Talk:Fuck

Also see Talk:History of the word 'fuck'.

Spears Code Suggestion

(S.Maranatha (talk) 17:57, 29 March 2009 (UTC)) Also, there's a Brittney spears song that says "If you seek Amy" that goes with the subtitle: "If you see kay" encoding. I'd add it but it's locked so yeah. (S.Maranatha (talk) 17:57, 29 March 2009 (UTC)) oombu in tamil —Preceding unsigned comment added by 122.174.106.101 (talk) 20:46, 23 January 2011 (UTC)

Feb 4 2009 edits

I've removed some guff, but there's heaps more that should go. I'll wait a couple of days to see if anyone else wnats to do some heavy lifting, then I'll have another pass. - brenneman 14:48, 4 February 2009 (UTC)

passive voice in definition 2

• The first paragraph says:

It is also a verb that means "to be cheated" ("I got fucked by a scam artist").

The example given (which I believe is correct) contradicts the definition (which I think is wrong). It should be:

It is also a verb that means "to cheat" ("I got fucked by a scam artist").

It may also be worth noting that this usage may be formed emphatically as fucked over, fucked over hard, or fucked in the ass.

ruinia (talk) 01:20, 17 February 2009 (UTC)

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• I agree, the definition as stated in the article is incorrect. It should read, a verb that means "to cheat". 207.155.244.69 (talk) 16:26, 4 March 2009 (UTC)
• I know section makes no mention of it. I'm at work and can't look it up right now, so I thought I would add so someone else can, if not myself, later. 76.192.185.125 (talk) 20:43, 3 March 2009 (UTC)
• The sentiments listed in the paragraph describing transitive and intransitive usage leaves something to be desired:

  "The verb to fuck may be used transitively or intransitively, and it appears in compounds, including fuck off, fuck up, and fuck with. In less explicit usages (but still regarded as vulgar), fuck or fuck with can mean to mess around, or to deal with unfairly or harshly."

  fuck with in less explicit usage can merely mean to tinker with.

  09:17, 14 December 2009 User:99.130.198.123

Carl Jung

Did Carl Jung really connect Pfluog and fuck/fick? It seems extremely far-fetched, without any basis in any sourced corpus. 惑乱 Wakuran (talk) 21:42, 20 March 2009 (UTC)

Yet another possible etymology is from the Old High German word pfluog, meaning "to plow, as in a field" (similiar pronunciation
to ""fuk-"", the sexual euphemism being obvious). This is supported in part by a book by Carl Jung, Psychology of the
Unconscious: A Study of the Transformations and Symbolisms of the Libido, in which he discusses the "primitive play of words"
and the phallic representation of the plough, including its appearance on a vase found in an archaeological dig near Florence,
Italy, which depicts six ithyphallic men (erect penises) carrying a plow.

I'll remove it - I cannot see it in a quick scan through the entirety of Psychology of the Unconsciousness; even if it is found in Jung, Jung is by no means an etymologist and the theory seems flawed anyway (impossible to get plfuog -> fuk [sic, perhaps phonetic transcription intended], modern German has ficken, from MH German ficken not *fucken, this assumes the English/Pseudo-Latin came first, etc...) 90.212.180.42 (talk) 08:52, 7 March 2010 (UTC)

FSCK

Can we link to the wikipedia entry for FSCK? Would you also consider spelling out File System Utility ChecK so that it is clear to non-geek people like me? Thanks. Nicely done overall :D —Preceding unsigned comment added by 64.180.202.146 (talk) 23:54, 28 March 2009 (UTC)

Other uses to possibly add?

Fuck-all "nothing" first recorded 1960.

Fuck up "to ruin, spoil, destroy" first attested c.1916. 64.180.202.146 (talk) 00:17, 29 March 2009 (UTC)

No.

"A fuck" does not mean "a sexual partner." You can say, "she's a terrible fuck," but that doesn't mean sexual partner. That means she's bad at fucking. You can't say "she's my fuck," or "you will get AIDS if you have too many fucks." 128.210.12.38 (talk) 00:02, 4 April 2009 (UTC)

Fixed Hadrian89 (talk) 15:06, 4 April 2009 (UTC)

One certainly can say of a person "[he/she] is my latest fuck," meaning that the person is one's latest sexual partner. This is common usage!

Proper sections

This page has apparently been written by a British author. Hence Shakespeare and British TV find mention prominently. Can the sections be more broadbased like "Occurrence in TV/Print/Movies/Songs/Meetings/etc etc". This will let new users know where to add and update. So, if i want to add something from Indian TV, where do i add it? 63.216.63.52 (talk) 11:34, 18 April 2009 (UTC) Varun

Osho

I had heard an audio recording of an Osho session which seemed like a public discourse, in which he gives 10 minute lecture on "fuck" and its varied uses in the language to the delight of the audience. Can someone reference that? 63.216.63.52 (talk) 11:36, 18 April 2009 (UTC) Varun

[1]. Funny, but not sure it is an acceptable external link. Jayen466 09:43, 12 May 2009 (UTC)

Joe Biden

For the the politics section, Joe Biden is missing. Recently he was quoted saying "Give me a fucking break" to one of his advisors. It got caught on tape, and was all over the news. If someone is really bored, you sould google and add it, sourced, of course. I would do it, I'm just far too busy and thought it was notable enough to be adressed. Zakariya bin Dana (talk) 10:06, 22 April 2009 (UTC)

Why is him saying this relevant to anything? Why is anyone saying it relevant? It's a very common part of speech. You don't see this kind of thing on the page for Tree/Chair/etc. Youeffoh (talk) 22:13, 11 March 2012 (UTC)

fuck is an agronomy

the word fuck was an agronomy regarding the king of england army and fornication

Do you have a source for that? (Also, I think you mean some other word than "agronomy".) - Jredmond (talk) 18:27, 1 May 2009 (UTC)

Maybe acronym? Those theories are covered in the article, by the way (see the section "False etymologies"). Jafeluv (talk) 08:34, 16 May 2009 (UTC)

ofcourse because that everyone have to use the telephone to keep touch with anotherone.So that ,the telepho —Preceding unsigned comment added by 61.50.134.202 (talk) 14:51, 29 June 2009 (UTC)

History of word FUCK

I the time of 8th Henry, King of England. Due to wars, plague and banishes, etc. Population of country were decreased and King was worried about his country future. After a research, it turns out that there are many people in prisons, because of their crimes such as prostitution, murdering, stealing, etc. King decide to allow these people to fornicate under the control of the king; so that population can be increased. In a decade of time, population was reached the desirable level. This event series called as, Fornication Under Control of the King (a.k.a FUCK)

kgg (talk) 03:44, 20 May 2009

It's in the article; see Fuck#False etymologies. Mindmatrix 01:43, 20 May 2009 (UTC)

The article suggests that there may be something in the idea that population control was practiced in the time of the Black Death, when the opposite was true. Depopulation of Europe due to the bubonic plague was a major problem and one of the things that led to the demise of feudalism - workers were in short supply and had the new ability to move to another manor or demand pay for their work. If anything, kings and lords would be encouraging their serfs to reproduce.

Also, the idea that bubonic plague would contaminate food supplies seems inaccurate. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 62.12.7.116 (talk) 17:31, 1 December 2010 (UTC)

Illustrations

Why are there no illustrations? Cannot add, as article locked.93.96.148.42 (talk) 03:28, 23 May 2009 (UTC)

So what, do you want two people doing the nasty? Pictures are not necessary. KMFDM FAN (talk) 17:24, 23 May 2009 (UTC)

• Wikipedia is not censored: though I dare say that if they use a pornographic image in the U.S. they would be subject to U.S. Federal Law relgating the usage of pornographic images on the internet. Also, it is not a requirement for any article to have images. Wolfpeaceful (talk) 16:40, 25 August 2009 (UTC)

• You are correct, WP is not censored. This does not mean that we need things like illustrations on Fuck. See this page. C4757p (talk) 20:58, 28 February 2010 (UTC)

The term FUCK is an abbreviation of a term used in Law to describe Forceful unlawful Carnal Knowledge and it was used so often is was shortened to the letters of FUCK

Your etymology has no source, but before you go looking for one, you should know the article directly contradicts this in its etymology section, which asserts that the word has a history dating back much further than the relatively recent expressions used in your backronym and probably developed naturally. Intelligentsium 23:32, 10 June 2011 (UTC)

Recent uses?

Bad name for the section, it should be Notable Recent Uses 96.227.219.78 (talk) 19:57, 5 June 2009 (UTC)

Another great use of the word is in the film "The Boondock Saints" by Troy Duffy:

                                    ROCCO
                        What did you do?! Fuckin'... what 
                        the fuckin' fuck! Who the fuck, fucked 
                        this fuckin'? fuck. How did you two 
                        fuckin', fucks?......... FUCK!!!

                                    CONNOR
                        Certainly illustrates the diversity 
                        of the word.

Bhanghai (talk) 21:47, 21 February 2010 (UTC)

And just recently USA VP Joe Biden said it on a open mike when commenting to Barack Obama (BO) ! AdamTheWebMan (talk) 15:21, 24 March 2010 (UTC)

Not Irony

In June 2004, during a heated exchange on the U.S. Senate floor about Halliburton's role in the reconstruction of Iraq, Vice President Dick Cheney told Democratic senator Patrick Leahy, "fuck yourself". Ironically, Cheney's outburst occurred on the same day that the Defense of Decency Act was passed in the Senate.

This is a coincidence, not irony. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.125.177.99 (talk • contribs)

Fixed. Mindmatrix 13:42, 7 June 2009 (UTC)

Are you sure about that. Seems like irony to me. You wouldn't expect the President of the Senate to be publically using explicit language while the Senate is passing a bill that is "defending decency". Seems to fit in with the notion of "tragic irony" (where someone's speech contradicts the situation) or "historical irony" Seems like it's only coincidence if the two incidences are chance events. Definitely irony if Cheney supported the bill. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.179.144.10 (talk) 02:24, 10 June 2010 (UTC)

Wrong link.

• I don't know if you guys noticed, but don't have any article in the portuguese wikipedia called "foder".
  Sphynge (talk) 00:44, 10 June 2009 (UTC)
• pt:Foder has been deleted 7 times over the last 4 years, usually quickly as "garbage" or similar, the last time as "Eliminado em votação" (i.e. AfD): pt:Wikipedia:Páginas para eliminar/Foder is the Portuguese Wikipedia AfD discussion for pt:Foder. Anthony Appleyard (talk) 10:12, 7 July 2009 (UTC)

Claim that Charles Rocket was fired for uttering "fuck" on live TV is speculation at best.

• Charles Rocket was fired along with almost the entire cast on March 10, 1981. That was three weeks and two episodes after having uttered the forbidden profanity. The fact that the rest of the cast members were also fired indicates the firing had a lot more to do with ratings and performance than standards violations. Several Wiki entries should be corrected. 00:00, 7 July 2009 User:GregE625

A couple of surprising omissions of the use of the word

1. A quick look at Who Are You (song) shows I am not the only person on earth to have heard Roger Daltry clearly sing "Who the fuck are you?" in that song. (And, Wikipedia:no original research aside, I can attest that the song was frequently played uncensored on US commercial radio during the 1970s.)
2. I was told that Ashley Montagu, in his The Anatomy of Swearing, reports that an auto mechanic once explained the problem with Montagu's car thusly: "The problem is that the fucking fuck won't fuck." (A friend who read the book claimed this was in it, & I was never able to find a copy to verify this.)

I probably wouldn't have posted these omissions had Gropecunt Lane never been a Featured Article on Wikipedia's front page. -- llywrch (talk) 05:47, 11 July 2009 (UTC)

Rahm Emanuel

Rahm Emanuel's gratuitious usage of the word "fuck" ought to be added to the Politics section, as he is notorious, especially among Americans, for his usage of the word. And there are numerous citable examples. For instance, his recorded phone calls with congressmen, and the sign in his office reading "Secretary of F___ Off".

Next edit:
B/c as myself he wasn't born w/English in his mouth - he learned it, hence he cannot comprehend the offensiveness of this word. The offensiveness can only be properly comprehended when a "childhood block" is formed. I was born/raised in Russia, like Rahm Emmanuel of Jewish descent and yes I can also throw in "F" word w/o fearing it b/c - I have no "mental block" against it. Yet note I do have blocks against Russian curses, I don't like and afraid to use them without checking who is listening - they are vulgar to me. But "F" word is not equally vulgar b/c I wasn't born with English as first language. I've seen my x-coworker, a nice educated & fragile woman, would say things like "I am a little whor*" and complete what she thinks is a joke with "F* words. But to Americans her joke sounded so contradictory to this woman's appearance of a nice old lady (almost 60). Why? She learned English at the age of over 35, no mental blocks agains F word. No parents around slapping your mouth for using it, but she can't curse in Polish without thinking first - Polish is her native language. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.175.53.167 (talk) 08:11, 26 May 2010 (UTC)

Syntax

The following article may be a useful reference for the Wikipedia article. It discusses syntactic issues for the NP the fuck: Language Log: Fucking shut the fuck up. 124.214.131.55 (talk)

"Iconic"

I was always taught that to use the word 'iconic' in the sense in which it's used in the opening sentence of this article is erroneous, though often repeated. Strictly speaking an 'icon' is some kind of deity, but even applying the abstract meaning of it, I still don't think you would say that the word 'Fuck' is iconic, it's just enjoyed by a lot of people.

an offencive term talking about sex. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.179.234.243 (talk) 23:21, 25 October 2009 (UTC)

Plagiarism in lead?

There are portions in the lead (and elsewhere in the article) that appear to be lifted verbatim from that flash video that's been floating around the internet for years. (link) The video could have gotten it's dialogue from this article, but I doubt it. Anyone can see that the video is intended to be comical and quoting it directly (while not being acknowledged as a source, no less, though I doubt it can hardly be described as a reliable source) just messes up the article's tone completely. - SoSaysChappy (talk) 05:34, 11 November 2009 (UTC)

Which portions? I have never watched that flash video and I had not heard of it. Anthony Appleyard (talk) 06:09, 11 November 2009 (UTC)

Well, the second half of the entire lead, basically. And portions of the "Modern usage" section. In my personal assessment of the article, I would say it's in bad shape. It seems mostly focused on giving examples of the many different ways you can use the word. This is also the same thing the flash video does. In my mind, I equate the two, and that just makes me interpret the article as something intended to be amusing, rather than encyclopedic. I dunno, maybe I'm being unfair or irrational. I just wanted to run these thoughts by to see what anybody else might have to say. - SoSaysChappy (talk) 18:17, 11 November 2009 (UTC)

I hope I am doing this correctly. I created an account just to say this. You are correct about the lines in this article being lifted verbatim. When I read this article, I remembered the audio file that I had saved on my computer when I was a kid. I still own that computer in it's original configuration and, after some searching, I found the old tower tucked in my attic. The audio portion of the file you have linked to is at least 17 years old. The sound file is identical to the one on my hard drive with the creation date of December 26, 1992. This was the file I tested my Sound Blaster 16 with. I am sure the source of the audio can be traced back to the late 80's early 90's. I think the key to tracking the date of this file is finding out when a computer could emulate that voice. (about the same time as Dr. Sbaitso, the computer voice/home therapist)Melderd (talk) 04:47, 25 January 2010 (UTC)

Arnold Schwarzenegger

Shouldn't we add something about Governor Schwarzenegger using the word covertly in a letter to the California Assembly. 94.6.32.59 (talk) 17:37, 21 November 2009 (UTC)

First response: If it is sourced properly, add it. If not, don't. Wait a minute. Second response: In addition to properly sourcing evidence, in order to be added some level of notability needs to be established for this article (as opposed to the other article on Schwarzenegger). Imagine if every time someone used the word it were added. I opine the article might get a tad long. (Please note: add comments in chronological order. See logical.) —Aladdin Sane (talk) 17:49, 21 November 2009 (UTC)

Scarface (1932)

Usage in popular culture. In Scarface (1932), Tony's inarticulate "secretary" throws down the telephone, pulls a gun on it, and says, "Ah, shut up you, you fuck off..." Guv2006 (talk) 17:49, 25 November 2009 (UTC)

etymology fuck

It comes from the ancient England, where people neeeded to have permission from the King for having children, so they put outside their houses F.U.C.K., which means: Fornication Under the Consent of the King.

--- This is discussed in the core article, and no, it doesn't. Edwardfortune —Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.97.63.197 (talk) 00:55, 27 January 2010 (UTC)

Why is this page protected?

• I mean, what could anyone put on this page that would be worse than the word "fuck"? There are certain pages that there's no question, you know they're vandalism magnets. For example the Queen of England or the Pope. Ironically, the word "fuck" on those pages would be considered vandalism, but on this page, such a graffito would not appear so much vandalism as perhaps a typographical error. There is nothing you could do to a page about fuck that would be worse than fuck itself. Maybe in Commonwealth countries you could use the word "bloody", but really, is that even a swear word? While it is a bad word in a few places. It's an adjective describing something that has blood on it in most other parts of the world. Fuck is unambiguously a swear word in all Anglophone contexts. I just want to be sure that this is not done out of paranoia. Some Wikipedia editors can be a little anal. With things like deletions, there's guidelines and peer review, but with page protection, it's a form of censorship that anyone with the power can wield with impunity. There is little traceability. Perhaps an edit comment. "I protected this because someone wrote 'poo-poo' there, and it seemed like something that might happen again someday". I mean, that's not scientific. That's not consensus. Who do you think you are to make those kinds of decisions, shutting out multiple billions of other human beings because you thought it seemed appropriate? --72.225.47.167 (talk) 03:26, 28 November 2009 (UTC)
• Wikipedia is not censored. That said, there is a vast difference between an encyclopaedic, professionally worded sentence such as "The word has probable cognates in other Germanic languages, such as German ficken (to fuck)..." and very unencyclopaedic, gratuitous use of the word, as seen in this bit of vandalism. Your argument is fallacious at multiple levels: the protection does not "[shut] out multiple billions of other human beings..."; only those who do not have an account. Furthermore, your statement "There is nothing you could do to a page about fuck that would be worse than fuck itself" is untrue: the word "fuck", when used informatively as in the example provided, is not at all offensive. Intelligentsium 03:44, 28 November 2009 (UTC)
• It's not as easy as "getting an account", you do have to make quite a few edits with it first before earning the privilege to edit semi-protected pages, which can be difficult for those who just want to make a few contributions to these types of articles, thus there are lots of people in this world who "do not have an account" on Wikipedia and are thus shut out from editing "Fuck". 71.113.46.74 (talk) 03:58, 5 January 2010 (UTC)
• Some pages get so much vandalism by anonymous users that regrettably they must be semiprotected. That happened with page Duck, and for a long time nearly all of its edits were vandalisms and reverts to repair vandalism. Anthony Appleyard (talk) 06:29, 5 January 2010 (UTC)

Irish MP

• Time to add a reference to an Irish mp using 'fuck you' in parliament? 02:08, 13 December 2009 User:79.97.151.232

George Carlin tense change

time to change the tense of the verb, "is" to the past tense, "was" for George Carlin in the following paragraph under the heading, "Censorship".

Many stand-up comedians who perform for adult audiences make liberal use of the word fuck. While George Carlin's use of the word is an important part of his stage persona, other comedians (such as Andrew Dice Clay) have been accused of substituting vulgarity and offensiveness for genuine creativity through overuse of the word. Billy Connolly and Lenny Bruce were pioneers of the use of the word in their shows for general audiences.

I weighed the evidence in your argument, and I agree. The reference is to a stage persona that no longer exists. Note that this can get trickier than appears at first: Hamlet still is a play by Shakespeare, for example. In this case, the persona is endogenous to the person, a now non-existent person: The persona goes away when the person does, unlike a play by a now non-existent person. —Aladdin Sane (talk) 17:06, 17 December 2009 (UTC)

Use in politics

Surely the amount of quotes here is overkill. Yes, it's unusual and therefore arguably notable when a politician drops the word in a public forum. But some of these cites are from conversations behind closed doors that have subsequently leaked to the press. Why are they notable? Digestible (talk) 06:14, 12 January 2010 (UTC)

Fuck is a sound word

• Many words in the English language are merely phonetic interpretations of that word. Say bottle five times rapidly and you will get the idea. Same for slap, wack, ski, skate, rip, crush, slide etc. During sexual intercourse the slapping sound made by two pairs of thighs repeatedly coming into contact make a clear fuck fuck fuck sound. 17:49, 13 January 2010 User:Cinnaron
• "Ski" is not onomatopoeia but comes from Old Norse skið and has the same origin as English "skid". Anthony Appleyard (talk) 23:05, 13 January 2010 (UTC)
• Besides, the sound make when you fuck can vary and is irrelevant. --PorgeHR (talk) 01:16, 30 January 2010 (UTC)
• Perhaps the sound varies but I am sure that "fuck" is not sexual onomatopoeia. Staying with basic pronunciation only, my own is one of the north-western English "fook" sounds, and there are many more including the south-eastern English "fack" and f*ck ( * is the second 'o' in "common"), as well as the Irish "feck". I don't believe that you can place people geographically by the sounds they make when fucking. It's just another word that has power because of the way it's uttered. "Fuck" can be whispered softly and be seductive, but it can also have an emphatic sound power that is shared by such interjections as "Bugger", "Shit" and even more so "Shite", but not "Gosh" or "Curses". --JH49S (talk) 10:42, 4 March 2010 (UTC)
• In Ireland we use the words "feck" and "fuck" seperately, "feck" having somewhat less force. And, in Ireland at least, "shite" is a LESS "emphatically powerful" word than "shit".

that may be true in your experience, but I'd say "shite" is more emphatically powerful than "shit", not only because the longer 'i' vowel sound carries more emphasis than the short 'i'. At least, that's my experience, and not only with compounds such as "gobshite" etc.68.18.196.168 (talk) 18:22, 15 February 2011 (UTC)

I disagree, the long i sound robs the T of some of its force.

"What the fuck" and "WTF"

A discussion at Talk:W.T.F. (the talk page for the South Park episode) involves discussion about redirects, moves, the disamb page WTF, and various related pages might be of some interest. Thanks. Ruodyssey (talk) 06:33, 18 January 2010 (UTC)

Word Choice in the 2nd Paragraph

"it is one of the only words in the English language which"

I think this sentence does not make sense. It should either be "it is the only word" or "it is one of the few words..." —Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.188.14.129 (talk) 07:48, 26 January 2010 (UTC)

• Makes sense to me... --PorgeHR (talk) 01:17, 30 January 2010 (UTC)

• The sentence is too vague and uncertain. "Only" implies that there is a known number. I'm certain there are several. But how many are there?

I suspect there's only one other word: 'bloody' as in 'out-bloody-rageous'.

So a revision might read "...it is one of only two words (the other is 'bloody') in the English language which are applied in the middle of a word to strengthen its meaning (e.g. "Am I sexy? Absofuckinglutely!"). There should be a link to http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bloody, too.

That will have to be edited by somebody else. For me, this article is at present protected from my edits. It's probably out-bloody-rageous, but I may be wrong and there be three or more words. --SonOfAJim (talk) 00:30, 25 February 2010 (UTC)

• You can also do it win derivatives of fuck, like un-frigging-believable. Personally I can't, but many people can. Sabrebattletank (talk) 06:12, 25 February 2010 (UTC)

Saying that it's any number in any number of words that people use a certain way is ridiculous. I, myself, sometimes say "fan-flapping-tastic" instead of "fan-fucking-tastic." Really, you could use ANY word for that purpose.RufioUniverse (talk) 00:52, 26 July 2011 (UTC)

Parts of speech

I've seen this claimed all over the internet, but "fuck" most definitely can't be used as nearly every part of speech. It's a noun, a verb, and an interjection. That's it.

No one says "this math problem is fuck difficult!" -- they say it's "fucking difficult". Just like any other verb, it has a participle in -ing.

And a pronoun? Yes, I know you can use it to refer to people, but that just makes it a regular old noun. Like "man" or "woman". You can tell by the use of a determiner ("She's a good fuck.").

"Fuck the fucking fuckers": I hardly see why that sentence is noteworthy. It only uses the verb meaning and its morphological derivatives! I can do that with any transitive verb: "eat the eating eaters", "punish the punishing punishers", etc.

Down under "Modern usage", there's a different list: "verb, adverb, adjective, command, conjunction, exclamatory, noun and pronoun". Command? Um, you mean the imperative mood of English? Conjunction? Hardly! Again -- verb, noun, interjection, that's it.

--76.14.67.134 (talk) 22:28, 29 January 2010 (UTC)

• I agree with it not being a conjunction but it can be a command, since a command is a synonym for an imperative. --PorgeHR (talk) 01:19, 30 January 2010 (UTC)
  • Of course. My point is that the imperative is something you can put any verb into, so this isn't really notable. Also, "command" doesn't belong in a list of parts of speech; it's still a verb. --76.14.67.134 (talk) 06:54, 30 January 2010 (UTC)

The reason is that the second paragraph is essentially PLAGIARIZED from this thing that's been floating around the internet for years: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yhh7Iu76yUA —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.180.26.55 (talk) 05:01, 11 March 2010 (UTC)

why hasn't this paragraph been removed yet? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Bathysphere (talk • contribs) 04:30, 9 June 2010 (UTC)

I was wondering if/where another example might be added into this section: "Fuckin' A!" Clearly an interjection and, in my experience, usually denoting a positive, emphatic agreement with something/one... but what does the "A" stand for? 76.10.155.175 (talk) 03:04, 14 December 2010 (UTC)MollyM

In 2009, in Waterloo Station in London, a mechanic was heard to say to his boss "The fucking fucker's fucking fucked!" Kiltpin (talk) 14:00, 30 April 2011 (UTC)

Looks like it's improving. But "verb, adverb, adjective, command, interjection, noun"? That's an incoherent and inaccurate list. "Fuck" by itself isn't an adjective or adverb -- but it could become one if you add a suffix, just like any verb. And "command" isn't a part of speech at all, it's a mood. Walteroni (talk) 22:20, 11 July 2011 (UTC)

Derivation from Latin of the word Fuck.

An Op Ed letter was published in the Wall St. Journal, Monday, July 12, 1999 concerning the Origins of (deleted). The letter was from Ron Goodman, English Department, Quincy College.

Fuck and its possible Latin roots:

Originally from the Latin faceo, "to make, to do." Conjugate it slightly--faceo, facere, feci, factus. Then go through early High German umlaut and you get from factus to fuctus. And therein might be the original root of the word. Certainly the original meaning of "to make, to do" does fit with the more recent (1500s) use of the word until it came down to its present usage.

21:18, 2 February 2010 User:Rongoodman7

That's absolutely absurd. Early High German umlaut would reduce factus to *fectus not *fuctus. See Germanic umlaut#I-mutation in Old High German. And German never had *fucken but rather ficken; additionally, it assumes English borrowed it from German. 90.212.180.42 (talk) 08:59, 7 March 2010 (UTC)

Modern usage in rap music?

• Rap music being singled out as the only genre that uses the word "fuck" is extremely inaccurate, as the word is used in nearly every genre that incorporates vocals. 05:59, 21 February 2010 User:Mkb401

Steinbeck, Cannery Row

Although there's a mention of The Naked and the Dead, there's not a word about John Steinbeck's "Cannery Row". Like others of his contemporaries, he had to use "fug" instead of "fuck" before the novel could be published.

'Cannery Row' includes two passages: "Doc, that's a fuggin' lie!" and "Go take a flying fug at the moon". If The Naked and the Dead is worth a mention, I'm certain we should include Cannery Row, because it was published in 1945, three years before Mailer's novel. And it would give Steinbeck a shout out for being a Nobel prizewinner as well as having at least two of his novels banned in the US and other places (Of Mice and Men was banned as recently as 2002; attempts to ban it persist to this day).SonOfAJim (talk) 07:09, 14 March 2010 (UTC)

More "fuck" in Music

1: Country Joe McDonald (of Country Joe and The Fish) used to work with the audience at concerts on 'The Fish Cheer', traditionally to spell out the word "fish". However, at the Woodstock Festival in 1969, McDonald called out "give me an F" and, after the audience's response, followed with the letters "U", "C" and "K" in turn before asking them "What's that spell" several times (and, of course, getting a loud and vibrant response each time). This probably still stands as a record for the most people in one place simultaneously shouting "Fuck!" several times (as many as 500,000 attended the festival, but more likely around 300,000 participated in the cheer). In that revised format, "The Fish Cheer" appeared on the Woodstock album and became one of the noted parts of the movie of the festival.

2: Pearls Before Swine's 2004 album, Wizard of Is, includes a song, "Miss Morse". The chorus is morse code (dididahdit dididah dahdidahdit dahdidah) for the word "fuck" SonOfAJim (talk) 07:56, 14 March 2010 (UTC)

3: Mike Oldfield's album, Amarok, was his final contractual album for Virgin Records. It includes pink noise represented as morse code, which when translated is "fuck off RB", and was aimed directly at Richard Branson who was Virgin Records' chief at the time. That's also mentioned in Amarok (album). 68.18.196.168 (talk) 18:16, 15 February 2011 (UTC)

Simple Latin Etimology is Way more likely

In fact the Latin verb "figere" (to stick into, to attach, and later Vulgar for to fuck) it simply turned into the French verb "ficher" (to do, give, put, and to fuck), and into German "ficken" (to fuck), and into Italian "ficcare" (to stick into, to pierce, to fuck); Dutch "fokken" (to breed, to strike, to beget); dialectal Norwegian "fukka" (to copulate), and dialectal Swedish "fokka" (to strike, to copulate) and "fock" (penis); etc. etc. It just can't be easier. Please give your opinions. Vortex9000 (talk) 00:28, 18 May 2010 (UTC)

Sorry, but we try to refrain from our own opinions here. Only sourced ones could have any effect on the article. Please see WP:TALK. Cheers, Til Eulenspiegel (talk) 00:40, 18 May 2010 (UTC)

Portuguese

Under "Political Uses", should you really include the Brazilian president's use of a Portuguese word that means "fuck"? It's not technically the same thing.

So if someone says that he wants to kill his wife in a certain language, it can be translated to mean anything other than "he wants to kill his wife?"RufioUniverse (talk) 00:56, 26 July 2011 (UTC)

Severity different from country to country?

It seems much less offensive in Britain and Scotland especially. Shouldn't this be noted? 188.221.161.189 (talk) 14:41, 18 June 2010 (UTC)

Current Usage

JPW Mallalieu's book "Very Ordinary Seaman" uses the word "flick" routinely to describe the word in seamen's everyday language. In the typeface used this looks very like "fuck" which it is clearly intended to convey. The late Eric Newby got around the censor in a different way in his story of working on a Swedish tall ship "The Last Grain Race" when he stated in a footnote that "fokken" was the Swedish word for a sail.

A rule when inserting "fucking" inside words

• I read in a book about slang, a rule when inserting "fucking" inside words: the word "absolutely" scans metrically as two trochees: absolutely. "Fucking" scans as one trochee. And, when infixing, the result is always "absofuckinglutely", keeping the scansion, never *"abfuckingsolutely" or *"absolutefuckingly", which do not keep the scansion. Anthony Appleyard (talk) 21:46, 22 August 2010 (UTC)

The Most Famous Word on Earth: Fuck

Everybodies Favorite Word... --Necromorph-X (talk) 16:44, 14 September 2010 (UTC)

Temporary Issue

The "Etymology" chapter is rather scarce for such a common word. It appears obvious that such a common word was extensively researched and here's a bit of proof: Number of hits from a search of keywords +fuck+etymology in Google "Approximately 1.050.000 rezults (0,15 seconds)" Thus, I would respectfully ask Wikipedia enthusiasts to further their knowledge of this happy word's origins and enrich the "Etymology" chapter. Most interesting would be the etymological path that this word has undertaken. Thank you.

10:45, 27 September 2010 (UTC)

Felix. a.k.a BlackTomcat

work on this page hard enough for it to become a featured article

that would be kind of funny —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.231.28.185 (talk) 03:39, 28 September 2010 (UTC)

Don't chu meen fucking fawnny? BOOYAH, score one for dee Cesarmeister! --Cesar Millan (talk to dogs) 13:38, 21 December 2012 (AYB)

Grammatical Mistake

When the article first mentions Shakespeare's use of the word, it uses a semicolon where there should be a comma. "While Shakespeare never used the term explicitly; he hinted at it in comic scenes in a few plays." The first clause is a fragment. 10:02 AM, October 17, 2010. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 173.16.74.238 (talk) 15:03, 17 October 2010 (UTC)

Alternatives?

The header “alternatives” is rather ridiculous. Alternatives would be “shit”, “crap”,… for the exclamation and “drill”, “bone”, etc. for sexual intercourse. “F***”, “fricking”, and so on, are rather censorings, bowdlerizations or expurgations. ‒Flying sheep (talk) 01:44, 17 November 2010 (UTC) PS: I hate dissembling moralizers pretending their ridiculous behavior was normal.

Fugger and "fuckerey"

I wonder whether the German term "fuckerey," apparently first used in the early 16th century in reference to Jakob Fugger's extreme profiteering and allegedly resultant mass impoverishment (e.g in Tyrol), might be an explanatory addendum or merely is coincidental? Earlier uses are possible, especially since the Fugger family's latinzed version is "Fucker" (e.g., Fucker advenit dedit XLIII denarios dignus - Tax Code, Augsburg, 1367) and given their Europe-wide reach beginning in the mid to late 14th century (Source: Damals, 7, July 2004, pp. 15-23 and pp. 25-29)

Earliest Recording (Song) to use the word "Fuck"

• Note: This is my first attempt to contribute to Wikipedia, so if I've done anything wrong in how I've presented this information, I hope someone with a stronger grasp for formatting will take it from here. Thanks

Lucille Bogan (under the name, Bessie Jackson) recorded two versions of "Shave 'Em Dry" in 1935. The second contains much raunchier lyrics that were intended for late night club acts, and uses the word "Fuck" several times. This song predates the 1938 song, "Ol' Man Mose" and the section in the article detailing early music recordings should be updated to reflect this chronology. Bogan's song also blatantly uses the word "Fuck" while the 1938 song blurs it in the the word "bucket."

Here are the lyrics.

I got nipples on my titties big as the end of my thumb,
I got somethin' 'tween my legs 'll make a dead man come,
Oooh daddy-baby, won't you shave 'em dry, oooh!
Won't you grind me baby, grind me till I cry.

Say I fucked all night and all the night before, baby,
And I feel just like I want to fuck some more,
Ooh, babe, goddamn daddy, grind me honey, shave 'em dry,
And when you hear me yowl baby, want you to shave 'em dry.

I got nipples on my titties big as the end of my thumb,
And daddy you can have 'em any time you want and you can make 'em come.
Oooh daddy, shave 'em dry,
And I can give you some baby, swear it'll make you cry.

I will turn back my mattress and let you oil my springs,
I want you to grind me daddy till the bells do ring,
Ooh daddy, want you to shave 'em dry.
Oh pray God daddy, shave 'em baby, won't you try?

Now fuckin's one thing that'll take me to Hell,
I'll be fuckin' in the studio just to fuck that to leather,
Oooh, daddy, daddy shave 'em dry,
I would fuck you baby, honey I would make you cry.

Now your nuts hangs down like a damn bell-clapper,
And your stick stands up like a steeple,
Your goddamn asshole's open like a church door,
And the crabs walks in like the people,
Oooh baby, won't you shave 'em dry. ...

A big sow gets fat from eatin' corn,
And the pig gets fat from suckin',
Reason this whore got like, I am,
Great God I got fat from fuckin',
Whee ... tell 'em about me! Fuck it!

My back is made of whalebone and my cock is made of brass,
And my fuckin's made for workin' men, two dollars round to fit my ass,
Oooh daddy, shave 'em dry.

The full recording can be found here: "Shave 'Em Dry" Lucille Bogan, 1935

The song also appears along with the "clean" version on the album, "Raunchy Business" released by Sony in 1991 on CD. Liner Notes from this album, written by Paul Oliver, speculate that this recording was a familiar standard performed by many different acts. The recording itself was an "unissued test pressing, CBS (M) 63288." Again according to Paul Oliver, as can be read here: Paul Oliver from Screening The Blues: Aspects Of The Blues Tradition (Da Capo Press, 1968)

John le Fucker

The article says: "A man's name, "John le Fucker", is said to be reported from AD 1278, but the report is doubtful" and "The "John le Fucker" reference first appears in Carl Buck's 1949 Indo-European dictionary. Buck does not supply a citation as to where he found the name. No one has subsequently found the manuscript in which it is alleged to have appeared."

This is incorrect. The document is an administrative record of 26 April 1278. An abstract of its contents is given in Calendar of the Close rolls preserved in the Public record office. Edward I, AD 1272-1279, London 1900, p. 451: "John le Fucker of Tythinge, imprisoned at Peterborough for the death of Walter de Leyghton and William de Leyghton, wherewith he is charged, has letters to the sheriff of Northampton to bail him". 85.130.55.163 (talk) 23:57, 8 February 2011 (UTC)

Overall comment Where are the pretty pictures? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 65.60.144.167 (talk) 20:37, 2 March 2011 (UTC)

Etymology: meaning of the Dutch word 'Fokken'

The article states the Dutch verb Fokken may also mean 'to strike'. However, this is not correct, see e.g. the Dutch dictionary: [2] —Preceding unsigned comment added by 80.60.189.221 (talk) 23:02, 10 March 2011 (UTC)

Edit about syllables - I'm unconfirmed

I can't make this change because I have a new account and the article's semi-protected, but in the "Modern Usage" section it says that the k sound occurs in the 3rd syllable of "motherfucker". Technically, it's in the 4th syllable. Koojealion (talk) 16:29, 26 March 2011 (UTC)

The Golf Specialist

In the 1930 movie The Golf Specialist. When the wife of the detective (Shirley Grey) approaches a group of people and says "I'm going to join your party!" after being rejected by the desk clerk. A man says "Oh yeah?" and the group leaves. Then Shirley stands there alone and clearly mutters "Well, fuck you!" under her breath. Would this count as the earliest (mainstream) use of the f-word in American cinema? PolarBearCatBear (talk) 01:40, 5 April 2011 (UTC)

We would need a source making that claim to include it in the article --Guerillero | My Talk | Review Me 01:53, 5 April 2011 (UTC)

I wonder where I can get a citation on such a matter? :-) By the way, you can watch the movie here if you want to see what I'm talking about. PolarBearCatBear (talk) 13:12, 5 April 2011 (UTC)

Command?

When is the word "fuck" used as a command? The only time I've ever seen the word "fuck" in an imperative sentence is "Fuck you!", which, given its target, is somewhat illogical as a command. I can see it as the starting call for a rather unusual race... Serendi^podous 19:53, 8 April 2011 (UTC)

Oh wait. "Go fuck yourself". I forgot. Never mind. Serendi^podous 19:58, 8 April 2011 (UTC)

A link under "Further Reading" doesn't work.

This article is locked, or I would have corrected this myself.

Under the "Further Reading" headline, there's a broken link to a pdf of Andrea Hargrave's article "Delete Expletives?"

I found a link that works: http://www.audiencemap.com/whitepapers/delete_expletives.pdf

Will somebody please fix this? Also, why is this page locked? It just makes it difficult for users to make quick fixes like this.

Thanks, Boldmagicpizza — Preceding unsigned comment added by Boldmagicpizza (talk • contribs) 04:09, 28 April 2011 (UTC)

It has to be locked cos, unfortunately, there are many morons vandalizing articles, and, as you may imagine, an article refered to the word fuck is likely to be their victim every now and then. Hope they fix the link.

190.178.209.107 (talk) 15:10, 10 May 2011 (UTC)

Origin of the word Fuck

the term originates in English Law that was used in cases involving sexual acts that were described a forceful unlawful carnal knowledge. so prevalent was the reference that it was shortened to the acronym FUCK. PJM

This is a common misnoma^ — Preceding unsigned comment added by 109.144.228.216 (talk) 13:36, 21 June 2011 (UTC)

Why so much about "Catcher in the Rye"?

There is an entire paragraph devoted to the use of the word "fuck" in "The Catcher in the Rye" and it's listed as an early usage, but "Catcher" was published in 1951, twenty-three years after the publication of "Lady Chatterly's Lover". It was not that unusual to be seen in print at that time, I remember a novel I read that was written in the 1940s about war profiteers in Pittsburgh (I cannot recall the title but it was about a WWII veteran who's girlfriend was raped by an ombudsman) that used the word repeatedly. 14:08, 28 June 2011 User:69.155.218.100

Removed cruft

" and can logically be used as virtually any word in a sentence (e.g., "Fuck the fucking fuckers"). Moreover, it is one of the few words in the English language that can be applied as an infix (e.g., "Unfuckingbelievable!"; "Bullfuckingshit!")"

First part applies to many words, "Mouse the mousing mousers" "Scam the scamming scammers" second applies to most expletives "Archi-bloody-techts" - although in either case a lax interpretation of the phrase "the English language" is required. Rich Farmbrough, 19:28, 3 July 2011 (UTC).

Semicolon

"Non-English-speaking cultures tend to recognize the word's vulgarity, however, it is generally not censored as frequently as in English-speaking cultures." should be "Non-English-speaking cultures tend to recognize the word's vulgarity; however, it is generally not censored as frequently as in English-speaking cultures." Would like to change it but you guys protected the page.--201.81.83.65 (talk) 00:19, 10 July 2011 (UTC)

Presence of women?

• "The highly profane term remains a taboo word to many people in English-speaking countries, while others feel the word remains inappropriate in social etiquette when used by a male in the presence of women." — What? Can this be substantiated? I've never observed such antiquated behaviour. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Chrisdone (talk • contribs) 22:16, 10 July 2011 (UTC)
• I have heard women saying "fuck" or "fucking" when annoyed, plenty of times. Anthony Appleyard (talk) 05:06, 11 July 2011 (UTC)

Google Ngram illustration

The Google Ngram illustration operates on Google's mistaking of the long s as an f, so it inaccurately shows an overuse of "fuck" when it should be showing "suck" and even "such." The illustration should be removed.

Batinse (talk) 04:46, 16 September 2011 (UTC)Batinse

I think you're right. Til Eulenspiegel (talk) 13:40, 16 September 2011 (UTC)

So, can someone make the change? It's very easy to see how the graph is misleading. Batinse (talk) 06:01, 22 September 2011 (UTC)Batinse

"Generally"?

Per the first sentence, under what circumstances would the word "fuck" not be considered vulgar? Joefromrandb (talk) 12:07, 11 January 2012 (UTC)

I have removed the word "generally". Please let me know if I've overlooked something. Joefromrandb (talk) 21:26, 11 January 2012 (UTC)

Regarding section on Simplified Chinese

"...machine translation of the Simplified Chinese character 干 (干) or Traditional Chinese character 幹 (幹) which can also mean "dry" and "do"..."

the Simplified Chinese character 干 replaces 3 Traditional Chinese characters, 干 itself meaning a pole, 幹 which mean to do or to work, and 乾 which means dried (alternatively this last character can also be pronounced Qian, which is a Taoist stem word meaning sky). 幹 does not ever mean dry.

1.36.48.81 (talk) 20:54, 13 January 2012 (UTC)moxfactor

Suggestion to delete "Fuck Emo" photo at start of article

The photograph with the "Fuck Emo" graffiti has the effect of unfairly discriminating against and targeting emo subculture. I find this no more acceptable than a photo saying "Fuck Niggers" or "Fuck Jews" or "Fuck the Police" and so on. I move that this photo be deleted and replaced with a photograph that has more neutral content. Alialiac (talk) 04:51, 20 January 2012 (UTC)

 Done The image has been removed. --Il223334234 (talk) 10:44, 21 January 2012 (UTC)

I disagree there. A picture stating "Fuck Emo" or "Fuck the Police" or anything else in no way implies that Wikipedia endorses that statement. If the Wikipedia logo had "Fuck Emo" in the center of it, that argument would hold water. I don't mind the photo being removed, as I don't think a photo of the word "fuck" is necessary for the reader to understand the subject of this article. I do, however, object to the grounds on which it was removed. Joefromrandb (talk) 21:45, 23 January 2012 (UTC)

More Etymology

I have been deciphering a 'blackletter'-typeset book from 1486 and using N. Bailey's An Universal Etymological ENGLISH DICTIONARY (the 21st edition -- many other editions are available on the internet; I note the fourth edition [VOL. II.?] from MDCCLVI does not have 'fuck' nor does the five-and-twentieth edition from 1790) as a guide for some of the words I don't know (e.g., 'clepit'). On a whim, I looked up 'fuck'.

The book I'm working with is here: http://books.google.com/ebooks/reader?id=CFBGAAAAYAAJ&printsec=frontcover&output=reader&pg=GBS.PT373 Use the slider on the bottom to get to page 340.

A slightly more readable (better scanned?) copy of this definition in the 20th edition 1773 is on page 332 at this URL: http://books.google.com/ebooks/reader?id=q05GAAAAYAAJ&printsec=frontcover&output=reader&pg=GBS.RA2-PT258 Use the slider at the bottom of the page to get to page 332.

the gist is: to FUCK [foutre, F. foutere, Ital. futico, L. of xxxx, Gr. to plant ; but Dr. Th H. derives it from Fuycke, Belg. to thrust or knock; others from Fuchsen, Teut. to beget] Faeminam subagitare.

Interesting that the definition is given in latin.

I am incompetent to add this to the Wiki page and also properly cite the references. I hope it is of benefit to someone who can do that.

scarface 1983 film

come on people it's not here and this film uses the word fuck more times than any UK film ever just take a look at it— Preceding unsigned comment added by 181.14.122.108 (talk • contribs) 06:17, 23 February 2012 (UTC)

Reliable sources discussing Scarface mention this, so it belongs in Scarface. Reliable sources discussing "fuck" do not mention it, so it does not belong in Fuck. - SummerPhD (talk) 02:37, 24 February 2012 (UTC)

Why is the word defined primarily by its vulgarity?

I don't like how the first sentence in this article basically sums it up as being "vulgar". This makes it look more like a conservative opinion piece than an encyclopedic article. What about:

"Fuck" is an English word that, in its most literal meaning, refers to the act of sexual intercourse. It is generally considered vulgar, and may be used as an intensive or to negatively characterize anything that can be dismissed, disdained, defiled, or destroyed.

Agree.

"Fuck" is not considered "vulgar" by all people or in all contexts, only by some people in some contexts. Furthermore, it is a very long-established, standard English word. To say that it is "vulgar" reflects only the prejudice of some readers and such a POV does not belong in an encyclopaedia entry.