Talk:Doctor Eggman

IMPORTANT!

Dr Eggman is NOT an alias for Dr Robotnik. In a Sonic X episoide, we find out that Dr Eggman's GREATGRAND FATHER is Dr Robotnik.

Yah, this shit was seriously annoying me...someone was aways ready to call you out for "mistakenly" saying Robotnik.

Also, this was truly my favorite Sonic game. The mention of "Sonic X" really drives home how overexposed the character's always been. Mario knew when to say when!

FOR PROOF, go to List of Sonic X episodes and look at episoide 33

It says:

While hacking into G.U.N.'s computers, Eggman comes across the journal of his grandfather, Dr. Gerald Robotnik, and learns of Project Shadow,...

This should explain everything. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 92.26.72.198 (talk) 00:01, 29 March 2010 (UTC)

Sonic X is full of incorrectly translated stuff by 4Kids (the people who translated it into English) - they even call Eggman's base "Chaos Control" in the first episodes instead of the Emerald power induced warp that sent them to Chris's world. PROFESSOR Robotnik is DOCTOR Robotnik's grandfather (that is "Professor Gerald Robotnik" and "Doctor 'Eggman' Robotnik" or in the games "Doctor Ivo 'Eggman' Robotnik" - here is a bio card that appeared in the Japanese Sonic X but was cut from the English Sonic X) CIGraphix (talk) 13:27, 29 March 2010 (UTC)

Dr. Ivo Robotnik is the same character named as Dr. Eggman, you have good information in the article about it. Also Ivo isn't the only one bearing the name Robotnik, there were two new characters of his family intruduced in Sonic Adventure 2. --85.242.104.3 (talk) 21:42, 31 March 2010 (UTC)

Averting an Eggman/Robotnik revert war

It has become absolutely clear that there are major disagreements over the naming of Eggman/Robotnik. I hope we can all agree on a consensus that reflects the 'Ivo Robotnickists and the Eggmanists'. Ryu and Flint please do tone things down. It is clear that some will never agree. Let's get a middle ground decided. Personally I would say the current article. We should then all police it reverting ANY naming changes and NOT posting any ourselves for the forseeable future. A revert war helps nobody --GemmaDarkmoon (talk) 01:18, 23 November 2008 (UTC)

Also, ITS NOT A FUCKING MESSAGEBOARD. --Ronnie42 (talk) 19:35, 22 March 2012 (UTC) Sonic Generations cleared this mess up in Sonic Generations by clearing stating Sonic Retro is Robotnik, Modern Robotnik is known as Eggman. Source? Sonic generations. As for nicknames hes always going to be Robotnik to me.

Dr Ivo Robotnik or Dr Eggman

See the section "important" above

Every single Sonic game since 1998 has refered to the character as "Doctor Eggman". "Doctor Robotnik" is no longer used, and as such is outdated information. It is clear that SEGA of America intends for "Eggman" to be recognized as the character's official name. This article should respect that. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Choobiator (talk • contribs) 17:38, 19 March 2010 (UTC)

The charicter's name is Dr Ivo Robotnik. I have been a fan of Sonic right since the begining and everything I know tells me his name is Robotnik. Sonic Adventure DX makes it clear Eggman is a nickname. I feel we should stick to the name sega used or maybe even create two seperate pages with one calling him Robotnik and the other Eggman. I think it's a disrespect to the roots of the series not to brush over the name of Robotnik with Eggman. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Error96 (talk • contribs) 18:20, 18 November 2008 (UTC)

Actually, there's more to it. In Japan, his names always been Dr. Eggman. Because of english localization, Sega of USA changed his name to Dr. Ivo Robotnik. In Sonic Adventure, when Sega started making Sonic games in 3D, Sega had to choose between using the Sonic US storyline or Sonic JP story. Ultimately, they chose Japan. So, in Sonic Adventure, they chose to make his real name Ivo Robotnik because of him having a 'full name'. Since then, they've used Eggman as his primary name in it's sequels. According to Wikipedia:Naming Convention, we have to use the most common name of the character. That name is obviously Eggman. So, "Doctor Eggman" will remain. --Ryu-chan (Talk | Contributions) 19:20, 18 November 2008 (UTC)

I disagree completely with Ryan. The name Doctor Robotnik was the main used name in the USA and UK and even the creators say Eggman is a nickname. I think Dr Ivo Robotnik is the most common when considering the last ten years and the correct name to use. Maybe a compromise of Dr Ivo 'Eggman' Robotnik would be best. --GemmaDarkmoon (talk) 20:01, 18 November 2008 (UTC)

Dr 'Eggman' Robotnick is a fair compromise so hope everyone can agree to leave the article as it is. It's gets rid of confusion by the name switching between Eggman and Robotnik in the related media like TV programmes. Switching all to one would be inappropriate in these sections so the format we have now seems to work. Hope that is okay with everyone --GemmaDarkmoon (talk) 20:24, 18 November 2008 (UTC)

There had been a consensus in place for some time to give both their credit at the top (article address is under Dr. Eggman as per Wikipedia:Naming_conventions_(common_names), above pic says what was written in the character's Sonic X bio card - "Dr. Eggman (Robotnik)", below pic was full Dr. Ivo "Eggman" Robotnik, and text said some form of "Dr. Ivo Robotnik also known as Dr. Eggman", while the rest of article was Eggman per the naming conventions common name rule with exceptions for series (like the 3 DiC cartoons) where the character was never called Eggman) CIGraphix (talk) 20:44, 18 November 2008 (UTC)

The common name theory should put his name as Dr Robotnik as on average he has been called Robotnik more than Eggman. The guys name is Dr Ivo ROBOTNIK. The article states his real name is Robotnik and one of the Sonic games is called 'Dr Robotnik's mean bean machine'. --RoseKcat (talk) 21:33, 18 November 2008 (UTC) Just to add to that try google searching the two names. Robotnik has twice as many entrys and Doctor Eggman searching gives the question do you mean Doctor Robotnik at the top of the google search page --RoseKcat (talk) 22:22, 18 November 2008 (UTC)

Google and other search engines are not considered reliable sources. Sega owns the property and has obviously decided to make Eggman the common name (based on the last nearly 10 years of the dominance of the Eggman name in all languages as opposed to the use of the Robotnik name in the English versions only for the around 7 years before that). The existing consensus (as I described above) gives both names due credit and I believe it should remain. CIGraphix (talk) 22:48, 18 November 2008 (UTC)

I agree and think both names should remain too. I don't think either the Robotnik name or the Eggman name should be downgraded cos of naming rules. To me the Charicter will always be called Robotnik as that's the name he always did have in my region. Others may feel same about Eggman. I think the article as it is now works well. It represents both views. --Error96 (talk) 23:24, 18 November 2008 (UTC)

Over 10 years of being the biggest Sonic fan ever, having collected every Sonic game, Comic, Annual, Toy, Plush etc I should know everything Sonic. Yet two major charicters Metalix and Robotnik people won't let me call them their 'real' names primarily. The backstory I am cerain of others don't believe. I think the Kintobor backstory should be here but accept others don't. I guess I will leave you in peace before months of revert waring start.--Error96 (talk) 00:58, 19 November 2008 (UTC)

The things you posted were totally correct for the UK region though it seems clear other regions may have different stories. People like Cigraphix just seem to be trying to be difficult. The metal Sonic is commonly refered to as Metallix in our region and as for Robotnik/Eggman. His true name is Ivo Robotnik in the UK with Eggman a nickname. Indeed the UK theory may not win out here but I don't want people thinking their view isn't vallid. The UK Sonic story is a valid story. I go with it and certain people should stop trying to put you down over it. You can be proud of your region's story and believe in it even if others here and people in other regions do not. Try leaving here and seting up a fansite of something then you can state all the UK story as fact. --RoseKcat (talk) 08:49, 19 November 2008 (UTC)

I'm not trying to be difficult, please do not assume bad faith on my part. In the past, I have defended both 'Robotnik' and 'Ivo' from being turned into a quick paragraph saying they were used but are not anymore. Also, it is not 'correct to different regions' but it is correct to different 'Sonic universes.' There is Fleetway's Sonic the Comic universe, which is where the Ovi Kintobor and Metallix stuff come from, there is DiC's Sonic the Hedgehog tv show & the Archie Sonic the Hedgehog comics based on it where the character was originally Julian or Julian Kintobor (and before the Archie comics became based on the tv show there was a teaser in one issue that Sonic and Robotnik were step brothers), and then there are the different universes of the video games, Sonic X, the Sonic the Hedgehog: The Movie OVA, and both DiC's other TV shows Adventures of Sonic the Hedgehog and Sonic Underground where Eggman's background is not developed and the name 'Kintobor' is never mentioned.

As Cigraphix said, Sega owns the property of Sonic. Sega chose Eggman as his main name. This is shown in the fact that in speaking games Doctor Robotnik is only said in one game. Eggman's the most common name. I'm pretty sure younger Sonic fans wouldn't know his name is Doctor Robotnik unless they played Adventure, saw the cartoons, or read the comic (where also, he's referred to as Eggman more than Ivo Robotnik). As I said before, the name thing was due to Sega trying not to confuse fans since they were making a Sonic game talk. The name Doctor Robotnik is pretty much dead now that Sega changed his name (and I mean dead in continuity, not among fans). --Ryu-chan (Talk | Contributions) 17:42, 19 November 2008 (UTC)

I wouldn't call it dead in continuity; since it is reaffirmed in Gerald & Maria Robotnik,"Robotnik Corp" in Sonic Riders, and Eggman's Sonic X bio card which said "Dr. Eggman (Robotnik)"- but it is much less prominent. CIGraphix (talk) 17:57, 19 November 2008 (UTC)

I was referring to Eggman referring to himself as Doctor Robotnik or any other characters. Not Maria/Gerald Robotnik, Robotnik Corp, etc... --Ryu-chan (Talk | Contributions) 18:51, 19 November 2008 (UTC)

I think Ryu is absolutely wrong with what he put. The name Dr Ivo Robotnik is used so incredibly much more than the name Eggman amongst Sonic fans in the western world. Therefore I think it is not at all a dead name and should be represented fully on this page. All the people I know and all fans on forums I go on refer to him almost 100% as Dr Robotnik even in the new games. The consensus seems to be to keep a strong prevalence of the Robotnik name on this page. I hope you can stick to that consensus Ryu and avoid what would likely become revert warring --Flint melody (talk) 00:58, 21 November 2008 (UTC)

I said dead in continuity, not among fans. This statement means that within the games (other than Sonic Adventure), he's not refered to as Doctor Robotnik. And there's nothing wrong about my statements. Everyone knows that his name is Doctor Ivo Robotnik. Sega themselves chose to call him Doctor Eggman to follow the story of the Japanese games (due to localization of earlier games, the stories vary). To my knowledge, the only source that uses Doctor Robotnik is Sonic the Hedgehog. The forums I go to refer to him simply as Eggman because they don't much care for localization. The main source for Sonic anything are the games and the games refer to him as Eggman alot more than Robotnik. Even in the newer games, everyone refers to him as Eggman. --Ryu-chan (Talk | Contributions) 19:09, 21 November 2008 (UTC)

Say that to the people who wrote the Sonic Unleashed western manual. Beyond that, eesh! 83.104.34.212 (talk) 21:36, 8 January 2009 (UTC)

Can't we all just agree the charicter has two very commonly used names and that both have a major place in this article. It's clear an attempt to get rid of either name will result in revert war from one side so can't we all just accept that both have a place here --GemmaDarkmoon (talk) 01:04, 23 November 2008 (UTC)

Dr. Ivo 'Eggman' Robotnik works for me. It matches Miles "Tails" Prower and every one gets some eggs and robot in the mix. Oh his gears and starters. —Preceding unsigned comment added by TriggerMagnumPI (talk • contribs) 13:40, 27 January 2010 (UTC)

We could push this to GA status easily

Eggman, Robotnik or whatever you wanna call the guy has a lot of info about him that can be cited and should be doable for a GA article before the DVD submission deadline.

• The creations section needs to be trimmed back and merged into a trimmed In video games section.
• Characteristics needs to discuss his look and features in a citable manner. Look at Master Chief (Halo) for some ideas on how to write it.
• A reception section needs to be developed. To that end I propose posting links of reception in third party media that can be cited here and working out a solid section from there.
• In other media needs to be condensed and cleaned up. Take a look at how Superman handles the subsection.
• Merchandise and promotion needs to be cited. That's a given. So what was there to promote the character?

So who's with me?--Kung Fu Man (talk) 21:40, 30 September 2008 (UTC)

Ivo?

So, I've been thinking, is the first name "Ivo" outdated information?

Let's consider the facts, in rough order...

- The manual for the American Sonic the Hedgehog calls him Dr. Ivo Robotnik. Ivo quickly vanishes from all official first-party material.

- The Japanese and Western games keep calling him different names ("Eggman" and "Robotnik"), with few hints of the other occasionally (named "EGGMAN" on Wing Fortress in Sonic the Hedgehog 2 and Sonic & Tails 2's Robotnik Winter Zone) all the way into Sonic Adventure International, where most language tracks besides the original Japanese have him use Robotnik as his real name and Eggman as the name known by Sonic and his friends (presumeably an insult). He also calls his dream city "Eggmanland" rather than "Robotnikland" in the Japanese version, although now that ambition seems to extend to the world, unless I'm mistaken.

- The sequel, Sonic Adventure 2, has him call himself Eggman, but there are characters related to him with the last name "Robotnik", and his background on a TV at once point calls it the Robotnik Empire rather than the Eggman Empire. After this point, Eggman is considered an alias, and the real name "Robotnik" is rarely mentioned.

- To address the issue, Yuji Naka has been quoted in saying that Robotnik is Eggman's real name, and that Eggman is a common nickname. He thought that perhaps it was even Sonic that came up with the name in the first place, and that he wouldn't be too surprised if Sonic used the name out of affection rather than as a true insult (which I suppose is true in Sonic Adventure, since if he's idle at the Mystic Ruins Base, he'll seriously call him "Robotnik" for once).

- The Japanese profile on the official Sonic Channel website claims that Dr. Eggman's real name is unknown.

- In Sonic Chronicles: The Dark Brotherhood, for the first time in a long while, Eggman calls himself Dr. Robotnik every once in a while. In fact, the Codex in the game calls him Dr. "Eggman" Robotnik, with no mention of a first name.

See what I'm getting at? My point is, while his real last name may be Robotnik, his first name was lost long ago, thus why his real full name isn't determined on Sonic Channel. Sure, there may be some licensed, non-Sega publications that still refer to him as Ivo (Archie's adaptation of Sonic and the Secret Rings comes to mind), but it's never direct Sega material since the name's first appearance that suggests his first name wasn't merely fabricated by the early localization team. So, we should really eliminate his first name since it's officially a mystery, and mention it in passing where his name confusion comes into play. It's simply no longer in effect. 156.12.150.206 (talk) 17:08, 9 October 2008 (UTC)

I disagree, the name "Ivo" should be kept for several reasons:

1 it has historical context;

2 no reliable source (that I know of) has ever flatly addressed the issue of "Ivo" in relation to the games so calling it outdated is original research (Sonic Channel seems to include his last name as being unknown as well, contradicting other bios, interviews, and game scripts that say it is "Robotnik" - if written carefully, this can be noted as well if it isn't already);

3 this article is not just about the video game version of the character, besides being used in Adventures of Sonic the Hedgehog, the Archie comic Sonic the Hedgehog also features the name "Ivo" in its current material. CIGraphix (talk) 17:39, 9 October 2008 (UTC)

Well, it does have historical context, but that's exactly why I thought it should be mentioned in the article rather than as part of his full name. As for any reliable source ever dismissing Ivo, nothing has ever really reinforced it, either - it's only the "Robotnik" part that's ever mentioned. Yuji Naka has said that Robotnik is his real name, but didn't say Ivo Robotnik was... And, aside from that interview, the Japanese continuity doesn't really reinforce the name outside of Sonic Adventure 2, so it would make sense if Sonic Channel listed his real name as unknown (in fact, in Sonic Adventure 2, he still doesn't call himself a Robotnik, he just happened to be related to people with that last name, so it's still possible for his real name to be completely unknown in the Japanese continuity). Lastly, the bulk of the article is about the game version of Eggman - Ivo remains true to his AoStH persona, just like Maurice (or whatever) doesn't apply to Sonic's real name in the games. 156.12.150.206 (talk) 16:11, 10 October 2008 (UTC)

Name is not outdated. It definitely should, at least, have a mention in the article. --158.83.184.88 (talk) 20:00, 10 October 2008 (UTC)

Wasn't Eggman's first name (Ivo) used in the Sonic Advance 2/3 manual? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.116.239.252 (talk) 04:13, 12 October 2008 (UTC)

I completely disagree with the dropping of Ivo. The charicter's correct name is Doctor Ivo Robotnik so both Ivo and Robotnik should stay. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Error96 (talk • contribs) 18:11, 18 November 2008 (UTC)

Ivo hasn't been mentioned at all recently, and there's no evidence that it's his real name.74.76.44.179 (talk) 13:42, 31 January 2009 (UTC)

Yes it's his first name, you want a recent reference? I have PSP Genesis collection and there on Sonic 1 Virtual Manual-thingie his name is mentioned as - Dr. Ivo "Eggman" Robotnik. You can go check that, if you want 82.154.180.45 (talk) 18:08, 30 March 2009 (UTC)

Ivo has only been used in reference to the first game of the series, and in the non-canon Archie flash comic that came in some early versions of the American Sonic & the Secret Rings. It is all but forgotten otherwise. Besides, Eggman's name is officially unknown in the Japanese continuity - the Sonic Channel website lists his real full name as Unknown or Mystery. The term "Robotnik" is used when referring to his family members in Japan. Even if you refer to the Yuji Naka interview that says that his real name is Robotnik, he does not mention his real name is Ivo Robotnik. For all we know, the Japanese intend his name to be "Gerald Robotnik III," but their site says unknown, so it's unlikely it'll ever to revealed, much less mentioned again.

I think "Ivo" should only be a note within the article, and not part of the character's name at the beginning. 67.214.24.165 (talk) 19:01, 19 June 2009 (UTC)

Calling the name outdated is still original research as I explained above. Furthermore, this article is not just about the games character, it is also about the Sonic the Hedgehog (comics), Sonic the Hedgehog (TV series), Adventures of Sonic the Hedgehog and Sonic the Comic characters who preserved the "Ivo" name. Ivo is a common thread between all the different versions with the only exception being Sonic X and I believe it should stay as is, but I want to check the consensus. CIGraphix (talk) 16:45, 25 June 2009 (UTC)

If I recall correctly, about half of the American media used "Julian" instead of Ivo. Ivo was only used in the Adventures of Sonic the Hedgehog cartoon. 208.101.168.28 (talk) —Preceding undated comment added 16:31, 1 July 2009 (UTC).

The Fleetway version's origin says he was "Ovi Kintobor" and then became "Ivo Robotnik" with his name reversed, the Archie version incorporated everything and wound up with "Julian Kintobor of the house of Ivo" which he then made "Ivo Robotnik" when he conquered Mobotropolis (and "Ivo" was used as recently as issue 200 of March 09) CIGraphix (talk) 16:39, 1 July 2009 (UTC)

Julian

When I was growing up, I had (and still have) the Genesis games, and they referred to him as Julian Robotnik in America. There's not mention of this. -- 24.28.247.222 (talk) 03:24, 16 November 2008 (UTC)

Julian was only mentioned in the cartoon (and BD's), in games his first name is Ivo. 82.155.204.77 (talk) 14:51, 19 May 2009 (UTC)

No, according the game manual, his first name was Julian. 75.183.7.184 (talk) 02:44, 19 September 2009 (UTC)

Go check again, the only name first used in the manuals is "Ivo", "Julian" was first heard in SATAM, and was only used in that show and in the Archie comics. --85.242.77.166 (talk) 21:50, 10 November 2009 (UTC)

Why No Pingas?

I'm a little curious as to why the word "PINGAS" redirects here and is then not mentioned in the article.

140.228.159.206 (talk) 04:21, 17 November 2008 (UTC)Matt

His spoofing on youtube should be in in a Level 5 section like this:

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bdhjfvburjhnv hrfjvnj fdkjnvmcfkdivjnm hfdsijhbvc ehdsjkbpingasjfvhueynfvjhmnifkm vkjiddn jshndec . Like that, but with words that make sense. —Preceding unsigned comment added by WikiChicken81112 (talk • contribs) 01:02, 17 July 2010 (UTC)

In one of the cartoons, he says "Snooping as usual, I see." That goes to snooPINGASusual. It sounds like penis. Some people have composed music with recordings of it. 68.35.41.207 (talk) 05:04, 26 July 2009 (UTC)

Kintobor origin and Metallix name

The Robotnik origin story about Kintobor undergoing the transformation into Robotnik and Metal Sonic's other name, Metallix, are canon only to Sonic the Comic, it should not be placed anywhere else in the article like it is universially canon to the whole franchise (the game version, the Sonic X version, and 2 DiC cartoon versions have unknown backstories, Archie/SatAm Robotnik was always evil and was originally "Julian Kintobor" which contradicts Sonic the Comic completely - Metal Sonic has never been called "Metallix" outside Sonic the Comic) CIGraphix (talk) 21:24, 18 November 2008 (UTC)

I 100% believe the story decribed in the Official Sonic The Comic is the true backstory of Sonic. I had not before now heard of any evidence to contradict that story so that was why I decided to add it in. Didn't know it would provoke a negative responce.

I think that wording like (also known as Metallix) for the robot you call 'metal sonic' would work and maybe put the Ovi Kintobor tale as a suggested theory on the backstory. --Error96 (talk) 23:43, 18 November 2008 (UTC)

I have never read the comic but I know all about the Kintobor story and the Metallix name for metal Sonic. I presumed they were common knowledge too. There is nothing with the story error96 put and think the critisms of it was unessisarily harsh. Maybe though these tales are only prominant in the UK and not elsewhere. --RoseKcat (talk) 08:39, 19 November 2008 (UTC)

The other media article merge

I'm objecting to that unless someone's got a discussion to point to. That merge pretty much laid waste to this article, and was a really bad call in the manner it was done. On a different note, added a bit of reception from GameDaily.--Kung Fu Man (talk) 00:35, 30 November 2008 (UTC)

Japanese spelling of Robotnik

As it is my understanding that in no Japanese version Sonic game is he ever called Robotnik, why does Robotnik get a Japanese spelling? If this is indeed the case, the Japanese spelling should be removed as OR. Yuji Naka addressing the name issue once doesn't count.--Atlan (talk) 12:08, 1 December 2008 (UTC)

I don't know if there's any game using the name "Dr. Robotnik" for this character in Japanese, but Sonic Adventure 2 mentions Gerald Robotnik (ジラルド・ロボトニック, Jirarudo Robotonikku). Sega's official websites for Sonic Mega Collection[1][2] mention the game Dr. Eggman's Mean Bean Machine (ドクターエッグマンのミーンビーンマシーン, Dokutā Egguman no mīn bīn mashīn), but the page about this particular game[3] writes that 'at this point, [he] was called "Doctor Robotnik" overseas' (この頃、海外では“ドクターロボトニック”と呼ばれていた, Kono goro, kaigai de wa 'Dokutā Robotonikku' to yobarete ita). I can't think of any other place where I have seen the name "Dr. Robotnik" in Japanese, but I haven't played some of the more recent games. (212.247.11.156 (talk) 14:18, 21 February 2009 (UTC))

Maybe the Japanese spelling of "Robotnik" should be removed because of WP:NOTDICDEF? This character was created in Japan, and his Japanese name is "Doctor Eggman", so it makes sense to write "Doctor Eggman" in Japanese. On the other hand, since the name "Robotnik" was invented in the United States (I guess), maybe it makes less sense to write the name "Robotnik" with Japanese characters. Compare with the articles about Kinopio and Princess Toadstool, where the Japanese names (Kinopio and Peach) are written in Japanese characters, while the Western names (Toad and Toadstool) only are written in Roman letters. (212.247.11.156 (talk) 21:13, 22 February 2009 (UTC))

Here's the profile card from jp. version of Sonic X. http://images4.wikia.nocookie.net/sonic/images/8/82/RobotnikDrEggmanX.png (Just an warning, this profile card is shown after the series tell about the Robotnik Family, in the begining the one shown just says Unknown). As you can see here, the name of the character here says "ロボトニック" so here there it is "Robotnik" jp spelling directly associated to Doctor Eggman without going to Gerald or Maria. 85.240.76.241 (talk) 11:26, 13 December 2009 (UTC)

Anyone care updating the image to the current game?

One that's not a spinoff? It's on the official site now. 156.12.150.206 (talk) 21:22, 4 December 2008 (UTC)

categories

I don't think fictional cyborgs, fictonal robots, or robot supervillians is needed. His inventions are robots, but he's not. Solar Flute (talk) 18:53, 14 December 2008 (UTC)

Fixed.--Kung Fu Man (talk) 18:56, 14 December 2008 (UTC)

Merge pages

Alternate versions of Doctor Eggman should be merged into this page per WP:FAN. I don't see why the antagonist of a single series needs an entire three pages detailing his exploits in various media. While you're at it, there are a heck of a lot of cruft articles that need to be merged into List of characters in Sonic the Comic. I'm just putting that out there, since people are probably too uninterested to deal with it.--_ZXCVBNM 23:31, 28 December 2008 (UTC)

I'd suggest pointing it to the In other media article instead, as such a merge would probably bloat this one with a lot of unnecessary rubbish. I've been prodding this article every once in awhile to try and improve it, though it seems I'm pretty much the only one still doing so...--Kung Fu Man (talk) 23:49, 28 December 2008 (UTC)

I suppose that it would be better merged into the "In other media" Article....which I'm not sure is necessary, but whatever.--_ZXCVBNM 19:00, 29 December 2008 (UTC)

Creations section

This section dissappeared after the edit [4], by Kung Fu man, with the reasoning "I'm cutting out the whole creation's section. It's kinda cruft-y and can be covered better in the article's body as a smaller section."

The Problem is that several other Sonic Articles pointed to that section to cover Egg-O-Matic and EggMobile devices, which now appear no-where on Wikipedia. I Discovered it when I wanted to Link the Sonic 3 article back to it. It's no no-where on the pagfe, and the E-Series article doesn't cover it.

I think that section should still be here - it's information that's important to his Modus operandi, and the only place I can see to add it where it makes sense.

Prehaps going back to an older version - such as [5] Would be useful - it's fairly concise (Aside from possibly the metal sonic part), and covers all the basics.

Thoughts and feelings? 81.149.182.210 (talk) 02:42, 11 February 2009 (UTC)

The problem is it's a bunch of information that either shouldn't be here in this article or should be summarized. All the old section consisted of was in-universe content that helps hold the article back.--Kung Fu Man (talk) 03:04, 11 February 2009 (UTC)

we have an article on Robotnik that barly mentions his Robots (One sentence, saying he's good at robotics) - for such an important part of the chrachter and the games, it really doesn't feel like enough. I feel that this content does have a place on Wikipedia (It's hardly down to the trivial level), but I'm not sure where and how.

BTW, here's the section I was planning on linking from: [[6]] —Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.149.182.210 (talk) 04:36, 11 February 2009 (UTC)

Title

Why is the title of the talk page Talk:Doctor Ivo Eggman Robotnik while the article itself is called Doctor Eggman?

My guess is an unagreed change by some editor. Has been reverted. a little insignificant (talk) 03:04, 19 April 2009 (UTC)

Beatles

I am the Walrus features a line saying "they are the eggman, I am the walrus." Seeing as the Beatles came WAAYY before video games, do you think that this character's name was inspired by the song at all? 75.107.169.62 (talk) 15:40, 19 June 2009 (UTC) I was wondering that too, especially since the line before the ones quoted is 'I am the eggman', I believe the quoted line should be eggmen. Is there any conection to 'I am the Walrus'?(86.25.249.235 (talk) 01:14, 7 July 2009 (UTC)) Actually the song is "I am the Eggman, we are the eggmen, I am the walrus - 90.241.174.108 (talk) 20:14, 17 September 2009 (UTC)

Notice the yellow pantern of the classic design, when the doctor is not grinning, or ect... he looks like an walrus, and since oshima named him eggman, it's preety obvious that it's an tribute to the beatles song. --82.155.199.207 (talk) 20:38, 27 February 2010 (UTC)

Doctor Ivo "Eggman" Robotnik

In a fictional biography sense, Doctor Ivo "Eggman" Robotnik would be the most correct way of writing his full name since well-known nicknames are commonly included like this in biographies. It is the most accurate way to writing the first mention of his name. --74.196.152.123 (talk) 02:21, 16 August 2009 (UTC)

I agree, any objections?--UltraMagnus (talk) 22:25, 18 September 2009 (UTC)

I agree. Mokoniki | talk 23:28, 18 September 2009 (UTC)

Where are you proposing this is applied? I don't think the main version of the character (the Sega games version) has ever been refered to using this way, he's either refered to as "Dr Ivo Robotnik," "Dr Robotnik," or "Dr Eggman" in the games (although I believe other versions like Archie comics have used it). CIGraphix (talk) 03:29, 19 September 2009 (UTC)

Once again, "Ivo" never existed in any Japanese version. To everyone who points at that Tuji Naka interview confirming Eggman is his nickname - Yuji Naka never said that "Ivo" is real name. Ivo is strictly localized fluff that has been forgotten repeatedly and was never even made aware by the Japanese creators. So stop it. We don't know his canon full name. Real name, Dr. Robotnik, alias Dr. Eggman. Period. 156.12.219.88 (talk) 20:08, 21 October 2009 (UTC)

But it's still the only official first name, and until the original creators touch the topic, this is the only game's canon first name that was never contradicted or something simillar, so it's the official first name until something changes, don't try to erase something important to the character. --85.242.249.156 (talk) 23:47, 6 November 2009 (UTC)

Eggman is just a nickname there's no sense in an arugment. Saprissy (talk) 16:54, 27 October 2009 (UTC)

Yeah, but Robotnik hasn't been used in a while, and Eggman is more commonly known. Mokoniki | talk 17:40, 27 October 2009 (UTC)

You need to cite a source CIGraphix (talk) 22:02, 27 October 2009 (UTC)

Lies, Go read the Sonic Unleashed manual, or play Sonic Chronicles, or see the name of the company that make boards in Sonic Riders and etc..., and then tell me that Robotnik isn't used in a while. Of Course the "Eggman" nickname is the one that have more attention nowadays, after all he's was named that by the original creators, but Robotnik is far from forgoten. --85.242.249.156 (talk) 23:54, 6 November 2009 (UTC)

Ah yes, I forgot about those appearances, my mistake. Mokoniki | talk 13:35, 9 November 2009 (UTC)

• Is it too naive an idea to have the title matching the first words of the article? You are of course allowed a redirect at Doctor Ivo "Eggman" Robotnik and any other variants you wsnt. — [[::User:RHaworth|RHaworth]] (talk · contribs) 23:35, 9 November 2009 (UTC)

• The problem is that Eggman is the name more used nowadays and it's the name given by the original creators and by the actual media. If the problem is the matching with the article change the article to "Known by the alias "Dr. Eggman", Dr. Ivo Robotnik..." or something like that. —Preceding unsigned comment added by CookiePinguy (talk • contribs) 17:31, 10 November 2009 (UTC)
• I requested that the page be moved to Doctor Ivo "Eggman" Robotnik as that was a title I hoped would appease all the editors here, and one that had some semblance of consensus--UltraMagnus^speak 21:26, 10 November 2009 (UTC)
• Dr. Ivo "Eggman" Robotnik, It's the best one we can use, we can't please everybody but this is the better way to please the most people out there. Sega themselfs are too ambiguous on this topic about his name. --85.242.77.166 (talk) 21:45, 10 November 2009 (UTC)

He should be named Dr. Eggman. Plain and simple. That is his real name and what he's being called now. Retro freaks need to get over it already. He's not Robotnik anymore. That ended in 2001. I can be mentioned of course, but the fact is that America no longer goes by this name in the games. Oh yeah and manuals =/= games. We just still like saying Robotnik cause people hate what Eggman sounds like. --76.172.215.84 (talk) 05:01, 11 November 2009 (UTC)

• You should check things better you know? As you can read on other comments and other game materials than manual, Robotnik is refered several times after 2001 to today. Even in the japanese version of the anime Sonic X is mentioned that it's his real name in a profile card. --193.136.166.125 (talk) 09:13, 11 November 2009 (UTC)

Continuing my last comment, both of you "Robotnikists" and "Eggmantists" have to accept that the two names were merged, ther is no way to denny it, even Yuji Naka himself said so even if you try to ignore recent mentions like "Robotnik Corp." the Robotnik Family, etc... Robotnik IS the real name, and "Eggman" it's his mad scientist alias, this latter the most used because it's the one that the original creators choose for the character, but "Robotnik" wasn't forgoten it's still a important part of the character. --193.136.166.125 (talk) 09:26, 11 November 2009 (UTC)

Something needs to be done about the page name, since "Eggman" is the currently more common name of the character, it needs to get into the page name - Doctor Ivo "Eggman" Robotnik may be the better page name for now. CIGraphix (talk) 18:09, 21 December 2009 (UTC)

I agree that should move to that page, but not "for now", it should stay on that page. --85.240.79.104 (talk) 10:14, 23 December 2009 (UTC)

And if possible put some protection on the page, to avoid unnecessary edits like Robotnik->Eggman or Eggman->Robotnik.--85.240.79.104 (talk) 10:16, 23 December 2009 (UTC)

I think its simple that Dr. Robotnik is his name and Dr. Eggman and Eggman is a nickname that has escalated into a more common usage. Take the scene in Sonic Adventure 2 when he addresses the world before showing the power of the Eclipse Cannon. He calls himself Dr. Eggman, but the screen behind him says Robotnik Empire. There is also Maria Robotnik and Gerald Robotnik. Dr. Eggman is his universal alias, and Dr. Ivo Robotnik is his real name. This was confirmed by Yuji Naka in an interview. Also in the English versions of Sonic Adventure and Sonic Chronicles: The Dark Brotherhood he briefly refers to himself as Dr. Robotnik. It is therefore very safe to say, since its officially the case, that his real name is that of Dr. Ivo Robotnik with Eggman being a very common nickname. That being said, Wikipedia is not about what people like, its about what is correct. Therefore Dr. Ivo "Eggman" Robotnik is the most correct name for this article since it reflects the official nature of his name. --184.0.132.206 (talk) 02:34, 20 February 2010 (UTC)

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The result of the move request was: Not moved. Please start a separate discussion for any other moves. Ucucha 13:48, 13 February 2010 (UTC)

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Doctor Ivo Robotnik → Doctor Ivo "Eggman" Robotnik —

• result of discussion that seems to have consensus. CIGraphix (talk) 21:51, 4 February 2010 (UTC) CIGraphix (talk) 21:51, 4 February 2010 (UTC)

• • Agreed, it pleases everyone, both names are canon, and this manner to use name actually used in some western Sonic 1 re-releases. --85.242.251.222 (talk) 12:01, 6 February 2010 (UTC)
  • If people want an example up there is one, the genesis/mega drive collection for psp. --85.242.251.222 (talk) 12:04, 6 February 2010 (UTC)
• Infinitely powerful opposition. Doctor Ivo Robotnik is silly in itself; there are two choices - Doctor Robotnik and Doctor Eggman. It's one or the other, not both. Doctor Ivo "Eggman" Robotnik is not a common name given to the character, neither is Doctor Ivo Robotnik. Just move it to Doctor Robotnik and be done with it. - The New Age Retro Hippie used Ruler! Now, he can figure out the length of things easily. 20:38, 7 February 2010 (UTC)
• Support I hate the retcon establishing "Eggman" with a firey passion, but given that the franchise has used "Eggman" for the most part in recent years, it can't be ignored; neither name is primary given the significant past use of Robotnik. --Cybercobra (talk) 00:42, 8 February 2010 (UTC)
  • Using such a name is OR and silly. It's Wikipedians combining two names to make one. - The New Age Retro Hippie used Ruler! Now, he can figure out the length of things easily. 00:43, 8 February 2010 (UTC)
    • I'm not very happy with it either but I'm so sick of the whole Eggman vs Robotnik thing that I don't really care. Also "Dr. Ivo 'Eggman' Robotnik" can be sourced - definitely to Archie (first page of both issues 105 & 106) and probably not the more preferable original medium, the games, but it can be sourced. CIGraphix (talk) 01:48, 8 February 2010 (UTC)
      • It's also a long and clunky name, and very uncommon. We simply need to decide to use either Doctor Robotnik or Doctor Eggman. - The New Age Retro Hippie used Ruler! Now, he can figure out the length of things easily. 05:57, 8 February 2010 (UTC)
        • Any one saying that the name is "invented" by "wikipedians", didn't care to read the several mentions, the name is used in some Sonic 1 re-releases and therefore official. And the name include the two versions, I don't see the problem of its size since the singular names redirect to here anyway. 85.243.137.125 (talk) 19:31, 8 February 2010 (UTC)
          • Okay, fine - it's two extremely common names versus one obscure, long name that only the hardcoriest of fans would ever have heard of. The objective is the common name - we simply have to pick which of the two common names to pick. Bring it up on WP:VG or I shall. - The New Age Retro Hippie used Ruler! Now, he can figure out the length of things easily. 19:35, 8 February 2010 (UTC)
            • Obscure? So the two names are well know, but when they are mentioned together makes them obscure, just because they are mentioned together?... THAT'S MAKE TOTALLY SENSE!!! that's no more that rhetoric talk in an tentative to help supporting your point.

Well OK, let's assume your way, pick one, and continue this useless zig-zag, maybe people have pleasure in that! The "name" is official and have both version of the name so I support the change. --85.243.137.125 (talk) 19:45, 8 February 2010 (UTC)

• • • • • • • • It's not the common name for the character. And see, we rarely ignore naming conventions just because people want to constantly change it. We don't say "oh hey, the two common names clash, so let's use the uncommon name!" See, a complete lack of precedent makes that unworkable. - The New Age Retro Hippie used Ruler! Now, he can figure out the length of things easily. 19:50, 8 February 2010 (UTC)
• Stop changing it. Nifboy (talk) 20:48, 8 February 2010 (UTC)
• What Nifboy said. This unnecessarily lengthens the title of the article for little gain from what I can tell. Redirects are cheap, people, and the actual content of a link (i.e., the stuff that ends up displayed) can be selective. --Izno (talk) 22:24, 8 February 2010 (UTC)
• Strong oppose - the article title should be Doctor Robotnik, since it's his "actual" name. No need for "Ivo" or his nickname, "Eggman". He doesn't even call himself Eggman, it's only a taunt used by Sonic and friends.--_{ZXCVBNM (TALK)} 00:24, 9 February 2010 (UTC)
  • Sorry to disappoint you but (here not to defend opinions, just stating facts now.) "Eggman" it's the name that the original creator gave him, and speaking about English version of the game he's refers to himself several times (Actually all of them) by the alias "Eggman" in Adventure 2 and every game after that, being Robotnik referenced as his real name indirectly (by his family, the company that makes boards for that racing game, game manuals etc...) 85.243.137.125 (talk) 00:48, 9 February 2010 (UTC)
• Oppose Per WP:COMMONNAME, the character was introduced to the western world as Doctor Robotnik, and remained so for more than long enough for it to stick, that should be the name of the article. So long as Eggman is listed as an AKA in the lead and the redirects pointing to the article are suitably strong, everyone should get here when the character is wikilinked and everyone should know what they're looking at. Someoneanother 09:28, 9 February 2010 (UTC)
• Oppose: Wikipedia:Article titles states that "the ideal title is: recognizable, easy to find, precise, concise, and consistent."
  While I'm this suggestion was brought to make the title more precise, it goes counter to having a concise and consistent title. Shorter is better because it makes it easier to find, and no other video game character includes a nickname in the title.
  To add my to two cents to the bigger debate, I think the article title should be either Doctor Robotnik (minus the Ivo) or Doctor Eggman, which ever is the common name. I was introduced to this character as Robotnik and think Eggman is silly, but I have to concede that I've heard Doctor Eggman more in recent years. (Guyinblack25 ^talk 16:37, 10 February 2010 (UTC))
• Oppose: Per common name policy. "Doctor Ivo 'Eggman' Robotnik" isn't common, neither is Ivo Robotnik nowadays. So Eggman and Robotnik are the only possible choices. In my opinion, the article should be moved back to Doctor Eggman again, it is much more commonly used in official materials today, and unlike Robotnik, Eggman has always been the character's name in the original versions, and now it's the worldwide name. It doesn't count what name is the "real name", "full name" or nickname. The common name counts, and without a doubt, Sega has decided in favour of Eggman. --Grandy02 (talk) 15:30, 11 February 2010 (UTC)

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Move to "Doctor Robotnik".

I don't care about Eggman vs. Robotnik. However, as it stands, we should make the best effort to use the common name. At no point does any guideline suggest to us that using a full name is advised. Robotnik's common name is "Doctor Robotnik" or "Doctor Eggman", not "Doctor Ivo Robotnik". Anyone who would have heard of the character in passing would likely only know them as Robotnik or Eggman, and have no idea what's up with the "Ivo" name. - The New Age Retro Hippie used Ruler! Now, he can figure out the length of things easily. 21:44, 16 May 2010 (UTC)

As I stated in the last section, I'm all for moving it back to Doctor Eggman. There was no reason to move the article to Ivo Robotnik in the first place. I have only played very few games with Sonic, and not before the recent years, and in those few games, he is basically always called Eggman. I wouldn't even know that he was ever named Doctor (Ivo) Robotnik from playing those games. Judging by the recent games, Eggman is the by far most common name in offcial media today, so it should be Doctor Eggman. --Grandy02 (talk) 09:18, 17 May 2010 (UTC)

I'm not caring much about it either, but I'd probably prefer "Dr Eggman" since that is the name the character's owners prefer. CIGraphix (talk) 14:18, 17 May 2010 (UTC)

all the games released in SEGA's heyday referred to him as Dr Robotnik, I would therefore think that the common name would be Robotnik.--UltraMagnus^speak 20:27, 17 May 2010 (UTC)

Worth noting: back on Nov 9 2009, User:RHaworth decided to move the article from "Doctor Eggman" to "Doctor Ivo Robotnik" without participating in any discussion on it; and announced his decision during the initial discussion on moving to "Doctor Ivo "Eggman" Robotnik". CIGraphix (talk) 22:05, 17 May 2010 (UTC)

I here are people here letting opinion and nostalgia into this kind of decision, Robotnik was just an location name in the early days back then and retconed to be his real last name everywhere in the world, nothing more. Or you leave it as it is for being the character "birth/real" name, or moving to Dr. Eggman for being the common name, a name used in japan, named by the creator of the character design based of an Beatles' song and for the most time everywhere in the world, around 10/11 years by now, more than Usa's location team originated Robotnik, nothing more. 193.136.166.125 (talk) 22:49, 17 May 2010 (UTC)

PINGAS

This user called "Izno" keeps deleting what I am trying to include in this article. I am writing about the meme AND giving it a resource, so there's no reason not to have it. Who agrees with me? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Autobotprowl (talk • contribs) 21:32, 19 June 2010 (UTC)

Unfortunately I agree with Izno and don't see knowyoumeme.com meeting the standards set by Wikipedia for reliable sources - it appears to be a wiki itself. CIGraphix (talk) 02:08, 20 June 2010 (UTC)

Whatever the case,the word was an inappropriate addition to this article and you definitely have to treat this encyclopedia as an encyclopedia,not a notebook where you jot down whatever you like.Redarrow777 (talk) 15:07, 5 February 2012 (UTC)

Naming

I do not fell Ivo should be in the name at all. It should be either Dr. Robotnik or Dr. Eggman. I personally favor Eggman but I want a vote to see which one is more favored. I am going submit a move request it after a week of voting (maybe longer if nobody votes). JDDJS (talk) 21:37, 5 July 2010 (UTC)

What's the problem with Ivo? Moving from Dr. Eggman just for the sake of it (most likely nostalgic stubbornness) was already bad enough, (I also like more Robotnik, but facts are different than preferences, and Dr. Eggman is the common name, the end.) And why opening ANOTHER topic of it? Almost all of the talk page is about the name non-sense. 85.242.104.1 (talk) 23:20, 6 July 2010 (UTC)

One of the problems with the suggestion that there is no point in opening a new topic is the fact that none of the topics, which show overwhelming opposition to the current title, have any effect. - The New Age Retro Hippie used Ruler! Now, he can figure out the length of things easily. 21:12, 2 August 2010 (UTC)

At this point, I'm about ready to skip all the ineffectual discussion and just undo RHaworth's similarly non-discussed move (if that is possible). The article had existed (mostly) peacefully under "Doctor Eggman" for years until RHaworth unilaterally decided to change it, and the character's creators have obviously chosen Dr Eggman as the character's common name. CIGraphix (talk) 05:29, 5 August 2010 (UTC)

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The result of the move request was: move Deacon of Pndapetzim (Talk) 23:45, 18 January 2011 (UTC)

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Doctor Ivo Robotnik → Doctor Eggman — WP:COMMONNAME. It gets the most results on Google. In all of the recent games they only refer to him as Eggman. Just like it's Bowser (character) and not King Koopa--JDDJS (talk) 23:49, 2 January 2011 (UTC)

• It'd be nice if that argument worked for the Sega Genesis vs. Sega Mega Drive argument as well, but it doesn't (even with quoted search Genesis gets more results, "Sega Genesis" beats "Sega Mega Drive" and "Sega MegaDrive" combined.) Sorry : (
• Robotnik is actually best known as Robotnik. Of course Eggman gets more results in the search engine, it's in the lyrics to a song.--SexyKick 00:03, 3 January 2011 (UTC)
• I did a google search to not include song and Eggman still got more results. see [7] and [8]. JDDJS (talk) 00:12, 3 January 2011 (UTC)

  Robotnik gives 1.26 million, and Eggman gives 841,000 but as I said, it doesn't matter. You'd have better luck changing the Sharpshooter article to be the Scorpion Deathlock article (since it was called Scorpion Deathlock long before the Sharpshooter, and only the WWF/E refers to it as the Sharpshooter while all other promotions refer to it as the Scorpion Deathlock.)--SexyKick 03:37, 3 January 2011 (UTC)

  No Eggman gets 1.36 million Robotnik gets 941,000 and Doctor Ivo Robotnik gets less than 10,000. Idk Where you got your numbers from. JDDJS (talk) 03:44, 3 January 2011 (UTC)

  Google..."Doctor Ivo Robotnik" gave me 15,300 results.--SexyKick 03:57, 3 January 2011 (UTC)

  [9] I got 11,400. Can you show me the link to your results? JDDJS (talk) 04:09, 3 January 2011 (UTC)

  Also to point out Genesis vs MegaDrive argument presented earlier is irrelevant here. The reason that MegaDrive is used is that it is used in Europe and therefore is the official English name in more English speaking countries that Genesis and there is also the fact that Since Google is a US company that could schew the results to the US name. This is not the case for Eggman who is called that in Sega video games in all English speaking countries for several years. The Genesis vs MegaDrive argument would only have been relevant if Robotnik was still being used in some English speaking countries.--76.66.180.54 (talk) 00:27, 4 January 2011 (UTC)

• I'm more of a Robotnik guy, however putting preferences aside, Doctor Eggman is the name used for the character everywhere in the world by Sega since 1999, the company who own the character and it's the name intended for the character since the beginning, and used so by Japan since that time, it should be the title. The article already explains how Robotnik fits in the character, both real world and in Sonic's fictional universe, being still canonical to the character as the real/birth name, so this ground is already covered. Bringing preferences to a impartial article like this in my opinion is a demonstration of immaturity and irresponsibility, leave "Robotnik" opinions to fan-forums and alike. 85.242.250.58 (talk) 15:54, 12 January 2011 (UTC)
• I'd prefer "Doctor Eggman" over "Dr. Eggman", but generally I support a move - Sega are the owners of the character, they determine the common name of the character - they say "Doctor Eggman" or "Dr. Eggman" for short. Personal preferences and Google searches do not matter. As I pointed out in the previous section, this page existed peacefully under "Doctor Eggman" for years before one editor unilaterally changed it to "Doctor Ivo Robotnik". CIGraphix (talk) 03:55, 13 January 2011 (UTC)
• Support to move to Doctor Eggman. The officially accepted name in all regions - as such, the only people who would recognize the name Doctor Robotnik would be people who have played the games before - and we do not do things according to that. - The New Age Retro Hippie used Ruler! Now, he can figure out the length of things easily. 01:03, 17 January 2011 (UTC)
• Support Doctor Eggman is now the most common name for him. Most third-party sources also refer to him as Eggman these days, and pretty much every manual for the new games and the games themselves refers to him as Eggman. If we do keep it at Robotnik, I'd suggest moving it to Doctor Robotnik. The Ivo is unnecessarily clunky, and most people search for simply "Robotnik" than "Ivo Robotnik". Harry Blue5 (talk) 13:15, 17 January 2011 (UTC)
• Strong oppose - Per WP:COMMONNAME, the character was introduced to the western world as Doctor Robotnik, and remained so for more than long enough for it to stick, that should be the name of the article. So long as Eggman is listed as an AKA in the lead and the redirects pointing to the article are suitably strong, everyone should get here when the character is wikilinked and everyone should know what they're looking at.--SexyKick 23:22, 17 January 2011 (UTC)

As other editors have said, Robotnik is no longer the common name. He is no longer called that. All new media refers to him as Eggman. JDDJS (talk) 01:12, 18 January 2011 (UTC)

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Theodore Roosevelt

Under Concept and inspiration it says "A caricature of Theodore Roosevelt was among the proposed designs". There is no source for this on the page, and there is no evidence (that I can find) that he is based on Roosevelt that links back to Sega. Was there originally a source for this? Is this simply a rumor? This needs looking into.