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Re: WikiProject Israel Museum, Jerusalem

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100000 Edits
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Buster Seven Talk 11 Jan 2012 (UTC)

Amanda Mair charting

The link you see is a few days late in reporting the charts that are published every Friday morning. Here is the link for Amanda Mair charting date 24 February 2012 in week 8 of the Swedish Albums Chart. http://www.sverigetopplistan.se/ The albums chart indicates her as a new entry to the Top 60 Albums chart straight at #16 in the first week of the release of her self-titled album Amanda Mair. The reference I gave in the swedishcharts.com will show it automatically in only 2-3 days, as they need time to duplicate the information they receive from the official sverigetopplistan.se chart. The reason I put the swedishcharts.com is that it is permanent whereas the page sverigetopplistan.se gets updated and the front page gets replaced with newer charts every week. For example swedishcharts.com shows the 17 February chart with Ansiktet #1 with "Äckligt" whereas we already know the #1 was replaced and now Michel Teló is the #1 with "Ai se eu te pego!" with chart dated 24 February... So there also the http://www.swedishcharts.com is lagging a few days as well.... werldwayd (talk) 03:27, 26 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Now http://www.swedishcharts.com has updated its information and the link which is reference #4 clearly indicated the #16 charting position of Amanda Mair here with the Amanda Mair album: http://www.swedishcharts.com/showitem.asp?interpret=Amanda+Mair&titel=Amanda+Mair&cat=a Also thanks for your kind comments. werldwayd (talk) 23:47, 29 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Re: Proposed deletion of James Hahn (naval officer)

Hi Bgwhite - fine by me - the only reason i created the page was to split the information out from the article on Hahn Island, where it was overloading and unbalancing the article. BTW, the fact that a landmass (even if only a small island) is named after a person is usually enough for that person's article to survive a prod, so I have removed that... you may want to take this to a full AfD. Grutness...wha? 00:22, 29 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Some baklava for you!

weldone Edirin247 (talk) 15:37, 29 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Persondata bot

Greetings BG, its the IP formerly known as Kumioko. I was also working on a task for the Persondata short description and the only way I could get it to work reasonably well was to start with the more important stuff and work down. So basically I did several groups for several things. I had a group that dealt with politicians and started with President and went down from there (I had about 200 different politician categories captured), then it would go into another group that added military stuff like General, Medal of Honor, a couple other medals like Navy Cross, and down (that had about 500 categories, then I went into A few other things like people who won a Nobel prize or about 20 other things. I was still working on it but I was up over 1500 lines of code and still working on it. I don't think its going to be an easy thing to do with the edit perfectionists out there. I got pissed at the whole situation and deleted the code (as well as the 9500 plus lines for adding infoboxes) but I thought I would tell you the thought process I had anyway in case it would help. Good luck. BTW, I forgot to mention I was only working on US stuff so including non US stuff will be a lot more complicated. 71.163.243.232 (talk) 04:09, 1 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]

I also noticed your comments here. I'm sad to hear that me and the work I tried to do has been reduced to the butt of a joke and sorry that they made that comment in general. Comments like that and seeing how people thought of me are making me feel better about my decision to stop editing. Cheers. 71.163.243.232 (talk) 04:33, 1 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Yup, your work is the gift that keeps on giving :). It made me mad. I wrote several drafts of responses that were none to nice. I slept on it, calmed down and then told the person to ($_%#? Off.
I do a few things different when I need a change of pace for a few hours. Most are winding down. So, going thru category by category will be becoming my new change of pace routine. Thank you for all the help you have given me. If you ever need something done around here, give me a yell Bgwhite (talk) 06:48, 1 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Balktack

You have new message/s Hello. You have a new message at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Sports's talk page.. I hope that was just a typo... — SMcCandlish   Talk⇒ ɖ∘¿¤þ   Contrib. 09:30, 2 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]

A couple questions about editing

Greetings Bgwhite, per the discussion on my talk page I was hoping I could ask a couple questions so I don't have to keep beating up ACdixon with all my stupid questions. I have had quite a few so I figure if I spread them out a little I won't burn out one editor. :-) I am finding editing to be quite difficult frankly and am gathering quite a few notes/questions on my user page so I figure I better ask around and get some out of the way. It seems like the more experienced users do things intuitively that aren't necessarily written in "Da rules" (sorry for the Fairly odd parents reference, couldn't resist) anywhere for us new folks.

  1. How do I add the ability of seeing persondata and why are the instructions so difficult? Why not just add a checkbox under my preferences or gadgets or something? I think I have followed the directions but still don't see it.
  2. What are more important and what takes precedence, Policies, Guidelines, Essays, other stuff?
  3. Can anyone add the WikiProject banner for a project? Do you need to be a member of the project? I added a couple and thought I should ask before I incur the wrath of some unhappy editor. No offense intended but that seems to happen quite a bit around here.
  4. Is there anything special I need to do about duplicative ones (Biography and Military work group; Military history and Biography task force for example seems sorta duplicative to me).
  5. Why do some project banners add red links like Category:Wikipedia requested photographs of the American Civil War? I found several but this is just an example. My guess is that Kumioko editor meant to do them but didn't have a chance to before they Retired based on this page: User:Kumioko/WikiProject category tracking.
  6. Is there a standard naming policy for parameter names of things like WikiProject templates. For example, some say (needs-image, needs photo, photo-needed, with and without the - or with spaces, etc.)? I assume the answer is no and I think thats very confusing for new users.

Sorry so many, these are just the Persondata, WikiProject banner related ones and I noticed you deal with those quite a bit. ShmuckatellieJoe (talk) 21:05, 2 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]

No problem in asking me questions. Ask as many as you want. I've got my little niche in Wikipedia land. I know or stumbled onto things in my niche. But, go out into something else in Wikia and I can become lost. Yes, there is a learning curve around here. The best things you can do is don't do to many things, don't go to quickly and pick an area you want to explore. Ohh... and ask questions.
  1. I don't have anything to "see" persondata. I use a tool to enter vales into persondata and fix other errors. A very easy tool is, Wikipedia:Persondata-o-matic. The idiot wonderful computer people updated yesterday the version of MediaWiki that Wikipedia uses. The update has broken user scripts, so for right now, you can't see persondata the way you are trying. It's broken alot of things I use too.
  2. Usually it is Policy and then Guidelines. Essays usually don't contain any rules. Some essays are just a person's thoughts and others contain useful information. Each WikiProject may have their own set of rules.
  3. The Biography and Military Projects are separate. Each Project is in their own separate universe. Setting the military work group in Biography will put the article in a special spot in Biography land. The only things that overlap are "listas" and "need-infobox". If it is a Biography article, listas should only go into the Biography banner. I usually put need-infobox outside of all the the banners using the {{Infobox requested}} template.
  4. There shouldn't be any red links from banners. As you said, either Kumioko was planning to do it or he made a mistake.
  5. There is no standard naming policy. However....
  1. Wikipedia:Talk page layout is the policy on how the talk page is laid out.
  2. WikiProject Biography is the first Project Banner to go on the page of living people. After that, I usually put them in alphabetical order.
  3. I usually put the parameters in a banner the way they are ordered in the template. Template:Wikiproject Biography has living first and class second, so that is the way I order them. I use a tool that puts listas last, but otherwise I try and follow the order.
  4. I don't put spaces in between things. For example, class=start and not class = start. Listas requires no spaces, so I do it for everything else. Kumioko and I did it because we are computer people and spaces makes the files bigger. Old habits die hard.
  5. needs-photo= is the standard way, so I put it that way. However, for biographies, I put it outside the banners in the {{Image requested}} template. I know if the Biography has the musician work group, the image requested template looks like: {{Image requested|musicians}}. Image requested allows you to make multiple photo requests.
  6. I use a tool called AutoHotkey to fill in things. If I press the windows key + "s", it prints out "|sports-work-group=yes|sports-priority=low". My script is at User:Bgwhite/AutoHotkey. I also have a notepad open so I can copy paste somethings I can't remember.... all the different parameters for Image requested for example.
I didn't learn things overnight and I still learn things. Don't worry about making mistakes, because you will. Just try the best you can. Bgwhite (talk) 23:50, 2 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you so much for the help. I have a lot going on this weekend so I didn't know if I was gonna be able to login till next week. Just wanted to say thanks for taking the time. ShmuckatellieJoe (talk) 01:47, 3 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]

New Page Triage engagement strategy released

Hey guys!

I'm dropping you a note because you filled out the New Page Patrol survey, and indicated you'd be interested in being contacted about follow-up work. This is to notify you that we've finally released both the initial documentation about the project and also the engagement strategy, which sets out how we plan to work with the community on this. Please give both a read, and leave any comments or suggestions you have on the talkpage, on my talkpage, or in my inbox - okeyes@wikimedia.org.

It's awesome to finally get to start work on this! :). Okeyes (WMF) (talk) 02:03, 3 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Uh, ok, thanks for clarifying me! Regards, Cavarrone (talk) 06:16, 3 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Clean-up

You cleaned up a page I was in the process of editing, getting rid of the headings as I was in the process of adding the info. Do you check to see if an edit is in process? I just took a coffee break. Marj (talk) 08:47, 3 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]

There is no way tell if somebody is in the middle of editing a page. All you can see is if somebody saved an edit while you are editing. I usually copy my work and past it again in a new window. Bgwhite (talk) 08:51, 3 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]
No worries - I should go to bed anyway. Marj (talk) 09:21, 3 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Spelman

Hi, I removed the template as the article is notable - it has been a lead story in both Television and Radio news for the last 24 hours, see https://www.google.com/search?client=ubuntu&channel=fs&q=jonathan+spelman&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&gl=uk Unibond (talk) 09:07, 3 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Please read WP:NOT#NEWS. Just because somebody shows up in the news, does not make one notable. Bgwhite (talk) 09:10, 3 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Talkback

Hello, Bgwhite. You have new messages at Assassin's Creed's talk page.
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Assassin'S Creed T - E - C - G - 14:50, 3 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]

AWB

Hello Bgwhite, I think you are a little busy that's why you didn't reply. Can you please help me in using AWB, I read User manual on AWB but understood a little. Hopefully.-- Assassin'S Creed T - E - C - G - 14:28, 4 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]

your recent change to the Carmen Balcells article

You changed the lead sentence from "is the most famous literary agent in the world of Spanish letters" to "is a literary agent of Spanish letters". You said this was using peacock terms. It is not. It is the way she is described in the Spanish press. The second citation takes us to her bio at the Prince of Spain's personal foundation where (direct quotation) it says "is the most celebrated literary agent in the world of Spanish-language literature". If she were just a literary agent she wouldn't be notable and wouldn't deserve an article on Wikipedia. I am going to change it back.--GroveGuy (talk) 00:00, 5 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]

To have that as the first sentence is a peacock term. It is like a movie article with the lead sentence by "critic" proclaiming the movie the best in the world. The lead paragraph is to describe what follows in the article, not to throw out superlatives. Bgwhite (talk) 04:22, 5 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]
I am struggling to understand your viewpoint. This is a direct quotation by the son of the King of Spain. This is what the largest newspaper in the Spanish language calls her; "es una de las personalidades más poderosas e influyentes de las letras hispanas." But I will change it back because this is the first time I ever got an article on the front page of Wikipedia and I don't want my mother to see this disruptive tag.--GroveGuy (talk) 11:19, 5 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Contact User:Drmies about it. He excels at giving advice on new articles. It's sort of his specialty. If he feels it is ok or should be worded different, I sure wouldn't have a problem. Also, be very careful as you have a conflict of interest. See WP:COI for more info. Not saying you shouldn't work on your Mother's article, but you should take caution. Bgwhite (talk) 21:42, 5 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]
I have contacted Drmies. I agree to abide by his decision. Also - there is no conflict of interest - my mother is not involved except as a reader of my articles. I do not know Carmen Balcells. She is just someone my friends were talking about and I was amazed there was no Wikipedia article about her. So I created one. --GroveGuy (talk) 23:12, 5 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Account password question

Greetings Bgwhite. Sorry to bug you again so soon but someone in my office just asked me a question and I cannot, for the life of me, find the answer. If someone creates an account, forgets their password and does not have an EMAIL in their account settings, is it possible to reset it somehow or do they just need to create a new account? Thanks in advance. ShmuckatellieJoe (talk) 19:49, 6 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]

There is no way to recover or reset the password without an email account. They can set up a new one. It is "illegal" to have two accounts unless you are upfront about it. They can get banned for having two accounts, it is called Wikipedia:Sock puppetry. I have a second account, User:BG19bot, but the page lists that it is a secondary account. On their old account, add the {{Former account}} template to take of the problem... {{Former account|ShmuckatellieJoe}}   Also, add and email address to it or use something like Lastpass. Bgwhite (talk) 21:24, 6 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Ok well thats too bad. I told him and he said it wasn't worth the hassle. As he put it, if Wikipedia doesn't have a way to recover his old account and then wants to add all sorts of rules and caveats to avoid him getting banned, because they are incapable of recovering the old account, its a good enough reason for him to stay away. I hate to sound like a jerk about it but I rather agree with him. I guess that also means that Kumioko user is out of luck too according to his userpage. ShmuckatellieJoe (talk) 23:51, 6 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Well, the problem being is how do we know your friend and his old account go together? Wikipedia is always at the top of reports where privacy is concerned... Wikipedia has nothing around tying an account to anything except an email address. Wikipedia never asks for anything else and doesn't place cookies on your computer. Second, if you friend doesn't have alot of edits, what does it matter? They can retrieve all their old pages because all pages are publicly viewable. Only thing changed would be their edit count starting at 0.
There is a big problem with Sock puppet accounts. But, I said, "can get banned" and not will get banned. If their old account never edits again, there is a 0% chance of them ever getting banned. I was just offering a suggestion above to make it clear to anyone about the change of accounts.
Kumioko did it on purpose. I think he was so angry he wasn't thinking straight on alot of things, but I can't blame him. More importantly, if he comes back, he doesn't want to be associated with the Kumioko account. There is too much stigma attached to Kumioko. It is called Wikipedia:Clean start. Bgwhite (talk) 00:16, 7 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]
All good points. Its still isn't an easy process and I would guess that rules like that are part of the reason why there are so many Sockpuppet accounts that get banned. MY guess is most don't know the rule so they just create a new account and edit in good faith. At some point someone finds out and criminalize the activity. Only a guess mind you I really don't know.
Thats probably true for Kumioko, it seems a shame. In the week or so I have been here, reading and bouncing around it seems like there isn't a page they didn't touch. The name was absolutely every where. Maybe that was part of the problem, I dunno. I looked at his edit count with that edit counter thing. 320, 000 holy crap. They must have lived on here, lol. If I invested that much time and effort I would probably get a bit angry too. It doesn't seem like the situation was handled well at all but what do I know, I've been here for a week. Anyway, thanks again. ShmuckatellieJoe (talk) 00:52, 7 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]

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Daniello Ojeda

Thank you for correct this article and your time. You are absolutely right. I have been trying to get more reliable sources but I couldnt find more, online at least. You can delete this article. Like i said, thank you again from Miami. Im really appreciate it.

Misty2011 (talk) 00:28, 8 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]

thank you for the corrections on this article. But you are absollutely right. I have been trying

New Persondata-o-matic release

FYI I've put a new release up at Wikipedia:Persondata-o-matic with Hellknowz's changes and a few others, should deal with the problem of piped links in fields. A comprehensive solution would require somewhat more work, but this will deal with most cases. Dcoetzee 09:22, 8 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]

AWB Bug

Hello! Just checked your edit at Tahir Rafique Butt, probably there is sum bug in AWB, which you may like to report. --SMS Talk 14:06, 8 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Harriet Elizabeth Byrd

I noticed that you added the article I recently created on former Wyoming politician Harriet Elizabeth Byrd to WikiProject Nevada and would like to know your reasoning for doing so since she has no obvious connection to Nevada. --TommyBoy (talk) 14:14, 8 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]

It was me having a brain fart. I wish I knew what I was thinking at the time. Bgwhite (talk) 19:26, 8 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you for your response. I figured it was a mistake, and went ahead and removed the WikiProject tag. Incidentally enough, as a member of three different U.S. state WikiProjects, I have made the same mistake myself when adding WikiProject tags to articles, so it's no big deal. --TommyBoy (talk) 03:01, 9 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Page Triage newsletter

Hey guys!

Thanks to all of you who have commented on the New Page Triage talkpage. If you haven't had a chance yet, check it out; we're discussing some pretty interesting ideas, both from the Foundation and the community, and moving towards implementing quite a few of them :).

In addition, on Tuesday 13th March, we're holding an office hours session in #wikimedia-office on IRC at 19:00 UTC (11am Pacific time). If you can make it, please do; we'll have a lot of stuff to show you and talk about, including (hopefully) a timetable of when we're planning to do what. If you can't come, for whatever reason, let me know on my talkpage and I'm happy to send you the logs so you can get an idea of what happened :). Regards, Okeyes (WMF) (talk) 23:51, 8 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Hi Bgwhite, Can I please move the Ismail Seremba page from Article to User Talk till he is called up for senior team? :)

You can't put it into your talk page, but you can copy it to anywhere in your user area. There's a page called a "Sandbox", that people have to test out edits or place copies of pages they are working on. I've already copied the article to User:ZZ47/Sandbox. Bgwhite (talk) 10:35, 9 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Ok. Thanks Bgwhite. So, Can you please tell me how to save the page by deletion?
You can't. You will have to wait till he plays a match with the senior team. Bgwhite (talk) 21:40, 9 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]

References formatting

Bgwhite, Can you please format the references of User:ZZ47/Ismail Rasheed, as the references in the page Greg Abbott (footballer). So, that I will also learn ho add reference links like that. I know Wikipedia:Referencing for beginners will help me for that but i still feel difficult. :( :)

No problems. I'm about to sleep for the night, so I'll get to it tomorrow. Bgwhite (talk) 10:52, 9 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Ok, Thanks :)
I did the references and also did alot of cleanups. Bgwhite (talk) 21:39, 9 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Ok, So is User:ZZ47/Ismail Rasheed ready to be moved to Article from User Page?

I put some "needs citations" tags in the article. Could you find references for those. Also, make sure you sign you posts with ~~~~ to leave your signature behind. Bgwhite (talk) 07:00, 10 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Sorry man.. There are no sources for them in any websites. They are too old Tele dramas, of 1990s. So, what can i do to solve the problem? ZZ47 (talk) 13:34, 11 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Yes, I've got a source. A recent news from the website www.haveeru.com.mv. But the problem is that, it's written in Dhivehi Language. So, is there anything i can do? ZZ47 (talk) 13:39, 11 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Sorry, I didn't know your replied. Dhivehi Language references are fine. English is preferred over any other language. But, sometimes the references are only in another language. Bgwhite (talk) 06:30, 14 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you...

...for your contribution to David F. Denison. Ottawahitech (talk) 20:14, 10 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]

More diff news

Just letting you know that the diff display gadget you told me about has just been enhanced. It's now much closer to the option which you said you were eagerly anticipating. (It's not the same yet, but getting there....) MANdARAX  XAЯAbИAM 21:55, 10 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]

After reading the discussion on Mandarax's page, I enabled that gadget, and I like it. Thanks for mentioning it, Bg. LadyofShalott 22:26, 10 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks

I just wanted to say thanks for fixing the banner I broke at Talk:List of United States tornadoes from January to February 2012. I guess I was thinking of Mickey mouse or something when I did that. ShmuckatellieJoe (talk) 03:04, 11 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]

I wish I could say I had altruistic motives on fixing your banner. But, there is a database page of broken banners that get updated once a week. I fix them because half of them are my mistakes. Bgwhite (talk) 07:20, 11 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Lol, fair enough. Funnily enough I read something similar on Kumioko's talk archive. Although the user seems to have fallen from grace I have found their edits to be a trove of useful knowledge. The user seemed to dabble in just about everything and appeared to me to possess at least equal skills in most respects as any administrator I have come in contact with, without having access to the tools. I expect it will be a long time before Wikipedia can replace them. I regret I didn't get to know them before they lost interest in the project. Anyway, thanks again. ShmuckatellieJoe (talk) 14:51, 11 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]

About Article: Rasaq

Hey, you've put the article Rasaq up for speedy deletion, and it was deleted. I am not a professional wikipedian and don't know if I could undo that. It would of been better if you posted it directly saying that the article has copyright on it, I would've removed them.

- JoyRider - No harm intended — Preceding unsigned comment added by JoyRiderProdz (talkcontribs) 11:02, 11 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]

  • The entire article was a copy-paste from another website and not just parts. So, there would be an empty article if the copyrighted material were removed. You can create the article again. Bgwhite (talk) 18:49, 12 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Markéta Ringelová

Hi Bgwhite, I notice you tagged Markéta Ringelová for the German football task force. I don't know much about this player, but I am interested why you tagged her as German when I found no information about this when I created the article. Maybe you could share it with me or add it to the article? Thank you. - Cloudz679 10:04, 12 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]

A quick note

Hi Bgwhite, I saw what you wrote here and here, and while I've done my best to ignore the various postings for the last month, it just got to be too much over the last couple of days. Please let me know if there is anything I should do besides nothing for the time being, as I assume that's the best course of action. Best, Markvs88 (talk) 21:00, 12 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Problem with blp addition

Just a line to let you know that your addition of blp to Talk:Florian Idenburg had the effect of removing the WikiProjects from normal display. - Ipigott (talk) 08:39, 13 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]

blp is required for living biographies if WikiProjectBannerShell is used. There is also a tracking category to fix those cases. Also, priority in WP Biography is no longer a valid parameter. Should use a&e-priority, sports-priority, politician-priority. See template:WikiProject Biography for valid parameters. Bgwhite (talk) 18:42, 13 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]
I understand your message but your addition simply didn't work. I've had other problems with semi-automatic changes to the bio WP. Can you point me to an example that actually works rather than a set of rules - or simply give me the code here. I am hopeless at following Wikipedia rules but not too bad at writing articles! Thanks. - Ipigott (talk) 18:59, 13 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Look at Talk:Florian Idenburg again. Mandarax came by and reapplied the changes. I use AWB manually, so no semi-automatic changes to talk pages. I make mistakes along with everybody else. Bgwhite (talk) 19:04, 13 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]
First of all, I think I owe you something of an apology for the tone of my messages which, on re-reading, do not seem very polite. I appreciate the time and trouble you constantly devote to improving less than perfect additions by other editors. I have now had time to look through the template page you indicated but find it difficult to follow. As far as I can see from the edit by Mandarax, when using a shell, all that is necessary is to add "blp=yes|1=" at the end of the shell line. I eventually found something similar under Template:WikiProjectBannerShell. I'll try to go back over my last 20 or 30 biographies of living people and make the change. Thanks once again. - Ipigott (talk) 07:43, 14 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Yes, Template:WikiProjectBannerShell is the one you should use. "blp=yes|1=" is all you need to add. It is sort of an inside joke about the "1=". Nobody really knows why it is necessary, but people keep using it. The template actually works fine without it. Generally, only add WikiProjectBannerShell if there are 4 or more banners. WikiProject Biography always goes first.
There is a tracking category for pages that that don't have blp=yes, but needs it. It gets updated late Wednesdays and then all the articles get taken care of. So, any article you wrote before last Wednesday should already have blp=yes. No apologies are necessary. If you ever have a question, don't hesitate to ask on my talk page. Bgwhite (talk) 08:37, 14 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Either the tracking category doesn't work properly or not all the articles are taken care of. I just corrected about 18 talk pages of articles I have written over the past month as they didn't have blp. Don't worry though - I will not make the mistake again. - Ipigott (talk) 18:59, 14 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]
I can't remember my old mistakes because I'm too busy making new ones. Bgwhite (talk) 21:17, 14 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]

New Page Triage newsletter

Hey all!

Thanks to everyone who attended our first office hours session; the logs can be found here, if you missed it, and we should be holding a second one on Thursday, 22 March 2012 at 18:00 UTC in #wikimedia-office. I hope to see you all there :).

In the meantime, I have greatly expanded the details available at Wikipedia:New Page Triage: there's a lot more info about precisely what we're planning. If you have ideas, and they aren't listed there, bring them up and I'll pass them on to the developers for consideration in the second sprint. And if you know anyone who might be interested in contributing, send them there too!

Regards, Okeyes (WMF) (talk) 00:21, 14 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for your very thoughtful gifts...

...I'm just embarrassed that I didn't get anything for you!! Beyond My Ken (talk) 03:43, 14 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]

You are very welcome. I try to be very thoughtful and helpful in any way possible. With your comments on Drmies talkpage, it just had to be done. Hmmm, that Drmies is again the source for discord between us. Why are wasting our energy against each other when it should be focused on Drmies. Kill the Drmies!!!! Bgwhite (talk) 05:23, 14 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Indeed. Let us parlay and plan our strategy! Beyond My Ken (talk) 23:14, 14 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Pfff. You're just a bunch of h8ers. Drmies (talk) 14:43, 15 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Hi Bgwhite, I have deleted the proposed deletion tag of the page. Please see the talk page Talk:Ismail Seremba :) ZZ47 (talk) 06:14, 14 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]

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ZZ47 (talk) 06:49, 14 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Talkback

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Sir Sputnik (talk) 16:10, 14 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Template:Talk header

I have just restored the so-called unnecessary Template:Talk header that you deleted from the talk page of the Dawn Buth article. I just checked the talk page for the template and TfD, and I found absolutely no discussion about this template being "unnecessary," being phased out or otherwise deprecated. Can you explain your deletions of this template in terms of Wikipedia policy or other consensus? Dirtlawyer1 (talk) 06:06, 15 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]

First off, change your tone. Argumentative tone and accusations are totally uncalled for. Nice to see you restore and then ask questions later. The civil ways is to ask questions first.
From Template:Talk_header, "Talk pages that attract frequent or perpetual debate, articles often subject to controversy, and/or recent-and-highly-visible topics are usually appropriate for this template."
From Wikipedia:WikiProject_Talk_pages under specific task. "Removing {{Talk header}} from all but the most controversial pages".
A nobody tennis player and college tennis coach is not going to be a controversial subject. There is something called WP:OVERTAGGING. Bgwhite (talk) 06:23, 15 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you for your explanation. Sorry if my original comment came across as snappish. I see edit-count-obsessed editors rearrange trivial things like spacing on talk pages all the time, without actually making substantive changes, as they zip through 4 or 5 talk page edits per minute en route to their bazillion-edit goal. You apparently are not one of them. Thank you for your efforts. Dirtlawyer1 (talk) 15:20, 15 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]
I don't edit an article if the only thing I do is to remove the talk banner. This means you didn't see my other edit, which would probably be controversial in your eyes as you added it. I removed the WP Florida banner as she has nothing todo with the State of Florida other than living there for four years. She is clearly associated Univ. of Florida, but not the state. Some athletes are associated with a state. Tim Tebow comes to mind as he grew up in Florida and mentions Florida alot.
FYI... My daily routine is to take the new entries on the daily updated Wikipedia:Database reports/Recently created biographies of living people and
  1. On the article: Do an AWB sweep, fix any glaring problems, add DEFAULTSORT, and add Persondata. If something is fishy, I investigate further and apply a Prod or whatever is warranted.
  2. On the talk page: add listas, living, class, and work groups to bio banner. Add any other banners that I can remember. Easily over a 1/3 of new articles are for footballers, so I've got the WP Football template down pat. Remove unneeded banners... WP Sports and WP Film don't include people and I see them added alot.
When I have time to do something else, I usually work to add the Bio banner or fix a specific problem in a tracking category... plus out of habit or stupidity I also do the above things on these articles too.
I do have alot of edits. I can't say I don't peek at the edit count or compare it to others, but number of edits is not my goal. To paraphrase another editor, I'm Sisyphus, rolling a boulder up a hill until some category is cleared out, watch the boulder roll down and roll it back up to clear the category out again. Rinse Repeat. Anotherwords, I roll rocks for "fun". Bgwhite (talk) 06:13, 16 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Kirshbaum proposed deletion

Instead of proposing deletion, why don't you google the name and add a reference, hmm? It would take less time, given that his name has several hundred news artiles as results. KenThomas (talk) 02:12, 17 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Here's an even better thought. When you create a 13 word article, why don't you Google for a reference so other people don't have to do your work? Hmm, it would take less time than you putting a snarky message on suncreator's and my talk pages. Should I call you a lazy moocher like you called me for not even bothering to put a reference on an article you created? Should I find references for the other 22 new articles that came by today without references? Bgwhite (talk) 05:00, 17 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]
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Bio templates

Thanks for your reminder about the work groups.

Re: assessment, I want to point out that sometimes if the article is substantial, I don't feel comfortable adding an assessment higher than stub or start; this is why I may leave it as unassessed. Sometimes I might miss that it is a stub; a lot of stub articles aren't marked as such... My goal is to add a bio tag if it isn't there (i.e., no talk page/red link) and then have others more expert than I review it for an assessment. If this creates more work, I apologize, but I guess I'd rather err on the conservative side...Sincerely,--FeanorStar7 (talk) 19:23, 17 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Hi Bgwhite, The page Ismail Khilath Rasheed is redirected from the page Ismail Rasheed, I feel it is useless to keep the page Ismail Rasheed. So, how about making User:ZZ47/Ismail Rasheed moved to the name Ismail Rasheed, as Ismail Khilath Rasheed and Ismail Rasheed are not the same person.? ZZ47 (talk) 12:57, 18 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Yup, that sounds like a good idea. I'll do it right now. Bgwhite (talk) 19:26, 18 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Hey now, Bgwhite, not so fast. You copied the content but not the history, and thus you violated the requirement of the GFDL. Your ANI notification will be here shortly. Keep in mind that a move means everything is moved. (I was tipped off because the article is still there in user space.) What I'll do is move the article from user space to article space, deleting the current article, and then restore the history (those two edits for a redirect and your copy and paste). Now, you couldn't move it because there was a redirect in the way; next time, ask an admin, or get Mandarax to ask for the bit. Drmies (talk) 00:13, 19 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Precious

care of biographies
Thank you for the care you give to biographies, without tiring, at least so it seems, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 22:57, 18 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Help

Please help me to understand this article Boeing 747-7. Which tag should me required ???? --- Angel from PAKISTAN Let's talk about it! 14:52, 19 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]

There is no Boeing 747-7 article. Which one are you looking at? Bgwhite (talk) 17:55, 19 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]

help triage some feedback

Hey guys.

I appreciate this isn't quite what you signed up for, but I figured as people who are already pretty good at evaluating whether material is useful or not useful through Special:NewPages, you might be interested :). Over the last few months we've been developing the new Article Feedback Tool, which features a free text box. it is imperative that we work out in advance what proportion of feedback is useful or not so we can adjust the design accordingly and not overwhelm you with nonsense.

This is being done through the Feedback Evaluation System (FES), a tool that lets editors run through a stream of comments, selecting their value and viability, so we know what type of design should be promoted or avoided. We're about to start a new round of evaluations, beginning with an office hours session tomorrow at 18:00 UTC. If you'd like to help preemptively kill poor feedback, come along to #wikimedia-office and we'll show you how to use the tool. If you can't make it, send me an email at okeyes@wikimedia.org or drop a note on my talkpage, and I'm happy to give you a quick walkthrough in a one-on-one session :).

All the best, Okeyes (WMF) (talk) 21:33, 20 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Bio banners

I add dozen of them per week, I am not surprised I make a mistake occasionally. Thanks for fixing it. Regarding parameter order, I am pretty sure they work in any order. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| talk to me 23:01, 26 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Please get your numbers right; 99% is quite wrong :> (for the record, I see what happened; I mistakenly assumed all of those bishops were dead - a simple mistake replicated across a few articles, sigh) --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| talk to me 23:11, 26 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Speedy deletion declined: John Carlin (footballer)

Hello Bgwhite. I am just letting you know that I declined the speedy deletion of John Carlin (footballer), a page you tagged for speedy deletion, because of the following concern: there was an entry for John Carlin on the site quoted - I have corrected the reference link. Thank you. JohnCD (talk) 12:20, 28 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]

The creating editor added over 30 articles in a five day span. Only two of them actually had correct information. I was trying to make a point that by adding absolutely the wrong everything, the article could be deleted. Hopefully the editor would straighten up and I don't have to spend several hours correcting the mistakes. Bgwhite (talk) 17:48, 28 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Help

Help Me Please !!!!! --- Angel from PAKISTAN Let's talk about it! 13:51, 28 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Blocked as one of many socks of Sabeeel43 (talk). JohnCD (talk) 15:12, 28 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]
I see where the person created sock accounts, but I don't how they are connected to Sabeeel43. Could you point me to the sockpuppet investigation. Bgwhite (talk) 17:50, 28 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/Cool Angel links them. JohnCD (talk) 17:54, 28 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Ah ok, I was just looking under Sabeeel43. Thank you for the clarification. Bgwhite (talk) 17:58, 28 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]
FYI... Cool Angel asked for help from User:Assassin's Creed. I've made mention of the sockpuppet mess on Assassin's talk page. Bgwhite (talk) 18:04, 28 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Thankss

Thank you on the help at the Brad Maddox article --Nakurio (talk) 18:34, 28 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks a lot!

Thank you for kind help with Vladimir Arenev article. I'm doing my best reading all the manuals, but that was the first article. Regards, Ajaksus (talk) 08:33, 30 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]