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April 2005 - November 2006

Note: Please do not message or email me eliciting my support for an article unless it's in a topic area I'm already involved in. Thanks! :-) GreenReaper

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Furry convention

		The Original Barnstar
		For your impressively swift and thorough merging and redirecting of smaller convention articles to furry convention, and for building a well-sourced and well-written article around them, I award you this barnstar. Well done. Shimeru 08:44, 27 November 2006 (UTC)

Yes, very well done. (And thanks for the note on my talk page.) John Broughton | Talk 13:21, 27 November 2006 (UTC)

Fur Affinity

An article about an art site called Fur Affinity is currently up for deletion. My instinct is that it might be noteworthy, but I lack sufficient experience to say definitively. You seem to know a bit about the subculture, so I thought you might like to offer an opinion. Shimeru 07:31, 29 November 2006 (UTC)

Thank you. I have commented on the deletion. GreenReaper 10:37, 29 November 2006 (UTC)

Furry convention at Did you know?

Hi there! You stated that the content of this article was moved from FurFright (deletion debate). In fact, I wrote it pretty much from scratch - there really wasn't much to merge. One line and one picture about Anthrocon 2006's media coverage was copied from Samuel Conway. GreenReaper 17:12, 29 November 2006 (UTC)

Ok, thanks for fixing. It's on the current queue and is currently in line for the pictured slot, being the most comprehensive text, as well as offering a pic. Thanks, Blnguyen (bananabucket) 03:05, 30 November 2006 (UTC)

That's excellent news. Thanks for the update. :-) GreenReaper 03:09, 30 November 2006 (UTC)

Did you know?

On 30 November, 2006, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Furry convention, which you created. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the "Did you know?" talk page.

--GeeJo ^(t)⁄_(c) • 08:50, 30 November 2006 (UTC)

Congrats, and good work. Raul654 15:51, 30 November 2006 (UTC)

Dealers den

Hello, I saw you were helping Argox with his Spanish translation of the article furry convention. While reading (and correcting) the translation, I came across an ambiguous phrase which could be translated to Spanish in two ways with different meanings:

(...) a Dealers Den where art and comic book distributors and other merchants can sell their wares for a fee

So, does it mean that the merchants have to pay a fee to be allowed to sell, or that (as is usually the case) it's the merchants who charge a fee to the buyers?

Thanks in advance for your help, --Fibonacci 11:31, 2 December 2006 (UTC)

You have found a phrase that could be explained better in the article. In fact, both meanings are implied here. The Dealers Den is a place where dealers (either professional artists with lots of prints or framed works, or dealers of other people's art/comics/books/T-shirts/plush toys/fashion accessories) may rent a table from the convention, for a price - at Anthrocon, anywhere from $75 for half a table (3 foot by 3 foot) to $525 for a square island (10 foot by 10 foot) [1]. They may then sell to the people who attend the convention.

This contrasts with the Artists' Alley, which usually does not charge artists for space to sell - however, the space is much smaller (see the pictures in the article to compare), there is no guarantee that they will get it if there are too many people (some conventions are starting to sell small badges to get a good place for $10-$20), they must remain there most of the time to keep their place, and they must only sell their own work.

Thank you for assisting Argox with the translation, and for your work against vandalism of the article. GreenReaper 23:28, 2 December 2006 (UTC)

Well, since the second meaning is implied by default, I finally decided to translate only the first one to Spanish. Thank you for your help. --Fibonacci 18:43, 3 December 2006 (UTC)

TfD nomination of Template:WikiFur

Template:WikiFur has been nominated for deletion. You are invited to comment on the discussion at the template's entry on the Templates for Deletion page. Thank you. - ∅ (∅), 03:12, 10 December 2006 (UTC)

Heads up Template:WikiFur for deletion vote

re: Template:WikiFur(edit talk links history)

Template up for deletion; You also need to consider actions to clarify your relationship to the Wikimedia Foundation, Wikipedia:Sister projects with some entry or mentions.

Also, as has been 'picked on', the acceptable style for such links is well established. Use Template:Commonscat(edit talk links history) or {{Wiktionarycat1}} as style/size guideline and boilerplate guideline, also see category:Interwiki link templates. See also Category:Interwiki utility templates for a host of examples where some variation has be introduced in coloration, for examples see Template:Interwikitmp-grp0(edit talk links history) and technique, the sucked-in member templates. Those are currently experimentally equiped with two perameters to play with sizing and such. Best regards // FrankB 17:16, 12 December 2006 (UTC)

Thank you for your concern. Honestly, I am not too bothered whether or not the template is kept. As noted by another contributor, there are currently no articles which make use of it. There appears to be some confusion about its intended use - the template is intended for the talk page, as an indicator of the original source in compliance with the GFDL. It is not intended to go on the article page as an "advert" like the sister projects templates. While this might actually be a good idea in a few restricted cases (there was a similar one on the furry fandom article in the past) that is not the purpose of this template.As for "our relationship" - WikiFur is a separate wiki hosted by Wikia. There is no official relationship, although many users contribute to both. I consider WikiFur and Wikipedia (and similar sites) as "friends" who can help one another out - WikiFur provides more detailed coverage of furry fandom topics that Wikipedia would like to avoid, while Wikipedia is great for us to link all those topics which are not relevant to the furry fandom. A good example of this on Wikipedia is furry convention, which directs users who are looking for more information which Wikipedia cannot provide (as it is non-verifiable) to the appropriate WikiFur articles. GreenReaper 17:54, 12 December 2006 (UTC)

oops

sorry I hope I didn't do that redlink -- I'll leave you to clean it up as I want to get back to dancing. JS Uralia 07:26, 16 December 2006 (UTC)

No worries, it was just a slow image upload and I got impatient. :-) GreenReaper 07:35, 16 December 2006 (UTC)

Second Life screenshots

Screenshots of Second Life cannot be released as GFDL or Creative Commons; the copyright belongs to the creators of Second Life. Ral315 (talk) 01:45, 19 December 2006 (UTC)

Conflict of interest?

GreenReaper, what's your position as an employee of Stardock? I'm concerned about a potential conflict of interest. I'm not very concerned, because a perusal of your talk page indicates you are making good contributions, but I'd still like some details. You can reply here.--Kchase T 09:11, 26 December 2006 (UTC)

I have been a software developer involved in R&D for Stardock for one and a half years. Prior to that, I was heavily involved in the Stardock newsgroups and IRC networks for around four and a half years, helping people with WindowBlinds and the like. Certainly, there is the potential for a conflict of interest, but hopefully my contributions show that I'm trying to do the same as everyone else here - write informative and interesting articles, rather than advertising or promotional material. That kind of stuff is better suited for Stardock's front page (and for our marketing staff).

If you have more specific concerns about a particular article, now or in the future, I would be glad to address them. GreenReaper 04:11, 27 December 2006 (UTC)

Well, I happened upon your work after declining a spam tag at Multiplicity (software). My concern with that and, by extension, other articles is just that they are written NPOV and written on notable products. That wasn't as clear when I happened upon the Multiplicity article, but you just added sources that establish notability pretty strongly. The relevant guidelines here are WP:CORP's section on products and WP:SOFTWARE (only proposed, but still cited sometimes). In any case, your strong contributions make it pretty clear that this is a good place to make an exception to WP:COI (which discourages but doesn't prohibit what you're doing anyway). Thanks for your great contributions to this and other wikis. I hope you keep up the good work.--Kchase T 05:08, 27 December 2006 (UTC)

Thanks. I had a feeling it was about that, and decided to act to stem off any confusion about notability. Multiplicity is one of our key products - I don't develop it myself, but I've taken time off other work to help ensure that it works and debug problems (and I'm not normally paid to do quality assurance :-). GreenReaper 05:12, 27 December 2006 (UTC)

An article which you started, or significantly expanded, Windows DreamScene, was selected for DYK!

On January 18, 2007, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Windows DreamScene, which you created or substantially expanded. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the "Did you know?" talk page.

Thanks for your contributions! Nishkid64 02:05, 18 January 2007 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/T.H.E. Fox

What are the San Bernardino County Sun, TC-128 and Carousel News & Trader? Can any of these be cited as sources in the article? -- Dragonfiend 06:07, 24 January 2007 (UTC)

The first and last seem to still be around. TC-128 may well not be - it appears to have been a magazine of some kind. Unfortunately few specific references were given in the interview (from which I am getting these), just the fact that the characters had appeared in or on those publications (for the Sun, in "opinion cartoons"). I have uploaded copies of the orange juice (Sun), carousel gag (Carousel) and (I think) the szechwan (Pern) images mentioned - the last two reflect the severe limitations of the medium at the time. He also mentions the numbering scheme, so it can be determined that the carousel gag was published in the fifth week (29th, 30th or 31st) of July 1988, while the szechwan pepper gag (which "appeared in a fan magazine dedicated to the Pern series") was on the forth week of April 1989, if I have the right strip. I have around 200 strips published in the period September 1987 - January 1990. Given the timing mentioned, I believe that to be about half the complete output, though it's possible I'm way out. GreenReaper 09:33, 24 January 2007 (UTC)

Samurai Cat

Hi. I've been referred to you by NeoFreak. I'm new to editing Wikipedia. As practice, I'm trying to document the notability of Mark E. Rogers' Samurai Cat series. I'm having trouble finding much either way. NeoFreak said you might be interested and able to help. Relevant stuff: User:RichM90071#Samurai Cat, User talk:NeoFreak#Mark E. Rogers and Samurai Cat. Thanks, RichM90071 00:47, 17 March 2007 (UTC)

Natural Desktop

The article is currently on VfD. Since you had created most of the Stardock related texts your opinion would be useful to hear.

(IMHO all the articles (including Stardock) should be deleted as they are hard to impossible to maintain over long time, their notability is disputable and they form a precedent to include every software product here.) Pavel Vozenilek 15:13, 20 March 2007 (UTC)

Sure. I happen to believe that all software products should be included here, so I will have to disagree with you on that point. :-) Stardock itself is a leader in desktop customization, and an award-winning turn-based strategy game company, so I highly doubt that the article about it will be deleted. GreenReaper 15:24, 20 March 2007 (UTC)

TfD nomination of Template:WikiFur

Template:WikiFur has been nominated for deletion. You are invited to comment on the discussion at the template's entry on the Templates for Deletion page. Thank you. — K@ngie^meep! 05:51, 27 March 2007 (UTC)

Done (a while back, thought I should note so here as well). Looks like it'll be kept, in an updated form. GreenReaper 19:39, 28 March 2007 (UTC)

Spanish userpage

I noticed that your userpage and userpage talk in the Spanish Wikipedia are in English only. Since many of those editing the Spanish Wikipedia are likely to not understand English, I offer to translate them for you into Spanish also (bilingual). For example:

Hi there! You probably want to look at my English Wikipedia user page, or this one. :-)

¡Hola! Probablemente quiere ver mi página de usuario de Wikipedia en inglés, o este página. :-)

Let me know if that would be useful to you. -kotra 09:47, 2 May 2007 (UTC)

That's a good idea. Thanks for the suggestion, I've added it. GreenReaper 14:43, 2 May 2007 (UTC)

Miss Martindale article nominated for deletion

I am writing to inform editors who contributed to the Miss Martindale article that the article has been nominated for deletion. You are encouraged to weigh in on whether the article should be deleted, by voting here. If you have any questions, feel free to contact me on my talk page. Thank you! Joie de Vivre 22:54, 21 May 2007 (UTC)

Orphaned non-free image (Image:GalacticCivilizationsIIMapViews.png)

Thanks for uploading Image:GalacticCivilizationsIIMapViews.png. The image description page currently specifies that the image is non-free and may only be used on Wikipedia under a claim of fair use. However, the image is currently orphaned, meaning that it is not used in any articles on Wikipedia. If the image was previously in an article, please go to the article and see why it was removed. You may add it back if you think that that will be useful. However, please note that images for which a replacement could be created are not acceptable for use on Wikipedia (see our policy for non-free media).

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Category:Furry Wikipedians

Looks like it's been deleted again... I created a proper DRV entry for it this time. Bushytails 19:34, 5 June 2007 (UTC)

Responded on my talk page. Bushytails 05:36, 12 June 2007 (UTC)

IconPackager

A "{{prod}}" template has been added to the article IconPackager, suggesting that it be deleted according to the proposed deletion process. All contributions are appreciated, but yours may not satisfy Wikipedia's criteria for inclusion, and the deletion notice explains why (see also "What Wikipedia is not" and Wikipedia's deletion policy). You may contest the proposed deletion by removing the {{dated prod}} notice, but please explain why you disagree with the proposed deletion in your edit summary or on its talk page. Also, please consider improving the article to address the issues raised. Even though removing the deletion notice will prevent deletion through the proposed deletion process, the article may still be deleted if it matches any of the speedy deletion criteria or it can be sent to Articles for Deletion, where it may be deleted if consensus to delete is reached. TheRingess (talk) 05:02, 11 June 2007 (UTC)

Image:Anthrocon 2007 Mark Evanier and Carolyn Kelly supersponsor lunch.jpg

Nice photo, thanks for contributing it! It's nice to have a much more recent shot of Evanier, especially in light of his weight loss. — Alan De Smet | Talk 02:45, 17 July 2007 (UTC)

You're welcome. I happen to have another, which I uploaded at Image:Anthrocon_2007_Mark_Evanier_supersponsor_lunch.jpg in case you find it more useful. GreenReaper 03:05, 17 July 2007 (UTC)

Orphaned non-free image (Image:GalacticCivilizationsIILogo.png)

Thanks for uploading Image:GalacticCivilizationsIILogo.png. The image description page currently specifies that the image is non-free and may only be used on Wikipedia under a claim of fair use. However, the image is currently orphaned, meaning that it is not used in any articles on Wikipedia. If the image was previously in an article, please go to the article and see why it was removed. You may add it back if you think that that will be useful. However, please note that images for which a replacement could be created are not acceptable for use on Wikipedia (see our policy for non-free media).

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WikiProject Furry

Looking for something to do? WikiProject Furry is improving articles on furry and anthropomorphic topics, and we'd like to have you on board. Our current goal is to raise Anthrocon, furry convention and furry fandom to good article status and beyond - but if that doesn't take your fancy, there are plenty of other articles to work on. Give it a go and let us know how you're doing! You received this one-time invitation because you are a Furry Wikipedian. GreenReaper 23:08, 28 July 2007 (UTC)

Got your message, thanks. =^^= --Dennis The Tiger (Rawr and stuff) 22:02, 29 August 2007 (UTC)

Thanks GreenReaper

Thanks you for your kind words. Consider it my penance for me moving the WikiProject from Furry to Anthropomorphism and causing all that trouble before. ISD 16:34, 31 July 2007 (UTC)

You know what they say - "There's no problems, only solutions." Figuring out how to get to the right place is just part of the wiki way. At least it showed people cared about the topic. :-) GreenReaper 17:14, 31 July 2007 (UTC)

That's very true. Thanks for that. ISD 17:19, 31 July 2007 (UTC)

I've currently got the furry fandom article on hold, but can I ask you...

Would Monkey (advertising character) be considered a funny animal? I guess you'd be the one to ask...--h i s ^{s p a c e} _{r e s e a r c h} 23:36, 8 August 2007 (UTC)

I do not think it would be. At least in my understanding, "funny animal" is just a cartooning term - and mostly professional cartooning, at that (or at least people trying to be professional . . .). Furries do not tend to use the term, and many might not ever have heard it. Monkey might be thought of as a talking animal, in the "simulated human" as opposed to the "humanized animal" variety. He is a person who happens to non-human, but has many of the mental aspects of a human - an anthropomorphic character. GreenReaper 00:12, 9 August 2007 (UTC)

I guess it's obvious in that Monkey is not a cartoon character, therefore not a funny animal, but I was just wanting to kind of break the ice for me to ask you, GreenReaper... what do you think of ED's criticism of the furry fandom, and its page on you (which I notice you've edited)?--h i s ^{s p a c e} _{r e s e a r c h} 00:20, 9 August 2007 (UTC)

ED doesn't criticize - it points and laughs. There's a difference. :-)

I think it's possible to overrate their influence. ED isn't really a body so much as the sum of the individuals contributing of it. Their actions towards the furry fandom in general have been the metaphorical equivalent of prodding a small animal with a sharp stick, videotaping the result, and publishing the parts that don't make them look bad as a documentary. This works, because a certain proportion of furry fans are pretty sensitive to prodding, but it has become "old meme" over the last few years.

The sad thing is that there's a lot of effort going towards something that's essentially making fun of people's actions. I don't think this is a positive achievement. The furry community actually had something similar called Yiffsnark (originally the VCL/Furry Horrors Wiki), dedicated to making fun of particular artists and their works, but it closed soon after it was founded. I think the owner quickly realized the only people who could be cruller towards furries than members of ED was other furries (some of whom fostered real grudges), and they didn't like the result of all that concentrated hate. Or perhaps their servers just died. Either way, they didn't get very far. The sort of people who build a good wiki will spend far more time writing about things that they love than things that they hate.

That is why ED works the way it does - because the people who write it love drama. But, in focusing on that, they magnify everything that is undesirable about parts of the furry fandom (and all the other groups they cover), as well as promoting stereotypes which they know not to be true. This happens on forums all the time, of course, but a wiki acts as an accretion platform for this stuff. Fortunately, few people take them seriously, but they can still damage the lives of individuals through malicious publication, and they don't really care as long as it's funny. That is hardly specific to furry fandom - we've just been a good target over the years.

ED's page on me is not a very good one. I don't really have much in the way of juicy drama for them to talk about (other than being a furry) so they have to make up stuff - and as drama is only really funny and believable if it's true, it falls a little flat. If I didn't lead WikiFur they wouldn't bother. GreenReaper 05:43, 9 August 2007 (UTC)

On reflection, I get the feeling you're looking for a way to introduce a sense of criticism that you felt was missing from the article. The thing is . . . furry fandom is, for most, a hobby. We don't kill puppies. We don't pollute the environment. We do raise quite large amounts of money for charity. About the worst thing you can really say about it is "these guys are wasting their time and money and deluding themselves living in a fantasy world" (possibly with ".., ha ha!" at the end). Oh, and apparently we have sex with one another (hey, at least we're getting some ;-) and keep baseball teams up at night. If you want an version of this kind of stuff from a "notable" individual, see WikiFur:Rush Limbaugh, but ultimately I don't think he's any better than ED. He just has a bigger audience. GreenReaper 21:31, 9 August 2007 (UTC)

Here's something for you

h i s ^{s p a c e} _{r e s e a r c h} has given you some cigarettes and beer! Cigarettes and beer promote WikiLove and hopefully these will make your day better and let you forget about how stressful editing Wikipedia can be and chill out for a while. Spread the WikiLove by giving cigarettes and beer to someone else, whether it be someone you have had disagreements with in the past or a good friend. Happy editing!
Give cigarettes and beer to others by adding {{subst:Cigandbeer}} to their talk page with a friendly message.

This is because whilst reading the John Smeaton (baggage handler) article, I clicked on the baggage handler wikilink and noticed that you provided the image in the article.

If you think this "cigarettes and beer" template is a joke, it was created by me in a tongue-in-cheek manner; I'm just testing it to see if other people think it is ridiculous or if it's somewhat better than being awarded a smile, a chocolate bar, or a barnstar.-h i s ^{s p a c e} _{r e s e a r c h} 12:22, 18 August 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for the WikiLove - crazy as it sounds, I did specifically take that picture with the idea of putting it on Wikipedia. As for the choice of award: I don't think it's ridiculous, but personally dislike smoking and drinking (and don't do either), so it's probably not a good universal choice. Of course, some people dislike barnstars and (possibly) chocolate, too. GreenReaper 18:54, 18 August 2007 (UTC)

I know it's not a good universal choice - and I specifically put this on your talk page as I imagined you wouldn't partake in either, just to see what someone thought about it (you're the first person I've given it to who has responded). The reason I think it's kind of silly is because more likely than not, the Wikipedian you are awarding it to doesn't do both, and fairly likely does neither. Unfortunately, I do both.-h i s ^{s p a c e} _{r e s e a r c h} 19:02, 18 August 2007 (UTC)

Also, as for taking pictures with the purpose of putting them on Wikipedia, I find that difficult to do because it seems that almost everything I can take a picture of has an adequate number of images in the article already. Even Vama Veche, and I took a lot of pictures there last month.-h i s ^{s p a c e} _{r e s e a r c h} 19:08, 18 August 2007 (UTC)

Category:Furry Wikipedians

• Category:Furry Wikipedians

Ok, I've read over literally mountains of text.

My intention is to nominate the category for rename or merger or deletion. Currently, my strongest preference would be to delete the category with no prejudice for recreation under a different name (essentially a rename, but without accidentally miscategorising members of the previous category).

Wikipedians by Website is up for deletion, so a rename based on the wikia wiki may not be a good idea, at least at the moment. If I were to make a suggestion, it would be to fold this into the WikiProject.

I welcome your thoughts, as well as alternative suggestions. (I'll watch this page.) - jc37 03:14, 10 October 2007 (UTC)

Two things...

• One: I was/am testing the categories. I needed them to stay like that until the server caught up with itself. WP:AGF, might have been suggestable, or at least you could have asked what I was doing, since (as you can see) I left you a message here, when I surely didn't have to.
• Two: Are you planning to respond/offer insight? - jc37 09:24, 10 October 2007 (UTC)

I made those edits and I was typing this one up just afterwards, but I was called away to deal with something in WikiFur's IRC. You made your intention clear - you feel the category is inappropriate and you seek its deletion. Removing the category from the template has been a part of previous attempts to delete the category (not necessarily on your part, but in general). It is hard to see because few watch templates - I was, because of the last time people were messing with it - and while I appreciate you posted here, you did not mention that you were making those edits or why. If you had intended to test something, saying what you were testing would have been simple to do - and you still haven't done that. If you were intending to find out what users had separately included the category, there was no need to remove it - you could simply look at Special:Whatlinkshere/Category:Furry Wikipedians and then compared that against Special:Whatlinkshere/User:Aeon1006/Userboxes/User furry and Special:Whatlinkshere/User:RingtailedFox/Mobian. See below for additional reasoning for restoring it. Previously-typed text follows.

I thought about this for an hour or so. Ultimately, I disagree with the premise that social groupings with no clear link to collaborative effort is bad for Wikipedia. Quite aside from the fact that I personally used the category to find people for WP:FURRY, I think it is important that members of groups feel they are among friends here. I will explain this more fully on your proposal for Category:LGBT Wikipedians and you may wish to debate it there.

Also, I saw what you did there (and there). A more descriptive edit summary would have been appropriate. I have reverted these edits because the category specifically instructs users to add themselves to the category with the userbox; removing the category from the userbox effectively removes them from the category, which is inappropriate if the category is not yet to be deleted - and as you're well aware, previous attempts to do so have resulted in a keep.

On a personal note, I read this earlier: 'I always find it amazing when it's suggested that I'm a "deletionist"'. But why be surprised if people call you a deletionist if you are the one putting category after category up for deletion? It seems an accurate description. GreenReaper 09:54, 10 October 2007 (UTC)

A separate category for WP:FURRY editors might be appropriate except that it is redundant with the list on the WikiProject. If the list grows too large, perhaps a category would be a better method of organization. I would not seek a category for, say, WikiFur editors, as that would be very close to a subset of the same list. GreenReaper 09:59, 10 October 2007 (UTC)

I asked you for your opinion, because I was looking for options beyond what I listed above. I remembered that you were involved in the last furry discussion, and thought that you would be someone who might be able to offer such insight.

Also, you may want to look at the deletion history of Category:Furry Wikipedians.

And calling me a deletionist is like saying that someone who trims the bushes is anti-environment. Or better yet, why are we all called "editors"? Do you think that all anyone does is add text?

Anyway, you've given me some insight into the category's usage, so I do thank you for that. Hope you have a good day. - jc37 21:19, 10 October 2007 (UTC)

I think that most of the best edits involve adding text rather than deleting it. We are still far from the point where you can go to Wikipedia and expect it to answer all of your questions, and I would like to get there. Besides, these are not articles. I see no particular benefit in decreasing the number of categories of users, in the same way that I can see the benefit of trimming down a bloated article. It does not make Wikipedia significantly faster, it just wastes people's time arguing back and forth over it, and burns out contributors. GreenReaper 22:20, 10 October 2007 (UTC)

(smile) If you consider this a waste of time, spend some time at WP:CFD : ) - And no, I don't consider it a waste of time, any more than do I consider Wikipedia a waste of time. Yes, "these are not articles", but they're also not userspace.

Also, I wanted to commend you on your comments at WP:UCFD. This may sound like a sideways compliment, but it's not intended that way. It seemed clear by reading your comments that you had read the nomination, and some of the others discussions on the page, before posting. That was appreciated.

Anyway, I've placed the nom. Feel free to join in the discussion there. - jc37 22:35, 10 October 2007 (UTC)

I don't see why we can't have a userspace category namespace, if that's the main problem. Talk to the devs. Or maybe I should talk to Wikia devs and see if they can hack one into the codebase. ;-)

As for the compliment, thank you. I thought it worth trying to explain my point of view. I still hope to convince you that such categories are worthwhile (though as a realist I doubt that I will).

I have made a short comment there; much of what I felt has been said already. My view remains the same; they do no particular harm (most users are never likely to see them), and at least a small amount of good - perhaps unquantifiable, perhaps not - just like userboxes. If nothing else, they can make people happier, and that is not an insignificant benefit. That is why people are turning out to protest their removal. GreenReaper 22:50, 10 October 2007 (UTC)

GA and FAs for furry stuff

The sounds doable. Keep in mind I don't know a lot, but I will try it out. User:Zscout370 ^{(Return Fire)} 03:23, 10 October 2007 (UTC)

Cool! It might actually help that it's a new topic for you, you can look at it with a fresh eye and see the places that need improvement. I moved your nomination for furry convention to "Miscellaneous culture and society" as I figure it's a good mix of both. GreenReaper 08:19, 10 October 2007 (UTC)

I'm into the anime and stuff, but furry is still pretty much new to me. I been looking at the stuff that needed a source check, spellcheck and see what happens. I been looking at werecat last night too, but I just need to pare down the examples they give and see if we could get a free drawing of a werecat. User:Zscout370 ^{(Return Fire)} 13:43, 10 October 2007 (UTC)

I'm trying to trim the references in fiction to werecat, not sure how that is going. Anyways, I have about 4-5 articles at WP:GAC right now, and some have been there since the beginning of the month. So I really want to wait before I work on more articles for this bounty. User:Zscout370 ^{(Return Fire)} 05:48, 15 October 2007 (UTC)

Well, no rush - there's plenty of time on the bounty. I am a little concerned over its relevance of werecat to the target topic, though, in part due to a comment made in talk (you also removed a reference to Gold Digger, apparently in accordance with that, which suggests against it being a specifically furry topic). I would probably count it, because it was on WP:FURRY's list (if only by accident - I believe it came from a non-furry editor) but you might want to check with RainRat if you intend to try to claim the featured article bounty on it. I'm sorry I did not reply more quickly with this - I was involved with a convention trip this weekend. GreenReaper 07:58, 15 October 2007 (UTC)

No big deal about the delay, I do cons myself for anime. I am going down the list of Furry WP's of stuff that needs to be fact checked and verified. I am only removing references is because that is half of the article. I can work on others. User:Zscout370 ^{(Return Fire)} 13:08, 15 October 2007 (UTC)

Mis-closings

Well, after seeing how incredibly poorly the UCFD was closed, how poorly others were closed, how pointless deletion reviews are, and generally how much power is abused around here and how badly the system is broken, I've decided to post [2] - your comments on it would be appreciated. Bushytails 18:45, 22 October 2007 (UTC)

Furry convention - my $0.02

• Calling someone "homosexual" (or more commonly "gay") is not derogatory in and of itself, but if the intent is to insult it can be taken that way. :( JuJube 03:42, 27 October 2007 (UTC)

Yeah, I know. They actually used more derogatory terms than that, though, and I wanted to distinguish the use of those terms from the use of the technical phrase (and to avoid Wikipedia implying that being gay was a bad thing). GreenReaper 03:51, 27 October 2007 (UTC)

I just didn't want to use faggot or fags in the article. User:Zscout370 ^{(Return Fire)} 04:07, 27 October 2007 (UTC)

GA review of Furry convention

My apologies for not leaving a note on your talk page stating that I had reviewed it. It was late last night. I see that several of you have already started (and finished, perhaps?) addressing the issue. Please advise if you would like me to re-review early, or wait the standard seven day period. I am at your service. Mmoyer 18:05, 27 October 2007 (UTC)

No problem - I was watching the page anyway. :-) I did not intend my initial edit to be the complete response to your concerns. In fact I've invited some of my friends to help out. It would probably be a good idea to wait for the complete period to ensure that anyone who is going to contribute does. GreenReaper 22:14, 27 October 2007 (UTC)

Congratulations! GA achieved! Good job! Mmoyer 05:01, 28 October 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for helping me get the article to the finial push. User:Zscout370 ^{(Return Fire)} 05:13, 28 October 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for the info

I've changed the reward board entry so that its consistent. Remember 13:46, 3 November 2007 (UTC)

Talk:Furry fandom

Sorry 'bout that. I'll refrain from further such comments; it seems fruitless to engage them in actual coherent debate, is my main consideration in those comments. As this latest fellow indicates, it's not really about the truth, it's about disparaging people. But, I'll lay off. Cheers! Tony Fox (arf!) 07:05, 12 November 2007 (UTC)

Well, it's mostly that I see it as counterproductive - DissuadeReputation and all that good stuff. They want a name - if you deny it to them, all they have is their comments, which look rather transparent to most regular Wikipedians. I actually think there was something worthwhile out of it this time in terms of art proportion, so it's not time completely wasted. :-) GreenReaper 07:37, 12 November 2007 (UTC)

Stardock-related prods

A proposed deletion template has been added to the articles DirectSkin, Stardock Central, TweakVista, StyleVista, ThinkDesk, DeskScapes, BootSkin, WindowFX, ObjectBar, IconPackager, DesktopX, and Object Desktop, because another editor is suggesting that they be deleted according to the proposed deletion process. All contributions are appreciated, but these articles may not satisfy Wikipedia's criteria for inclusion, and the deletion notice should explain why (see also "What Wikipedia is not" and Wikipedia's deletion policy). You may prevent the proposed deletion by removing the {{dated prod}} notice, but please explain why you disagree with the proposed deletion in your edit summary or on their talk pages. Also, please consider improving the articles to address the issues raised. Even though removing the deletion notice will prevent deletion through the proposed deletion process, the articles may still be deleted if they match any of the speedy deletion criteria or they can be sent to Articles for Deletion, where they may be deleted if consensus to delete is reached. If you agree with the deletion of these article, and you are the only person who has made substantial edits to the pages, please add {{db-author}} to the top. —Ruud 18:09, 25 November 2007 (UTC)

Circles (comic book) history

Hi! I have emailed you the pre-deletion content and history list of Circles (comic book) per your request on WP:DRV. If you can confirm that it arrived OK, I'll close your request. Cheers! --Stormie (talk) 23:58, 25 November 2007 (UTC)

It arrived safe and sound. Thanks! GreenReaper (talk) 00:14, 26 November 2007 (UTC)

WikiProject Furry

I commented on the project page, but I should reiterate that mainstream cartoon animals do not have to be created by or marketed to furry fans in order to be included in WikiProject Furry. That would be like saying Star Wars or Star Trek isn't science fiction because they're mainstream. Furry fandom is about anthropomorphic animals, not just ones created by/marketed to fans. It's ludicrous to assume cartoon animals Warner Brothers/Disney characters shouldn't be included.

Claiming mainstream anthropomorphic animal characters aren't part of furry fandom is a favorite tactic of people just trying to stir up the pot and is as old as Usenet. While your fervor for including all viewpoints is admirable, you should be cautious to not lend credence to people who are just trying to manufacture controversy for it's own sake. If someone says 2+2=4, and someone else says 2+2=6, it doesn't mean 2+2=5. —Ochlophobia (talk) 17:15, 6 December 2007 (UTC)