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Many of these questions arise frequently on the talk page concerning Michael Jackson. To view an explanation to the answer, click the [show] link to the right of the question. Q1: Should the article mention reports that Michael Jackson was Muslim? (No.)
A1: No. The article should not mention reports that Michael Jackson was Muslim. Jackson had not publicly spoken about his exact religion in a number of years and only spoke about spirituality in general terms. The specific reports of a conversion ceremony for Jackson have been denied by his New York lawyer Londell McMillan.[1] They were also denied by Yusuf Islam/Cat Stevens[2] and Dawud Wharnsby[3] who were allegedly present at the ceremony. The Michael Jackson memorial service did not involve any Islamic rites. Without further details from his family or representatives, it will not be included in the article. Q2: Should the "Jacko" name be mentioned in the lead? (No.)
A2: No. The "Jacko" name should not be mentioned in the lead. Past consensus goes against such inclusion. The name is a derogatory term used primarily by US/UK/Australian tabloids. The slogan is discussed in the relevant section of the article. Q3: Should the article mention that Jackson reportedly had cancer/blindness/liver disease/AIDS, etc.? (No.)
A3: No.
The article should not mention that Jackson reportedly had cancer, blindness, liver disease, AIDS, etc. Until such claims are confirmed by a Jackson representative it will not go in the article at all. These claims are largely fabricated by tabloids. Q4: Should the article mention that Jackson reportedly had a secret child called Omer Bhatti? (No.)
A4: No.
This claim was denied by Bhatti [4] and only a DNA test would resolve the matter. Q5: Isn't Jackson the seventh child of the Jackson family, not the eighth? (No.)
A5: No.
Marlon had a twin, Brandon, who died shortly after birth. This makes Michael the eighth child. |
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Michael Jackson's religion was nominated for deletion. The discussion was closed on 16 November 2009 with a consensus to merge. Its contents were merged into Michael Jackson. The original page is now a redirect to this page. For the contribution history and old versions of the redirected article, please see its history; for its talk page, see here. |
Business career (1984–85)
The changes requested below have been made. Aleskr (talk), 17 November 2010
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Please change: "However, McCartney later changed his mind and tried to persuade John Lennon's widow Yoko Ono to join him in a joint bid. Ono declined, and McCartney pulled out."
to: "Previously, McCartney was offered the ATV catalog for £20 million ($40 million USD) in 1981. He contacted Yoko Ono to make a joint purchase by splitting the cost equally at £10 million each, but Ono thought they could buy it for £5 million each. When they were unable to, he let the offer fall through, not wanting to pay the £20 million himself."
McCartney tried to make a joint purchase with Yoko Ono when he was OFFERED the catalog for £20 million in 1981, NOT when MJ was bidding for it in 1984. He never attempted to place a bid when the catalog was put up for sale in 1984. These two sources confirm the £20 million offer and failed attempt to make a joint purchase was prior to the 1984 open bidding:
http://www.pophistorydig.com/?tag=michael-jackson-john-branca (see section "Jackson Invests")
http://mjjinfo.blogspot.com/2010/11/paul-mccartney-refused-to-buy-atv.html (Audio and transcript of McCartney talking being "OFFERED the songs to buy for £20 million pounds" and letting the offer fall through)
The specific year of the offer as 1981 was given here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sony/ATV_Music_Publishing#Acquisition in the sentence, "McCartney had previously attempted to purchase the catalog alongside John Lennon's widow, Yoko Ono in 1981." with Taraborrelli, J. Randy (2004). The Magic and the Madness. Terra Alta, WV (2004) p335–338 as the reference
The above wikipedia (citing Taraborrelli) and pophistorydig.com articles both confirm that after Jackson was notified of the sale in September 1984, John Branca contacted McCartney's attorney who said McCartney would not bid because the catalog was too "pricey". There is no mention of McCartney changing his mind after that.
Aleskr (talk), 17 November 2010
death
Please change the lines about Michael Jackson dying after "suffering" from cardiac arrest. Cardiac arrest means the heart has stopped, so 100% of people "suffer" from cardiac arrest when they die. I'm not sure if the official cause of death is known, but it could be changed to something like, "after administration of several powerful drugs such as propofol, Michael Jackson suffered a cardiac arrest and died."
Pop Singer Michael Jackson
The Name That Should Be Used In The Begining Of Michael Jackson's Wikipedia Page Is His Birth Name, Which Is Michael Joseph Jackson,That Is The Name He Has Always Gone By.Blooper2011 (talk) 20:58, 25 January 2011 (UTC)
- This is an interesting case. The ref cites a document on the page that uses "Joe," but the main FOIA FBI page [5] says "Joseph." The SSDI also says Joseph. So therefore, I've changed it back to Joseph. hbdragon88 (talk) 06:14, 27 January 2011 (UTC)
- What should we do here - his middle name is Joseph as indicated on all the books he has written and published like Moomwalk -- so what do we do here - should we change it back again? and remove the ref that is there - because all know that's driver's licence dont always use full valid name - i dont have my full middle name on my driver's licence...Moxy (talk) 16:55, 28 January 2011 (UTC)
- File:Michael Jackson death certificate.jpg I think this is the definitive statement as to what his middle name is. hbdragon88 (talk) 05:41, 29 January 2011 (UTC)
- Wow that's nice and definitive ..shall we fix it?Moxy (talk) 05:50, 29 January 2011 (UTC)
- File:Michael Jackson death certificate.jpg I think this is the definitive statement as to what his middle name is. hbdragon88 (talk) 05:41, 29 January 2011 (UTC)
- Good question..... SJ (talk) 22:56, 29 January 2011 (UTC)
- Ok i think we got it right now...Its pretty clear that "Joe" is the short form he used, but not the proper name. Looking into this in the USA looks like only 4 documents have to have proper "fully" middle names - Birth certificate - Passport - marriage certificate and death certificate. According to what i found Americans can use short form middle names on tax forums and drivers licences (this includes "Legal" stage names)....Moxy (talk) 23:10, 29 January 2011 (UTC)
Michael Jackson's real middle name is Joe? Joseph is fake. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 88.112.80.197 (talk) 19:28, 16 April 2011 (UTC)
Additional Information regarding Jacksons' skin disease
The time of Jacksons’ diagnoses of Vitiligo and Lupus,> his skin became blotchy. Once his skin was going through pigment differentiation,> Jackson wanted to make it all one colour. Therefore, from confirmation from the> autopsy, skin bleaching creams were used but solely for the purpose of covering> his blotchy skin due to his skin disease, rather than for outrageous rumors> about him having the desire to be Caucasian. Jackson has told the truth from his> interview with Oprah Winfrey in1993, where he openly admitted his skin diagnoses.> Sadly, people refused to believe him even having him publicly admit his disease> and still continued to not believe him until his death and his autopsy results — Preceding unsigned comment added by Guirguc14 (talk • contribs) 13:40, 12 February 2011 (UTC)
- The problem with this is that it's much easier and less intrusive to cover the white blotches with something darker than the other way around. If his skin was indeed blotchy, it was still his choice to go with the lighter skin than the darker skin.
- Also, Oprah Winfrey could well have asked him why he didn't just cover up the lighter skin with darker makeup, but talk show hosts (even as powerful as Oprah) don't get superstar guests like Michael Jackson unless they agree to cooperate with his image makers. —MiguelMunoz (talk) 21:30, 19 March 2011 (UTC)
In response to Guirguc14, Michael Jackson's autopsy report confirmed he had vitiligo (undisputable) and he used bleaching agents hydroquinone and benoquin (having possession of some 20 or so tubes of each agent). Benoquin is an extremely powerful bleaching agent. This chemical can CAUSE vitiligo in individuals that DO NOT possess the disease and it can also TREAT the disease in individuals that have it naturally. By an individual using the cream with an absence of the disease, it can cause 'chemically induced vitiligo' as a side-effect. The chemical does not uniformly strip pigment from the skin and creates 'splotches'. Some people have a problem with accepting Michael's claim that it was a natural occurence rather than something self-inflicted. I am a fan of him, but I am not willing to accept such a claim given the other measures he has taken to change his appearance. He did have vitiligo, albeit it may have been a side effect of cosmetic treatment. Michael was right to say that people are ignorant of the disease, but I believe he caused the disease cosmetically in himself. By discussing it, he gave awareness of the disease. See all sides to the story, however, we will never know the truth. It is all guess-work now that he has gone. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Greyrabbit12 (talk • contribs) 18:09, 16 April 2011 (UTC)
Grammy Awards
Michael Jackson has won 18 Grammy Awards
See http://www.michaeljackson.com/us/michael-jackson-awards
Lead tweak
The start of the second paragraph of the lead states 'In the early 1980s, Jackson became a dominant figure in popular music.' In my view this should instead be changed to 'In the early 1980s, Jackson became the dominant figure in popular music.'. The latter is undoubtedly the case and is more than supported by the contents of the article. Why should there be equivocation?Rangoon11 (talk) 21:54, 20 April 2011 (UTC)
King of Pop an "officially authorized" name, allowed by http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template:Infobox_musical_artist#alias
Some more info on "King of Pop" added back to the alias field:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template:Infobox_musical_artist#alias "Also for the solo artist's legal name(s), or other officially authorized names that differ from their birth name." This extends beyond legal aliases e.g. Madonna_(entertainer) has the following in alias: Madonna Ciccone, Madonna Louise Veronica Ciccone (confirmation name), Esther (Kabbalah name)
As may have been discussed before, "King of Pop" was officially authorized for use numerous times by Michael Jackson in his promotional material. There are many examples, for instance in the O2 announcement of the This Is It concerts "King of Pop" appears on the podium and the electronic banner at the top of the stage: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Qs36fLnSds
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