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I have nominated List of 1936 Winter Olympics medal winners for featured list removal here. Please join the discussion on whether this article meets the featured list criteria. Articles are typically reviewed for two weeks; editors may declare to "Keep" or "Delist" the article's featured status. The instructions for the review process are here.— Preceding unsigned comment added by JeepdaySock (talk • contribs) 16:09, 29 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Bot request

I have discovered source materials for a large number of Olympic articles, that were formerly housed at http://www.aafla.com have been moved to the new domain http://www.la84foundation.org. From what I can determine, they have not changed the locations of the reports, so the rest of the link should remain correct. You can see the change I made in this edit. So the bot needs to wholesale change domain names only. I don't know how to get approval for such a bot nor whom to contact to have the work done.

WP:OR speaking indirectly with a librarian associated with the organization (now the LA 84 Foundation, the remains of the 1984 LAOOC), they underwent a formal name change and are deliberately trying to expunge the previous name. Inside the office, there is a fine for mentioning the previous name. Trackinfo (talk) 22:14, 25 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]

That can be made with AutoWikiBrowser. I'll see if I can make those changes during the next weekend. Parutakupiu (talk) 22:25, 25 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Done the first thousand of these, though there are likely more. Courcelles 01:08, 26 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Found a few more hundred, fixed, and really not sure there's much left. Courcelles 04:22, 26 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]
I've seen your work on many pages I watch. Good job. It looks like you are doing this semi-manually. I thought a bot would be more appropriate for such repetitive edits. Thanks for the hard work. Trackinfo (talk) 06:39, 26 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Demonstration games and notability

Is a person who has participated in a demonstration game at a summer Olympics automatically notable per WP:NOLYMPICS? The guideline doesn't mention demonstration games, but it also doesn't exclude them. Thanks.--Bbb23 (talk) 13:17, 26 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Netball

Help is needed on Netball and the Olympic Movement article. The article has been locked due to a serious content dispute. Many of the sources are not reliable and are being misinterpreted or misapplied. The article in its present form has serious POV problems. Please read the talk page and join in the efforts to fix it. Thank you. 68.188.61.6 (talk) 13:24, 27 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Olympic WikiCup?

Would anyone be interested in setting up and / or participating in an Olympic/Paralympic WikiCup? Modeled kind of after the Bacon Wiki Cup? Have it run from say a week before the opening ceremony for the Olympics and a week after the Paralympics? I can probably offer two prizes: Some book about the Olympics, a print of an Olympic related commons image, and a Pediapress book.

Points for the following things about the Olympics/Paralympics:


Category Points
Fully reliably source an article of 100+ words (partially sourced) 2
Adding a relevant picture to an article without one 2
Adding a complete infobox for articles with out them 2
Fully reliably source an article of 500+ words (partially sourced) 5
Fully reliably source an article of 100+ words (completely unsourced) 5
Comprehensive (no quick pass/fail) GA review 5
Create a spoken word version of an article 25+ words 5
Fully reliably source an article of 1,000+ words (partially sourced) 10
Fully reliably source an article of 500+ words (completely unsourced) 10
Create a spoken word version of an article 100+ words 10
Fully reliably source an article of 1,000+ words (completely unsourced) 20
Create a spoken word version of an article 500+ words 20
Create/improve an article for DYK 25
Publish a Wikinews article 25
Get an image or other media to featured on English Wikipedia or Commons 25
Create a spoken word version of an article 1,000+ words 30
Substantially contribute to, nominate, and follow through an article for GA 50
Substantially contribute to, nominate, and follow through an article for FL 50

This way, lots of way for people to participate across different projects. :) --LauraHale (talk) 06:36, 28 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]

A nice idea but I wonder if during the Games is the best time to implement it? From previous experience most of the edits that I end up making during the Games tend to be relatively small updates. Adding sources tends to be limited to referencing results or the multitude of stub type articles that are created, everything moves too fast to focus much on tasks like getting pages to GA or making spoken word versions until things have died down a few weeks after the Games. Perhaps some kind of project wide effort to have an Olypic DYK on the front page at all times during the Games would be good and have the WikiCup after the Paralympics are finished to encourage clean-up and improvement of all the 2012 pages that will contain little sourcing or prose and a lot of red-linked athlete names? - Basement12 (T.C) 11:11, 1 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Two Linn Farrishes

One competed in Rugby in 1924, the other was a spy. Are they actually the same person? Please comment at Talk:Linn Farrish D O N D E groovily Talk to me 03:43, 30 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Lead medal templates

I have made a proposition to harmonise most of the templates in Category:Medal infobox templates. mPlease contribute to the discussion here. SFB 16:26, 30 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Independent Olympic Participants at the 2012 Summer Olympics

Are they actually called this officially and have they been assigned IOP as their IOC country code? IOP has not been used since 1992 and was used for an existing nation being sanctioned. IOA was used more recently (2000) for a newly independent nation that had not yet formed an NOC. IOC has apparently been used for Kuwait at Asian games. If no source can be found for what they are called and which country code they have been assigned, I think they should be referred to as "Netherlands Antillean athletes at the 2012 Summer Olympics", with no country code given, as that it what we know as of today. 88.88.163.201 (talk) 15:59, 2 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Netherlands Antilles (as IOP or similar) is currently not available in the countries section of the official website. The athletes section hasn't really started yet, so info on the two athletes can't be found there. We will know the correct country code eventually, but the information in the article, and indeed the current article title, may be incorrect. 88.88.163.201 (talk) 19:19, 3 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Olympic sports

Olympic sports has recently undergone a Good Article Reassessment and been delisted. This article should be considered one of the project's flagship pages so any help to get it back up to GA status would be appreciated - Basement12 (T.C) 16:03, 2 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Olympic Games

Olympic Games is a FA that has not been presented on the main page. I think it should be on July 27, for reasons that should be obvious for members of this project. This can be discussed and voted on at Wikipedia:Today's featured article/requests. Can someone check so it is in extra good shape for the event? --Ettrig (talk) 12:53, 3 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]

It isn't in good shape. I've tagged all the places needing citations as the text is not cited. (This list is pretty extensive.) The sourcing isn't consistently formatted, with multiple styles used in the article. this and this and this and this is broken. New sources or archived versions or offline sources need to be found for that. There was a lot of stuff promoted from 2007 to 2010 that hasn't been maintained on the GAN and FAC level. :( --LauraHale (talk) 13:25, 3 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]
I am sorry to hear this. Does it mean Olympic Games should go to WP:FAR? --Ettrig (talk) 18:58, 3 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]

John Creyghton Ainsworth-Davis

FreeBMD record the birth of 'Davis, John Creyghton A' [not Davies] for births registered in Aberystwyth in June 1895. The copy of the original register gives the spelling of the surname as Davis, not Davies.

Births Jun 1895

Surname First name(s) District Vol Page

Davis John Creyghton A Aberystwith 11b 55 — Preceding unsigned comment added by 90.206.69.221 (talk) 11:52, 4 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]

I have copied the above comment to Talk:John Ainsworth-Davies. I suggest we continue the discussion there, in anticipation of a possible page move. There are other references that support the "Davis" spelling. – Wdchk (talk) 17:18, 4 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]

"Olympic Games" (grammatical number)

Comments are welcome at Wikipedia talk:Manual of Style#"Olympic Games" (grammatical number) (version of 21:39, 4 July 2012).
—Wavelength (talk) 02:46, 6 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Olympics and DYK

There is a special holding area for DYK hooks that have been approved and are about the Olympics. These will run during the two weeks of the Olympics. At the moment, most of the DYKs there are about people from the Australia, with a few people from the USA and the Great Britain. It would be great to see more countries represented in DYK-land. :) Support your country. Improve articles related to your country's Olympic movement ahead of the Games. ;) --LauraHale (talk) 11:12, 6 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Here's the link - Basement12 (T.C) 11:32, 6 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Organization within each sport in nations at the 2012 Olympics articles

I've noticed within the past few days an editor has made massive changes to the formatting within the nations at the 2012 Olympics articles. In the sections for Athletics (track and field), the results were previously ordered by event. So all the runners in 100m for the country would be in consecutive columns, then all the runners in the 200m, and so on. The editor has changed it so the athletes are listed alphabetically regardless of events. So the 100m runners may be an opposite ends of the table depending on where their last names falls in the alphabet. I think these changes ought to be reversed for procedural and substantive reasons. Procedurally, such a massive formatting overhaul should go through discussion and consensus. I don't see any of that. If that has occurred, can some please direct me to the Talk page where it occurred. It appears this massive change is a unilateral action without any Talk page discussion or even edit summaries. Furthermore, it is not consistent with the predominant formatting that existed before. Substantively, I find the organization by event to be better. Since the nation articles are organized by sport, it makes sense to organize it within each sport by event rather than by individual. Furthermore, if I'm looking at the nation article, I often want to see how that nation's contingent in an event did. It's very frustrating to have to search through a table to see where the various marathoners have been dispersed. Organizing alphabetically by last name to the detriment/disruption of organizing by event has drawbacks that heavily outweigh its benefits. If you know the name of a person, it shouldn't be hard to find their various events. The reader is likely to have a good idea of which events the athlete competed in and can even go that athletes article. The disruption in splitting up the athletes that competed in the same event by putting first priority on last name is frustrating. I plan to start changing massive formatting change back to the original format while this is issue is discussed (unless someone can point out consensus otherwise already exists). --JamesAM (talk) 00:03, 7 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Actually I think in many, if not most, cases the predominant and original format has in fact been to order alphabetically by athlete surname. The manual of style calls for athletes to "be arranged alphabetically according to their last names". Personally I find it more awkward to have the results of an athlete who competed in multiple events seperated. Your point that to find an athlete's results the reader can go to their article is equally true of being able to go to the event article. - Basement12 (T.C) 02:51, 7 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]
(1) The best way to find out what's the predominant method is to look at the articles. I look at the 2004 and 2008 articles for the U.S., Mexico, Brazil, Japan, China, Russia, Germany, France, and Great Britain. I chose those 9 countries because they were a geographic diverse group of populous countries likely to have sizeable athletics (track and field contingents. Seven of the 9 had their athletics competitors ordered by event (although at least one article would list the second event of some multiple competitors after the first - otherwise sticking to the "by event" order). Only 2 of the 9 were by alphabetical order regardless of event. (2) I don't think the full manual of style quote supports alphabetical regardless of event argument. The full quote is "More than a single athlete in a sport category, whether individual, pair, or team, must be arranged alphabetically according to their last names (Chinese and Korean family names come first, so this table is not needed for these cases)." To me, "sport category" sounds like an event - each category within a sport. If it simply meant sport, why not use that word alone. The following phrase "whether individual, pair, or team" makes this even clearer. Each event is individual, pair, or team. A whole sport is not. Athletics is not just one, it's individual or team. Badminton is individual or pair. Synchronized swimming is pair or team. In other words, the competitors in each event should be in alphabetical order. The 100m runners for the country should be in alphabetical order - not all the track people regardless of event. The badminton players within a pair should be in order. The synchronized swimmers within a team should be in order. (3) No, my point about being able to find results together is not equally true of event articles. If you go to a good athlete article, there will be a paragraph and/or table with the results of their events at one Olympics listed together. If you go to an event article - Athletics at the 2008 Summer Olympics – Men's 800 metres, for example - you don't find a country's results aggregated together. You have to search through the various tables and heats to find the 3 U.S. competitors, who are scattered. It's the same problem as searching in the "purely last name" approach. There should be a place to conveniently find how a country's athletes did in each particular event, rather than having to hunt for a dispersed trio whose individual names I might not know. --JamesAM (talk) 03:54, 7 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]
When the manual of style was drawn up the phrase "sport category" was used as the IOC definition of a "sport" would lump events together that we choose to separate on Wikipedia e.g aquatics is split into swimming, synchronised swimming and diving, so I wouldn't get too hung up on interpreting the wording. Taking Great Britain at the 2008 Summer Olympics as an example yes athletics is listed by event as there were no instances where an athlete completing in multiple events would have their results split, swimming on the other hand has many cases of this and so is listed entirely by athlete surname. I can see your point of view but my preference is to keep one athletes results together where possible - Basement12 (T.C) 12:21, 7 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]
I don't think intrepreting the language of the Manual or style is getting hung up. It's a rational and proper inquiry. If we're going to make arguments about what the Manual of Style means, then it matters what it means. I've made the effort to give concrete reasons (a canons of construction view in a sense) to support my interpretation. I don't see any discussion/consensus that "sport category" should be taken to mean discipline. "Discipline" is the term used in Olympic sports to describe the sub-groups of swimming, diving, synchronized swimming within aquatics. The ordering by event, when no one is in multiple events, doesn't sound like an argument for pure last name ordering. --JamesAM (talk) 16:06, 7 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]
As someone who wrote a large amount of the manual of style I can tell you that we didn't intend it to be inerpreted as you are doing. The intention was to list by athlete surname both within pairs/teams and then within lists of athletes in a table, but I grant you the current wording is poor. I still think if you look at a range of older articles (not just the last 2 Summer Games) then it is more common to list by athlete name (1, 2, 3) but to be honest I don't care enough about how they're ordered to spend any more time discussing it. If there is a consensus built either way then the order decieded upon should be consistently implemented across all articles for all nations in all years at both the Summer and Winter Games - Basement12 (T.C) 16:48, 7 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]
The manual of style is not sacred. Let us innovate and overcome. How about we start a new standard of enabling sorting for both event and name, allowing for both "by event" and "by athlete" grouping (see my test at the 2012 US page). Also, regarding the 2008 men's 800 metres: the athletes can be sorted by country to group their results together. SFB 10:42, 8 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Weightlifting question

This may not be appropriate but I couldn't easily find any members of this project who specialize in Olympic weightlifting.

Is it possible for a country to send three athletes to the same weightlifting weight class? --TheShadowCrow (talk) 21:03, 8 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]

I don't think so. From Official London 2012 website "Each country is limited to 10 athletes (six men and four women) across all events, with a maximum of two athletes in any event" - Basement12 (T.C) 21:23, 8 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Kuwait at the 2012 London Olympics

Shouldn't Kuwait at the 2012 Summer Olympics be deleted and the contents merged with Independent Olympic Participants at the 2012 Summer Olympics? Topcardi (talk) 10:45, 9 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]

No, it could be moved to Independent Olympic Athletes at the 2012 Summer Olympics as they are designated as such by a source from olympic.org. Country code should probably remain KUW as we have no source for any different code. (IOA was Individual Olympic Athletes.) Anyway, there are problems with the designation of Netherlands Antillean athletes as IOP, the source uses "independent athletes under the Olympic flag" which is just a description. 88.88.163.201 (talk) 13:25, 9 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Kuwait cannot be found at www.london2012.com/country by using the search function or browsing the Asia section. (Empty sites exist at www.london2012.com/country/kuwait and www.london2012.com/country/netherlands-antilles as opposed to nothing at www.london2012.com/country/south-sudan.)88.88.163.201 (talk) 22:37, 9 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Canada at the 2012 London Olympics

I have a problem for the page, Canada at the 2012 Summer Olympics. The administrator wants to protect the page, and then revert the page into its own. I have noticed some parts that are against our edit summaries. The tables are in forced widths and the administrator didn't want to adjust the tables properly in which these will trigger display problems once the results are filled in. Moments later, the administrator decided to protect its page in which no other user is allowed to edit. I have done fixing the page already five times, and suddenly discarded them. What shall we do? Raymarcbadz (talk) 14:54, 9 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]

I've made some comments on the talk page - Basement12 (T.C) 23:59, 9 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]

FR Yugoslavia / Serbia & Montenegro (again)

Hi everybody. Quick question. I saw the previous discussion on this topic here. I have nothing against this, but still I would like to ask for an opinion on some other things. More precise. How should individual athletes be categorized? There are four different categories (with their subcategories). For some of them it is clear who qualifies for them, for some not so much:

1. Category:Olympic competitors as Independent Olympic Participants This one is clear. Here goes only competitors from 1992 Olympics (as far as ex-Yu is concerned).

2. Category:Olympic competitors for Serbia This one is also clear. Only competitors from 2008 onwards.

3. Category:Olympic competitors for Serbia and Montenegro Now this is a bit tricky one. Only thing certain is that it should include competitors from 2004 and 2006 Olympics.

4. Category:Olympic competitors for Yugoslavia Another tricky one. It's however clear that it should include competitors until 1990.

This leaves a question mark for competitors for FR Yugoslavia, from 1996 until 2002. Most of them are currently in the category of Yugoslav Olympic competitors. Which is kind of logical. Since they indeed competed for country named Yugoslavia. However. Should they all be transferred to categories Serbia and Montenegro Olympic competitors? Since all of the results in period from 1996 until 2006 are being summarized under that name? Nightfall87 (talk) 12:29, 10 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]


I think there should be 3 particular categories:

1. Olympic competitiors for Yugoslavia (1920 Summer games - 1992 winter games) 2. Olympic competitors as Independent Olympic Participants (1992 summer games) 3. Olympic competitiors for Serbia and Montenegro (1996 summer games - 2006 winter games)

Olympic medalists for FR Yugoslavia then should be moved in category Olympic medalists of Serbian and Montenegro? FR Yugoslavian medals aren't SFRY medals --Backij (talk) 12:43, 10 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Header images

A question has been raised with regards to the little icons that seem to be placed in many of the nation articles' section headers. As an example, look at the headers for sports in this article. I had removed the icons from several articles before I had come to realize that this may have been a vestige of a decision passed by this WikiProject. It is sensible that the images should be removed (MOS:HEAD), but I am curious if there had been some kind of precedent that was set and if there is any reason why these header icons should stay. --Starstriker7(Talk) 20:17, 11 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Images should be systematically removed from headers because they are screen reader inaccessible. I've started stripping them from articles I wander across. --LauraHale (talk) 20:29, 11 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]
They're clutter, and should be removed under MOS:ACCESS reasons, if not for the visual improvement removing them would bring to articles. Courcelles 20:54, 11 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Ah, alright. I had figured as much. Thanks for the clarifications. --Starstriker7(Talk) 22:54, 11 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]
At the time a layout guideline was drafted for those series of articles, the use of icons in the section headers was pretty much established and questions concerning accessibility issues were rarely raised, so its use was considered and even recommended in the manual of style. Nowadays, I agree that they serve no purpose other than aesthetics and can cause readability problems. I'm perfectly in favour if a consensus is reached towards removing these icons from section headings. Parutakupiu (talk) 23:34, 11 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Exactly as Parutakupiu says above; they were only ever in place for aesthetic purposes, the use of them was removed from our style guidelines by LauraHale last year when readability issues became clear. I have no problem with having them removed - Basement12 (T.C) 00:15, 12 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]

There are still editors adding images to section headers, despite the policies on MOS:HEAD that explicitly state they should not be included. Would it not be appropriate to send a reminder out to all project members talk pages regarding this? Wesley Mouse 08:46, 22 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Keep in mind that the MoS isn't policy, and it can be contravened when there's a good reason. There is no good reason to do so here, though, as I see it. Evanh2008 (talk|contribs) 09:13, 22 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Policies/guidelines - all the same thing really. Especially when MoS is included in the Key Wikipedia policies and guidelines template - the clue is in the title me thinks. Wesley Mouse 09:21, 22 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]
I agree with you in principle. Really, I do. Some people, however, take exception to anyone thinking the MoS should be followed whenever possible. I won't go into detail, but it can get insane sometimes. Just thought you should be aware of that. :) Evanh2008 (talk|contribs) 09:31, 22 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]
As much as I appreciate that you were helping, I am fully aware of it - so don't really need reminding. And on that note, I need some food - next volunteering shift starts in 6 and half hours from now. Wesley Mouse 09:35, 22 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]
P.S. All the documents for the independents have the code IOP now, and not IOA. Wesley Mouse 09:36, 22 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Infobox issue regarding athletes medalling as Independent Olympic Participants

On Jasna Šekarić the medal record correctly indicates that she "Competed as an Independent Participant. On the other two medallists' articles (Aranka Binder and Stevan Pletikosić) this is is rendered as "Competitor for Competed as an Independent Participant". I have tried to copy from the correct article to the other two, but the previews showed that I was unsuccessful. I hope someone with experience with the template can fix it. In case it is browser related I'll mention that the issue was discovered while using Internet Explorer 9. 88.88.164.233 (talk) 21:11, 15 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Your attempt to copy the code didn't work as they use a diferent template to Jasna Šekarić (userboxes rather than just a medal record). I've botched a fix to make the pages look right but someone more skilled can probably play with the templates themselves to allow them to read "competed as an" rather than "competitor for" - Basement12 (T.C) 21:28, 15 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]
I have changed templates in the two incorrect articles, as the only additional information in the different template was the birth dates which are in the first line of the articles anyway. 88.88.164.233 (talk) 19:02, 16 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Categories in Category:Competitors at the 2012 Summer Olympics

How can these be populated yet? I thought they existed to cat people who had actually competed at the games, not those listed to compete? How does anyone know that the 109 swimmers will actually compete? I don't advocate deletion, as they'll be recreated in <10 days' time anyway, but I think some care is needed to ensure the people in them did compete. Lugnuts (talk) 11:11, 17 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]

I can't speak for the accuracy of every entry by every editor, but we are currently populating the articles for all the various teams that are being sent to the Olympics. Yes, there will be some anomalies when we see who actually shows up, but we have a fairly firm basis--that being the people named by the various national Olympic Committees for prescribed events, verifiable content. When the Olympics publish entry lists, we can make these more accurate. This is all very public stuff. I see lots of editors making detailed corrections as information comes out. During the competition, there will be groups of editors constantly tweaking the content--I watched this first hand as one of them doing the 2011 World Championships in Athletics. With anything wikipedia, there will be short spans of time when something is slightly inaccurate, before another knowledgeable editor comes along and fixes it. I don't see the need for any aggressive action for deletion necessary at this time. Frankly, the more preliminary legwork that is done, the better. That way we can focus on the actual events rather than the details of getting a name spelled correctly, a country attribution correct, formatting etc. etc. Trackinfo (talk) 20:36, 17 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]
This. It is better to have well sources biographies in advance that say they were named to the squad for the Games than not. The articles become more comprehensive, well sourced and better in compliance with policy. Many 2008 Summer Olympics articles were created only AFTER the Games and as stubs that have not been updated since. Better Starts and Cs in advance than stubs after when interest fades or less well equipped editors create BLP violations after they medal. --LauraHale (talk) 23:27, 17 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Chicken or egg. What inspires people, possibly new editors, to add information, a red link or a stub? By the sheer nature of being part of the Olympics the subjects of these articles are notable. So if someone has already created the initial formatting, it gives a home for new information to be added painlessly, vs the labor, confusion or fear of starting an article from scratch. When this is all in the world media's eye over the next couple of weeks, when better to have information added. I don't think having incomplete articles around, vs no article, is that bad of an idea. Trackinfo (talk) 22:48, 19 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Why don't we have a page for the torches?

Like list of Olympic torch relays. Sagittarian Milky Way (talk) 19:44, 17 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Wouldn't it just end up being an article full of images? I'd say information on the torches are more beneficial and relevant to the respective torch relay articles. Wesley Mouse 20:12, 17 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Wesley Mouse, yep entirely right. Whilst an argument can be made for articles on the torches individually as (recently) their design gets decent press coverage I think it's much better details are included within the relay (and briefly in the main Games) articles - Basement12 (T.C) 22:59, 19 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Confirmed the former Netherlands Antilles team status in 2012

According to the London 2012 official website, the Dutch Antillean athletes will compete as "Independent Olympic Athletes" (IOA) not "Independent Olympic Participants" (IOP). The code IOA was used in 2000 for East Timorese athletes under the name "Individual Olympic Athletes". And now? See Talk:2012 Summer Olympics#Independent Olympic Participants at the 2012 Summer Olympics should be renamed. Jonas kam (talk) 07:35, 18 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]

NOC table

I have started updating Wikipedia:WikiProject Olympics/Summer articles/NOC table. I have two questions.

  1. Is this table still useful.
  2. Could someone check it - especially my edits - because there is a huge amount of data and I think a second look would be good.

Hektor (talk) 17:31, 20 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]

For me personally, I find the charts useful. The question marks will just have to be fixed when the games actually take place, but you did a great job updating it. --J36miles (talk) 15:04, 21 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Team templates and their categories

For a long time WP has had templates for basketball and swimming teams such as {{United States Men Basketball Squad 2008 Summer Olympics}} and {{Footer USA Swimming 2004 Summer Olympics}}. I have noticed that {{Footer USA Track & Field 2012 Summer Olympics}} was created.

  1. Do we want to have templates for all teams like boxing, gymnastics, or any other sport?--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 05:23, 21 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Do we want to create similar track templates for all past teams?--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 05:23, 21 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]
  3. Do we want to get the categories that they are in structured similarly?--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 05:23, 21 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Here is a historical one that may serve as an example {{Footer USA Track & Field 1996 Summer Olympics}}, I may produce a few others.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 21:18, 21 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]

They seem like a useful enough addition, although I would recommend strictly limiting these to larger delegations. It would be much more useful to create whole delegation navs for the smaller nations rather than sport-specific ones (e.g. Bahamas: 25 entries in 2008). For reference, only about a dozen nations entered over 40 people into the athletics events at the 2004 Olympics.
There is likely some interest in grouping past American Olympic track and field teams, but my gut says that desire is probably less so for other nations. Category-wise, I'm less convinced of the overall value of categorising by games+nationality. Carl Lewis already has eight Olympic categories. Adding four more might not be a good idea (unless we can technically revolutionise our method of categorisation!). SFB 22:06, 21 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]
This issue is more for the Amy Acuff and Dominique Dawes types of athletes than it is for the Lewises.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 04:54, 22 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Category-wise I was talking about getting the templates categorized properly.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 04:54, 22 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]

I have a question. The template containing the name of the athlete should be added at the bottom of the same article of the athlete, as for any navigational template? --Kasper2006 (talk) 10:21, 22 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Yes one objective is to put {{Footer USA Gymnastics 1996 Summer Olympics}} rather than {{Olympic champions artistic gymnastics Women TC}} on the bottom of a page like Dominique Dawes--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 14:57, 22 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]

The track & field ones will take me a while to create, but I have created a few of these for boxing and gymnastics:

I am not going to create any more, but will work on the categories. Hopefully, others will fill in the rest of the years:--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 14:57, 22 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]

I have created Category:Olympics athletics team navigational boxes, Category:Olympics gymnastics team navigational boxes and Category:Olympics boxing team navigational boxes as well as Category:United States Olympics navigational boxes and subcats Category:United States gymnastics Olympics squad navigational boxes , Category:United States athletics Olympics squad navigational boxes and Category:United States boxing Olympics squad navigational boxes, for which I could use some assistance filling in templates. I am pretty much done with this. Once I slap the templates into the pages they belong, I will be moving on to other efforts. Hopefully this is enough impetus to get others to help out.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 00:40, 23 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]
P.S. I apologize if people think that that gymnastics team templates should be separated like basketball.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 19:57, 23 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Membership Drive

With the games starting in less than a week, would it be a good time to start a drive to gain new members and to update the membership list or is it too late? J36miles (talk) 15:30, 21 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Articles created too soon.

IMHO, the following articles should be deleted - 2022 Winter Olympics, 2024 Summer Olympics & 2028 Summer Olympics. - GoodDay (talk) 19:33, 21 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]

And for what reason should they be deleted? All the articles are relevant and contain citations to reliable sources which verify their content. The articles also give insight into the entire bidding process which as everyone know takes place several years prior to the host selection taking place. So on that basis, I strongly oppose any such deletion. Wesley Mouse 08:51, 22 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Oddly enough, WP:NOLYMPICS has nothing to say on the topic of when a particular instance of the Games becomes notable enough for inclusion. Regardless, I'm with Wesley -- coverage of the bidding process &c. makes them plenty notable for our purposes. Evanh2008 (talk|contribs) 08:57, 22 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]
We should 'atleast' wait until a 'host city' is chosen, before creating an article. GoodDay (talk) 21:32, 22 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Something unique about Olympic Games articles is that in their early stages, they really should be titled "Bids for the XXXX Olympics." In the lead up to city selection, that is what the article documents. Once the Host City is selected, the bulk of the bid information is then transferred to such a named article and the "XXXX Olympics" concerns only the Games with just a reference and link to the old information. This model has worked well for at least five years here on WP so I don't see a reason to change it, but I see your point, GoodDay.
One other note of interest, it has been agreed upon by the project that pages for new Games (next up 2026 Winter Olympics) are only started when there are documented sources noting bids or attempts at organization. So we have learned to not create additional articles too soon. But as the other editors note, these bids are often planned up to 15 years in advance. For example, The Netherlands has been discussing their 2028 bid since at least 2008, which is *20 years* in advance.Cbradshaw (talk) 16:13, 23 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Input needed

There is a discussion here which I feel would benefit from the input of knowledgeable editors. Evanh2008 (talk|contribs) 02:23, 22 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]

See also the requested move discussion at Talk:Independent Olympic Participants at the 2012 Summer Olympics‎. Evanh2008 (talk|contribs) 03:46, 22 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]
I think this one is resolved, actually. A brief frenzy of confusion has been clarified by a careful examination of the available sources. If you're interested in the boring details, you can find them at the talk page cited above. Carry on! Evanh2008 (talk|contribs) 04:57, 22 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Requested move discussion still active, with need for input. Additionally there is this expansion with much larger effects. 85.167.109.186 (talk) 17:46, 22 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Covering the Olympics/Paralympics live and in person for Wikipedia and other WMF projects

Hi. For the 2012 Summer Paralympics, two Wikipedians (myself and Hawkeye7) are going to London to cover the Games with press credentials acquired through Wikimedia Australia. Covering these Games successfully on Wikinews and Wikipedia provides a fantastic opportunity to use this as leverage to get the Commonwealth Games and the Olympic Games in the next few years. The more successful we are at doing on the ground Original Reporting that coincides with Wikipedia article improvements and getting pictures in advance, the better we can use it to get additional access because Wikipedia and Wikinews will have a track record of success. In order to do this, we need your help on Wikinews. The Wikinews part is being organised as Wikinews:Paralympic Games. The main focus needs to be writing Original Reporting. We need people to help copy edit, to take original reporting notes and write them into Wikinews articles, who can hunt down acceptable licenses for pictures to use on articles. (IPC policy only allows a CC-BY-NC kind of license at the events. Not sure accreditation wise we'll be good to go with getting our own images in any case.) We also need people who can help with reviewing. Any assistance you can provide would be very much appreciated. Please sign up at Wikinews:Paralympic Games. :) --LauraHale (talk) 22:20, 22 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]

See A Reporter's Guide to Sports and Olympics Reporting - TrustMedia.
—Wavelength (talk) 22:36, 23 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Relevance to request for assistance? Will you be assisting us on Wikinews? --LauraHale (talk) 23:39, 23 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Your first question is answered by the following information on that web page.

'A Reporter's Guide to Sports and Olympics Reporting' is written by Foundation Consultant, Colin McIntyre with contributions from former Reuters Sports Editor Steve Parry, who has covered 19 Olympic Games, and from other Reuters reporters. They guide you through the preparations that will help you, give you an idea of what to expect at the event, warn you of pitfalls, and encourage you to raise your own game as a journalist.

The answer to your second question is "I have no immediate plans to edit Wikinews."
—Wavelength (talk) 00:19, 24 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Censorship and 2012 Summer Olympics

Members of this WikiProject may be interested in User talk:Jimbo Wales/Archive 111#Censorship and 2012 Summer Olympics.
—Wavelength (talk) 20:22, 23 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]

The Nigerian 4X 400m relay silver medal to be changed to gold

The IOC has recently given the Nigerian team made up of Bada, Jude Monye, Clement Chukwu and Enefiok Udo-Ubong . A decision was taken to reallocate the medals from 2000 came three years after they had decided to the disqualify the United States team. Jamaica are now the silver medallists and the Bahamas have the bronze medal. Therefore, the information as such should be changed on the page holding Nigeria at the Sydney Olympics 2000. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Mayofabulous (talk • contribs) 03:16, 25 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Merge discussion for Quietly Confident Quartet

Proposed merge of Quietly Confident Quartet (FA) into Swimming at the 1980 Summer Olympics – Men's 4 x 100 metre medley relay (GA). Discussion here. -- jnestorius(talk) 10:36, 25 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Chronological summary of the 2012 Summer Olympics

I've kicked off the Chronological summary of the 2012 Summer Olympics with the aim of having it be in a form similar to Chronological summary of the 2008 Summer Olympics. I've also asked here whether having a link to the page from the main page's "In the news" section (as I seem to remember happening in 2008) would be appropriate throughout the Games - Basement12 (T.C) 16:09, 25 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Standardizing "(Country) at the Olympics"

Template:Formerly

Just off the top of the list, looking at the first two articles in this series, Afghanistan at the Olympics and Albania at the Olympics I'm seeing vastly different styles of summary tables. I'm sure there must be other inconsistencies, unfortunately, but is anyone working on standardizing these? I especially like the summary table used in Australia at the Olympics, the Summer table. Hopefully, all articles can be brought into that format. Jmj713 (talk) 05:00, 28 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]

I guess they all look different, due to the number of editors involved. Lots of the earlier years are a mixture of full results to just stubs stating x country competed at y games. Agree that they should all look the same, but just adding the sports is a big job! Lugnuts (talk) 12:51, 28 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]
There should be a template settled on and instituted throughout. After going quickly through all such articles, many don't have a summary table, and some have a Summer table, but are missing a Winter table. Jmj713 (talk) 15:47, 28 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]
[I am revising the heading of this section from Standardizing [Country] at the Olympics to Standardizing <Country> at the Olympics, in harmony with WP:TPOC (point 13: Section headings). Square brackets hinder links to section headings in archives. See User:Wavelength/About Wikipedia/Link test page one and User:Wavelength/About Wikipedia/Link test page two.
—Wavelength (talk) 16:43, 28 July 2012 (UTC)][reply]
Sorry about that. On the topic at hand, I've begun doing some work by bringing in line Afghanistan at the Olympics, Algeria at the Olympics, and Australia at the Olympics. Jmj713 (talk) 17:19, 28 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Oops! Now the arrow link before the section heading in the watchlist does not go directly to the section, and the word "Country" does not appear in the watchlist. I apologize for that inconvenience. I am revising the section heading again, to Standardizing "(Country) at the Olympics".
—Wavelength (talk) 17:58, 28 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Great Britain

Just for a change we have an editor trying to insist that the Great Britain team is in fact called "Great Britain and Northern Ireland" and making changes to Great Britain at the 2012 Summer Olympics that imply this. I can't make further changes due to 3:RR but I've started a discussion at Talk:Great Britain at the 2012 Summer Olympics#Edits by FerrerFour. I've also left notes at User talk:FerrerFour. - Basement12 (T.C) 15:32, 28 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Jade Bailey (footballer)

I am the creator of the article Jade Bailey (footballer) I came here hoping to ask for help in expanding it because you folks presumably know what you're doing. I don't know enough about olympians to do a good article here. I need 1500 characters to get it past http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template:Did_you_know_nominations/Jade_Bailey_(footballer) . Would you care to help? Regards, Anameofmyveryown (talk) 12:31, 29 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Mi-Na Shon?

1988 Seoul Olympics Oath, Mi-Na Son is miss-typed as Mi-Na Shon. The problem is that the miss-typed version is consistent not only within the wiki but throughout the whole internet. I am the native speaker of Korean, and, trust me, there is no "Shon" in Korean. Of course, the article of "Mi-Na 'Shon'" has a reference, and I confirmed that the reference refers her name as 'Shon'. Then, I found out that the reference is not official. I visited the official Olympics record "www.olympics.org", and then I found there that the name "Mi-Ha Son" comes consistently just at the place where "Mi-Na Shon" should be.

I think that "H" is mis-writing of "N" occured by handwriting, and "Shon" is mis-"copy and paste". I know that I cannot change the title of the article myself, as the issue does not seem to be obvious to the non-native speakers, so I came here with the topic. I wish that this argument is convincing.

For more details, "Son" is sometimes written as "Sohn" so I suspect that there is a possibility that "Mi-na Sohn" is correct, but I couldn't find other references. I think we should follow the official record and write in "Mi-Na Son". W890702 (talk) 10:20, 30 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]

In the official olympic report (page 201) she is listed as Mi-Na Son, and also at sports-reference. I'm going to go ahead and move the page based on those sources - Basement12 (T.C) 14:15, 30 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]

China Olympic Medal Table

In reference to this page: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/China_at_the_Olympics#Medals_by_Summer_Games

There is a medal count table which displays China's rank as #1 for the 2008 games. China won the most gold medals, but not the most total medals. This column should be removed or renamed as it is ambiguous. Furthermore, the IOC does not endorse a Global Ranking:

The Charter goes even further in Chapter 5, section 58, expressly prohibiting the IOC from producing an official ranking:

According to Australian IOC member Kevan Gosper, the IOC began to accommodate medals tables in 1992, releasing 'information' based on the 'gold first' standard.[1] The medal tables provided on its website carry this disclaimer:

Evan (talk) 15:09, 30 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]

China Olympic Medal Table

In reference to this page: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/China_at_the_Olympics#Medals_by_Summer_Games

There is a medal count table which displays China's rank as #1 for the 2008 games. China won the most gold medals, but not the most total medals. This column should be removed or renamed as it is ambiguous. Furthermore, the IOC does not endorse a Global Ranking:

The Charter goes even further in Chapter 5, section 58, expressly prohibiting the IOC from producing an official ranking:

According to Australian IOC member Kevan Gosper, the IOC began to accommodate medals tables in 1992, releasing 'information' based on the 'gold first' standard.[1] The medal tables provided on its website carry this disclaimer:

Evan (talk) 15:09, 30 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]

  1. ^ a b Cite error: The named reference WSJ was invoked but never defined (see the help page).
  2. ^ "Olympic Games Athens 1896 - Medal Table". International Olympic Committee. Retrieved 2008-08-19. {{cite web}}: Italic or bold markup not allowed in: |publisher= (help)
  3. ^ "Olympic Games Athens 1896 - Medal Table". International Olympic Committee. Retrieved 2008-08-19. {{cite web}}: Italic or bold markup not allowed in: |publisher= (help)
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