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Meelar (talk) 19:07, 18 November 2011 (UTC) [reply]

Please help to establish notability of the minister from Nigeria you just posted. Just being a minister from Nigeria does not mean the subject is notable. Please review notability guidelines, and then write examples into the article with inline sourcing to external and reliable sources. Happy editing Standard2211 (talk) 20:19, 18 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Ok for Daniel Ajayi-Adeniran. MathewTownsend (talk) 23:55, 25 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]

AFT5 newsletter

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Page Curation update

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Good articles

There are a lot of problems with certain processes on Wikipedia see my comments here.

As to your question on "Diva" see here "I would have thought that the level of civility we should expect here ought set at a higher level that that which would trigger a bar room brawl in parts of England." (you will need to read the full posting for the context). The point being that I strongly suggest that you never use language that you think may give offence, it diverts conversation from the content issue, and gives people who disagree with you a way to divert the conversation away from content, In the long term such comments will be used as a stick to beat you -- pattern of incivility patters of disruption etc. I would not call another editor a diva (it is particularly insulting to female editors) and it encourages a retort in a similar vein which is unlikely to be constructive. As the say in soccer [sic] play the ball not the man.

Not that polite conversation will necessarily protect you from such accusations.

"I'm afraid to continue reviewing GAN's because that will open me up for more attacks. And I have a very poor way of handling attacks." Then edit in another area (there are literally millions of articles to choose from). I don't get mixed up in FA or GAs very often as I think that articles don't need a star -- but I have no objections to those who do.

Also, my "rollback" feature doesn't let me leave an edit summary. I am surprised that you have a rollback feature (I did not get that until I was an admin). Simple don't use it just click on the version you want to revert to start with "rv:" and add an appropriate comment.

-- PBS (talk) 17:41, 4 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

ok, thanks! It's hard to understand what will and what won't trigger a bar room fight. I see others using the same language as I do and so it seems ok. But it isn't. I guess I just have to grow a thick skin, as others have suggested. MathewTownsend (talk) 18:24, 6 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

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Failed GA

Hi Matthew. I'm a bit puzzled by the failure on Talk:Illecillewaet Glacier/GA1. I made changes related to your comments here, and left comments at the nom, but did not hear back from you. At this point I'm not clear on why it was failed. Maybe just a communication error? The image copyright is complicated, and we're waiting to hear back from the Smithsonian on its status (it's pretty much an "OTRS pending" situation.) From your initial review, I thought we were close :( The Interior (Talk) 04:29, 7 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

I'm very sorry. There was a misunderstanding. I'll reply more extensively on your page. MathewTownsend (talk) 14:34, 7 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

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Glacial GA

Barnstar of Integrity
That's why they put those buttons on computers. 7&6=thirteen (☎) 18:39, 7 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

hey, thanks! (I don't always know what "buttons" I can use!) MathewTownsend (talk) 18:48, 7 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Nor do I. But the world would be a far better place if we could emulate your good example, look at the instant replay, do a Facepalm Facepalm and grant a do over. The replacement NFL referees would have benefited from your wisdom and proactive approach. 7&6=thirteen (☎) 18:59, 7 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

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Schloßborn

How do we know that Schloßborn is probably (!) the oldest recorded settlement? - We don't know a record of an older settlement. Until we find a so far unknown record of something older, it's the oldest. How to say that? How do we answer your question? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 19:54, 11 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

that's original research, imo. There are all sorts of records we don't have. Who is the "we" you are talking about? You need a reliable sources stating that, not just your conclusion or an ambiguous "we". MathewTownsend (talk) 20:00, 11 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

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Comments/Changes await

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The Interior (Talk) 21:18, 14 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

ok, will do. MathewTownsend (talk) 21:20, 14 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks for your patience with that review, Mathew. I've got a lot on my plate right now, and it took some time to get things up to spec. Best to you, The Interior (Talk) 21:43, 14 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

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Columbian half dollar

I'm reading that you prefer not to be involved in GA at the present time, so have closed and relisted the GAN. I am grateful for your help with the article and hope you will check in on it when it comes time to take it to FAC. All the best.--Wehwalt (talk) 19:14, 16 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

ok. I'm so sorry. Thanks for letting me know. MathewTownsend (talk) 19:22, 16 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

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English

or lack of it: "be dogged" - what does it mean? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 23:00, 16 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

ps: I performed a refreshing clean-up on my talk and enjoyed your barnstar especially, a keeper, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 10:02, 17 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

(talk page stalker) Gerda, "I'd be dogged" is a polite Southern way of saying "I'd be damned". At least, that's how it's usually used. Doc talk 13:17, 17 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

(edit conflict)

Gerda, that's completely wrong: Don't know where Doc9871 gets that. (Made it up?) According to the dictionary it means: "to follow or track like a dog, especially with hostile intent; hound." (though I don't think you, Gerda, have hostile intent.) MathewTownsend (talk) 13:27, 17 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]
It's not completely wrong: it's just not what you meant. It's a very widespread expression, really. Note that my first-ever post to this talk page back in January was to inform you, Matthew, that you were being dogged by a banned editor.[1] Sorry for butting in - won't happen again ;P Doc talk 13:33, 17 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]
(ec, both) Hard to understand, certainly not intended, neither damn nor track. - "Polite": you (Doc9871) know that I was told Polite is irrelevant. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 13:37, 17 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Page Curation newsletter - closing up!

Hey all :).

We're (very shortly) closing down this development cycle for Page Curation. It's genuinely been a pleasure to talk with you all and build software that is so close to my own heart, and also so effective. The current backlog is 9 days, and I've never seen it that low before.

However! Closing up shop does not mean not making any improvements. First-off, this is your last chance to give us a poke about unresolved bugs or report new ones on the talkpage. If something's going wrong, we want to know about it :). Second, we'll hopefully be taking another pass over the software next year. If you've got ideas for features Page Curation doesn't currently have, stick them here.

Again, it's been an honour. Thanks :). Okeyes (WMF) (talk) 12:07, 17 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

User talk:Iridescent

Continuing to post at that talk page when you have been asked not to do so "unless you have something to say that directly concerns [Iridescent]" is not helping anything or anyone. Please leave the matter for now. BencherliteTalk 22:25, 17 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Just so we're clear

If you post on that page again (having been asked twice not to), or make personal comments about TK again, I will block you from editing. --Floquenbeam (talk) 22:25, 17 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

ok, but Truthseeker88 continually posts about her personal problems at Wikipedia:Today's featured article/requests etc. Perhaps you could ask her to stop getting into personal details on a page that is about nominating articles for the main page. Sorry about her personal concerns, but ... MathewTownsend (talk) 22:30, 17 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Stop it. Now. BencherliteTalk 22:31, 17 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Mathew please post diffs. All of them. And then I'll respond. And even better, please bring the fight to my page. Truthkeeper (talk) 22:33, 17 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]
  • No, no, no. Do not post diffs, instead stop talking about it. TK, I'm trying to end this, but if you ask for diffs, it's hard to end. Better it just gets dropped, yes? Floquenbeam (talk) 22:37, 17 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Agree. Tired of the whole thing. MathewTownsend (talk) 22:42, 17 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]
  • The "secrecy" of my email to Truthkeeper88 appears to have distressed you. I wouldn't mind telling you what was in the email - it wasn't personal - except I'm sure you would then go try to get me in trouble for publicly voicing unproven suspicions. If you'd like, I can email you and tell you what I warned her about, but I don't want to hear you claim afterwards that I am harassing you by email or something; I'm offering to send you one polite email describing my concerns about you, I'll copy an ArbCom member so they can verify it wasn't abusive, and Checkuser would be able to verify if necessary that this is the only email I send you. Is that what you'd like?
By the way, it appears TK88 did not take my advice, and is continuing to talk to you and treat you with respect instead of ignoring you. Her reservoirs of good faith run much deeper than mine.
And please stop calling yourself a newbie; you've been here at least 11 months. --Floquenbeam (talk) 22:00, 18 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]
great to know that you were voicing suspicions about me, and thanks for the failure of good faith. That's pretty much what I've experienced from the old crowd. No thanks, don't want your email. Rather that you keep your bad thoughts about me to yourself (and of course others that you choose to email.) I sent one email to an admin and she distorted it publically at a DR and tried to made it seem like I was doing something bad, so that's pretty much what I expect. The fact that I don't understand the code that you all speak in isn't my fault. I haven't publically tried to get anyone in trouble, but only you know what's in that email. MathewTownsend (talk) 22:23, 18 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Not a newbie anymore

This editor is a
Journeyman Editor
and is entitled to display this Service Badge.

Feel free to update yourself to {{Yeoman Editor}} next month, or if you prefer to go by edit-count rather than period of service, go ahead and replace this with {{Veteran Editor II}}. Welcome to the cabal. Nikkimaria (talk) 15:07, 18 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Indeed. You may even be surprised to learn that you have more edits than I do. WormTT(talk) 15:11, 18 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]
  • Chin up, Mathew. You've got an impressive legacy on the site. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 15:15, 18 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Your revert on my talkpage

I noticed (only because I had a "new messages" bar) that you removed a posting by White Cat on my talkpage. I'm not certain why you removed it. Please let me know if it was an inadvertent misclick, or if you saw something seriously wrong with that post. Thank you. Newyorkbrad (talk) 15:56, 18 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

yes it was a misclick. My mouse seems to have acquired some new functions that it employs unexpectedly. Thanks for not immediately jumping to the conclusion that I am a bad person, as seems to be common around here. I'm sorry for the misclick. I don't know anything about White Cat. I've never removed a post from any page. Best wishes, MathewTownsend (talk) 16:03, 18 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]
I understand completely; the same thing has happened to me a couple of times. Regards, Newyorkbrad (talk) 16:13, 18 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Question about email

Hi Mathew, in case you didn't see it, I left a very detailed response here on my talk about your concerns. Thanks. Truthkeeper (talk) 17:13, 18 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

What difference does the past make it make if the article is clean now? Don't get it. Probably every FA has been hit by sockpuppets or whatever. If the article is good now, why should readers be deprived of it? What good does it do to rehash the ugly wikipedia past? We all know FAs have been screwed up. It's the dawning of a new day; do we have to go through the muck of the olden times? MathewTownsend (talk) 18:35, 18 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Talk page requirements

If you want to refer to something I've said, I'll request that you quote me exactly, with diffs. This is in accordance with WP:TPNO, which says, in part, "Do not misrepresent other people: The record should accurately show significant exchanges that took place, and in the right context. This usually means: Be precise in quoting others." I never said anything remotely suggesting that "edit history" doesn't count, and I do not wish you to misrepresent me in this way. --Moonriddengirl (talk) 21:32, 18 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

I have been following the TFAR situation, and I am sufficiently concerned about your involvement in it. Would you mind toning down the rhetoric, and assuming good faith, and not assuming that everything is a conspiracy? Thanks. --Rschen7754 21:41, 18 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

(edit conflict)}

sorry if I misrepresented you. Since you refused to clarify on your talk page, I'm left to guess what the heck you meant. Please remember that not all of us are oldbies, so stating your comments more clearly would help. Or are you only speaking to the oldbies? I'd appreciate more clarity in your comments. MathewTownsend (talk) 21:43, 18 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]
If you want me to clarify something, talk to me politely. When I am volunteering, I have discretion to choose what I do. I do not respond to innuendos and veiled accusations of bad faith. --Moonriddengirl (talk) 21:48, 18 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]
In spite of your tone, I have attempted to clarify what I'm talking about at my talk page: here. If you have further questions, you're welcome to ask them there, so long as your conversation remains polite. It will also be helpful if you don't assume that I have full context of what you're talking about. The extent of my involvement with this article has taken place in my talk space. --Moonriddengirl (talk) 22:22, 18 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

"Newbie"

You've been here for almost a year now. Continuing to insist that you are a "newbie" being purposely left out of the "old crew" isn't helping you anywhere; if anything, you're creating a self-fufilling prophecy by poisoning the pot against you. Like any regular company or website, everyone has their own institutional memory—for example, I've been here since 2006, yet I have no idea what MRG and Truthkeeper are talking about. So, in short: please stop. Your attitude got old a long time ago. Thanks in advance. Ed [talk] [majestic titan] 21:51, 18 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

yeah I'm sick of the whole thing. My personality has changed since I started here. As long as I was a work horse, everything was fine. But the first time I ventured an opinion, my comments distorted, I was personally attacked, etc. ok, that's wikipedia. But the oldies are treated better; they defend personal attacks on me and they never apologize when they're wrong. It's not worth being a work horse that's not allowed an opinion. MathewTownsend (talk) 22:03, 18 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]
p.s. I'm a volunteer also, and I started out with a good attitude. But of course, Moonriddengirl and Truthkeeper are more important. I've stopped reviewing GA's and pretty much stopped editing articles and cleaning up. Not worth the abuse. It comes from a nasty few, but nonetheless as they tend to follow me around to make their points. Ugh! MathewTownsend (talk) 22:08, 18 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Generally speaking, treating all older editors with bad faith won't endear you to, well, anyone. Might I suggest addressing your own attitude before blaming others? Ed [talk] [majestic titan] 22:13, 18 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]
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