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WikiProject iconWikipedia:WikiProject Scouting is part of the Scouting WikiProject, an effort to build a comprehensive and detailed guide to Scouting and Guiding on the Wikipedia. This includes but is not limited to boy and girl organizations, WAGGGS and WOSM organizations as well as those not so affiliated, country and region-specific topics, and anything else related to Scouting. If you would like to participate, you can edit the article attached to this page, or visit the project page, where you can join the project and/or contribute to the discussion.ScoutingWikipedia:WikiProject ScoutingTemplate:WikiProject ScoutingScouting articles
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Article Content, remarks
Scouting Describes the movement of Scouting: history (founding, growth), activities one does in Scouting, organization, should cover both male (Boy Scouts and Cubs) and female (Girl Guides and Brownies), younger/older sections, international
Scout Movement redirect to Scouting
Boy Scout About the boy 11-17 years, activities he does in Scouting, Troop/Patrol, Scout Law, Motto, Uniform. Not about history, not about the organization or movement. This article should include a remark that girls may follow this line of Scouting too, instead of being a Girl Guide (Europe/World line of thinking)
Scout remains disambiguation page
Girl Guide and Girl Scout About the girl, article equivalent to Boy Scout
Girl Guide, Girl Scout redirect to GG&GS (US line of thinking)
Cub Scout, Brownie (Girl Guides) About the little boy/girl, equivalent to Boy Scout
Robert Baden-Powell, 1st Baron Baden-Powell About the person Baden-Powell, and his personal history. Not about the Scout movement other than his input/influence. Lots of redirects here, btw.
Boy Scouts, Girl Guides, etc General summary pages that have see also links to other Scouting pages. Used to avoid to lead users to more indepth articles, no longer disambiguation pages due to all the confusion of different naming conventions. All other plurals redirect to the singular per Wikipedia standard, not to Scouting or a separate organization oriented article
WOSM, WAGGGS Articles about the current international organization. Not about the Scouting movement, history pertaining to the organization only.

L. Ron Hubbard good article reassessment

L. Ron Hubbard has been nominated for a good article reassessment. Articles are typically reviewed for one week. Please leave your comments and help us to return the article to good article quality. If concerns are not addressed during the review period, the good article status will be removed from the article. Reviewers' concerns are here. Cirt (talk) 09:37, 1 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

A project userpage side bar

The Yorkshire project has a neat sidebar that you can add to your user page. It is at {{Wikipedia:WikiProject Yorkshire/Sidebar}}. Click here Wikipedia:WikiProject Yorkshire/Sidebar to see it. Would be a good idea if we had something similar? It needs to be aligned to the right I think. --Bduke (Discussion) 11:11, 2 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

We could use the project template: "WPScouting Navigation" or a modified version thereof. — Rlevse • Talk • 11:40, 2 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
And upgrading that to use {{sidebar}} or {{sidebar with collapsible lists}} is on my do list. --—— Gadget850 (Ed) talk - 12:54, 2 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Collapsible lists please. — Rlevse • Talk • 14:16, 2 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Scouting Sections Infobox

I propose that we deprecate {{Scouting Sections Infobox}} in favor of {{Infobox WorldScouting}}. Only a few articles use Scouting Sections, and WorldScouting has had the Next and Previous fields for quite a while. Compare the infobox in Cub Scouts (The Scout Association) to Boy Scouting (Boy Scouts of America). --—— Gadget850 (Ed) talk - 13:04, 2 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Fine with me. — Rlevse • Talk • 14:15, 2 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
{{Scouting Sections Infobox}} is no longer used. I am going to put this up for deletion. --—— Gadget850 (Ed) talk - 15:40, 6 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I know I'm probably not welcome here, but...

...has there been any progress in terms of removing all of the logos that are not absolutely necessary from scouting articles? I see that one that lingered on my watchlist, Scouting in Romania, still has a non-free gallery. Is this article an oversight, or has nothing been done? J Milburn (talk) 18:00, 2 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

There is some progress, but this may take a while. See further up at #Scouting logos and non-free perceived overuse. Please remember that your remarks apply to some 300 articles. --jergen (talk) 18:07, 2 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Gadget850 has been working on this hard, I'm sure he'll give a progress report. — Rlevse • Talk • 18:08, 2 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
We are not doing a shotgun approach. We look at each article and image and evaluate the images. If the image is not appropriate in that article, then we look to see if there is someplace where it will properly fit and move it. If we can't fit it, then we let it go. We also update the rationales. It is a bit of a slow process, but we are working on it. A few of the articles that have been worked:
There have been a lot of one off instances where a logo was used in a main article and in parent or child articles: in most cases I have deleted it from all but the main article. I have not even started to work the Scouting by country articles. I did try to search for the gallery tag in the Scouting articles a few days ago, but the server kept crapping out; I need to get back to that.
Would you take a look at Talk:Yawgoog Scout Reservation#Segments.
--—— Gadget850 (Ed) talk - 18:33, 2 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
None of the segments shown in Yawgoog Scout Reservation reaches the threshold of originality; they should all be retagged as public domain. --jergen (talk) 21:02, 2 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
I have tried to add some discussion to the logo's in the articles about nso's in former Dutch colonies, for instance: Surinaamse Padvindsters Raad does it make sense? --Egel Reaction? 18:42, 2 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
A logo inherently represents the organization, thus you don't really need a critical analysis of the logo. What you really should have is content on the organization represented by the logo. --—— Gadget850 (Ed) talk - 20:22, 2 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
That's fine for the article on the organisation, but the mistake is the belief that any article that mentions an organisation has some kind of right to have an image of said organisation's logo. I can see progress is being made here, so I am happy to leave you to it- I'll certainly keep an eye on how things are going and join discussions, but I'll leave you to do most of the actual removing. J Milburn (talk) 10:59, 5 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Your tone and your attitude are why you perceive you are not welcome here. You'd be most welcome if you'd stop talking down to us. There is no "mistake", it's a difference in interpretation. There's nothing to "leave us to", we're all grownups and even put our pants on by ourselves. We don't need anyone to "keep an eye on" anything, but thanks, daddy. Do you even understand how filled with condescension your writing is? Treat us like people and you're welcome anytime. Chris (クリス • フィッチ) (talk) 17:29, 5 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

asked on Jergen's talkpage, unanswered

Jergen put an awful lot of (unexplained) work into splitting Russian articles into "in exile" and "Russia", and then piped them right back to Scouting in Russia. What is the purpose of that? Is someone planning on writing the articles? I'm not, and I see no need for the split thus. Chris (クリス • フィッチ) (talk) 15:24, 3 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Muslim American Scouting

Has anyone ever heard of this? http://www.masscouting.org/ Chris (クリス • フィッチ) (talk) 03:55, 5 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

No. It looks like something separate from BSA, like Royal Rangers. — Rlevse • Talk • 11:40, 5 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
I can't tell if this is supposed to be a separate Scouting organization or if it is a group like the National Islamic Committee on Scouting. I have added this to the todo list at Talk:Scouting in the United States for monitoring. --—— Gadget850 (Ed) talk - 16:48, 6 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
According to these sources they belong to the Boy Scouts of America and Girl Scouts of America.

[1], [2], [3], [4], [5]-Yours in Scouting Phips (talk) 21:34, 6 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

New articles

When you find or create and tag new Scouting articles, please add categories to them. You can rate them too, but I don't mind rating them. 00:56, 6 October 2008 (UTC)

Image:Scout logo2.svg

Recently some new users have expressed that they do not feel Girl Scouts get equal time at this Project. That is both understandable and unavoidable. The vast bulk of Internet users are male and American, so unfortunately the Project has a BSA systemic bias it does not intend, just as the whole of the Wikipedia is pointed that way. However, we can be more proactive. I propose sending Image:Scout logo2.svg to the Graphic Lab to have the hollow trefoil filled in with green, so that both the boy emblem and the girl emblem have substance, bulk and texture. When I first designed the original, I didn't even think about that, I was trying to simply incorporate both emblems. Now this seems like a natural progression. Any thoughts? Chris (クリス • フィッチ) (talk) 01:05, 9 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I have been meaning to bring that up. When we use the logo on a green background, the trefoil pretty much disappears. --—— Gadget850 (Ed) talk - 02:12, 9 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
The request is at Wikipedia:Graphic_Lab/Image_workshop#Scout Wikiproject logo (our own image, so free to tweak) Chris (クリス • フィッチ) (talk) 03:03, 9 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • Symmetrical version with filled in trefoil
    Symmetrical version with filled in trefoil

"eco-scouts on the coast of Black Sea"

Interesting the permutations one finds googling. http://www.eeiu.org/chapters/sevastopol/updates.html Chris (クリス • フィッチ) (talk) 14:52, 9 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

See Green Scouting. --—— Gadget850 (Ed) talk - 18:50, 20 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

use of WOSM photos

Do we have any sort of permission from WOSM, or how do we obtain it? I found this rogues' gallery http://www.scout.org/en/our_organisation/governance/world_committee .

Most from WOSM site is under a Creative Commons Public License see: http://www.scout.org/en/copyright . --Egel Reaction? 16:56, 9 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
WOSM excludes commercial usage in its CC License, so the material is not usable in wikipedia. --jergen (talk) 19:01, 9 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I would like to standardize the way we do our navigational templates. Currently, some are mixed and a bit confusing. This is a general outline; specific changes would be discussed on the template talk pages. --—— Gadget850 (Ed) talk - 13:47, 10 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

BSAseries

Scouting Sections

This one I don't understand what the issue is, it seems like a good one to me. Chris (クリス • フィッチ) (talk) 13:56, 10 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
NSOs with multiple articles should have a specific navbox. Compare the section links at the bottom of The Scout Association and Scouts Australia; the first uses Scouting Sections, the second uses the Scouts Australia navbox. I would rather use the navbox alone, as it can list more related articles. --—— Gadget850 (Ed) talk - 17:12, 10 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Country and NSO templates

  • Separate Scouting by country and Scouting by NSO templates:
    • Scouting by country templates should include only the main article for each NSO and any regional article that cover all NSOs.
    • Scouting by NSO templates should cover only the NSO, its sections, any other related content and regional articles specific to the NSO.
      • Example: {{Scouts Australia}} is about Scouting in Australia; it should include only the main article for each NSO and none of the section articles; NSO templates should be created as needed
    • We should examine each template and rename as needed to properly reflect the content; country templates should be renamed to Scouting in country; NSO templates should reflect the NSO name

I disagree about Australia. Scouting is not so complex here that we need two templates. {{Scouts Australia}} is fine, but it should be renamed to {{Scouting in Australia}}. The sections are specifically called Scouts Australia Sections, and we can add the B-PSA sections as the only other organisation that exists, although on a small scale. We do need to address Guiding in Australia, but we just do not have an editor interested in it. I plan to have a review of all Oz articles soon, but I am tied up right now. --Bduke (Discussion) 22:23, 10 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Scouting

  • {{Scouting}}: this template has grown to the point where I am no longer quite sure of its purpose; it think it was supposed to show our FA and GA articles. I propose that it reflect only those articles that are international or universal.
Brian, explain the last bit? Chris (クリス • フィッチ) (talk) 00:35, 11 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
There is a section called "Other Scouting articles" which contains Category:Scouting organizations and associations · Mafeking Cadet Corps · The Scout Association of Hong Kong · South African Scout Association · Scouts Canada. What is the criteria for inclusion? --Bduke (Discussion) 21:45, 12 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Yeah, I'd take that out too. It looks like someone was just adding their pet projects, like with notable people. Poland and Hong Kong do not have global (or regional) impact. For good faith, maybe it's just that those articles were well-developed. But there's still no justification for them in the template. Chris (クリス • フィッチ) (talk) 01:06, 13 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Names

I am proposing some template naming standards:

  • NSO specific templates should be "Scoutorg xxx", where xxx is the abbreviation; example {{Scoutorg BSA}}
  • Country templates should be "Scouting in xxx" where xxx is the country; example {{Scouting in the United States}}

This will help to clarify use; for example, if {{Scouts Australia}} about the NSO or the country. --—— Gadget850 (Ed) talk - 14:27, 12 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I agree. I have been guilty of shifting the emphasis of a template without renaming it. --Bduke (Discussion) 21:47, 12 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Specific recommendations


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