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Re: Argentine economic crisis (1999–2002)

The issue is that a depression is much worse than a simple crisis and statistics show that what ocurred in Argentina wasn’t a mere crisis, but a severe downturn, namely a depression. The fact that it was a depression doesn’t exclude it of having been a crisis to some extent, however, the term crisis is very loose and generic so it is necessary to specify, as a deceleration could be tagged as a crisis without not even having occurred a recession.

Definition of a depression is as follows:
  • A decline in real GDP exceeding 10%.
  • A recession lasting 2 or more years.
Argentine economic performance:
  • Only in 2002 it shrank 11%. Overall decline was greater than 20%.
  • The economy’s contraction lasted for 4 years.

Many economists and eminent organizations have called it a "depression", and some even as a "great depression", and it is indisputable that it met the criteria for being a depression:

Argentina Since Default: The IMF and the Depression, Center for Economic and Policy Research

But this approach has failed for more than four years, as the economy remains mired in a depression, with a loss of more than 20 percent of GDP since the last business cycle peak in 1998.

Argentina’s collapse: Scraping through the great depression, The Economist

Argentina: Depression, Revolt and Recovery, James Petras

Between 1998 – 2002, Argentina experienced the worse socio-economic crises in its history. The economy nose-dived from recession to full scale depression, culminating in double digit negative growth in 2001 – 2002.

Ignorance and Influence: U.S. Economists on Argentina’s Depression of 1998-2002, Kurt Schuler

What Can We Learn from the 1998–2002 Depression in Argentina?, United States Federal Reserve Bank of Minneapolis

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The economy of Argentina finds itself submerged in a great depression that, even if it began four years ago, deepened after mid 2001 with average quarterly falls of deseasonalized GDP with respect to the previous quarter of 5 percent for the last two quarters of 2001 and the first of 2002. This violent deepening of the recession occurred just at the moment that economic agents, almost universally, became convinced of the impossibility of sustaining the Convertibility Plan. (...) Argentina was the poster child for “Washington consensus” economists and policymakers. Less than three years later, Argentina found itself in an economic depression as severe as any in a moderately industrialized country over the past century. It could secure emergency funding from the IMF only after seemingly endless negotiations.

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Although it started more slowly than the U.S. Great Depression, the 1974–90 great depression in Argentina lasted longer and resulted in a larger deviation in output from potential as measured by the 2 percent growth path. Figure 2 shows that between 1974 and 1990, real output per working-age person fell by almost 44 percent compared to the 2 percent growth path, with a decline of almost 25 percent in the first decade. Notice that this economic performance was horrible even ignoring the trend—real output per working-age person fell 23 percent, making the period 1974–90 in Argentina a great depression by any reasonable definition. Over the period 1990–98, except for a brief downturn in 1995 associated with the Tequila Crisis, Argentina boomed, with cumulative growth almost 17 percent more than the 2 percent growth path (37 percent ignoring the trend). Starting in 1998, however, Argentina entered yet another great depression, with real output per working-age person falling by more than 29 percent by 2002, compared to the 2 percent growth path (23 percent ignoring the trend). As noted by the Argentine government in the earlier quotation, the decline was particularly severe in 2001 and 2002.

Britain is following Argentina on the road to ruin, The Telegraph

In 1998, Argentina entered what was to become a savage depression.


By the way, the title is not even correct, since the depression began in 1998, not in 1999, as one can see when quarterly data are evaluated, so the title must be changed. Nacho Mailbox18:49, 23 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you for your thorough response, it's clear that you are more familiar with this stuff than I am. Put the way you did, the article should be renamed, and the references you provided above included in the article as well. Would you like to start a move request at the article's page, or directly proceed to moving the article to its new name? Needless to say, I support the move.--Jetstreamer Talk 21:13, 23 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Flight International

Peace be with you Jetstreamer, how are you doing? I just wanna pop by to inform you on how you could improve your referencing skills, particularly with the magazine Flight International since I can see that you use this resource quite extensively. If you haven't already, I recommend you treat this resource as a journal from now on, and so this would mean that it should be listed under the "Bibliography" section of any article. I suggest you use this referencing format within the article:

Author Year, page number(s). If there is no author, use Flight International.

And use this template, filled out with the relevant details, at the end of the article:

{{Cite journal |title= |url= |magazine=Flight International |date= |issue= |volume= |page= (page range if the article spans multiple pages) |location=London, UK |publisher=Reed Business Information |archiveurl= |archivedate= |issn=0015-3710}}

The issue and volume numbers can be found on the first or second page of that particular edition. For example, this is the first page of the 13 October 1999 edition, and at the top left it says "Number 4698 Volume 156". These are the issue and volume numbers. --Sp33dyphil ©hatontributions 05:45, 2 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]

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Upload

I am not vast in information technology but that does not make my research a trash. You may wish to upload it the way that seems best to you.197.210.248.57 (talk) 02:31, 4 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]

I don't know what are you talking about.--Jetstreamer Talk 12:29, 4 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]

/* Airlines and destinations */

Air France,El Al and Iran Air are also fly in manila in a past years but now it's now a terminated destination.check your facts.

I have to check nothing, it's you the one that added unsourced content. See WP:BURDEN. I just reverted your changes and warned you. By the way, you should sign your posts.--Jetstreamer Talk 13:01, 10 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]

DYK for Transportes Aéreos Nacionales

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Béchar

hi Jetstreamer

about Air Algérie, i know the city Béchar and it called "Béchar" not Béjar in spain . --Houcinovic (talk) 17:38, 13 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, you are right. It's been fixed.--Jetstreamer Talk 00:13, 15 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Lao Airlines Flight 301

Why is a ref needed in the lede for the flight number? Per WP:LEDE, there shouldn't be refs in the lede, which should be a summary of the article. If you want to use the ref in the article, feel free to extract facts from the source and reference them in the usual way. Will you please revert your edit? Mjroots (talk) 10:29, 17 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]

I concur, but there's no need to wipe the source out. You can simply move it to other sections of the article. Flight International is one of the most reliable sources in the aviation industry. Don't you think the reference should stay? If not, you're free to remove it.--Jetstreamer Talk 10:34, 17 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Agree that Flight International is an excellent source, which I checked when forming the article, but at the time they had nothing to contribute that wasn't already references. Will check the source and see if there's anything new which can be used now. Mjroots (talk) 10:40, 17 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Managed to find something new from Flight Global . Mjroots (talk) 10:50, 17 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]
That's great!--Jetstreamer Talk 13:59, 17 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]

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added links pointing to Muscat, Sharjah, Sanaa, Merowe and Wau
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added a link pointing to Carnot
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Uploading Images

Hello, I successfully uploaded the image File:US Airways E175 at MHT.jpg. However, the image has been rotated. Is this because the original image's dimensions were not appropriate? How can I fix this problem? Thanks. Sunnya343 (talk) 23:47, 19 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Have you uploaded it to Commons? If so, you can request a rotation.--Jetstreamer Talk 23:48, 19 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]
No, I have not. I can't upload the same file, at least with the same name, onto Commons. So should I still upload the same image, with a different file name, and then request rotation? Sorry, I'm quite new to Wikipedia. Sunnya343 (talk) 23:53, 19 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]
No problem, you may ask all the questions you want. I'll be posting a question here on how to rotate your image, as I don't know the way to do that.--Jetstreamer Talk 23:58, 19 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Hello there Wikipedians! Does anyone know how to rotate the image above? The author uploaded it landscape. Thanks in advance.--Jetstreamer Talk 23:58, 19 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Hi there. I have rotated the image and have also created a version that's not so blue. If the original colours are preferred, the file can be reverted back to there. Cheers, -- Diannaa (talk) 00:18, 20 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks, Diannaa. Will notify the uploader.--Jetstreamer Talk 00:34, 20 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Can you keep an eye on this page? Someone keeps un-disambiguating Tehran, Istanbul, and Moscow (since those cities have more than one airport with passenger service). I have left a message at the IP's talk page. Thanks! Snoozlepet (talk) 02:07, 24 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]

TK to Lahore

Now officially announced by TK: http://www.turkishairlines.com/en-int/corporate/news/news/turkish-airlines-launches-a-new-route-to-lahore. 68.119.73.36 (talk) 05:56, 27 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]

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DYK nomination of Agence et Messageries Aérienne du Zaïre

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DYK for Agence et Messageries Aérienne du Zaïre

The DYK project (nominate) 08:03, 30 October 2013 (UTC)

PLUNAs CRJ

Hey there, I did some research again and it was my mistake. Cosmo indeed bought them so the information is correct. They just never flew them and tried to lease them out as soon as they got them at the auction. Sorry for any confusion! --84.156.5.176 (talk) 14:32, 30 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]

No problem. Glad to see this is solved. --Jetstreamer Talk 14:33, 30 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Hello there Wikifellas! I've tried to set the counter in my user page for the template above to provide a live count of my edits. Maybe (most likely!) I did something wrong, because neither this version nor this other one seems to be working. The number of edits stood at 28397. It is supposed to provide a live count, right? Thanks in advance for your time. Regards.--Jetstreamer Talk 19:34, 30 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Hi, Jetstreamer – have you tried taking the userbox out of the boxboxtop template and letting it appear on its own? I did this on my user page and it works okay. – Paine Ellsworth CLIMAX! 04:40, 31 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]
I think maybe I see what you mean – there is a very different tally on X!'s Edit Counter page than in the user box on my user page. You may need to go directly to the creator of that user box to see what's up. – Paine Ellsworth CLIMAX! 05:09, 31 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks for your response. For the record, I tried to put the template out of the boxboxtop and nothing changed. Will contact the creator.--Jetstreamer Talk 21:38, 31 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]
You're very welcome! In addition to X!'s page, which is found at the bottom of our contribution pages, is this global account manager. My edit counts don't jive from one to the other nor to the user box edit count. I wonder which is correct, if any of them? – Paine Ellsworth CLIMAX! 00:54, 1 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Austral airfleet 22!!!

This is the source.

Vivo en la Argentina y leo los diarios y noticias, aparte es oficial querido.

http://www.aerolineas.com.ar/es-AR/Prensa/Comunicado/3151_aerolineas-argentinas-recibio-un-nuevo-embraer--e-190-erj

Son 22 aviones operativos en Autral.