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Property section in "Women in China"

I'm a student at Rice University, and as part of a class I would like to add a section to the article Women in China on women's property rights. I'll be describing the change in women's property rights since reforms at the beginning of 1900s through now. If anyone has any input or sources could use, please let me know! Santatijay (talk) 00:41, 20 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Nice to see another Rice student here! Property rights for women in China, both in rural and urban settings seems to be a very productive line of inquiry; a quick general Google search pulled up a number of potential sources. Of course, property rights have changed a lot over the years, too - depending on the depth you want to go to, it may be possible to give a high-level overview in the Women in China page and provide a link to a primary article devoted entirely to the idea. TI. Gracchus (talk) 02:14, 20 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Welcome to Wikipedia, Santatijay! For women's property rights in the Republican period (1911-1949), you should probably start with Kathryn Bernhardt's Women and Property in China, 960-1949 (1999). It's not the newest book, but nothing has really replaced it, and it will give you a nice long-term perspective on your topic. For more recent times, there are interesting bits in Women, Gender and Rural Development in China (2011), a collection of articles. There are long excerpts available on Google Books here. You can conveniently look up "property rights" or anything you want in the search box on the left-hand side. All right, this should get you started! Madalibi (talk) 00:58, 25 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Plan to revise "Migration in China"

I plan to revise the entry migration in China as part of my class assignment in Rice University. I plan to add more information on history and origin so as to provide more detailed information on the hukou system, which is closely associated with many social issues regarding internal migration. Moreover, I plan to add information on migrant children's education, left-behind children and labor standard violation, which are the central government's three main concerns at the moment in terms of migration. It's easy to find references analyzing these social issues by using google scholar and jstor. But it's difficult to find scholar/reliable references on a possible hukou reform and updated policies on these three significant issues (I can only find some news reports and oral talks from some officials in terms of new policies). If anyone can recommend some references regarding related policies, it would be nice for you to leave a message here. Any suggestion is also welcome. Feihuamengxue (talk) 01:46, 22 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]

The Chinese central government is notoriously opaque. Trying to get an idea of how major policies may change is often extremely difficult. If you succeed you will be able to add some extremely valuable information to that article. However, it may be difficult to avoid running afoul of Wikipedia's policies on original research, which can be found here: WP:NOR. I look forward to seeing what you and your fellow Rice students are able to do, and will help as I can. TI. Gracchus (talk) 03:47, 22 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you for your remind, which is also my main concern. I don't include revision of policies in my proposal because I found it difficult to find enough information. But I will try. I will also be careful with a neutral tone and NOR policies. Feihuamengxue (talk) 00:33, 25 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]

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Looking up RS info on Mainland Chinese companies

What are the best sources for reliable sources about Mainland Chinese companies?

  • One I want to research is the Dongguan White Swan Paper Products Co., Ltd. (S: 东莞市白天鹅纸业有限公司, P: Dōng​guǎn​shì Bái Tiān​'é Zhǐyè Yǒu​xiàn​gōng​sī) or "White Swan Paper Products" in short, which makes the toilet paper brand "Babroy" (S: 贝柔, T: 貝柔, P: Bèiróu). (I think they also have "Babroy" brand diapers). The English website is here.

This seems to be a Chinese government website talking about "Beirou" http://www.crmcn.cn/en/beirou.php

I think articles on Mainland Chinese brands would be very useful, just as we have articles on American brands. WhisperToMe (talk) 03:23, 26 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Plan to Revise "Income inequality in China"

I plan to edit the article entitled Income inequality in China as part of a course assignment in Education Program:Rice University/Human Development in Global and Local Communities, Section 2 (Spring 2014). Income inequality in China is a pressing issue which currently directly affects a massive proportion of China’s population and economy, yet which receives relatively little coverage on Wikipedia. The article in its current state is not well-cited or formatted, and it does not address many of the important aspects of the issue.

I've just discovered the article on Rural urban income inequality in China which is in a similar state to this one. I'm considering combining the articles in order to consolidate the information into one more easily accessible and comprehensive article. Do any wikipedians have an opinion on this change? I hope to provide an overview, go over the history and origins, cover major factors, and discuss the different impacts of income inequality in China, including rural-urban income inequality. If you have any comments, suggestions, or revisions, please let me know!

Here is an outline of my proposed revisions:

1. History

a. Great Leap Forward
b. Cultural Revolution
c. Opening

2. Current State

a. Factors

3. Impact

a. Migration
b. Gender
c. Class

4. Policy Recommendations

Here are some of the sources I plan on using:

Benjamin, Dwayne, Loren Brandt, and John Giles. “The Evolution of Income Inequality in Rural China.” Economic Development and Cultural Change 53, no. 4 (July 2005): 769–824. doi:10.1086/428713.

Chen, Jian, and Belton M. Fleisher. “Regional Income Inequality and Economic Growth in China.” Journal of Comparative Economics 22, no. 2 (April 1996): 141–164. doi:10.1006/jcec.1996.0015.
Fan, C. Cindy. “Rural-Urban Migration and Gender Division of Labor in Transitional China.” International Journal of Urban and Regional Research 27, no. 1 (2003): 24–47. doi:10.1111/1468-2427.00429.
Hertel, Thomas, and Fan Zhai. “Labor Market Distortions, Rural–urban Inequality and the Opening of China’s Economy.” Economic Modelling 23, no. 1 (January 2006): 76–109. doi:10.1016/j.econmod.2005.08.004.
Huang, Youqin. “Gender, Hukou, and the Occupational Attainment of Female Migrants in China (1985 - 1990).” Environment and Planning A 33, no. 2 (2001): 257 – 279. doi:10.1068/a33194.
Kuijs, Louis, and Tao Wang. China’s Pattern of Growth: Moving to Sustainability and Reducing Inequality. SSRN Scholarly Paper. Rochester, NY: Social Science Research Network, November 1, 2005. http://papers.ssrn.com/abstract=849385.
Riskin, Carl, Renwei Zhao, and Shi Li. China’s Retreat from Equality: Income Distribution and Economic Transition. M.E. Sharpe, 2001.
Walder, Andrew G. “Markets and Income Inequality in Rural China: Political Advantage in an Expanding Economy.” American Sociological Review 67, no. 2 (April 2002): 231. doi:10.2307/3088894.
Wong, Edward. “Survey in China Shows a Wide Gap in Income.” The New York Times, July 19, 2013, sec. World / Asia Pacific. http://www.nytimes.com/2013/07/20/world/asia/survey-in-china-shows-wide-income-gap.html.
Yao, Shujie. “Economic Growth, Income Inequality and Poverty in China under Economic Reforms.” Journal of Development Studies 35, no. 6 (1999): 104–130. doi:10.1080/00220389908422604.
Zhong, Hai. “The Impact of Population Aging on Income Inequality in Developing Countries: Evidence from Rural China.” China Economic Review 22, no. 1 (March 2011): 98–107. doi:10.1016/j.chieco.2010.09.003.
GavinCross (talk) 00:18, 28 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Hi there, sounds like a worthwhile project. If you want to marge the two pages I suggest that you place the code {{Merge from |OtherPage |discuss=Talk:OtherPage#Merge discussion |date=March 2014}} on the page that will remain after the merger (which I assume will be Income inequality in China). I would then copy the text above to the new talk page section. This will allow interested parties to support, oppose or modify your proposal. Once you have concensus, you can go ahead with the merge. If no one comments after a month, be bold and go ahead with the merge anyway. Please read this for more info if you haven't done so already. If you need any further help please feel free to leave a message at my talk page. Good luck ► Philg88 ◄ talk 04:59, 3 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Interwiki problem for Taiwanese Mandarin

Currently on Wikidata, the English Wikipedia article Taiwanese Mandarin links to zh:中華民國國語 on the Chinese Wikipedia. However, on the Chinese Wikipedia there are multiple articles spread around various similar but distinct topics, namely zh:臺灣國語 (lit. "Taiwan national language") and zh:台灣華語 (lit. "Taiwan Mandarin"). Is the current interwiki link to zh:中華民國國語 (lit. "Republic of China national language") desirable, or should it be changed? --benlisquareT•C•E 04:07, 3 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]

I really think it should be changed to zh:臺灣國語. (1) zh:中華民國國語 is explicitly about "Mandarin" in the Republic of China from 1912 onward, so it obviously has a larger scope than Taiwanese Mandarin. (2) Guoyu 國語 is the most commonly recognized name for Mandarin in Taiwan, so, simply by virtue of its name, zh:臺灣國語 would seem like the best candidate. (3) There seems to be a content fork between zh:台灣華語 and zh:臺灣國語. All zh:台灣華語 does is present distinctions proposed by a Taiwanese linguist without going into details about the characteristics of "台灣華語". These definitions are interesting, but they could easily be integrated into the more fleshed out zh:臺灣國語, which would then become the only candidate for an interwiki link to Taiwanese Mandarin. Madalibi (talk) 04:31, 3 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Another argument in support of zh:臺灣國語 is that Taiwanese Mandarin is already linked to zh-yue:臺灣國語 on Cantonese Wikipedia. Note that zh:臺灣國語 is wrongly linked to pt:dialeto min-nan (should be Minnan dialect or Min Nan) on Portuguese Wikipedia. Madalibi (talk) 04:45, 3 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]
On closer reading, to me it seems that 中華民國國語 covers a whole load of historical details and information, whilst 臺灣國語 is more focused on linguistics, such as vocabulary and phonetics. In fact, the 中華民國國語 article seems much broader than Mandarin used in Taiwan, and talks about historical Mandarin usage during the ROC era in general. I too think that 臺灣國語 is a better fit. --benlisquareT•C•E 05:05, 3 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]

New template to make inputting pinyin that much easier

I made a new template {{pinyin}} that takes inputs like Chao2zhou1 Nu4 Han4 and converts them to properly toned pinyin like Cháozhōu Nù Hàn. This makes inputting pinyin much easier, no more looking for special characters! You can use it like {{pinyin|input}}, or you can even use it with {{subst:pinyin}} so that you don't look lazy in diffs and wikitext! (jk) The template also takes care of "v"s and turns them into ü (u with umlauts) like most pinyin IMEs, and the common lue/nue mistake (they should have umlauts). Please try it out and give some feedback, as there might be things that I've missed. _dk (talk) 03:51, 4 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Looks useful, but perhaps you should recommend that it always be substituted. Kanguole 10:00, 6 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]
That's a good point! I'll update the documentation. _dk (talk) 16:15, 6 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Requested move of Kaohsiung

This move request of a major metropolis needs more attention. "My master, Annatar the Great, bids thee welcome!" 16:20, 6 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]

This move request has been closed as "Oppose". Madalibi (talk) 00:29, 7 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]

AfC submission - 06/03

User:Tangshiq/sandbox/. FoCuSandLeArN (talk) 00:03, 7 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Hi FoCuSandLeArN. Maybe I'm missing something, but the content of this page looks a lot like the identically titled Sanlitun, which was created in 2004! The latest edit on that page is by the AfC nominator, so he or she knows about that page. Cheers, Madalibi (talk) 00:26, 7 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Oh, thanks for the heads-up! FoCuSandLeArN (talk) 10:52, 7 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]
You're welcome! Come again if you need any help! Madalibi (talk) 13:48, 7 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]

To WPChina editors, please help with any Chinese sources for Malaysia Airlines Flight 370

Malaysia Airlines Flight 370 is missing and has likely crashed. Most of the passengers were Chinese and the flight was bound for Beijing. If anyone wishes, help with Chinese sources in the future will be appreciated. WhisperToMe (talk) 07:01, 8 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Latest Xinhua News Agency report @ 12:09 08/03/14 China time here► Philg88 ◄ talk 08:47, 8 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]

I would like some help with this question: What is China Southern Airlines doing in response to the crash? (China Southern codeshared on MH370) Are they sending employees/crews to deal with grieving loved ones? Do they have separate response hotlines? (I know some passengers booked tickets via CZ, but I want to know more about what the airline is doing). I tried searching "MH370 中国南方航空" and there seem to be Chinese articles mentioning "南航" in relation to MH370

Also I would like to know if there is any special information on the role of the Crowne Plaza Beijing Lido hotel (北京丽都皇冠假日酒店), the hotel used to house families of crash victims, and one where MAS officials held press conferences. Why was it chosen? (a BBC reporter stated it is close to Capital Airport Terminal 3, but did any airport officials say it was chosen for that reason?) - Was the hotel known for being something else before the crash? Is it designated as a place to hold families of air accident victims? WhisperToMe (talk) 18:28, 8 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Is anyone able to check if any of these three Chinese artists on MH370 can get articles?

English articles:
Chinese article: "馬航失聯客機MH370有24名中國畫家." Epoch Times. March 8, 2013.
Artists identified by The Star as being notable:
  • Meng Gaosheng (蒙高生), vice president of the China Calligrapher Association, calligrapher
  • Liu Rusheng (劉如生)
  • Wang Linshi (王林诗/王林詩) - mistakenly written as "Wang Linsi"?

WhisperToMe (talk) 03:09, 9 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Here is a recent Sina article on Meng Gaosheng. Are there are any articles about him before the flight disappearance? He could easily be Wikipedia notable if we find an article on him.

WhisperToMe (talk) 03:19, 9 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Also:

WhisperToMe (talk) 03:27, 9 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Note:

WhisperToMe (talk) 03:47, 9 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]

  • There are plenty of other possible Chinese sources to use, we should try avoiding citing the Epoch Times. It's not considered a reliable for many topics/subjects, although this isn't necessarily one of them. -- Ohc ¡digame! 03:52, 9 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]

This Xinhua source says: "Meng Gaosheng, a member of the Chinese calligraphy artist association, led a 24-member delegation for an art exchange scheduled on March 5 in Malaysia. His calligraphy work were highly sought after by connoisseurs at domestic auctions in October, according to media reports."

WhisperToMe (talk) 04:25, 9 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]

AfC submission 12/03

Wikipedia talk:Articles for creation/Liu Yiming. FoCuSandLeArN (talk) 14:27, 12 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]

The article Liu Yiming has already been created by User:Xuanying, the author of the AfC submission. -Zanhe (talk) 19:06, 12 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Hi FoCuSandLeArN. Yes, it seems the user couldn't wait. The date of creation is 23:50, 11 March 2014, which, oddly enough, was before the AfC submission. In all fairness, the article is quite fleshed out and deserves to be in main space! Madalibi (talk) 00:19, 13 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks for that! It does seem like a good enough article. Regards, FoCuSandLeArN (talk) 17:17, 13 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]

What is the headquarters of the fast food chain Dicos and what is the full corporate name

Regarding the Chinese fast food chain Dicos (Dekeshi) the "Contact Us" on the website pointed to a building in Chengdu.

However when I checked the internet domain registration, I saw: http://whois.domaintools.com/dicos.com.cn - http://www.webcitation.org/6O5Sjg1SN - 天津顶巧餐饮服务咨询有限公司 and I also found: 天津德克士食品开发有限公司 (Tianjin Dicos Foods Co., Ltd.) which is based in 天津经济技术开发区第三大街11号 300457 No.11.3rd Avenue.T.E.D.A.Tianjin http://www.b2b98.com/qiye/shengshi/tianjin/8964.htm - I have also seen the translated name Tianjin Dicos Food Development Co.,Ltd.

So what is the actual corporate name for Dicos? What is the headquarters of the entity? WhisperToMe (talk) 07:49, 15 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Dear WikiProject China users,

I am adding as much Mandarin as I can to the Commons gallery Commons:Search vehicles of Malaysia Airlines Flight 370 but please add more and/or revise the translations if you think they need to be improved.

Since the majority of the passengers come from Mainland China, it is very important that we include Mandarin to support Chinese users.

Thank you WhisperToMe (talk) 08:46, 15 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Wikipedia talk:Articles for creation/Introduction to Professor Dong Guanzhi

Dear China experts: This old abandoned Afc submission appears to be about a notable professor, but it has no references. These would likely not be in English. I am willing to edit the tone of the article, but I can't look for references myself. Should this article be kept an improved, or should it be deleted as an unsourced stale draft? —Anne Delong (talk) 12:52, 15 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Hi Anne Delong, and thank you for thinking of us! Dong Guanzhi's page at the "Shenzhen Tourism College of Jinan University" (here) contains a lot of the information I read in the draft. Dong also seems to be an active blogger. He has a lot of books and articles under his name, but at first sight (10 minutes searching Google and Google Books as a fluent reader of Chinese), they don't seem to be particularly influential in any field, as WP:ACADEMICS requires. Google Books, for example, shows that his work is cited in other publications, but not very often, and usually in footnotes rather than as central to a discussion.[1]. Dong is very active as a consultant, and many websites where his columns or articles get published call him "a famous scholar on tourism", but this in and of itself does not constitute notability. Someone may be able to establish notability with other sources, but this would probably demand a large amount of time and effort, or good knowledge of Dong's field, which is something I unfortunately don't have. I hope these comments can help you decide what to do with the draft. Cheers! Madalibi (talk) 14:34, 15 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Looks like an identical article was created the same day ours was at Baidu[2] perhaps by the same editor. Dougweller (talk) 17:04, 15 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you both for taking time to check this out. Since Madalibi didn't find extensive sources, it's not likely worthwhile to totally rewrite this to avoid copyright problems, so I have nominated it for deletion. If he's notable, perhaps someone will make an article about him in the future that is written specially for Wikipedia. —Anne Delong (talk) 20:59, 15 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Yes, this sounds reasonable! Madalibi (talk) 02:57, 16 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Move request to decapitalize all Chinese dynasty articles

There's a move request to decapitalize "dynasty" in the Chinese dynasty articles, as in Han Dynasty → Han dynasty. For more information and to give your input, see [3]. --Cold Season (talk) 17:48, 15 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Ancient Chinese states renames

See Talk:Chen (state) where many ancient Chinese states are up for renaming -- 70.50.151.11 (talk) 05:53, 20 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Wikipedia talk:Articles for creation/Jiang Dingzhi and Jiang Dingzhi

Dear China experts: This old Afc submission is shortly to be deleted as a stale draft. It has quite a bit more information than the mainspace article. Should anything be transferred from the draft before it disappears? If so, we can keep the attribution by changing the draft into a reirect (perhaps Jiang Dingzhi (politician)) —Anne Delong (talk) 17:42, 24 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Hi again, Anne! I just added some basic info to Jiang Dingzhi, and turned the impossibly long paragraph of the Afc into a list. I also trimmed all the redundant "Jiangsu province, PRC" info, worked on capitalization, and added links to most place names. Finally, I've transferred the four "other sources" to the main article where everybody can see them. But the draft still contains more detailed info than the main article, so it would be too bad to lose it. I'm a bit short on time, though. One way of keeping the information without doing too much grunt work would be to transfer the entire list to Talk:Jiang Dingzhi and let interested editors integrate the relevant info as they see fit. Another way would be to move the list directly into the "Career" section of the article. Do let us know what you think is best! Cheers! Madalibi (talk) 00:40, 25 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Wikipedia talk:Articles for creation/Lan Yu

Dear China experts: Here's another old Afc submission that will soon be gone. It will need someone who can read the references to tell whether this is a notable topic. —Anne Delong (talk) 02:11, 25 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]

About half of the reference links still work and appear to be acceptable secondary sources. It seems that most of the content of the article is well-supported. Lan Yu appears to me to be at least as notable as the other fashion designers in the China category of this list whose entries haven't been challenged for notability. That said, I'm still a relatively unexperienced, and the criteria for notability are both subjective and debatable by reasonable people.
If anyone is more familiar with fashion or biography notability guidelines, I'd value a second opinion, but to me it seems like this article just needs in-line citations and maybe an extra source or two to get it up to snuff. TI. Gracchus (talk) 18:53, 25 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Also, a quick google search reveals many English-language sources, including one that places Lan Yu on Forbes' China "Top 30 Under 30" list. TI. Gracchus (talk) 18:57, 25 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]
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