have a conflict of interest in writing about him. I'll explain that on your Talk Page. Mike Turnbull (talk) 21:26, 5 July 2024 (UTC)

A suggestion

Should the people at Wikipedia make it so that if there's a film but it hasn't been released yet in a persons reigon, the plot should be hidden for them to avoid any spoilers? Al3xaSp3aker (talk) 21:20, 5 July 2024 (UTC)

@Al3xaSp3aker No, our guideline is explained at WP:Spoiler. Mike Turnbull (talk) 21:27, 5 July 2024 (UTC)

Original author of article. HELP. What do I do?

My AfC (Draft:Hailey Welch) was declined because Haliey Welch, was already in the mainspace. This prompted me to look into edit history of Haliey Welch, and the edit history shows it was created 15 minutes after my draft was submitted and created. I created the article first and the edit history shows the user who published Haliey Welch, to mainspace did so 15 minutes after I created Draft:Hailey Welch and submitted to AfC.

This morning the page Haliey Welch, still seemed to be a very closely paraphrased version of my article submission, but has now been changed. I spent a lot of time and care on creating the article draft, and am the original author, so I'm asking for some assistance and guidance here

There is an AfD for Haliey Welch, and this situation is a bit frustrating, but I feel my copy was written in a more encyclopedic way than the paraphrased second version the user published in the mainspace. Just looking for justice and credit here.

Hope this makes sense. Thanks to anyone who can provide insight :/ Comintell (talk) 23:22, 5 July 2024 (UTC)

Looking at the initial state of your draft compared to the initial state of the article by BullDawg2021, they don't seem particularly similar apart from being about the same subject. It doesn't seem like your draft was closely paraphrased, but rather that you got caught up in a very unfortunate timing situation. Others may have different opinions.

Courtesy link to the AfD. I note this is also at ANI.

Comintell, you must feel very frustrated right now, and I'm sorry about that. I've twice had article sections I massively expanded WP:SPLIT to daughter articles for which another editor got initial authorship credit. For me, it didn't feel like a big deal. There's no glory here.

I don't really have advice, except that you've brought this to enough fora. It's always possible the AfD will close as delete. Best, Folly Mox (talk) 00:19, 6 July 2024 (UTC)

It's demotivating to volunteer editors, if they created an article first, and spent time making sure it was well crafted, to disregard their work and allow a draft that was submitted after theirs, on the same subject, by a different editor, to be approved. Does that make sense? Comintell (talk) 03:47, 6 July 2024 (UTC)

I see here people are allowed to edit the info. I dont know how, just want to point out the bible says james the less is zebedees brother, james the great/Just is specificly stated to be brother of the lord and was first bishop of the church of Jerusalem

the bible specificly states the James the Just was brother of Jesus/lord. James the less was Zebedees brother. James Zebedee dies long before james the just. Jude is also brother to this James the Just, he wrote te epistle to james in our bible. judas was brother to both james and the lord as stated by those mentioned at the church in mark 1. 2603:7080:BF3F:6BF:9CDC:8BEA:D1E0:68C6 (talk) 00:29, 6 July 2024 (UTC)

I'm guessing you would like to se a change made to a Wikipedia article. Most of our articles (not the more sensitive or controversial ones) CAN be edited by anyone. But all content must be supported by relibale sources. The Bible is not regarded as a reliable source. HiLo48 (talk) 00:38, 6 July 2024 (UTC)

Could you please show me how to look at the deleted version of down-ball page?

Could you please show me how to look at the deleted version of down-ball page Rockycape (talk) 01:19, 6 July 2024 (UTC)

I don't think you can. TheNuggeteer (talk) 02:31, 6 July 2024 (UTC)

WP:ADMINs can see the deleted version. I can have a look it for you and possibly email the content to you. (Got a few things to do right now, but back in a few hours.) I might be a bit biased, though: I have fond memories of playing versions of that playground game in two different states. Shirt58 (talk) 🦘 03:23, 6 July 2024 (UTC)

Feedback on my first wiki page

Hi, I would like to request feedback on my first wiki page: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:ZenSunflower/sandbox1 ZenSunflower (talk) 01:19, 6 July 2024 (UTC)

Please stop spamming multiple pages with the same request. AndyTheGrump (talk) 02:09, 6 July 2024 (UTC)

Starting a second draft

During the reviewing of my draft, can I start a second one if I saw a subject that possess no Wikipedia page? WikiPhil012 (talk) 01:40, 6 July 2024 (UTC)

@WikiPhil012 you can create as much drafts as you'd like using the article wizard. '''[[User:CanonNi]]''' (talk • contribs) 01:46, 6 July 2024 (UTC)

Bug with article preview

So I've been working on the article Downtown One without publishing it, and a few minutes ago I decided to release it. The problem is, the article preview shows a completely different article, which is List of tallest buildings in Albania. When I click on the preview, it still goes to the Downtown One article. I don't know if this is a common thing, but yeah. It's definitely odd. Sir MemeGod ._. (talk - contribs - created articles) 02:25, 6 July 2024 (UTC)

That might be something to with Downtown One previously being a redirect to List of tallest buildings in Albania, though the redirect was delated back in Aug 2023. (I have no idea why that might be so - just a guess.) Shirt58 (talk) 🦘 03:13, 6 July 2024 (UTC)

I'd report it, but the Phabricator login isn't working for some reason. Sir MemeGod ._. (talk - contribs - created articles) 03:24, 6 July 2024 (UTC)

Nevermmind, I reported it at the Village Pump Sir MemeGod ._. (talk - contribs - created articles) 03:34, 6 July 2024 (UTC)

Awards nominations count

Hi,

Regarding the award list articles, I need clarification on how the nomination count is calculated. Suppose an actor received 7 nominations, of which 3 are wins. Is the total count of nominations 7 or 4? Anoop Bhatia (talk) 02:43, 6 July 2024 (UTC)

faithful photographic reproduction of a three-dimensional, circa 1575, work of art (jewelery)

Is this considered Public Domain? 98.248.161.240 (talk) 03:09, 6 July 2024 (UTC)

Chequers Ring 98.248.161.240 (talk) 03:10, 6 July 2024 (UTC)