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Response to message in Drrll User Talk

Please respond to my most recent message on my user talk page. Thanks.--Drrll (talk) 20:44, 28 January 2010 (UTC)

Is there an alternative to the BLPN for bringing in the opinions of others? I would take it to BLPN, except that it looks to be simply a way to report someone for action to be taken against them.--Drrll (talk) 00:38, 2 February 2010 (UTC)

Reply on your talk. --Ronz (talk) 01:14, 2 February 2010 (UTC)

Copy right violations - I will take more care.

Article : Coconut Oil You observed that My contributions to Coconut Oil page violated copyrwright rules and it appears I overlooked while contributing. I will take more care in future while contributing. Thank you.

How to sign my post? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Rayabhari (talk • contribs) 11:45, 29 January 2010 (UTC)

Thanks for the reply! --Ronz (talk) 16:22, 29 January 2010 (UTC)

Just a note - related to beer in mexico

Hi Ronz, I just wanted to leave you a note, since we seem to run into eachother once in a while. While we do tend to disagree on how wikipedia should work, I wanted to say that it is nothing personal. In general I am against tagging articles, unless there is a clear cut benefit to doing so. So many tags are added that don't encourage edits and mearly retract from the overall effect of the article. Note that this is probably not the case for the beers of mexico article. Regards, CoolMike (talk) 22:50, 29 January 2010 (UTC)

Thanks for the note. I'm still trying to figure a good approach for food and drink articles. They attract a great deal of spam and promotional material. For now, I'm settling with some quick cleanup and tagging. In the rare occasion where there's a response, it can get a bit frustrating if editors argue for the status quo. --Ronz (talk) 00:21, 30 January 2010 (UTC)

NPOV requires representing multiple points of view

I think that the article about fluoridation doesn't represent the point of view that fluoride is harmful instead of healthy! By removing my annex you violate this principle! I don't know what means FRINGE. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Pdraganov (talk • contribs) 21:53, 31 January 2010 (UTC)

Thanks for the comment. Opposition to water fluoridation presents the specific topic in detail. WP:FRINGE describes how to properly handle these situations. --Ronz (talk) 22:06, 31 January 2010 (UTC)

Polimore spam and User:81.213.223.53

I've blocked the IP for 24 hours - report again at AIV if more is necessary. Regards, JohnCD (talk) 21:58, 31 January 2010 (UTC)

Thanks! I doubt there'll be any objections to the blacklisting, so this should end quickly. --Ronz (talk) 21:59, 31 January 2010 (UTC)

Thankyou Ronz

Thankyou for your message and I am definitely new to all of this and still learning. I will take everything that you have said into consideration, plus read the relevant links and ensure that any information placed up in the future is better substantiated or more relevant.

Thanks for the welcome notes and take care. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Simonchalky (talk • contribs) 22:55, 2 February 2010 (UTC)

Thanks for responding. You're correct in that you can't go far wrong if you make sure information is substantiated and relevant. --Ronz (talk) 23:25, 2 February 2010 (UTC)

AHRS linkfarm edit?

Hello, You seemed to delete a valid list of vendors (except for two) from the AHRS entry. Can you explain your position here? All vendors listed seemed valid, and provide a good reference comparison for this kind of technology. Thanks, ~Mr Yan —Preceding unsigned comment added by MrYan3434 (talk • contribs) 04:59, 3 February 2010 (UTC)

Sorry I wasn't clear. It was a list of external links except for the two you. See WP:EL and WP:NOTLINK. --Ronz (talk) 15:30, 3 February 2010 (UTC)

bioinfoman.com

Abt Topo cloning page: I added information about the procedure and corrected previously incorrect information. Why am I not allowed to link to my source? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Shelbykins (talk • contribs) 20:22, 4 February 2010 (UTC)

Given your subsequent spamming of the same domain, I thought it best to remove it. Why not use the sources that the site you linked lists instead? --Ronz (talk) 20:32, 4 February 2010 (UTC)

Your rollback request

Hello Ronz, I have granted rollback rights to your account in accordance with your request. Please be aware that rollback should be used to revert vandalism/spam/blatantly unconstructive edits, and that using it to revert anything else (by revert-warring or reverting edits you disagree with) can lead to it being removed from your account...sometimes without any warning, depending on the admin who becomes aware of any misuse. If you think an edit should require a reason for reverting, then don't use rollback and instead, use a manual edit summary. For practice, you may wish to see Wikipedia:New admin school/Rollback. Good luck. Acalamari 19:22, 8 February 2010 (UTC)

Thanks. My plan was to use it mostly with editing tools. --Ronz (talk) 19:28, 8 February 2010 (UTC)

Sleep Hygiene edits

Ronz... I would contend that Sleep hygiene is by its very nature a "how to" topic. Not including the classic tips on the subject, that are handed out by every major authority in sleep medicine is a disservice. The topic had been previously flagged requesting expert opinion and expanded content which I (a registered sleep expert) gladly provided. It is not a conflict of interest as it doesn't promote anything but good sleep hygiene. The rationale listed is well founded and offers an explanation to the layman as to why these tips are recommended. The cited Sleep Training Manual was convenient as it's a published accumulation of research that I have previously put together that cites numerous areas of research that encompass the varying areas of sleep hygiene that would be well beyond the scope of the article itself. One could cite the entire Principles and Practices of Sleep Medicine if it would make you feel better about it. I feel the unwarranted and excessive editing of content is frustrating to the point that people who are experts in these fields really reach a breaking point of not wanting to contribute at all. Which is unfortunate. Cronides2 (talk) 15:54, 9 February 2010 (UTC)

Thanks for the message. Did you read WP:MEDRS and WP:COI, which I mentioned as well? On the article talk page you'll see that the how-to problems have been discussed, and I already gave my opinion there. --Ronz (talk) 16:18, 9 February 2010 (UTC)

BJCP

Could you explain this edit on the talk page, please? — goethean ॐ 20:04, 15 February 2010 (UTC)

Sorry about the confusing edit-summary. I'll explain on the article talk page. Have you looked at the quality of the sources? --Ronz (talk) 20:07, 15 February 2010 (UTC)

Moyers

Hi, could you point out where anything on the page is primary sourced only. I think most things that are primary sourced are also secondarily sourced. Thanks. ► RATEL ◄ 22:54, 15 February 2010 (UTC)

I was concerned with the opinion pieces like citing David Limbaugh's book. --Ronz (talk) 00:40, 16 February 2010 (UTC)

Jack in the Green

Hi Ronz,

I'm slightly confused, you just left a message asking me to stop posting promotional materials on the Jack in the Green Pages. I'd be grateful if you could have another look at what I posted as you will see that the information is completely relevant to the subject. It refers directly to all of the current existing Jack-in-the-Greens that remain in England and the links attached to each title are direct links to the sites used by those Jacks to enable interested parties to be able to find out where and when the Jacks will be each year. I am not linked directly to any of these groups and so am only giving information about a current folklore tradition that is hopefully once again thriving in England and supporting that information with appropriate links. I read the rules carefully before adding this information and can see no infringement of Wikipedias rules. If you could explain why this is an issue I would be grateful. Otherwise I would politely request that you place the information back. My area of expertise is Green Men and The tradition of The Jack-in-the-Green. I am directly related to one of the Chimney sweeps who paraded the Jack in the Green at St Mary's Cray back in the 1890's and so feel that I am able to provide accurate and relevant information regarding this subject.

Regards

Chris Walton —Preceding unsigned comment added by Bogbadger (talk • contribs) 22:02, 16 February 2010 (UTC)

Will reply on your talk. --Ronz (talk) 23:52, 16 February 2010 (UTC)

Ah OK thanks for that Ronz, I think I'm beggining to get it (doh!) So if I reproduce the article without links but cite my sources (probably one or two books that exist) then that might be acceptable? My only issue is that the main source i.e the person who has done the footwork and actualy seen that these events still exist is me and therefore the most reliable source is my website www.thecompanyofthegreenman.co.uk which is constantly updated by the people who have this knowledge and send me the information/pictures etc, but I am unable to cite this as a source due to conflict of interest! bit of a catch 22! If I re-edit it would you mind having a look for me to see if it is heading towards acceptability please Ronz?Bogbadger (talk) 14:12, 17 February 2010 (UTC)

Many thanks

Replied on your talk. --Ronz (talk) 16:38, 17 February 2010 (UTC)

Jack in the Green 2

Hi. I take your point about Bogbadger. However, as regards the current Jacks in the Green, the only "reliable" source you are ever likely to get for the background to most revived folk customs is what the participants themselves tell you; these days, that is generally via their website. If you trawl local newspaper reports you are likely to get the same stuff word-for-word (plus the odd obligatory local press typos and slapdash errors). If you are going to tag a remarkably well-referenced web article such as the "The Dirt on the Jack-in-the-Green" one as an unreliable source (it has a full list of published sources, and maintains an admirably sceptical attitude to various "origin theories", despite having been published in a potentially rather flaky publication), then you are obviously extremely difficult to satisfy.

And thanks, by the way, for undoing all the extra bits of editing that I did to the "Current Jack-in-the-Greens" [sic] section and other parts of the article. Would you care to reinstate some of that? Cheers. SiGarb | (Talk) 19:00, 17 February 2010 (UTC)

I've reinstated the subsection you added and removed the rs tag from the ref. I tagged the reference hoping for some feedback. Thanks for providing some.

I've removed the rest per WP:V and the other policies and guidelines I mentioned on your talk. I share your concerns about the types of sources available, hence the removal of the material. I'd hope we can find some proper sources. Maybe in the entries in the Bibliography section which I noted on the talk page? --Ronz (talk) 19:23, 17 February 2010 (UTC)

Howard Zinn contribution

Hi Ronz You have twice deleted the contribution I made by adding a collection of lins to Howard Zinn, external links. Your reason was, that the list is not in English. Well at least it is bilangual, and the only non-English is the bilangual foreword, (and some subject-headins at the buttom of page 1) - the rest, all the linsk are in English. So I hope you will reconsider the list made by some librarian collegues of mine, since it is o.k. from a librarian point of view, buth in contens and form, from the angle of progressive sources. Howard Zinn (1922-2010) http://www.modkraft.dk/spip.php?article12484

Yours Jørgen Lund Librarian —Preceding unsigned comment added by 217.60.193.24 (talk) 13:01, 18 February 2010 (UTC)

My reason was that it was not in English and redundant with the links and other information. Take it up on the article's talk page. --Ronz (talk) 01:38, 19 February 2010 (UTC)

calavera beer

I know you are very protective of the Beer in Mexico page, but the information about Calavera shouldnt be completely deleted. After all, the info about the Santa Fe Brewing Company above it can be considered to be just as "spammy" and these guys seem to have beers that at not common in Mexico. I did, however, tell the other guy that he needs to cite the passage better. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Thelmadatter (talk • contribs) 01:33, 19 February 2010 (UTC)

Thanks for the note.

I'm not "protective" of it, other than to prevent it from getting worse.

If there's other problematic material, fix it, tag it, or discuss it on the talk page. Don't use it as an excuse for more of the same. --Ronz (talk) 01:40, 19 February 2010 (UTC)

User talk:Wiki-expert-edit

Hello Ronz. This user is complaining about an unsourced allegation in the Naveen Jain article. Since you've been following this article more closely in the past year, do you know the answer to his question about the Short Swing law? (asked at the bottom of the page). Thanks, EdJohnston (talk) 03:33, 19 February 2010 (UTC)

I'll take a look. --Ronz (talk) 16:23, 19 February 2010 (UTC)

Thanks. The material he just removed may not really be all that essential to the article. The COI issue was one of extreme beautification and removal of Jain's well-sourced history; this one is different. EdJohnston (talk) 19:16, 19 February 2010 (UTC)

It fits the pattern of problems that the article has had for years: whitewashing factual information from the article. If Jain hadn't litigated over the situation as he had, I'd have agreed that it would deserve minimal treatment. At this point, I'm surprised no one has tried to expand on it with information from his suit and appeals, which went all the way to the Supreme Court. --Ronz (talk) 04:12, 21 February 2010 (UTC)

Richard Rossi

Why do you think these are off-topic? One is the subject's church, which he founded and currently runs (the article of which is about to be deleted); the other is the subject's movie (perhaps a link to the bio subpage is preferable). THF (talk) 18:24, 20 February 2010 (UTC)

Great job on the cleanup there!

Regarding the links, external links should be to information about Richard Rossi. If there's a bio or profile subpage in either of those sites, which I couldn't find as I indicated in my edit summary, then linking to those subpages would be appropriate, especially when there is no sites the meet WP:ELOFFICIAL. All I could find was http://aimeesemplemcphersonmovie.com/7101.html, which doesn't include enough information about him. --Ronz (talk) 03:31, 21 February 2010 (UTC)

Wikipedia Entry: Naveen Jain

I have done my best to provide you with the sources and corrected the information based on the facts but you seem to disagree with it. I don't want to edit-war with you but don't understand the reasoning for you undoing it. I have read all the facts on this particular situation and what I am quoting here are the facts. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Wiki-expert-edit (talk • contribs) 00:16, 21 February 2010 (UTC)

You've not provided the sources, ever. Instead, you edit-war. Your most recent changes were confusing, even nonsensical. They've been changed by another editor. If you continue to edit-war, you'll face longer blocks, and eventually be banned. --Ronz (talk) 04:05, 21 February 2010 (UTC)

Wikipedia Entry: Naveen Jain

You are completely incorrect. See definition of 16 (b) below. It's simply a profit recovery mechanism irrespective of knowledge or intent. This is unlike 10 (b) law which is insider trading law requiring knowledge and intent of trading shares.

16 (b) applies to all beneficial owner, director, or officer of the issuer. Any profit realized by him/her from any purchase and sale, or any sale and purchase, of any equity security of such issuer (other than an exempted security) or a security-based swap agreement (as defined in section 206B of the Gramm-Leach-Bliley Act) involving any such equity security within any period of less than six months, unless such security or security- based swap agreement was acquired in connection with a debt previously contracted, shall inure to and be recoverable by the issuer, irrespective of any intention on the part of such beneficial owner, director, or officer in entering into such transaction of holding the security or security-based swap agreement purchased or of not repurchasing the security or security-based swap agreement sold for a period exceeding six months. Suit to recover such profit may be instituted at law or in equity in any court of competent jurisdiction by the issuer, or by the owner of any security of the issuer in the name and in behalf of the issuer if the issuer shall fail or refuse to bring such suit within sixty days after request or shall fail diligently to prosecute the same thereafter; but no such suit shall be brought more than two years after the date such profit was realized. This subsection shall not be construed to cover any transaction where such beneficial owner was not such both at the time of the purchase and sale, or the sale and purchase, of the security or security based swap agreement (as defined in section 206B of the Gramm-Leach Bliley Act) involved, or any transaction or transactions which the Commission by rules and regulations may exempt as not comprehended within the purpose of this subsection. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Wiki-expert-edit (talk • contribs) 20:28, 22 February 2010 (UTC)

I'm going to stick to the sources. --Ronz (talk) 20:51, 22 February 2010 (UTC)

Wikipedia Entry: Naveen Jain

I made changes to make it similar to what you had it before. I think we are very close on the content to what's accurate for a reference article. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Wiki-expert-edit (talk • contribs) 21:16, 22 February 2010 (UTC)

You removed sourced information, again. You've not explained why. --Ronz (talk) 21:44, 22 February 2010 (UTC)

User:Wiki-expert-edit

Thanks for notifying him. I've done a few 3RR reports and never saw that instruction. --NeilN ^{talk to me} 05:20, 24 February 2010 (UTC)

Good catch on [1] BTW. --NeilN ^{talk to me} 05:24, 24 February 2010 (UTC)

Reiki article

Hi, hope all is well. If you have time would you check out this article and the changes that have been made? My first impulse was to take the article back prior to the recent edits of xxglenxx. This editor has removed paragraphs that are cited. It also reads with his specific POV from my perspective. Here's the changes that show in the history. I picked you since you have edited this article at another time with this editor so I thought you might know the editor better. Plus I usually just watch for vandalism because my POV on this is extreme. ;)

On a different note, how's your friend? Should I take this to email? Thanks, --CrohnieGal^Talk 19:01, 25 February 2010 (UTC)

Thanks for the note. We've been crossing paths a bit in various articles, and I've been meaning to drop you a note.

I've not looked at the changes in much detail, but it appears to be mostly cleanup and organization. I've specifically looked for removal of good sources and sourced info, but haven't noticed any. Are you sure he's removed sourced information and not just moved it?

There's still cleanup to do just getting the Notes/References in sync.

The big work involves giving all the sources and their use need a going-over, with an eye to WP:MEDRS and NPOV.

Email me about my friend. --Ronz (talk) 19:14, 25 February 2010 (UTC)

Ok email has just been sent to you! :) As for the Reika article, it looks like two paragraphs have disapperared but maybe he did move it in the rewrite. I guess I need to look a lot closer, but not today. My time on the computer is about done. --CrohnieGal^Talk 20:33, 25 February 2010 (UTC)

Alicia Silverstone

Hey. As I'd rather not battle with the anon IP, I started a thread at Talk:Alicia Silverstone#Recent edits about her site so we can discuss these edits. — HelloAnnyong ^{(say whaaat?!)} 21:39, 28 February 2010 (UTC)

Might as well. This problem has been going on for a long time. --Ronz (talk) 21:49, 28 February 2010 (UTC)

User:Oakfromthesmoke

Hi there. I saw your prep for block edit at User talk:Oakfromthesmoke. It looks like this is another sock of User:Eurobeerguide. The relevant sockpuppet investigation is archived here. I'm unsure of how to reopen a sock investigation, or if simply a new one is to be opened. If you have more knowledge in these matters, perhaps you could help out in blocking this sock. Cheers, Steamroller Assault (talk) 16:01, 1 March 2010 (UTC)

Yep. I report him at WP:AIV, given how obvious the problems are. --Ronz (talk) 16:04, 1 March 2010 (UTC)

Ed Young

Ronz -

I am attempting to make the article for Ed Young more acceptable in the Wiki world. There is a section that appears occassionally titled "Controversy" that has misinformation that I delete. I've done what I can to make this entire article neutral, without biased or slanted information. Please let me know what else I can do for this. I look forward to your help in this matter. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Theandyboyd (talk • contribs) 19:26, 1 March 2010 (UTC)

Thanks for the note. I'm not sure when I'll have much time to work on it. The tags should give some direction. I'm assuming Young can meet WP:N criteria, though the article doesn't yet have references that show this. --Ronz (talk) 20:15, 1 March 2010 (UTC)

The following was reinserted to the Media Attention section:

In February 2010, an investigative story based on unnamed sources that reported Young is living a much more lavish lifestyle than his church members and the public knew. Allegations include owning and vacationing in an $8 million Falcon 50 airplane, a $1 million salary, a $240,000 per year parsonage allowance, a $1.5 million home, and many companies selling his sermons for profit (which the church watchdog group Trinity Foundation of Dallas believe should belong to the church and be available for free).

While much of the original malicious content was removed in the latest edit, the other side was not reported. Allegations did not include owning a jet. The others - the salary, the house cost, etc. - were based on misinformation by the reporter. He was questioned about this by a local radio station the following week, which was not included, and he failed to meet several tenants of basic journalism throughout that story.

All allegations were refuted by Ed Young the following weekend in front of the church.

Theandyboyd (talk) 17:10, 2 March 2010 (UTC)

Yes. If it fails BLP, it doesn't belong. I'm not sure it's proper to remove the reference completely, provided it is used with care. Either way, it needs to be discussed. --Ronz (talk) 17:47, 2 March 2010 (UTC)

Yes, the reference should probably be in there but cut down extensively. It was a major story that Young was investigated and should be noted but should be dually noted that he refuted all claims at the church. I will make an attempt to neutralize it. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Bsmith016 (talk • contribs) 06:49, 9 March 2010 (UTC)

Sybian.. You have previous history of editing this page

Some editor named WLU has taken it upon himself to correct the Sybian page. He has omitted many details that were important to wiki users. Can you look at the article and help clean it up, He does not like me too well, as I told him his revisions were spiteful...

Karen —Preceding unsigned comment added by 1rapunzle (talk • contribs) 22:18, 1 March 2010 (UTC)

Thanks for the note. I suggest starting a discussion on the article talk page, pointing out the specific information that concerns you. As you know, the article has been a magnet for promotional material for a very long time. --Ronz (talk) 22:46, 1 March 2010 (UTC)

Informercial

On infomercial am i able to at least write company names?

product examples? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 204.191.138.12 (talk) 03:12, 2 March 2010 (UTC)

Thanks for starting a discussion. You can write about just about anything relevant to the topic, if you include independent, reliable sources that verify the information. I'd be surprised if such sources couldn't be found for the larger companies. --Ronz (talk) 03:17, 2 March 2010 (UTC)

I'd be surprised if such sources couldn't be found for the larger companies. What does that mean?

on my first edit i sourced infomercial websites.

can i list any product from the companies?

i'm not trying to advertise anything, just list the products that the companies have.

can i undo your edit now?

thanks. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 204.191.138.12 (talk) 03:29, 2 March 2010 (UTC)

hello again #3, are you a soap opera fan of Y&R? thanks. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 204.191.138.12 (talk) 03:43, 2 March 2010 (UTC)

The sources you used were just their own websites. The sources need to be independent of the entities you're referring to per WP:SELFPUB, as well as reliable sources themselves.

I'd guess that there is some news coverage of infomercial companies that could be used. --Ronz (talk) 04:26, 2 March 2010 (UTC)

Y&R

did you get my message? are you a soap opera fan of Y&R? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 204.191.138.12 (talk) 04:08, 2 March 2010 (UTC)

I don't know what Y&R is. --Ronz (talk) 04:24, 2 March 2010 (UTC)

FYI

Hello, hope you are well. I just want to let you know I'll get back to you hopefully next week. I got rushed to ER through 911 Tuesday evening and got home Friday afternoon. I was very sick and still running real slow. If you want, I'll fill you in later when I respond back to you. I just want to let you know I got it and that I'm not ignoring you. :) Be well, --CrohnieGal^Talk 18:04, 7 March 2010 (UTC)

Thanks for letting me know. Get well! --Ronz (talk) 19:08, 7 March 2010 (UTC)

Mediation request

I have made a request for mediation here: Wikipedia:Mediation Cabal/Cases/2010-03-08/The Professors: The 101 Most Dangerous Academics in America. Just wanted to give you a heads up. Regards, ~ Alcmaeonid (talk) 16:33, 9 March 2010 (UTC)

Thanks to the notification. I'll not participate given that editors are simply ignoring policy. --Ronz (talk) 16:44, 9 March 2010 (UTC)

about solidworks

hi Ronz I'm mechanical engineer new here and I'm not spammer i just want to connect all subject related to solidworks cad cam program together just it , i don't know why think that I'm spammer . solidworks all mechanical engineer know it didn't need advertisement, sorry agian i didn't know all rules 217.52.178.38 (talk) 21:21, 10 March 2010 (UTC)

Following up on AIV, seeing that you restored your blog link again. --Ronz (talk) 22:41, 10 March 2010 (UTC)

Why are the Wikipedia articles of Star Trek, Caprica (TV series), Smallville, and Stargate allowed to have External Links to to fan Wikis and NOT the Wikipedia article of NORAD Tracks Santa ??

Ronz - received this note from you. Welcome to Wikipedia. Although everyone is welcome to contribute to the encyclopedia, one or more of the external links you added do not comply with our guidelines for external links and have been removed. Wikipedia is not a collection of links; nor should it be used as a platform for advertising or promotion, and doing so is contrary to the goals of this project. Because Wikipedia uses nofollow tags, external links do not alter search engine rankings. If you feel the link should be added to the article, please discuss it on the article's talk page before reinserting it. Please take a look at the welcome page to learn more about contributing to this encyclopedia. Thank you.Template:Do not delete [2] --Ronz (talk) 02:31, 16 March 2010 (UTC)

However, I have seen that Wikipedia articles of Star Trek, Caprica (TV series), Smallville, and Stargate each have an encyclopedic set of entries and provide access to fan Wikis such as Star Trek Wiki, Caprica and Battlestar Wiki, Smallville Wiki, Stargate Wiki.

What is the issue in having the same with the NORAD Tracks Santa article having a Wiki access of NORAD Tracks Wiki for the devotees of the effort. As Simon Peter Hughes phrased it quite well on the NORAD Tracks Santa Talk Page "I think such a link (to [NORAD Tracks Wiki]) here (at the NORAD Tracks Santa Wikipedia article) could prevent further grief in the future. Simon Peter Hughes (talk)" That I whole heartily agree with !!!

Besides why do these Wikipedia articles of Wikipedia articles of Star Trek, Caprica (TV series), Smallville, and Stargate each have an encyclopedic set of entries and provide access to fan Wikis such as Star Trek Wiki, Caprica and Battlestar Wiki, Smallville Wiki, Stargate Wiki for devotees and not NORAD Tracks Santa ??? Please explain that !!! Otherwise it seems like a "double-standard"

Check the NORAD Tracks Santa Talk page for "Where previous versions of the article could go and a Link to a NORAD Tracks Santa Wiki from the Wikipedia Article" BillJohnson0003 (talk) 02:48, 16 March 2010 (UTC)

I've addressed this at Talk:NORAD_Tracks_Santa#Splitting_this_up_into_seven_different_articles_is_not_the_answer. If you don't understand my response, disagree with it, or require further clarification, please do so there. I'll do the same. --Ronz (talk) 03:47, 16 March 2010 (UTC)

I would be happy with such a link, as a harmless case of interpreting policies elastically. However, Ronz is a hardliner in these affairs and has policy on his side. I am not going to fight a battle that I can't win for something that I am not interested in. I believe he was attracted here by the completely unnecessary fighting that accompanied the clean-up work. Now he is here and watches the article. Tough luck. Hans Adler 10:32, 16 March 2010 (UTC)

Wiki Beep Test Page

Hello Ronz, Have added a topic on the discussion page about a link to the complete guide to the beeptest on TopEndSports it really is very useful, why is this being deleted in favour of Rugbycoach.com which is not as comprehensive. Rob Wood (Sports Enthusiast) has worked very hard to pull all the beeptest information together onto the TopEndSports site & is very useful link for wiki users. Best Regards Ian Bickerton —Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.33.41.160 (talk) 22:26, 20 March 2010 (UTC)

Thanks for following up on this. Let's see what response you get with the article discussion you started. --Ronz (talk) 01:32, 21 March 2010 (UTC)

Dental floss

I've had a bit of a hunt around regarding the dental floss claim, and think I understand how it started. I've put a short note on the talk page. Cheers Clovis Sangrail (talk) 11:28, 21 March 2010 (UTC)

Thanks! --Ronz (talk) 16:59, 21 March 2010 (UTC)

so called vandlism

i was updateing the new korn album as it is on wikipedia here is the link http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Korn_III:_Remember_Who_You_Are if u wont let me update it then you could do it your self lol —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.170.57.0 (talk) 12:23, 21 March 2010 (UTC)

The warning applies to all the prior edits from that ip. If you're editing from a shared IP address, and you didn't make the edits, consider creating an account for yourself so you can avoid further irrelevant notices. --Ronz (talk) 17:02, 21 March 2010 (UTC)

Eukarya

Please do not add "Eukarya" to taxoboxes by reverting edits. Eukarya is not required. Komodoboy16 18:24, 23 March 2010 (UTC)

I made a few edits before I realized it was fine without it. I saw no need to undo the edits though. Please don't label them "vandalism". --Ronz (talk) 18:59, 23 March 2010 (UTC)

spammed links on user talk pages ..

Ronz, would you mind to use {{LinkSummaryLive}} (with the domain as the first parameter) on the talkpages of spammers that you tag? It gives some extra functionality, and quicker finding of problem-editors. Thanks! --Dirk Beetstra ^{T C} 11:05, 24 March 2010 (UTC)

By the way, would it be useful for you to have access to User:COIBot/Poke ?? --Dirk Beetstra ^{T C} 11:07, 24 March 2010 (UTC)

Probably a good idea. I've been experimenting with it, but haven't been using it very consistently.

I'll have to look into User:COIBot/Poke. Thanks for pointing it out. --Ronz (talk) 17:14, 24 March 2010 (UTC)

I have added you as a trusted user for using User:COIBot/Poke. If you need it, you can. --Dirk Beetstra ^{T C} 11:41, 25 March 2010 (UTC)

Thanks! --Ronz (talk) 15:10, 25 March 2010 (UTC)

Interaction Design

Hi Ronz
Don't you think that some mention of SID was well placed in that Article on Interaction Design, really ? Or ~did you undo it because the way to place it was inappropriate ?--Nanomega (talk) 22:19, 24 March 2010 (UTC)

Oops, after a closer look I see that you added SID into the internal links, wich has the same purpose though less explicite. That might do the trick.

Given that the Article is lacking citations, I intend to prepare a short section on "Further Reading" occasionally. Do you have any idea ?
--Nanomega (talk) 22:31, 24 March 2010 (UTC)

Reiki Article

Hi Ronz, The Changes I made were to correct the misquotation and misrepresentation of a scientific article that I added to the page. I simply corrected the way the article was referenced to support a claim that was not made in the paper. I have not added any personal analysis, but have upheld the neutral point of view policy by correcting a opinionated statement that is not representative of the source referenced. Please message me back if you have any further points of interest so we can go through in detail the reference and why I made each specific change. Thank you and I'm sorry if my changes have caused you any upset.

-Vajko —Preceding unsigned comment added by Vajko (talk • contribs) 02:34, 26 March 2010 (UTC)

Thanks for following up. If you didn't notice my edit summaries, I disagree with the changes to the summaries and conclusions.

Let's discuss on the article talk to make it easier to get others involved. There are multiple related discussions there already. --Ronz (talk) 17:56, 26 March 2010 (UTC)

"Failed verification" on Balsamic vinegar

Could you please explain in Talk:Balsamic_vinegar why the reference to the producer consortium failed verification? I understand that their website is not a third-party source, but they should be quite a reliable source of information related to production of traditional balsamic vinegar of Modena. The consortium has to examine and approve each bottle of ABTDM before it can be sold in the market. Thanks for your response, -- Ruupert (talk) 16:42, 26 March 2010 (UTC)

Simply, I could not verify the information in the article from the page linked in the article as a reference. See WP:V and WP:REFSPAM. --Ronz (talk) 18:01, 26 March 2010 (UTC)

Their site is made with Flash and does not provide means for linking to individual pages, but the information is not terribly difficult to find: from the main page, open the English/DSL site. For information about the used grapes (Lambrusco and Trebbiano), select "How it is obtained" and then "Harvesting of the grapes". For the aging process, go to "How it is obtained" --> "Aging". --Ruupert (talk) 18:31, 26 March 2010 (UTC)

Thanks for the directions on how to find the verifying information. I'll take a look when I have a chance. --Ronz (talk) 23:11, 26 March 2010 (UTC)

An article that should probably be deleted

I think I've found an article that qualifies for speedy deletion. It is misleadingly titled Haitian Creole Derivatives but it is actually a first lesson for learners of Haitian Creole. The writer appears to be another person who does not properly understand the purpose of Wikipedia. I am letting you know because my experience has shown that you are well versed in these matters.Simon Peter Hughes (talk) 16:46, 26 March 2010 (UTC)

I'll take a look when I have the time. In the meantime you might want to get others involved through WP:THIRD or other options from WP:DR. --Ronz (talk) 18:05, 26 March 2010 (UTC)

Thanks for the adice. I'll do that.Simon Peter Hughes (talk) 04:39, 27 March 2010 (UTC)

Gamelan external links

Hello Ronz, I should like to discuss the edit I made today March 27, which you deleted. As I have not done this 'talk' procedure before, please tell me the best way to go about it. Also please let me know if you have an interest in music and in gamelan music in particular. Thanks, Giovanni —Preceding unsigned comment added by Giovanni Sciarrino (talk • contribs) 22:19, 27 March 2010 (UTC)

Thanks for following up to my note on your talk page.

If you want to get others' opinions on the matter, the article talk page would be the best place for discussion.

As I pointed out on your talk page, I removed the link per WP:NOTLINK, WP:EL and WP:SPAM. This was the third time you've added this link to Gamelan. You've made no other contributions to the article, and no other contributions to Wikipedia in the past three years. --Ronz (talk) 02:41, 28 March 2010 (UTC)

AfD nomination of Governance, risk management, and compliance

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Gamelan external links 2

Hello Ronz, I’m new to interacting on these talk pages, so forgive some questions and naiveté on my part. My signature name is my real name and I'm geographically located near Torino in Northern Italy. What about you? If real identity of interlocutors is not considered relevant in Wikipedia, I shall oblige, although I see some merit in it. Another aspect that I'm curious to know about is rather technical: how come you have reacted so quickly (second deletion) to my (third) addition of the 'Collection of Javanese recordings' in External Links of the 'Gamelan' article. As to the content of the matter, I kindly ask you to consider the following points:

1. . The site that I included as external link, www.gamelan.to, is not a commercial site. There is no opportunity or proposition for buying the recordings. The reproduced full cd-booklet contents, written by authorities in the field, provide a wealth of information of the highest level. The musical excerpts, much longer than the typical commercial samples, are there to document and inform on the musical genre.
2. . The production side of these recordings is totally non-profit. I, as a curator and producer, do not recover my costs nor intend to. On the inlay card of each cd it is written: "Any net revenue received by the producer from the sale of this cd will be employed for the preservation of the Javanese musical tradition." Also, it should be remembered that quantities and money figures involved in this niche of recorded music are extremely small.
3. . If 'my' link to Javanese recordings is to be consider as commercial, then some reference books and other recordings (Smithsonian Folkways, Indonesian Fusion, etc in Music of Indonesia article) should also be considered as commercial. Or, if not, why so.
4. . Two sites included in the External Links of the Gamelan article – 'Balinese and Javanese gamelan' and 'Hands-on simulation etc' – have or lead to commercial propositions.

I hope, Ronz, you may recognize the validity of the above arguments. By the way, on the occasion of my second addition of the link I received the consent of an administrator who is active in the gamelan field. GS (talk) 13:16, 29 March 2010 (UTC)Giovanni Sciarrino

Thanks for continuing to discuss the situation.

As you guessed, it is indeed inappropriate to ask editors for personal information.

As I suggested, take this to the article talk page.

Please review WP:COI. --Ronz (talk) 15:56, 29 March 2010 (UTC)

Maqui berry changes

Thank you, Ronz for changing the article back to its original form, I lost the categories that were there initially and had not replaced them yet. I'm still in the process of writing the article

I am trying to create an informative entry for maqui berry on wikipedia and am in the process of adding relevant and informative links.

this category has been baron for too long. I ask that if you have something to add please add a link or expand upon the thought written but do not just delete everything created.

every link cited is an Informative Article, maybe that should be in Further Reading...

please in future be constructive instead of trying to be a wrist slapper. The entries will be better because of it.

-iwebwork —Preceding unsigned comment added by Iwebwork (talk • contribs) 20:16, 29 March 2010 (UTC)

I'm requesting your account be blocked per WP:U. --Ronz (talk) 20:19, 29 March 2010 (UTC)

Max Gerson entry

Hello,

I am a Gerson scholar and published scientist. Additionally, I chaired an NIH report chapter that discussed Gerson's contributions. While it is true that a few proponents of Gerson have made extraordinary claims, Gerson did not do so himself. I am on record stating that Gerson's treatment is not a cure for advanced cancer.

But, I don't think that history should be revised. The 2 peer-reviewed articles and 1 medical monograph that I cited more than support my prose. Dr. Urbach was a grand dean of American dermatology, and his recitation of the list of authors (clinical investigators) who approved of Gerson's dietary therapy for skin tuberculosis should be sufficient to support my written statement.

What troubled you about the entry?

Gar —Preceding unsigned comment added by Ghildenbrand (talk • contribs) 22:14, 29 March 2010 (UTC)

Thanks for following up on this.

I've started discussions at the talk page on two concerns with your suggested edits, and listed relevant policies and guidelines. --Ronz (talk) 22:23, 29 March 2010 (UTC)

Gamelan external links 3

Hello Ronz, for the moment I give-up. Too time-consuming. This situation made me focus on generalizing the issue and I realize that there are in Wikipedia.org tens (hundreds, thousands?) of instances of articles not only about commercial companies and undertakings but also providing indications apt to inducing purchases. It is not even the case, I think, that I provide examples but I would if requested. Would you kindly comment on this? SincerelyGS (talk) 20:26, 1 April 2010 (UTC)Giovanni Sciarrino

Sorry I been delayed in following up on this.

Yes, there's lots of cases of Wikipedia being used for promotional purposes. Many more are removed every day.

I don't understand what value you think the link provides. I'm guessing the site doesn't work well with my browser set-up. All I see is a list of CDs, with information on each CD. --Ronz (talk) 20:39, 1 April 2010 (UTC)

Help.

Dear Ronz, I am helping to create a page on wiki for "Master DeRose". I am a fan of his work and I also teach one kind of Yoga, called DeRose Method, which he is the codifier. Unfortunately Wikipedia wants to delete this page, saying that has a few issues not solved. I really don't know what to do, even because all content that I put is based in books written in Portuguese and Spanish by him and his disciples. Any help from you will be really well-come. Regards, Pacifici —Preceding unsigned comment added by Pacifici2010 (talk • contribs) 00:34, 2 April 2010 (UTC)

Thanks for looking into this.

"all content that I put is based in books written in Portuguese and Spanish by him and his disciples" That's the reason it will be deleted. The solution is to either meet our general notability criteria with multiple, independent, reliable sources that cover DeRose in a non-trivial way, or by meeting other WP:BIO criteria.

Another editor, fluent in Portuguese, has offered to help with this. Hopefully, we'll find appropriate sources. --Ronz (talk) 15:46, 2 April 2010 (UTC)

DeRose and Swasthya Yoga

I left a note on the discussion page where you left your request at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Editor_assistance/Requests#Portuguese-fluent_editors_needed_for_DeRose_articles --Rui ''Gabriel'' Correia (talk) 02:43, 2 April 2010 (UTC)

Needs a lot of work ?

Hello Ronz

I saw your note regarding this page: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moveandstay

This page was approved by C.Fred and by extension Alexius08 (see the page history) I added a lot of references and neutral comments while I was editing this article.

Your comment is "need a lot of work" could you detail more?

Thank you in advance —Preceding unsigned comment added by Efauvel (talk • contribs) 16:49, 2 April 2010 (UTC)

Responded on article talk and did some cleanup as an example. --Ronz (talk) 19:53, 2 April 2010 (UTC)

Gamelan external links 4

Well, Ronz, I'm ready to give-up, as I said, because the more I look into how articles stand in Wikipedia the more I feel that the obstacles that are put to the External Link I propose are disproportionate and the case appears to me to be one of double standards. On the one hand you have (to stay close to our subject) hundreds of recording and label companies that promote their products (there are even long-standing warnings like "This article is written as an advertisement"). On the other hand you have the site that I propose as External Link which offers two basic things: long music excerpts (and very good ones) that document what Javanese gamelan sounds like, and reprints of the booklet commentaries which are in most cases very informative essays written by authorities in the field (including some names that are reported in Further Reading in the article). So, to answer your question, these are the added values of the link. And I like to mention that when it was first added it was placed in a 'Listening' section now vanished. And now, yes just now, the discussion page of the Gamelan article has a 'warning' (or how you call it) that says: "It is requested that audio files be included in this article to improve its quality". I don't understand when you say that you guess the site doesn't work well with your browser set-up, and all you see is a list of CDs with information on each CD. I can't imagine that you see something different than anybody else. Now, the list of CDs is the way to organize the content, and such lists appear in the Wiki articles of the many self-advertising record companies. The difference is that while the others just show the list, the link I propose offers detailed musical and historical information as well examples of the music itself. To put in focus the substance of what we are talking about, the collection of recordings illustrated by the site in question represents, I estimate, something like 80% of the releases of Javanese gamelan music in the last decade. Best regards.Giovanni SciarrinoGS (talk) 19:35, 2 April 2010 (UTC)

WP:DR describes how to handle disputes. WP:THIRD, or WP:ELN would be good choices. --Ronz (talk) 19:53, 2 April 2010 (UTC)

Food intolerance pages

Hi Ronz,

You have removed external links that fit the definition of what should be linked. I am not sure if it is because they sell relevant books, but these are the websites of the experts on the subject.

Sue Shepherd is an Advanced Accredited Practising Dietitian and Accredited Nutritionist who has participated in research into Food Intolerance. She is the Senior Lecturer for Monash University Department of Medicine and is a senior researcher within the Department of Gastroenterology at Box Hill Hospital in Melbourne. She is a clinical investigator in eight ethics-approved research studies. She is an invited speaker at national and international medical conferences. She has won many professional awards, including Dietitian Association of Australia’s Award for Achievement for Excellence in Contribution to the Profession. Sue has developed a dietary management approach which has revolutionised the management of Irritable Bowel Syndrome (low FODMAP diet) – her pioneering research has contributed world-first information, and for which she was awarded the Gastroenterological Society of Australia’s Young Investigator of the Year Award in 2006. http://shepherdworks.com.au/services/gpspecialist-section contains references to her work.

Sue Dengate is a lay expert, who has a Food Scientist husband and kids with food intolerances. Their Food Intolerance Network successfully campaigned to get the 160b colour removed from McDonalds soft serve in Australia, as part of other ongoing campaigns.

The RPAH has an allergy unit which performed similar research to the Feingold Institute in the 1970's. Their 'Feingold' diet is more up to date in which foods to avoid.

Food Intolerance may not be considered a serious medical issue by some, but dieticians, allergists, and food intolerance networks are the main resources where information and interest by mainstream practitioners are limited. They sell books because people need them to have full health. Their websites have more free information than the Feingold Institute. Australian research is ahead of the rest of the world when it comes to food intolerance.

• Failsafe diet and Food Intolerance Network
• Information on diets to treat Food Intolerances
• RPAH Allergy Unit

I will add the links back. Thank you,

Eloerc —Preceding unsigned comment added by Eloerc (talk • contribs) 22:59, 4 April 2010 (UTC)

Thanks for the message.

I'm having difficulty finding what you're referring to. If it is this, then I disagree, though I can see some value in the allergyuk.org link. --Ronz (talk) 23:07, 4 April 2010 (UTC)

If it's this, then I stand by my comment that the links are off topic. Additionally, the first two are overly promotional. --Ronz (talk) 23:10, 4 April 2010 (UTC)

Hi Ronz,

Sorry I am new to this. Yes it is those two links you mentioned. My point is that they promote themselves to help people with their health issues. They are not selling snake oil. They provide enough information to trial the diets without the recipe books. They have pdf files which are free. Feingold doesn't, and you have kept the Feingold Institute links. allergyuk.org is a charity, but it does get a commission on 'Allergy UK' approved products, which you can buy at their site. The Food Intolerance Network is similar in that their campaigns are funded by sale of the books. I didn't mention Sue Dengate also completed a groundbreaking study about the behavioural effects of a common bread preservative was published in a medical journal in 2002. She is a psychology graduate and was nominated as Australian of the Year in 2005 and 2006 and was NSW finalist in 2010. This is because of the sheer multitude of families she has helped here. Can you please leave them in? How is it resolved if we can't agree? Thanks,

Eloerc. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Eloerc (talk • contribs) 23:26, 4 April 2010 (UTC)

WP:THIRD or WP:ELN are both ways to get others' opinions. --Ronz (talk) 23:29, 4 April 2010 (UTC)

P.S. I found your message on my user talk page. Thanks for the information. I don't have a conflict of interest, in fact no diet has fixed up my symptoms *yet* (I have hope). I borrowed the books from the library except for one. I'm not sure I can prove this to you! Let me know if there is some sort of system with that. Thanks,

Eleorc —Preceding unsigned comment added by Eloerc (talk • contribs) 23:34, 4 April 2010 (UTC)

I've been looking into this a bit. Thanks for keeping the discussion going. I don't have time to go into all the details.

WP:THIRD could be helpful getting another opinion quickly.

Links to articles directly related to the topic of the Wikipedia page might be appropriate replacements.

You should give a look at WP:MEDRS regarding your other edits. Presenting resent research findings can be complicated, as it must be given in the context of current medical consensus.

I may have time for some quick comments, but nothing beyond that for some time. WP:THIRD and WP:ELN should be able to get others' attention quickly who have more time that I. --Ronz (talk) 23:46, 4 April 2010 (UTC)

Hi Ronz,

Okay, thanks, I think I'm catching on. Your reasoning, particularly on scientific consensus, is why I did not find Wikipedia helpful when looking into food intolerance issues, and wanted to fix it up. It is usually my go-to for information/ research for a variety of interests. I will see what I can find that fits the guidelines better. (The problem is they're not allergies, some are idiopathic, and there are few practitioners that can test for those that aren't.) Thank you, Eloerc Eloerc (talk) 00:38, 5 April 2010 (UTC)

The Professors

Hi, I just wanted to let you know that I'm not planning on "ignoring policy" if I arbitrate the situation over at The Professors. WP:BLP is very clear, and I'm going to cite specific parts of it when I make my decision. I encourage you to trust this process so we can put this issue to bed. ɳorɑfʈ ^Talk! 20:32, 5 April 2010 (UTC)

Thanks for the note. I appreciate what you're doing, and I didn't mean anything I wrote to reflect badly on you, or reflect on you in any manner at all. Should I reword my comment to be clearer?

No offense, but hadn't this type of binding arbitration been discussed as an alternative to mediation some years ago? Wasn't it rejected by the community as a poor substitute for regular consensus building? --Ronz (talk) 21:20, 5 April 2010 (UTC)

No offense taken. The community did reject a proposal to formalize this type of arbitration, which was smart, because formalizing it would mean that a lot of folks wouldn't even attempt to build consensus; they'd just line up for arbitration whenever there was a dispute, which would cause a system-wide breakdown in Wikipedia's primary decision making model: consensus. However, in this particular case, I think policy is exceedingly clear, and while I could simply pitch in my two cents (and the dispute would likely go on), I'm angling to structure this so that the dispute ends and policy is rightly served. There is a perception among some parties to the dispute that I have some authority because I'm a WP:MEDCAB mediator, and they are willing to submit to a "ruling" as a result. If I can use their perception to end a dispute that may be in contravention of policy, the larger goals of Wikipedia are thereby served. ɳorɑfʈ ^Talk! 22:57, 5 April 2010 (UTC)

Regarding my changes to the Reiki page.

I explained in the edit section the simple reasons for the correction to that page. There are many mistakes there regarding the meaning of the word Reiki, and the Kanji that make it up. I am a Reiki practitioner and I am from Japan. Please replace my work, or do I have to do it again? The false information on that page should not remain there.

Thank you.

高橋太郎　（しんじんだつらく）

If you remove sourced information, you'll find your edits reverted rather quickly. Instead, as I pointed out on your talk page already, discuss your concerns on the article talk page, and provide sources that verify the changes you'd like to see. --Ronz (talk) 18:48, 13 April 2010 (UTC)

ANI Thread on IP User

Just wanted to let you know that the IP thread you requested I start is located here if you wish to comment. - NeutralHomer • Talk • 23:43, 13 April 2010 (UTC)

Just a heads up, the IP user was blocked for 2 weeks back Cirt for personal attacks and vandalism. Thanks for your assistance in getting my thread to the right spot. Take Care...NeutralHomer • Talk • 00:46, 14 April 2010 (UTC)

Glad I could help! --Ronz (talk) 00:54, 14 April 2010 (UTC)

Thanks

For helping with User:Joeprofes.

Ward20 (talk) 02:26, 15 April 2010 (UTC)

Further editing of NORAD Tracks Santa

You were absolutely right about that section reading like an advertisement. I have done some further editing to it. Of course, there is still the problem that all of the references are to primary sources, mostly promotional news releases. Perhaps the section shouldn't be retained at all. That would pretty much reduce the article to a stub but maybe that's for the best. Regards,Simon Peter Hughes (talk) 18:50, 15 April 2010 (UTC)

My thoughts exactly. I'm assuming we can find at least a few independent sources. --Ronz (talk) 19:22, 15 April 2010 (UTC)

web usability

Hi Ronz -- here i am working on a sunday and needing some quick tips for usability to kick my creativity into high gear. sadly, the wikipedia entry was anemic on this topic, and the most useful stuff i've seen is completely omitted.

since i don't have much time to edit content, the least i could do is add a link to Steve Krug's book, so that hopefully more users will see this little article stub and actually fill it out by enumerating some of Krug's principles.

since i lent out my copy of his book, and these two articles are tiny and unhelpful, i'm forced to surf around elsewhere, or make a run to Barnes and Noble and pick up a new copy (argh... $40).

it appears that you are big on civility, and i haven't made any big wikipedia contributions for a year now, but the usability article was so hopeless and anorexic that i had to add something.

i'm not sure the proper protocol for me to re-instate the link to Krug, and i don't want to be a jerk to you, but i do think it's a disservice to the article and to those who need to use it that it's not linked (by an internal link!!) to a related book (that definitely needs expansion -- and if i had the book and the time, i'd elaborate the principles myself).

many thanks for your consideration. -

Globalfix. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Globalfix (talk • contribs) 19:19, 18 April 2010 (UTC)

Thanks for the note. I'll tag both articles, hoping it will attract some attention toward improving them. --Ronz (talk) 21:04, 18 April 2010 (UTC)

Done. Looking over them, I'm not sure either justifies its own article, but I have no problem leaving them as they are. Web usability is simply usability for the web. I don't think Krug's book meets WP:BK. My concerns have been keeping both from becoming soapboxes for people trying to sell products and services. --Ronz (talk) 21:30, 18 April 2010 (UTC)

Response to my responses in Talk:Bill Moyers

Please respond to my responses to you in the two separate proposed text sections in Bill Moyers Talk. Thanks.--Drrll (talk) 13:54, 19 April 2010 (UTC)

I try not to waste my time repeating myself. Please see the discussions from Jan 2010, which appear to cover the current situation. The subsequent discussions apply as well, especially Talk:Bill_Moyers#WEIGHT_and_COATRACK_violation --Ronz (talk) 14:49, 19 April 2010 (UTC)

I looked at your earlier comments in Talk:Bill Moyers and I saw that you said several times that I was violating WP:BLP, but unless I missed something, you didn't say exactly what in BLP I was violating. I took the proposed text of both items to the WP:BLPN twice and both times no one found the material objectionable enough to comment on it.

I believe that in an article as large as Bill Moyers, with plenty of positive material, pointing out a small amount of unflattering material does not violate undue weight and is the norm for other BLPs. The MLK material is presented neutrally; the Schumann material has a point of view, but that point of view is directly supported by the source (that POV could be removed if it causes NPOV to be violated).

Do you have any suggestions for rewording to fix specific BLP problems? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Drrll (talk • contribs) 18:38, 19 April 2010 (UTC)

I don't believe the material belongs. --Ronz (talk) 18:42, 19 April 2010 (UTC)

Dell Schanze

Under Dell Schanze WPSDA, the WPSDA.org website is owned and operated by Dell Schanze Any domain lookup provides this. Please stop removing WPSDA information on the Dell Schanze site as it is accurate, and IS NOT self-published. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Ldsfaithfighter2009 (talk • contribs) 02:28, 22 April 2010 (UTC)

You've not addressed my BLP concerns, nor any other reasoning for why I've removed it. I suggest you discuss it on the talk page. I'll continue to remove it per BLP in the meantime. --Ronz (talk) 03:24, 22 April 2010 (UTC)

And so will I. Drmies (talk) 23:09, 23 April 2010 (UTC)

Article contributions

Hello there, many thanks for your comments on the Cambridge University Press page; they were most useful. The references on the Publishing structure section have been amended, and that section will be pasted as a new proposal on the discussion page for comments. The other section that you mentioned in your comments will not be posted at all at this stage; I will re-write that section completely, and put better third party references in and I will then post that as another proposal on the discussion page at a later date for comments. We will move the Canto section to the discussion page as well, as that section is unreferenced. I do hope that helps to answer your query, but please do let me know on my TalkPage if there's anything else. Thanks again Cmdcam01 (talk) 14:49, 23 April 2010 (UTC)

Dell Schanze

A government sponsored link of booking details in NO WAY violates the BLP. Continued removal of it will be deemed vandalism, and will be reported accordingly. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Ldsfaithfighter2009 (talk • contribs) 23:10, 23 April 2010 (UTC)

When you're back, I'm happy to go over BLP with you. The article needs lots of work still. --Ronz (talk) 23:55, 23 April 2010 (UTC)

ARBITRATION

You are involved in a recently-filed request for arbitration. Please review the request at Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests#section name and, if you wish to do so, enter your statement and any other material you wish to submit to the Arbitration Committee. Additionally, the following resources may be of use—

• Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests#Requests for Arbitration;
• Wikipedia:Arbitration guide.

Thanks, — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ldsfaithfighter2009 (talk • contribs) 20:27, 26 April 2010 (UTC)

Now you're just wasting others' time. This won't go well for you.

You should read the article you linked above, especially Wikipedia:Arbitration guide#Before requesting arbitration. --Ronz (talk) 20:32, 26 April 2010 (UTC)

Thanks for backing down. Good move. --Ronz (talk) 02:05, 29 April 2010 (UTC)

1Vigor

Hi Ronz

I noted you have apparently placed a block and have designated the 1Vigor as spam on Wiki. 1Vigor is devoted to Health, Natural Lifestyle and Peak Performance and has experts across fields beginning to publish on its site. Much research is done before articles are published.

Please remove the spam designation 1Vigor. I understand now that I cannot promote 1Vigor as an owner. But others, who find the articles written now and in the future valuable, should be able to cite the 1Vigor page on Wiki.

The point I tried to make on the Depression page, which you blocked, is worth making eg. There are natural steps people can take to alleviate depression. The taking of pills for depression has become so common place in our culture that it is considered, particularly amongst our young, as the ordinary and 'natural' thing to. More and more studies are beginning to show that the side effect of these pills are significant and that the pills are of little benefit in treating depression, except to the severely depressed.

Kindest regards, Ralph

Thanks for the note. I'm not sure what this is about. I'll comment further after I look into it. --Ronz (talk) 02:07, 29 April 2010 (UTC)

Nothing has been blocked, blacklisted, nor filtered at this point that I'm aware. (If you want to learn what these terms mean on Wikipedia, see WP:BLOCK, WP:BLACKLIST, and WP:FILTER).

In the cases of your editing, those edits were removed for the reasons given in the edit summaries and on your talk page.

There's no spam designation, only identification that the link was added inappropriately.

Looking over 1Vigor.com, I don't think that it would meet our reliable sources criteria, especially on the topics it covers. An appeal to nature isn't allowed in most circumstances in articles like Depression (mood). Instead, WP:MEDRS applies.

I'd also question whether it would fit our external links guidelines.

There are multiple articles dealing with different aspects of depression. Major depressive disorder has a large summary of treatment and management techniques, and Treatment for depression goes into further detail. --Ronz (talk) 03:04, 29 April 2010 (UTC)

Gamelan external links 5

Hi Ronz, I've been advised - and it was probably implicit in your objections - to revise the site in question so as to make it more 'neutral' and focused on being a resource. There should be little doubt on the usefulness of including listening examples in an article on Gamelan. So, please take a look at the front page of an in-process site - www.gamelan.name - and let me know if this approach meets also your criteria for having the site as an external link. The site would lead through simple selection to individual cd tracks which could be listened to (in full or in part according to duration) accompanied by text from the relevant liner notes. There would necessarily be a reference to the cdsGS (talk) 19:26, 30 April 2010 (UTC) which the material is taken from. Thank you. Giovanni

This is an encyclopedia, not a host for external links. See my previous responses to you. --Ronz (talk) 23:18, 30 April 2010 (UTC)

Gamelan external links 6

Then why don't you eliminate all external links now present in the article - and elsewhere? Thanks.GS (talk) 04:35, 1 May 2010 (UTC)

If you have a sense of humor, see WP:GRIEF. --Ronz (talk) 14:11, 1 May 2010 (UTC)

Ronz -

http://www.cporising.com

CPO Rising is a new media site dedicated to CPOs - it is written by the analyst that wrote the report referenced here for Aberdeen Group. The analyst is a major thought leader in procurement and globally recognized. The content is thought provoking and geared specifically for chief procurement officers. People going to cporising.com will learn all about chief procurement officers.

Please do not undo my action, again.

Having a link to this site is no more marketing than ISM's link.

thank you —Preceding unsigned comment added by Acquisiti (talk • contribs) 07:14, 5 May 2010 (UTC)

Yoga

I guess I don't see why you thought my Yoga edit was not neutral. I read the statement by the Vatican, and the complex view offered there is not accurately captured by the quote which states that eastern meditative practices could "degenerate into a cult of the body." From my reading of that article I concluded that the Vatican's position is this: practices of meditation or prayer that originate outside of Catholicism are acceptable if they are consistent with Catholic methods of prayer, and, according to the text, some eastern methods are consistent (e.g. emptying oneself in order to be filled with god, renouncing selfish desires, using bodily posture and breathing in meditation), while others are not (i.e. trying to experience god without making oneself morally pure first). According to the Vatican, it is in this latter sense that eastern methods of meditation might "degenerate into a cult of the body." That is to say, one might mistake bodily sensations of calmness, warmth, or peacefulness for a genuine mystic state. This quote alone, thus does not capture the considered view of the catholic church on this issue.

I also took out the word "holy" in front of Vatican since that seemed to be a value-judgment on someone's part. Is it part of the official name? Not sure on that one. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.71.59.61 (talk) 19:52, 6 May 2010 (UTC)

Thanks for the response.

A balanced summary would be appropriate. My concern was rewriting it to change the meaning and make the remaining comments no longer applicable. --Ronz (talk) 19:56, 6 May 2010 (UTC)

Specifically, you left "In spite of the Vatican statement, many Roman Catholics bring elements of Yoga, Buddhism, and Hinduism into their spiritual practices." but this no longer made sense without the portion of the statement against Yoga, which you removed. --Ronz (talk) 20:32, 6 May 2010 (UTC)

Spam

Thanks for the message. He's a well known sock master who does this all the time. I have notified MastCell who will no doubt be blocking him shortly! It's this character. If you could help revert his spam I'd be obliged as it's rather tedious work.Fainites ^barleyscribs 21:23, 6 May 2010 (UTC)

Thanks. I started after he started reverting. The database lag I'm getting is making cleanup a bit difficult. --Ronz (talk) 21:28, 6 May 2010 (UTC)

Yeah the lag is driving me mad! I've just thumped my poor little mouse. He's here as well. Fainites ^barleyscribs 21:30, 6 May 2010 (UTC)

Thanks Ronz.Fainites ^barleyscribs 10:25, 7 May 2010 (UTC)

You're Welcome

Yes, well, I wanted to get past that. It's become a circular argument. I'm happy the religion bit is gone from the page as I thought it was more unflattering to Moyers.Malke2010 15:35, 7 May 2010 (UTC)

Cloud Computing

Impressive, it only took six minutes for someone to change it back. It was just an experiment, I hope I haven't pissed anyone off. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 136.168.17.210 (talk) 17:50, 7 May 2010 (UTC)

Resveratrol Lozenges

Dear Ronz, please don't let your suspicion of other people's intention guide your conclusion. Let the content speak for itself. If you have to suspect others' intention, don't just suspect the one who has written it. The intention of the one who strongly opposes it should be questioned too.

I'll answer your questions in detail later. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Pushroll (talk • contribs) 02:32, 8 May 2010 (UTC)

The SOAP, NPOV, OR, V, and 3RR problems are all valid. I'll remove the coi tag since the evidence is weak at this point. --Ronz (talk) 02:36, 8 May 2010 (UTC)

Ronz, you do have the right to edit everything. But please don't abuse your right. Most of your accusations are groundless. I'll edit the article later.--Pushroll (talk) 03:02, 8 May 2010 (UTC)

OR message on Feingold diet page

re: page http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Feingold_diet

Ronz, you replaced the OR tag with the note: restored OR tag - problem should be addressed by applying WP:MEDRS

Can you please explain this in ordinary English? The tag says that there may be original research in that section; that was referring to a bar chart comparing studies which I had made myself. It is removed, and there is no more "original research" anywhere in the article. So what is a WP:MEDRS? and how do I do it? Shulae (talk) 18:05, 8 May 2010 (UTC)

The sections of OR most applicable are WP:PSTS and WP:SYN. I'd hope the application of WP:MEDRS in this context would be obvious, but perhaps not. The "Research findings" section of Feingold diet is a research review. It is organized chronologically, and includes one review (unless I'm overlooking others). It should be organized around what reviews we have, and no conclusions should be made based only on primary reviews. It's not clear how much of the research has been selected, when it's not specifically about the diet itself. --Ronz (talk) 15:28, 9 May 2010 (UTC)

removal of external link

Reply on your removal of external link to classical guitarist info. Dear Ronz, I find it to be a quite harsh interpretation of guidelines to remove a site that is exclusively about and for the classical guitar and its performers. It´s a non profit site, and I don´t see how you can respectfully remove this site while you maintain the link to "Classical Guitar Review"... Don´t misunderstand me, please don´t remove the link to the "homepage" of Simon Powis even though I find it hard to believe that a link to "Classical guitar review" doesn´t violate the same guitdelines??

Sincerely, Arne —Preceding unsigned comment added by Svindland (talk • contribs) 21:05, 12 May 2010 (UTC)

I've added additional information to your talk page about the situation. --Ronz (talk) 21:24, 12 May 2010 (UTC)

You answer that I should familiarize myself with certain guidelines... I have, and I still don´t see how I violate these guidelines. I have not written an article or a biography, and when it comes to objectivity and validating the sources I truly don´t understand how you can find the portal anything but objective, and how you can question the validation of sources when links go directly to the sources. But you´re right at one point; I am the person behind the website and therefore should not have added the link myself according to the holy book of guidelines... maybe you can add it for me?) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Svindland (talk • contribs) 21:58, 12 May 2010 (UTC)

Thanks for the continued discussion. Sorry I didn't customize the coi notice to be more specific to the situation.

If you want to make a case for adding the link to an article, you should do so on the article talk page. --Ronz (talk) 22:24, 12 May 2010 (UTC)

Fair enough, thank you for the reply. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Svindland (talk • contribs) 23:30, 12 May 2010 (UTC)

Thanks

Thank you Ronz for the welcome and the pages to help guide me on further editing. --Svindland (talk) 01:17, 16 May 2010 (UTC)

Sorry, and perfectly fine that you got rid of my comment[3]. I guess my cold Norwegian blod is getting a bit too hot tempered;)--Svindland (talk) 19:11, 19 May 2010 (UTC)

Thanks. Looks like you're doing a great job working on the article. Sorry I don't have the time to help out more. --Ronz (talk) 19:13, 19 May 2010 (UTC)

I have to admit that you do a good job in cleaning out inappropriate external links... Even though I don´t agree in many ocasions I see that e.g.Classical guitar would be quite a mess without your cleanups.--79.154.230.200 (talk) 12:30, 26 May 2010 (UTC)

Catholic Yoga Position (har har?)

The previous version of page said:

In 1989, the Vatican declared that Eastern meditation practices such as Zen and yoga can "degenerate into a cult of the body".[87] In spite of the Vatican statement, many Roman Catholics bring elements of Yoga, Buddhism, and Hinduism into their spiritual practices.[88]

This is a false and misleading summary. First, the cited statement from 1989 is a Letter to Bishops, not a Declaration, which is an important distinction in terms of the function and scope of a document released from the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith.

Secondly, the single quote cited from the letter does not accurately convey the tone and message of the instruction. This quote by itself tends to imply that the Church does not allow the practice of Yoga which is then further compounded by the next statement which says that Catholics use it "in spite of" the document. A more careful reading of the document says that exploration of Eastern practices is allowed as long as important notions of Christian prayer are kept in mind. Eastern traditions are not to be dismissed simply because they're not Christian. The new summary which includes more extensive quotes from the original citations points this out:

In 1989, the Vatican stated in a letter to Bishops that, "[u]nderstood in an inadequate and incorrect way, the symbolism" of the body in Eastern meditation practices such as Zen and yoga can "degenerate into a cult of the body". However, "one can see if and how [Christian Prayer] might be enriched by meditation methods which have been developed in other religions and cultures" if one bears in mind that Christian prayer is "a personal, intimate and profound dialogue between man and God" and one avoids "concentrating on oneself... in a spiritual privatism...." [87] "As the text of the letter became more widely available..., some Catholic experts on Eastern meditation concluded that it was far more measured than the early press notices had indicated. Eastern approaches to prayer, the document said, should not 'be rejected out of hand simply because they are not Christian.'"[88]

Therefore, the notion that Catholics who do incorporate elements of Eastern traditions into their spirituality are somehow acting "in spite of" this instruction is patently false.

Please give more detailed information about how or why you feel this is unclear. Einheber (talk) 16:01, 17 May 2010 (UTC)Einheber

Thanks for notifying me. I've already replied, but I'll explain further on what's so confusing. --Ronz (talk) 16:08, 17 May 2010 (UTC)

Thanks. My text may appear to be personal analysis because the subsection is meant to reflect analysis of Yoga by a different religion. The analysis presented is that from the cited material and not my own. I believe this is consistent with the tone of the previous section on Islam's understanding of Yoga and fatwas issued by certain bodies forbidding its practice and citations describing how it is or isn't consistent with Islam. The tone of my edit is also consistent with the text directly following it, which contains a fundamentalist Christian analysis. Einheber (talk) 17:26, 17 May 2010 (UTC)Einheber

Let's keep the discussion on the article talk page so others can more easily participate. --Ronz (talk) 17:34, 17 May 2010 (UTC)

Third Party Sources

What is your definition of third party sources? I read the reliability section and the USPTO would seem to be one of these. Can you explain to me why the USPTO is not a reliable source -- would seem it is. Thanks. AmaTsisqa (talk) 21:18, 17 May 2010 (UTC)

The tag you removed linked to WP:V and WP:RS. Both discuss the issue. WP:PSTS is also applicable. --Ronz (talk) 21:21, 17 May 2010 (UTC)

Pellicer

I see you have tens of thousands of edit and a lot of experience, I do not understand you editing pattern to the Pellicar article, are you involved personally in the topic? I see you have edits to the related topics Seduction_community and sauch like, do me a favor and save me the time of going through your edits to find out and let me know, If not then please explain what your intentions are at the BLP? Off2riorob (talk) 18:51, 21 May 2010 (UTC)

Thanks for the note.

It looks like more of the promotional editing that's been problematic in Seduction community-related articles. As in the other cases, the sources are poor, mostly just pr pieces. --Ronz (talk) 18:57, 21 May 2010 (UTC)

Would you answer my question please. I do not understand you editing pattern to the Pellicar article, are you involved personally in the topic? Off2riorob (talk) 19:00, 21 May 2010 (UTC)

I've answered your question, ignoring the inappropriate aspects re WP:PRIVACY.

I'm happy to explain further on my editing. Basically, seeing the similarities with the seduction community articles, I'm holding the biography to a tight interpretation of BLP to reign the soapboxing. Other articles have had criticism and competition problems, which I've not noticed with Pellicer so far. --Ronz (talk) 19:05, 21 May 2010 (UTC)

I went ahead and explained my most recent round of editing on the talk page. --Ronz (talk) 19:28, 21 May 2010 (UTC)

Inappropriate link

Hi Ronz. I got your message regarding my edit at http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talas,_Turkey&diff=next&oldid=138687614. If you feel the image is inappropriate, by all means, delete it. I obtained permission to upload under Creative Commons -with standard template- by many users, who became friends, from that site and many of their images are in Commons by now, but could not go all over all that I had uploaded under a simple permission to use. So please feel free to delete it if you think it is inapropriate. Regards. Cretanforever (talk) 17:03, 24 May 2010 (UTC)

Thanks for the message. I saw that you had been uploading some, linking to others, and that editors had speedily deleted some Wikipedia:Possibly_unfree_files/2009_June_3. Chapultepec (talk · contribs) has made similar edits. I'm not sure what to make of it, or if I want to bother looking into it further. Looks like good faith editing from what I've looked into. [4] --Ronz (talk) 21:39, 24 May 2010 (UTC)

Hey, why are u removing links of the good site

Hi

Why are you removing links. The link i have place in to it is for mehndi. I am doing spamming. plz thanks —Preceding unsigned comment added by 216.230.234.240 (talk) 15:40, 27 May 2010 (UTC)

You've admitted you have a conflict of interest [5], and you appear to be Hetalpatel33 (talk · contribs). If you think either link is appropriate, discuss it on the article talk page, or perhaps at WP:ELN --Ronz (talk) 16:41, 27 May 2010 (UTC)

Are you getting money from keeping commmercial links

Hey i have not place any commercial links they why are you removing the links that i am adding. You keep other non related commercial links on the page. Are you taking money from those guys. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 216.230.234.240 (talk) 15:42, 27 May 2010 (UTC)

See WP:AGF. Thanks! --Ronz (talk) 16:37, 27 May 2010 (UTC)

Sandra Lee

Hello,

I am afraid I don't know what you're talking about. My comments were not libelous in the least.

WWhat I said was that no-one (friends, family etc.) has ever stepped up to verify Sandra's claims about her childhood set forth in her book or on her TV program. By including that disclaimer sentence I was sepcifically trying to make Wikipedia **more** factual, not less. Since no-one has backed her up her expository story seems very fanciful and I was trying to make readers aware it needs to be taken with a large grain of salt.

The burden of proof is on someone else to find evidence disputing what I said, and thus backing her up. I have certainly never (in well over five years of familiarity with her and obsession with all things culinary) seen or heard anything that would contradict what I said.

Again, my statement was with the aim of making the site *more* factual, not less. It was not meant to be disparaging.

Please consider reinstating my disclaimer. Wikipedia readers run the risk of being misled otherwise.

Thank you. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Ushi5 (talk • contribs) 04:12, 28 May 2010 (UTC)

Hi again! :)

PS Interesting that you mention sources. Where are the sources that back up the accounts of her childhood laid out in the article?. I see none other than from herself and her employer (hardly objective individuals). Therefore, isn't it true that that those statements about her childhood should also either be cited or removed?

I'm just being even-handed. We can't have our cake and eat it too. If my disclaimer is removed, the comments about her upbringing also need to be taken out if there is no evidence - which was why I put the whole disclaimer in there in the first place.

Thank you. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Ushi5 (talk • contribs) 04:17, 28 May 2010 (UTC)

If you have legitimate concerns about the article, please discuss them on the article talk page. Paranoid-sounding disclaimers do not belong in the article, nor anywhere else. --Ronz (talk) 15:23, 28 May 2010 (UTC)

Lagos

Dear Sir / ma, I came across this page after correcting some things on 'Lagos'. If I had seen your message before then, I probably, would have opened up a discussion here before acting. Actually, I wish to state that I was disappointed that most of my comments were deleted, despite the fact that they were linked to verifiable references which means that they were not my private personal opinions. I would have been more comfortable if the additions which you deemed necessary were included, alongside my contributions.

I will be happy to communicate with you further. I am presently a research fellow in an European University and my area of study is lagos. This is why I am particularly concerned about this page, nothing to do with personal feelings. Most participants at conferences wherwe I have presented papers have commented on my strong criticism of the successive governments of Lagos as well as those of Nigeria. I am interested in correct data for Lagos and factual information which is critically important in solving the myriads of malaise afflicting the mega-city.

Thank you. Kunle —Preceding unsigned comment added by Kunleifesanya (talk • contribs) 17:31, 30 May 2010 (UTC)

Will reply on your talk. --Ronz (talk) 19:29, 30 May 2010 (UTC)

Disruptive Edits

Hi Ronz,

I am not the owner of the page to which I have been linking (retro-motors) but articles that I have found informative on cars that I have been interested in I have linked to.

I believed that the rollbacks were done by an automated process and therefore cancelled them.

Please do not black list the domain retro-motors.com as I would not like my good intentions however misguided to cause an issue to the website in question as this would not be a fair reflection on this site.

Please be assured that I will make no further contributions to wikipedia regarding any external links.

Thanks. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 94.7.174.86 (talk) 19:35, 31 May 2010 (UTC)

The site has already been blacklisted because of all the spamming. --Ronz (talk) 19:46, 31 May 2010 (UTC)

Lactagen

Thank you for your edit to Lactagen. Would you mind looking at this edit if you have time? I feel that it is borderline promotional. As I mentioned at Talk:Lactagen, the user who made those changes has not edited any other pages on Wikipedia. Rather than assuming bad faith, though, I thought it best to wait for another editor's opinion. Cnilep (talk) 16:14, 1 June 2010 (UTC)

There's a lot of borderline promotional problems with the article. There are only three independent, reliable sources on Lactagen. I can't find a copy of the Today's Dietitian article, but the author's other work seems to be good quality. The Washington Post article is a bit short, but the best we currently have. The DMNews article is focused on their marketing efforts, so it could be argued it's being used improperly. Overall, it looks like the article has been written from promotional material from Ritter Pharmaceuticals, and sources were brought in to support their viewpoint. The article should be rewritten, but I don't think there are enough available references to do so properly. --Ronz (talk) 17:08, 1 June 2010 (UTC)

Talk:Independent_Order_of_Odd_Fellows#Linkfarm

I've removed the list of lodges per WP:NOTLINK and WP:EL. --Ronz (talk) 00:55, 2 June 2010 (UTC)

Thanks for your reply. Yes, you're quite right. I think I've addressed (started to address?) the issues you have raised. If not, please explain here rather than reverting. Cheers, Pdfpdf (talk) 13:21, 2 June 2010 (UTC)

I've responded on the article talk page. --Ronz (talk) 22:13, 2 June 2010 (UTC)

This is getting a bit tedious. As discussed, you have NO justification for removing the table. If you continue to be fussy about the links, then perhaps you have some justification for removing the links, but NOT the table. And given that there's an ongoing discussion on the matter, it's somewhat customary to discuss such an action on the talk page, and gain consensus, BEFORE making that sort of edit. Pdfpdf (talk) 17:33, 15 June 2010 (UTC)

Dispute resolution is this way. --Ronz (talk) 17:35, 15 June 2010 (UTC)

And how is that an either useful or relevant response? Pdfpdf (talk) 17:38, 15 June 2010 (UTC)

At this point, I'll assume you just need to take a break to gain your composure. Come back when you can answer your own questions. --Ronz (talk) 17:41, 15 June 2010 (UTC)

Really. Take a break. If you want to pretend to not understand what dispute resolution is, then you have no business on my talk page discussing this or any other dispute. --Ronz (talk) 17:52, 15 June 2010 (UTC)

Maybe you're upset, maybe confused, I don't care at this point. Continue as you have done, and I'll assume you're just being disruptive. Get some sleep, and try a different approach in the future.--Ronz (talk) 18:12, 15 June 2010 (UTC)

I'm not upset - I never have been with respect to our poor communication. Confused. Frustrated. Disappointed. Yes, all of those. But never upset.
But I am still somewhat confused.
You, however, DO seem to be upset. Honestly, I really don't understand what is that you are upset about. Clearly, we have different frames-of-reference, and I don't understand what yours is. I'm keen to communicate with you, understand your POV, and come to some mutually acceptable outcome. However, I'm not sure how to do that. My attempts seem to be interpreted by you as offensive. As that is the opposite of my intention, I'm not sure what to do next. I have had a try on the article talk page, but you haven't responded yet.
I await your responses. In good faith, Pdfpdf (talk) 13:21, 17 June 2010 (UTC)

I'm not offended.

Your continued comments about me are disruptive.

"And how is that an either useful or relevant response?" It's a reminder that there are many ways to address disputes, and that repeatedly personalizing a dispute is disruptive to dispute resolution.

As I pointed out, the second paragraph of your recent comment on the article talk page is appropriate and appreciated. --Ronz (talk) 15:10, 17 June 2010 (UTC)

wikipedia photo permissions

Hi Ronz,

I'm messaging you because you're experienced here, and I don't know who else to ask. :) I'm the owner of the photo on Joshua Pellicer's bio page and I didn't give my permission for it to be used. In fact, I was never compensated for my work with him and don't want the photo used in the bio against my wishes. How can it be removed?

Thanks, Jenny —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.247.98.144 (talk) 00:37, 3 June 2010 (UTC)

I'm not sure, let me look a bit. --Ronz (talk) 00:47, 3 June 2010 (UTC)

The image is here. It's attributed to Jenny Januszewski. The copy on Flickr is gone. EdrevEpac (talk · contribs) uploaded it originally. --Ronz (talk) 00:50, 3 June 2010 (UTC)

I'm having a hard time figuring it out. Instructions at Wikipedia:Copyright problems. --Ronz (talk) 00:59, 3 June 2010 (UTC)

I've asked for help. I can't figure out how to do it without the need for a Wikimedia account, which I don't have. --Ronz (talk) 01:28, 3 June 2010 (UTC)

Credit score (United States)

To be as transparent as possible, I work for the credit bureaus. In that capacity, I developed a Web site that attempts to provide factual data surrounding various issues in the public policy arena. In providing edits to the above subject (and to Credit Score) I linked to this Web site. Since we are not a corporate entity and are not selling anything (other than the fact that we are a repository of data and statistics on a number of subjects) I thought I was within the suggesed guidelines of Wikipedia. Rather than linking to the Web site page which lists source material dealing with the statement, would it be preferable to link to the document within the Web site? Or simply footnote the source and link to it outside the parameters of the Web site?

--Vaheterdu (talk) 19:36, 3 June 2010 (UTC)

Thanks for the explanation. Take a look at WP:COI for details on how to properly present and defend your interests.

WP:COI issues aside, I don't think the site would meet our reliable sources criteria.

"would it be preferable to link to the document within the Web site?" I'm not sure what you're asking. Your site lists and links sources that would probably meet our WP:RS criteria. You could certainly add those sources as references if that's what you are asking.

As an aside: When I was looking through the articles you've been editing, I noticed and noted that some are primary sources. Such sources should be used with care.

I can explain in more detail if you'd like. --Ronz (talk) 19:50, 3 June 2010 (UTC)

Please not delete the reference to the bagels in argentina

is really really find to find them in Argentina. This will help people to get them and its just an external link.

All the best Diego —Preceding unsigned comment added by Dmacadar (talk • contribs) 05:58, 5 June 2010 (UTC)

If you continue adding the external link, you will be blocked and the link will be blacklisted from Wikipedia. --Ronz (talk) 14:44, 5 June 2010 (UTC)

Pet Trust

Thanks Ronz, I am definitely new to Wiki and am still learning the ropes. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Sampsonhm (talk • contribs) 19:26, 7 June 2010 (UTC)

Thanks for responding. I figured you just hadn't seen the message yet. --Ronz (talk) 19:36, 7 June 2010 (UTC)

Affiliate Marketing

I'm sorry you feel that the content I had on affiliate marketing was promotional. I am not affiliated with vidaff in anyway. I encountered it and though it was notable enough to include in the list of affiliate marketing types. I didn't link to it within the article, I merely used it as a reference to confirm its existence. I'm unsure how that really promotes anything.

As far as removing things from my user page, I would have appreciated a comment or suggestion to remove them. Putting that aside, I was unaware that it was prohibited to have things like that on user pages. If you could kindly point me to the Wikipedia regulations regarding that, it would be much appreciated.

Regards, Washburnmav (talk) 00:33, 8 June 2010 (UTC)

Sorry for any confusion. Examples are not references. WP:UPNOT covers userpages, as I mentioned in my edit summary. I assumed they were all edits made in good faith, hence the comment on your talk page rather than a warning. --Ronz (talk) 01:08, 8 June 2010 (UTC)

Raw Milk

Ronz,

The current text of the raw milk debate implies that the FDA and the CDC are world wide regulatory agencies. They are US govt. agencies, and have no jurisdiction outside of the US. So, they are examples of US Govt. agencies, not world wide regulatory agencies.

Further, The opinion of US government agencies on this topic, do not represent the diversity of both domestic and international jurisdictional, regulatory or scientific opinion in the world on this topic.

These are reasons why there are point of view problems in this article on the raw milk debate as it is currently written. I attempted to fix these but you seem to have changed them back. I assume you have reasons why you think your wording is more neutral. Please explain yourself.

Thanks,

Snopeaks —Preceding unsigned comment added by Snopeaks (talk • contribs) 01:15, 14 June 2010 (UTC)

United States raw milk debate must be summarized neutrally in Raw milk. If similar pasteurization debates take place elsewhere, they must be properly referenced with reliable sources and presented in a neutral manner as well. See also WP:FRINGE.

It would best to continue this discussion on the article talk page, so others can more easily join. Perhaps you could start by listing the references from foodrightsalliance.ca that you feel are useful? --Ronz (talk) 01:49, 14 June 2010 (UTC)

Reliable source

You questioned if rivington.net was a reliable source for additions to wikipedia on Rivington, the site is that of the local historian and one with over 30 years research experience of that areas history who works in association with another historian David Owen M.A with over 60 years research experience, further you asked if any of the article derives from that site - it does and is in fact based on that site, hence creative commons SA 3.0 notice.--Rovington (talk) 05:01, 15 June 2010 (UTC)

Thanks for the clarification. You should be making this clear on article talk pages. --Ronz (talk) 16:16, 15 June 2010 (UTC)

In spite of Rovington's protestations I have substantially rewritten the article without reference to his personal website and research and referenced it to verifiable independent sources. The attribution to his website is not required.--J3Mrs (talk) 16:42, 15 June 2010 (UTC)

Thanks for the note. I'm not watching any of the articles, but I'd be happy to help if these problems continue. --Ronz (talk) 16:47, 15 June 2010 (UTC)

This has been happening for weeks. I really don't understand what he means by Creative Commons notice but lots of the information on his site (Which on the Rivington Pike page included text written by me!), except for some antiquarian stuff, can be accessed easily online. Appreciate your interest.--J3Mrs (talk) 16:57, 15 June 2010 (UTC)

Wow! He's gone over the deep end, requesting mass deletions of articles. I'll clean up. --Ronz (talk) 17:43, 15 June 2010 (UTC)

The insistance on removing the attributation is the cause of the problem, the above is a clear illustration of the problem itself, my web site is archived online (waybackmachine) from 2002 to 2005, yet this person claims its his work, removes attributation, this is why I am pulling my work off wikipeda.--Rovington (talk) 20:41, 15 June 2010 (UTC)

I don't see anyone insisting on removing attribution. What I see is insistence on proper attribution.

I also don't see anyone claiming another's work. --Ronz (talk) 21:09, 15 June 2010 (UTC)

I have loads of stuff I am using for an article on listed buildings. I can help.--J3Mrs (talk) 18:00, 15 June 2010 (UTC)

I'm documenting my steps on his talk page, because he's expressed concerns about legal rights to what he's written. --Ronz (talk) 18:06, 15 June 2010 (UTC)

I've started on Rivington Unitarian Chapel and will be happy to do the buildings and Rivington Pike but I don't know anything about the Willoughby's or other families. Some of what he claims to be copyright is from the VCH. Does that mean all the stuff he has "referenced" can be eliminated?--J3Mrs (talk) 18:45, 15 June 2010 (UTC)

What/who is VCH?

If the material is verified with reliable sources, there should be no problem at all. --Ronz (talk) 18:51, 15 June 2010 (UTC)

Hi again, Rovington on my talk page is accusing me of, well I'm not sure what, would you look to see if you can fathom it out? --J3Mrs (talk) 22:04, 15 June 2010 (UTC)

I think your reply should suffice. I don't understand his perspective either. I hope he'll explain himself at some point. If you're still concerned, I suggest taking it to WP:ANI. I'm holding off from ANI at the moment, hoping the situation has run its course. If it continues, I'd like to have others review the situation that have more experience with copyright and original research disputes. --Ronz (talk) 22:47, 15 June 2010 (UTC)

the deleted articles on her Barons

Ronz, rather than bother taking them to Deletion Review, I shall undelete them tomorrow and userify them in your user space so you can fix them up also, and then, just move them back. Done this way, there is no need to ask for permission. I'll list them below when I do them DGG ( talk ) 02:43, 16 June 2010 (UTC)

Thanks. Already being discussed at WP:ANI. --Ronz (talk) 02:50, 16 June 2010 (UTC)

Thanks Ronz! (see the link)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:XLinkBot#Incorrect_reversion_by_XLinkBot_to_the_page:_Anne_Rice_.3F

81.157.114.243 (talk) 02:50, 16 June 2010 (UTC)

Glad I could help. --Ronz (talk) 02:52, 16 June 2010 (UTC)

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Coolhunting&diff=368647009&oldid=368645793

Hi Ronz

I refer to you regarding the deletion of above article section. I herewith give you two sources where the deleted descriptive text was (similar) published and printed:

• Research World magazine, September 2006 issue, p.30, www.esomar.org
• Neo2 magazine, March 2000 issue, p. 21, www.neo2.es

We apologize to have added a weblink to different lemmas. It was an unaware co-worker. It will not happen again.

The text that was deleted has been there since 2005 - unchanged. Our website and concept of open-source coolhunting exits since Dec. 1998. We were the first to bring coolhunting and open-source online.

May we ask you to undo your deletion with these above references?

Many thanks and best regards, David Friedland

David Frieds (talk) 16:20, 18 June 2010 (UTC)

Thanks for the message. I'm unable to find the actual references online, which I assume is why you didn't provide links to them. If you think the references meet WP:RS criteria, then this is definitely worth pursuing. My concerns would be that the references cover both coolhunting and trendguide.com in some depth, and that they are not press releases or press releases with very minor edits. If you think the references meet these criteria, then at minimum we need the full reference citation (in addition to what you've provided the author, title, and page numbers). It would be best if someone else verifies the information as well. Could you scan the articles and place them online temporarily? --Ronz (talk) 16:52, 18 June 2010 (UTC)

no conflict of intrest

im a 1) professional editor and 2) professional garden writer

I was just trying to fix the article to make it more a) readable b) useful Koibeatu (talk) 21:06, 18 June 2010 (UTC)

Thanks for getting back to me. I'm confused as how you could think you do not have a conflict of interest. You added material from one of your works that won't be published until November. This violates our original research and verification policies. Please take another look at WP:COI. You obviously have much to offer Wikipedia, but you need to take care that your editing doesn't conflict with Wikipedia's policies. --Ronz (talk) 23:30, 18 June 2010 (UTC)

open-source coolhunting

Hi Ronz

We can scan the global research article next week. Do you have an email address? The article in the Research World magazine was “A fine nose for hype” written by Robert Heeg, p. 30, September 2006 issue.

Research World has an edition of 150'000 ex. - see http://www.esomar.org/uploads/rw/RW-media-pack-2010.pdf

I think below text is not a unsourced advertisement because of the following reasons:

- in http://www.networksolutions.com/whois-search/trendguide.com you can see the record creation date: 2nd Dec 1998 - in archive.org you can see our oldest page: http://web.archive.org/web/20000511020140/http://www.trendguide.com/ - the Wikipedia section doesn't say we were the first online coolhunters, but the first open-source online coolhunters. Contributers and site visitors have until today free access to your trend ranking/findings whereas all other firms in this fields publish expensive report. - the Wikipedia section description can also be found on our website. It's the same company concept ever since. - If you see advertisement in the text, you are free to neutralize these passages.

Thank you!

Open-source

- Coolhunting turned into a global online project when trendguide.com was launched in December 1998 to be the first open-source lifestyle trend database with rankings based on users' votes, uploads and comments. The global project was started by a Swiss research team led by Michael Hänni, creating a global virtual network of coolhunters. The concept of trendguide.com (democratization of trends: give free access to trends reports and base trend reports on inputs from all around the world) changed the former trend business field where reports, that are created by few individuals, are sold at high prices.

David Frieds (talk) 07:28, 19 June 2010 (UTC)

Go ahead and try my Wikipedia email. I'll look through this in detail later. --Ronz (talk) 16:06, 19 June 2010 (UTC)

Hi Ronz, can you tell me how I can access your email address. I'm new here, can't find the path. Thanks for an URL. David Frieds (talk) 10:37, 21 June 2010 (UTC)

It's a link in the column on the left: E-mail this user --Ronz (talk) 15:29, 21 June 2010 (UTC)

Here is the link to the Research World article. Relevant text is highlighted:

http://blog.trendguide.com/wp-content/uploads/A_fine_nose_for_hype_September_2006_5.pdf

The above text about open-source coolhunting (not the text of the article) was online on Wikipedia for about 4-5 years. If it would have stated wrong facts, it would have surely been changed or challenged by our coolhunting competitors. Thank you for your consideration. David David Frieds (talk) 21:44, 21 June 2010 (UTC)

Thanks! The text from "A Fine Nose for Hype" Research World magazine, September 2006 issue, p.30 is:

Michael Hanni applies an entirely different method.

Operating worldwide since 1998 from an online franchise platform, his Trendguide.com compiles brand ran kings from the votes of a young audience. From that, recommendations can be made. But Hanni is cautious about his company's predictive powers. "When Siemens created a hype around mobile phones that looked and were meant to be worn like jewellery, the product scored in our ranking. Yet the phones flopped. We call it the Darwin principle: only the strong survive. But such things can only be established in

retrospect."

--Ronz (talk) 23:32, 22 June 2010 (UTC)

---yes, this article underlines the starting date of our concept and our personnel setting. Our concept can be seen/read on our website. It remained the same ever since. I hope these clarifications (also above) helps. David Frieds (talk) 11:11, 23 June 2010 (UTC)

--Hi Ronz, any suggestions on how to proceed in our subject? Am unfortunately still not able to authenticate my email with Wiki system. Regards David Frieds (talk) 14:39, 26 June 2010 (UTC)

Thanks for the reminder. Sorry I hadn't followed up on this. I've copied the quote above with the ref to the article talk page. Let's take the discussion there so it will be easier to get others involved. Copy anything important from this discussion to the talk page. --Ronz (talk) 14:45, 26 June 2010 (UTC)

Hi Ronz, please answer to our email, 27th June, or give here exacte instructions what's to be done with what target. Thanks David Frieds2 (talk) 15:20, 2 July 2010 (UTC)

The Research World article is verified, and the relevant quote copied to Talk:Coolhunting. Please, let's move this discussion to the article talk page. No need to copy anything from here if you don't want to. --Ronz (talk) 15:32, 2 July 2010 (UTC)

Better late than never

Please see User:GRuban/Dell Schanze and comment, before it goes to main space. If the comments are short, you can put them on my talk page, where we discussed before; if they're long, they'll probably be best on the "article" talk page. Thanks! --GRuban (talk) 08:24, 20 June 2010 (UTC)

Removing Fishing in The Woodlands links

Ronz,

   Why did you remove the external link to fishing in the woodlands?  

It maps out and discusses all ponds and lakes within The Woodlands and up until the link was removed 2 weeks ago was very popular link to follow and be used. The site has no advertising and is simply a resource to fisherman in the Woodlands. Did you even look at the link?— Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.219.147.3 (talk • contribs) 21:00, 21 June 2010 (UTC)

Thanks for following up on my comment to you. In case you missed it, the relevant policies and guidelines are WP:EL, WP:NOTLINK, and WP:SPAM. --Ronz (talk) 21:45, 21 June 2010 (UTC)

Ronz, your killing me. I read the associated policies and comment but I don't see how there is a conflict. Yes I am affiliated with the site, however, it is simply an information resource much like Wikipedia. The site has won praise from quite a few people in the area including park administrators and is strictly based on user contributions(just like wikipedia). If users of wikipedia followed the link and stayed in the past(it was there for over 6 months) are you not doing a disservice to people looking for information on The Woodlands and are also interested in amenities this site describes? The Trees, Parks, Lakes and Ponds are one of the primary reasons people live here and essentially define "The Woodlands" experience. There is no advertising or products being pitched and/or sold.

I read another comment regarding article discussion(talk page) and added a recommendation to add the link there. Can I assume if another individual follows up on that recommendation at some point in the future the link will stay? Thanks for your help. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.219.147.3 (talk) 22:20, 21 June 2010 (UTC)

You've done an excellent job in trying to resolve this. If no one responds, WP:THIRD would be a good next step.

Basically, we need to develop some sort of consensus on the matter. --Ronz (talk) 23:09, 21 June 2010 (UTC)

Your call on how long we wait. It looks like the article is fairly closely monitored, so I'd give it a day at least. I'm happy to write up the WP:THIRD request if you like. --Ronz (talk) 23:33, 21 June 2010 (UTC)

Ronz, I appreciate the help. This has been very enlightening, I had no idea Wikipedia was this organized. I have signed up for an account to remove anonymity, and have been doing some additional research on your policy concerns. I think I understand your concerns and can address many of them, it is just going to take a little more effort on my part to provide appropriate support. I noticed my effort on the discussion the page has already received one positive response, I am curious what others have to say as well, and there is really no rush. Rchaag (talk) 05:28, 22 June 2010 (UTC)

Glad to see the situation moving along so well.

Welcome to Wikipedia! If you need any help, let me know. --Ronz (talk) 15:48, 22 June 2010 (UTC)

Ok, took a stab at your concerns on the discussion page. Look forward to your input. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:The_Woodlands,_Texas Rchaag (talk) 06:01, 3 July 2010 (UTC)

Thanks for the detailed reply and for reminding me! I'll respond there. --Ronz (talk) 15:00, 3 July 2010 (UTC)

Dowsing ELs

Hi Ronz, the EL section at Dowsing ended up pretty clean, thanks. I'm happy with the currect state of the section and will chill with my zealous remove-section edits ;) I still have questions about three links though. I do not plan to take part in a longer discussion about the specific links, since these kind of links are far too common. It's more about the broader discussion which links to include generally.

• The Skeptics Dictionary
• James Randi on Dowsing

James Randi and The Skeptic's Dictionary may be authoritative, but honestly I've no idea. I believe both links fail ELNO#1, since they pretty much discuss what's already in the WP article. In addition, there are other authoritative writers/organizations that not are linked, I don't see how these two "deserve" being linked as exceptional.

• "Beyond Science" video

Same story, this is just one of many videos on the subject.

If you have time, any comments are appreciated. jonkerz♠ 05:05, 22 June 2010 (UTC)

Thanks for the response.

Both randi.org and skepdic.com can and should be used as references. I haven't looked at the video yet, but just updated the link.

I think the article has serious NPOV problems which I'd like to start working on once I have a bit more time. --Ronz (talk) 15:41, 22 June 2010 (UTC)

Luigi Legnani - Reverts

Hi Ronz. The reverts that were made on that specific article, also took away facts that improved the article. Please be careful before reverting. John Rocher (talk) 08:56, 27 June 2010 (UTC) PS: To be perfectly honest, I'm really "not amused" by this; but tried my best to leave a respectful and kind note above. I hope it's appreciated. :)

I'm happy to restore any properly verified information.

As discussed on your talk page, editors are concerned with your repeatedly embedding external links within the body of the article.

What "note above" are you referring to? I don't see any other contributions here by your account. --Ronz (talk) 15:08, 27 June 2010 (UTC)

Please do restore information, or I'll take the issue elsewhere. John Rocher (talk) 15:21, 27 June 2010 (UTC)

I was refering to this note above. John Rocher (talk) 15:23, 27 June 2010 (UTC)

Aspartame controversy

Please note that by reversing my edits, you have restored inaccuracies and bad sources to the article, without giving any concrete, specific reasons in Talk. TickleMeister (talk) 23:22, 28 June 2010 (UTC)

You were bold. That didn't work so well. If there is any merit to concerns, please explain on the talk page. --Ronz (talk) 23:27, 28 June 2010 (UTC)

Solera Networks

Doesn't speedy delete db-g5|db-banned trump notability?

G5. Creations by (a) banned or blocked user(s). Pages created by banned or blocked users in violation of their ban or block, and which have no substantial edits by others. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Qingqingwopigu (talk • contribs) 00:12, 29 June 2010 (UTC)

It has substantial edits by others.

I see no problems with the article, other than it could use more sources and the article could be easily expanded upon given the amount of news about Solera. --Ronz (talk) 00:16, 29 June 2010 (UTC)

LInks

Thanks for the feedback. Just looked through the external links, spam and COI guidelines. For Thwack, the goal was to add an internal link so the article wouldn't be an orphan. Also to update the list of features on the community (in this case, a blog). Still unsure why these aren't appropriate changes. After reading the external links guide, it makes sense to remove the Thwack link from the SolarWinds article. I initially saw the connection and linked them but get what you're saying after rereading the guidelines. Jinxynix (talk) 00:25, 29 June 2010 (UTC)

Thanks for getting back to me on this. Sounds like you're figuring it out on your own. Let me know if you need further help or clarification. --Ronz (talk) 00:29, 29 June 2010 (UTC)

Ankylosing Spondylitis Answers removal

Ronz,

Please clarify for me why the link to answers.ankylosing.org was removed, while the link to spondylitis.org (SAA) remains intact. We are both non-profits serving people with this disease.

Thank you. Chris —Preceding unsigned comment added by Chrisbennett468 (talk • contribs) 16:18, 29 June 2010 (UTC)

Thanks for the message. Thanks for pointing out the improper link. I've removed it. --Ronz (talk) 16:30, 29 June 2010 (UTC)

I don't know what's going on here between you two, but Ronz, I'm still looking for an answer as to why one non-profit serving this disease can be listed but we cannot. I would appreciate some clarification. Chrisbennett468 (talk) 22:09, 30 June 2010 (UTC)

Sorry for the distraction. Have you seen your talk page? The notes and links there should explain everything.

Looks like I thought you meant ankylosing.org when you actually were referring to spondylitis.org. My mistake. Spondylitis.org is being used in the article as a reference (http://www.spondylitis.org/press/news/326.aspx). It should probably be replaced with a link to the interview it links (http://www.musicradar.com/news/guitars/musicradar-interview-motley-crues-mick-mars-165974).

The internal link to SAA goes to a WP:STUB article. If you feel you organization deserves a stub as well, you can follow the instructions there on how to start it. Please be mindful of WP:COI when you do. --Ronz (talk) 23:06, 30 June 2010 (UTC)

Tangential discussion

Aside Dear Mr Ronz, I would really like understand how to best communicate with you in a manner that is acceptable to you, informative to you, and will lead to a response by you that is useful and informative to me. Do you REALLY think your response above is in some way related the the polite question you were asked? For your information, this is intented as a serious question - not as a "personal attack". I would really like to read a relevant response from you so that I can understand your POV and hence actually COMMUNICATE with you in a manner that is useful to both you and me. My expectation is that you will completely ignore my request, and that you will revert my questions. I REALLY hope that you prove me wrong. I really hope you will suggest a method by which we can usefully interact and come to a mutually acceptable solution to our communication problems. Pdfpdf (talk) 12:50, 30 June 2010 (UTC) Thank you for fairly civil comments. There's nothing special to understand: Simply be civil. If you're unable to do so, clean up after yourself. "Do you REALLY think.." Not very civil of you. What happened is that this editor identified a link added by a very problematic spammer. I started investigating the extent of the spamming, but didn't have time to finish, nor write a report. Sadly, I never followed up here either. --Ronz (talk) 16:14, 30 June 2010 (UTC) Thanks for the reply. You seem to have missed most of my intent - clearly, I did not explain myself well enough - but I think there has been some communication, and that can't be bad. Again, thanks for the reply, Pdfpdf (talk) 16:24, 30 June 2010 (UTC) If you're expecting more, attempt to clean up after yourself and let me know that you've done so. --Ronz (talk) 16:31, 30 June 2010 (UTC) I suggest you focus your attention on Wikipedia:Administrators'_noticeboard/Incidents#Personal_attacks_and_harassment_by_Pdfpdf Wikipedia:Administrators'_noticeboard/Incidents#Personal_attacks_by_Pdfpdf. --Ronz (talk) 17:35, 30 June 2010 (UTC)

Your edits to Food processing

Ronz as far as i know the aim to add useful content such as informative external links to Wikipedia not to delete content. YouAndMeBabyAintNothingButCamels (talk) 07:35, 30 June 2010 (UTC)

Thanks for the note.

If I understand you correctly, then I have to say no. The aim of Wikipedia is to create informative articles. External links, other than those being used as references, are purely secondary to this aim. The one you restored is the one I had the least concern about. It's a bit off topic. If it's removed again, it would be best to discuss on the article talk page and keep in mind that the burden of evidence is with the editor seeking to add the link. --Ronz (talk) 16:01, 30 June 2010 (UTC)

Checkpoint

Howdy! I've lost track of what the current status is.
Are we in a state of "equilibrium"?
Or are there outstanding issues raised by you that I haven't addressed yet?
Cheers, Pdfpdf (talk) 12:18, 30 June 2010 (UTC)

Thanks for the civil comment. It's a very nice and unexpected change from you. I have no interest in continuing to interact with you when you behave otherwise, and when you are unable to clean up after your outbursts.

I'm awaiting response at ANI on my original concerns. --Ronz (talk) 16:06, 30 June 2010 (UTC)

Sorry, I don't understand your reply. Is that a "yes" or a "no"? Pdfpdf (talk) 16:11, 30 June 2010 (UTC)

Sadly, I now see you don't have your outbursts under control. Clean up after yourself. Demonstrate a respect for our behavioral policies. Afterward, we can work on consensus-building again. --Ronz (talk) 17:11, 30 June 2010 (UTC)

I suggest you focus your attention on Wikipedia:Administrators'_noticeboard/Incidents#Personal_attacks_and_harassment_by_Pdfpdf Wikipedia:Administrators'_noticeboard/Incidents#Personal_attacks_by_Pdfpdf. --Ronz (talk) 17:35, 30 June 2010 (UTC)

Ossification of the posterior longitudinal ligament

I added a reply to Wikipedia:Editor assistance/Requests#Found an article in article talk. I'm not qualified to compare the versions or evaluate whether they are suited for mainspace. PrimeHunter (talk) 23:09, 30 June 2010 (UTC)

Thanks for the help! --Ronz (talk) 23:12, 30 June 2010 (UTC)

IOOF Incident Notification

G'day Ronz, Re the delay in response - I've been on the road and I couldn't get decent reception last night hence the delay in my editing. I did not say that you wouldn't accept an alternate viewpoint, I said that I had not seen evidence of it and that I was not confident of it but hoped that I was wrong. I was quite careful to avoid stating it as an assumption of bad faith, whilst at the same time expressing my concern and a hope that my concern was ill founded. I apologise if I conveyed the wrong impression with this. I should note that I had also checked both the WP:ORGZ and AfC pages prior to posting and did not notice any related activity there beyond my original request for a review of my categorisation on WP:ORGZ which I posted several days ago (and which remains unactioned). My objection to your lack of editing on the site is based on a belief that if one is going to be critical of the way things are being done, then one ought to be prepared to pitch in and assist on improving things, particularly in scenarios similar to the present one where there is contested ground - if nothing else, it helps avoid creating the impression that one is just trolling (your wider contributions to Wikipedia are clear evidence that you are not trolling). My main purpose in posting on the incident page was to ensure that Pdfpdf's position was put in to a broader context and that he wasn't taken to be just a troll. His low tolerance threshold can result in him being his own worst enemy sometimes, but notwithstanding, he is genuinely working to contribute positively to Wikipedia and I thought that it was important that this be understood. I would really appreciate it if you removed the additional tags as I don't believe these are essentially not separate issues to you main concern of length/notability, in essence it is double dipping and, as argued I don't even think that they can be sustained, regardless of the concerns on length/notability. I will be updating the talk page shortly as I have a comparable example to throw in to the mix that may help convince you on the overall issues. Please note, I will copy the additional argument on the standalone list page back to the main page as the list has been re-raised there and it will help keep the debate in one location. In my view, the fate of the standalone list depends on the outcome of the overall debate. No sense in having two lists with identical purpose. Cheers, AusTerrapin (talk) 17:17, 1 July 2010 (UTC)

Please just read WP:AGF before you dig yourself in too deep. The whole point is to assume good faith when you don't have evidence to assume otherwise. You've repeatedly stated you're doing the opposite, that you are assuming I won't be cooperative while specifically stating that you don't have any evidence for making such an assumption.

"if one is going to be critical..." Again, AGF. I'm addressing what I see as a problem. My involvement in other issues is completely, totally unrelated.

Don't make the "troll" reference by another editor into something bigger than it is. He was simply suggesting I back away from a problematic situation.

"No sense in having two lists" Agreed. It was a good way to come to an understanding and agreement on what to do next. Eventually, we have to address both lists.

Again, I'm hoping we can move on from here. --Ronz (talk) 17:54, 1 July 2010 (UTC)

Customer experience

Thanks for the note. I left you a note on your talk page and started a discussion on the article talk page. --Ronz (talk) 16:23, 2 July 2010 (UTC)

It looks like he's done a great job promoting his new book. --Ronz (talk) 16:26, 2 July 2010 (UTC)

I apologize for "making negative assumptions,"--thanks for clarifying. 16:54, 2 July 2010 (UTC)

Don't worry about it. You're new here. I figured you hadn't seen any of the comments yet. --Ronz (talk) 17:00, 2 July 2010 (UTC)

Thanks--and you're right--I was looking at the top of the talk page not the bottom... now that I've further documented it, would you consider accepting the work I put in now? I think it fits, is relevant (his concept of anticipatory customer service, which is behind the success of The Ritz-Carlton Hotel Company, Zappos, and other masters of the customer experience), and is a very contemporary reference. If The Salt Lake Tribune quote isn't your favorite, I can provide one from his book (published by the american management association) or from a different expert or whatever, but I thought that was a good brief one. 18:20, 2 July 2010 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Summerbreeze45 (talk • contribs)

Let's discuss this on the talk page.

Before you do, it would help to review the policies and guidelines that have been brought up, WP:COI, WP:RS, and WP:PSTS. --Ronz (talk) 18:46, 2 July 2010 (UTC)

AT

Thanks for your efforts on the attachment sock, DPeterson et al. This has been going on for years and he usually posts when I am offline in the UK. It's relieving to see an admin involved who can do it all properly. Fainites ^barleyscribs 10:33, 4 July 2010 (UTC)

Glad I could help! --Ronz (talk) 14:25, 4 July 2010 (UTC)

Hi. Theres another one here. His user name is a combination of two names of people who have criticised his therapy and claims of "evidence base" in the real world! I don't know how to start an SPI though. Fainites ^barleyscribs 10:04, 6 July 2010 (UTC)

Thanks for letting me know. I filed the report. --Ronz (talk) 15:09, 6 July 2010 (UTC)

Ah! let me look and see how to do it. Fainites ^barleyscribs 15:13, 6 July 2010 (UTC)

Now that there's one in the new format, it's easy to add onto it. All I did was go to Wikipedia:Sockpuppet_investigations#Submitting_an_SPI_case, replace "SOCKMASTER" with "DPeterson", then add the new socks account name and a quick description of the problem. I manually updated the "Cases" list, but it's supposed to update automatically eventually. --Ronz (talk) 15:17, 6 July 2010 (UTC)

Cheers.Fainites ^barleyscribs 15:22, 6 July 2010 (UTC)

Hello, Hipal. You have new messages at Yworo's talk page.
You can remove this notice at any time by removing the {{Talkback}} or {{Tb}} template.

You've been popping up on my watchlist a lot so....

Hi, since I keep seeing your name I thought I'd pop in and say hello, hello! :) I hope all is well with you these days. We don't seem to cross paths these days. Well take care and keep in touch ocassionally. --CrohnieGal^Talk 17:05, 6 July 2010 (UTC)

Thanks for the note! Doing OK here - avoiding drama best I can. I keep meaning to drop you a note. Hope you're well. --Ronz (talk) 18:05, 6 July 2010 (UTC)

I'll try to get around to dropping you an email. Things here have been very busy to say the least. Talk soon, --CrohnieGal^Talk 21:32, 6 July 2010 (UTC)

Unclear why I was emailed?

I'm confused by your message. Do you work for Wikipedia? I'm a journalist and I've actually seen this school's curriculum and also contacted them for information about their admissions process. I sought out a number of students of the school and spoke with them independent of the school's knowledge and was satisfied that a more well-rounded view of CCNH should be available for the general public, particularly minority applicants.

If you are merely the author of this piece, it's a little libelous, I think. I'm surprised that the school and its regents haven't sent you a cease and desist letter. But I think if you are truly fair, impartial and without agenda, you should allow other people's material to be added to the page for a more balanced view. I also noticed that the references cited are from the same organization. That seems like an agenda to me... —Preceding unsigned comment added by NikosSimpson (talk • contribs) 20:42, 7 July 2010 (UTC)

Thanks for the note.

I'm assuming by "emailed" you're referring to the comment I left you on your talk page. I'm unaware of anyone sending you any email.

I believe the article is fairly well referenced and balanced. If you disagree, please discuss it on the article talk page, and take a look at the past discussions there on this topic.

As already noted on your talk page WP:NPOV and WP:OR are the policies that cover these issues. If you'll read over them you'll see that "balance" doesn't mean picking two or more sides and presenting them as if they were equally worthy of note. --Ronz (talk) 20:50, 7 July 2010 (UTC)

Akashic Record Reading

Hey Ronz! How're you? I'm not sure if you could help with the above article, but you were the first person I thought of! The above article has been written with lots of POV etc. It's already been put up for deletion! -- Xxglennxx ^★talk_{contributions★} 15:55, 8 July 2010 (UTC)

Thanks for the heads up.

Are you familiar with the article subject? Do you think anyone could find some good references for it? If not, I think it should be deleted. It looks like the new editor and the ip are doing little more than promoting a website. --Ronz (talk) 16:05, 8 July 2010 (UTC)

Deletion of external link from Carbonade flamande

I do not understand why a link to a recipe on my blog was deleted from this page. A large majority of external links on cuisine related websites link to blog and other recipe sites. I am not a commercial site and I do not receive any monetary compensation for my page. Thank you Aktormedic (talk) 20:01, 8 July 2010 (UTC) aktormedic

Sorry that other, inappropriate external links led you to adding your own. Such links are inappropriate per WP:SPAM, WP:EL, and WP:NOTLINK. Additionally, you should take care editing against a conflict of interest. --Ronz (talk) 20:17, 8 July 2010 (UTC)

I understand your statement, but it's hardly a conflict of interest to link to a recipe on a page. I can understand that this may apply when adding on controversial pages, political topics or items that directly bring money to the owner when either linked to or purchased from. By definition, a COI creates a lack of neutrality when one is desired, usually in a legal sense, and onlywhen a neutral stance exists. Adding recipes with correct citations on the pages does not meet this definition. From reading both articles I respectfully disagree with your determination of both spamming and conflict of interest. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Aktormedic (talk • contribs) 20:42, 8 July 2010 (UTC)

You said "my blog" so it's a conflict of interest per WP:COI, and "you should avoid or exercise great caution when"..."linking to the Wikipedia article or website of your organization in other articles (see Wikipedia:Spam)."

WP:ELNO #11 specifically excludes blogs from external links.

If you want others' opinions, I suggest starting at WP:ELN, but WP:COIN would be appropriate as well per our dispute resolution policy. --Ronz (talk) 21:00, 8 July 2010 (UTC)

That page's only statement is to "avoid" the posting of blogs. I am sure that this is intended to prevent people getting money from click throughs via Wikipedia. My blog does not fall into that category. As it does not state that such activity is prohibited, I will repost my link and discuss it in the talk section of the page. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Aktormedic (talk • contribs) 21:05, 8 July 2010 (UTC)

The burden is on you to justify it belongs. --Ronz (talk) 21:12, 8 July 2010 (UTC)

So, I don't get it. I read all of the things you post, you tell me to justify it belongs, then you re-delete my link and threaten to stop me from editing after I post it in the talk section for each page. Either a policy is enforced strictly or not at all. When a policy states that "it should be avoided" it does not mean that "it shall not be done". Spamming is the wrong definition for this, conflict of interest even less applicable. I am not promoting anything by linking to recipes. I am not spamming. I posted the links into different talk sections and you are the only one that seems to have a problem with it. (inappropriate comments removed --Ronz (talk) 17:08, 11 July 2010 (UTC)) Aktormedic (talk) 13:44, 10 July 2010 (UTC) aktormedic

I didn't delete the link this time. Someone else did. As it mentions in WP:ELBURDEN, the link should not be re-added until others agree.

I suggest you wait for other editors to respond to your comments. I'll comment further when I have the time. --Ronz (talk) 15:09, 10 July 2010 (UTC)

You don't appear to understand WP:COI. You have a coi with the content you've added. That's an undeniable fact.

No, we don't recommend avoiding links to blogs solely because of financial incentives.

"Either a policy is enforced strictly or not at all." Every policy and guideline specifically states otherwise. --Ronz (talk) 17:07, 11 July 2010 (UTC)

Could use you opinion

Hi, would you take a look at this and let me know if this is a reliable source for a BLP article? I am having serious doubts about it for use in an article esp. BLP, but I am second guessing myself, I hate when I do that:). Thanks for any input you can give me on this. --CrohnieGal^Talk 11:46, 10 July 2010 (UTC)

It looks like they just republish others' news reports. If this is correct, while they might be used as a link to a report, the attribution and reliability of the report would fall to the original news source (AP, etc). --Ronz (talk) 15:20, 10 July 2010 (UTC)

Well, I should have given you more information to go on. It is being used at the Susan Sarandon article. So should I look for the original news source or do you think it's ok to keep it as is? Sorry, I know you're busy, --CrohnieGal^Talk 17:38, 10 July 2010 (UTC)

As far as I can see, the source there verifies nothing in the article. I'd argue for removal of the reference and the external link. --Ronz (talk) 01:54, 11 July 2010 (UTC)

The link was spammed to the External links section by 68.173.30.173 (talk · contribs), so I removed it from there. --Ronz (talk) 02:03, 11 July 2010 (UTC)

Thank you very much for your help. I thought so but darn, I double thought myself. :) I should have gone with my instincts. :) Thanks again, you're always so helpful, --CrohnieGal^Talk 17:57, 11 July 2010 (UTC)

Just so you know I had to revert back some edits of a confirmed sock puppet and an IP editor that didn't help with their edits. I did give you credit for removing the one EL though. There were two EL's that aren't reliable source so I removed them too. Just thought I'd let you know. :) --CrohnieGal^Talk 18:12, 11 July 2010 (UTC)

Glad I could help! --Ronz (talk) 18:31, 11 July 2010 (UTC)

Deletion of external link from JIA

I had recently added some information in regards to JIA and pain and sleep disorders. I also had linked an external website (OThealthliteracy.ualberta.ca) on the main page, and I received a comment saying that it was not appropriate for me to link to this website, and that all my information I had posted had been deleted. While I agree that the purpose of Wikipedia is not to advertise or to promote outside sources, I also believe that the OThealthliteracy website provides valuable information to the population, and that the information on pain and sleep disorders in JIA should not be edited out completely, as it is now. Instead of linking the webpage in the article, would it instead be ok to reference the webpage? The OThealthliteracy page is a University-run website, and not for commercial purposes. Many families are not aware of how to access these free resources and we feel that providing information and resources to health care providers and to families of children with JIA is invaluable to the treatment and management of pain and sleep disorders in JIA. Thank you very much for your time, Research87 (talk) 16:08, 12 July 2010 (UTC)

Thanks for responding to my comments.

The content and the manner in which you added the material suggested you were more interested in promoting the website than anything else.

If you'll notice, I left the non-promotional material in Cerebral palsy, noting that it should be better incorporated into the article. It seemed too far off topic for Juvenile idiopathic arthritis.

It looks like you have access to a large amount of research that could be useful for expanding both articles. I'll hope that you'll consider such additions, and I'll be happy to help.

If you think the link might be useful and appropriate as an external link, it should be discussed on the respective article talk pages first, given your conflict of interest. --Ronz (talk) 16:36, 12 July 2010 (UTC)

Thank you for the quick reply. I have discussed the removal of the information on the JIA talk page, and am currently waiting for a reply. We still feel that including information on pain and sleep disorders for various conditions such as JIA are vital for proper treatment and management. I would like to request another addition to the wiki article by making appropriate edits to my original entry, such as deleting anything that could be considered promotional material, referencing the appropriate web page, and including references stating that pain and sleep disorders are very much relevant to JIA. Would it be best to edit my addition on the article’s talk page, or to write it on here? Could you also please clarify what you mean by expanding the articles? Thanks again, Research87 (talk) 19:14, 12 July 2010 (UTC)

If we don't get a reply quickly, there are numerous ways to proceed as discussed in WP:DR. WP:THIRD should get a quick response.

Yes, that sounds like what I'm thinking, adding well-referenced information that way. Go ahead and try. You might want to look over WP:MEDRS first to get an idea of what types of references are preferred. --Ronz (talk) 19:23, 12 July 2010 (UTC)

Why Delete

Why do you delete the link to the adobo recipes at adoboloco? It's a great resource?