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March 31

Henri de Schomberg

The article states de Schomberg died on April 17, 1632 yet he won the Battle of Castelnaudary on Sept. 1, 1632, this makes no sense, an expert on French history needs to resolve this. — Preceding unsigned comment added by ElkeWylie (talk • contribs) 02:21, 31 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]

I see some ghits stating he died on November 17, and one that he died on September 17, but they don't look like reliable sources. Clarityfiend (talk) 02:42, 31 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]

His daughter Jeanne-Armande, born March 1633, is said to have been born posthumously [1], so that narrows things down a bit. Many reliable-looking sources give the year of death as 1632, but none mention the date. הסרפד (call me Hasirpad) 03:04, 31 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]

And here is a bibliography of articles that mention his death—all from 1633. הסרפד (call me Hasirpad) 03:06, 31 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Silly me. The same source gives his date of death as 17 November, which I assume is derived from the sources cited there. הסרפד (call me Hasirpad) 03:07, 31 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]

A eulogy from 1633 does not give his date of death. הסרפד (call me Hasirpad) 03:12, 31 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]

This source, apparently reliable, gives the November date as a fact, and also cites in full a letter by someone named Louis (no surname—how odd!) that mentions, on the 22nd of November 1632, De Schomberg's recent death. הסרפד (call me Hasirpad) 03:18, 31 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]

This 19th century source cites this contemporary source (the Mercure françois), but the cited matter does not appear on that page. הסרפד (call me Hasirpad) 03:25, 31 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]

The 18th century index of the contemporary Gazette de France quotes their original article on De Schomberg's death, with 17 November 1632 as the date of death. (The passages attributed to the Mercure françois in the previous source appear verbatim here.) The original should appear here, though I have not succeeded in finding it yet. הסרפד (call me Hasirpad) 03:36, 31 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]

And here, at last, in the original Gazette de France 1632 article: 17 November 1632 ("one hour after noon") it is. הסרפד (call me Hasirpad) 03:49, 31 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Questions about publishing a book

I am the author of The 6 Dimensions: Overcome Presenteeism Excel in work and life". You can see more in the attached. 1. I would like to publish a list of people with pictures of them taken from Google searches who are material to the book. How can i do this without having to request their permission? as i don't have access to their contact details. Some whose contact details i had did not respond to date. Others have given consent.

2. Can i write about people relevant to my topic without their consent with info available on social media and internet e.g. a guy with s unique name such as Kali Muscle?

I am based in Singapore, my publisher is Canadian and the book is destined for global circulation via hardcopy and Amazon etc.

I'd appreciate your quick response and guidance203.177.21.59 (talk) 21:54, 31 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]

'Pictures take from Google searches' are very likely to be copyright - and as any responsible publisher should tell you, you cannot (except in very specific circumstances which are unlikely to apply here) reproduce copyrighted material in a book. It isn't the person in the photo that needs to give permission, it is the copyright owner - and if you can't trace them, and get explicit permission to use the image, you can't use it. AndyTheGrump (talk) 22:08, 31 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Writing about people without their consent is something that Wikipedia does a great deal of. But Wikipedia insists on reliable sources (which excludes most social media). If you include information from unreliable sources, it is more likely that some of it is false and possibly even defamatory. --ColinFine (talk) 22:47, 31 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]

It is the publisher that has to comply with copyright law. So, this is for your publisher to sort out. After all, why are you having them promote your work– and take their share of the profits... If you were self-publishing, then yes, you need to ask as you would be the publisher. Also, it is common in the publishing world, for publisher to take out insurance against copyright violations and libel etc. So put the ball-back-in-their-court and tell them to sort it out or take your mighty opus else where. --Aspro (talk) 23:26, 31 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]

CCH Canadian Ltd v. Law Society of Upper Canada [2004] 1 S.C.R. 339,2004 SCC 13 is the landmark Supreme Court of Canada case that establishes the bounds of fair dealing in Canadian copyright law. Your Canadian publisher should seek legal advice, which Wikipedia will not give, about whether Canadian law allows your planned use of pictures and personal information. Note that "fair dealing" is not necessarily as permissive as the related USA law on "Fair use" which typically permits specific uses of copyrighted material for commentary, search engines, criticism, parody, news reporting, research, teaching, library archiving and scholarship. For example, you cannot assume that Wikipedia's Non-free content policy arguments have merit for your own case. 84.209.89.214 (talk) 23:32, 31 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]

What is Presenteeism Excel, and why does your intended audience need to overcome it in work and life? —Tamfang (talk) 05:59, 2 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]

April 1

Queensland Education

Please advise in what year the last year grade eight (known as scolarship) was conducted in Queensland schools — Preceding unsigned comment added by 203.39.51.38 (talk) 03:32, 1 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]

We're not an answer service. We don't take requests. We are quite willing to help you, but at least google it first. Think of us as a librarian. Shadowjams (talk) 05:05, 1 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]

We should adopt the Victor Borge Principle: I don't usually play requests. Unless, of course, I am asked to do so. -- Jack of Oz ^{[pleasantries]} 07:45, 1 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Henry Kriete Letter

I have a question about the Henry Kriete Letter that exposed a lot of abuses in the International Churches of Christ. Because Henry and Marilyn Kriete wrote the letter (husband and wife) aren't they the best source on the letter that they wrote?

In several posts I tried to explain something to User JamieBrown2011, but he keeps saying that Henry and Marilyn Kriete's website and Henry and Marilyn themselves are not reliable sources on the letter that they themselves wrote. I don't understand that.

Here is some of my reasoning:

@Qewr4231, personal blogs are not Reliable Sources for Wikipedia, yet you insist in trying to insert content from them. Even if you agree with the opinions of the authors it is still not appropriate for Wikipedia. JamieBrown2011 (talk) 07:12, 17 March 2014 (UTC)

@JamieBrown2011, who wrote the Henry Kriete Letter? Henry and Marilyn Kriete wrote the letter. Who's website is this? http://henrykriete.com/2013/12/29/london-the-letter-and-looking-back-marilyn-kriete/ This is Henry and Marilyn Kriete's website.

Again, let me ask you . . . who wrote the Henry Kriete Letter? Henry and Marilyn Kriete wrote the letter. Who's website is this? http://henrykriete.com/2013/12/29/london-the-letter-and-looking-back-marilyn-kriete/ This is Henry and Marilyn Kriete's website.

Again let me point something out to you . . . who wrote the Henry Kriete Letter? Henry and Marilyn Kriete wrote the letter. Who's website is this? http://henrykriete.com/2013/12/29/london-the-letter-and-looking-back-marilyn-kriete/ This is Henry and Marilyn Kriete's website.

I quote from WP:RS

"Definition of a source

The word "source" when citing sources on Wikipedia has three related meanings:

         the piece of work itself (the article, book);
         the creator of the work (the writer, journalist),
         and the publisher of the work (for example, Random House or Cambridge University  Press).

Any of the three can affect reliability. Reliable sources may be published materials with a reliable publication process, authors who are regarded as authoritative in relation to the subject, or both. These qualifications should be demonstrable to other people."

WP:RS says that a credible source is "the creator of the work (the writer, journalist)." The source I used was Henry and Marilyn Kriete's own website Gloriopolis (http://henrykriete.com/). Further I sighted the exact source that the material came from: Gloriopolis (http://henrykriete.com/2013/12/29/london-the-letter-and-looking-back-marilyn-kriete/). This is a nine part series written by Henry and Marilyn Kriete, on their own website; however you called what WP:RS calls a reliable source, unreliable.

Qewr4231 (talk) 10:13, 31 March 2014 (UTC)

Actually now it's a 12 or 13 part series that is still continuing. But you know what? Here's the kicker . . . The Henry Kriete Letter was written by Henry and Marilyn Kriete. Qewr4231 (talk) 10:19, 31 March 2014 (UTC)

Qewr4231 (talk) 07:29, 1 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]

It's a primary source. If this letter has received attention elsewhere, then you should cite the independent sources. You can also include a link to the letter itself. If it hasn't received attention elsewhere, then it isn't relevant to the article. I'm copying this discussion to the the reliable sources noticeboard, the proper place for these questions. Itsmejudith (talk) 10:39, 1 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Swiss accounts

Resp. Mr. Julian Assange, Ur Honour Had stated that many Indians' accounts, Having in Swiss banks (in the form of black money to save the tax) whose list is with Ur Honour. Why R U not publishing in press/media ??? R U telling truth or just a fake Pl. ??????? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 14.97.224.191 (talk) 15:18, 1 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]

You seem to be writing to a judge. This are not a courtroom or the media here, this is Wikipedia. StuRat (talk) 16:54, 1 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Julian Assange's organisation is Wikileaks, not Wikipedia. The two are not connected. Rojomoke (talk) 17:02, 1 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]

If you do return here to see these messages, I strongly urge you to read 419 scams because from what you've posted I suspect you've been targeted by a fraudster. --Dweller (talk) 10:31, 2 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Don't see any reason to think that, there's nothing to even suggest the OP received personal contact let alone if they did it was a scam, as opposed to a soapboxing rant they receive telling them about how many evil politicians were on the list (or whatever). Either way, the OP may very well be confused (beyond them posting them here).

Indian black money documents that there are a lot of confusing claims surrounding this. E.g. while I'm pretty sure Julian Assange has said that the Julius Baer leaks have Indian (sounding) names [2] but I'm not sure he ever actually said they have the most money on the list as some sources claim [3] (who couldn't even get Rudolf Elmer right).

Note also if you read the better sources carefully, I'm pretty sure the list doesn't have enough info to establish if it's black money without more info like tax declarations, income details, etc. (Obviously the info may lead to questions or an investigation, but the point is you can't automatically say it's black money.) I suspect even residency or nationality can't be known without linking the name to a person and you obviously have to be sure you have the right person. In fact, I'm not even sure if his list has money/account balances (which would be from 2002 or earlier I think) or just names. You may be able to make assumptions, I read somewhere that the minimum (opening?) balance for these accounts was $1 million so it can probably be presumed these people had this much money at one time (or perhaps have the right friends).

Incidentally, the statement (of Indians having the most money) has also been attributed to other people who likewise deny it (and frankly were never likely to say it).

Nil Einne (talk) 07:48, 3 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]

BTW, from what I can tell, the last word from Assange on the names is as per the first source and also [4] i.e. Wikileaks wasn't going to release the names yet because of suggested risk to Rudolf Elmer. While this was from late 2011, the case against Rudolf Elmer appears to be partly ongoing [5] so it may be they are still holding out for this reason. On the other hand, may be someone in Ecuador is on the list and won't be happy for it to be revealed or there are other reasons it's never been made public. Then again, this would hardly be the first time that much was promised but little delivered by those involved in wikileaks.

(While may be not wikileaks fault, as partly evidenced from the previous source, there was also a big fuss for a short time in mid 2012 after the courts in Switzerland unsealed the CDs involved with the suggestion the names may be made public because it was an open trial. From what I can tell, not surprisingly, this never happened.)

A final point, as per the sources, there seems to be dispute over whether what Assange has should really be called relating to a Swiss bank. Or rather, while Julius Baer is the group involved and they are Swiss based, it's suggested it may involve their Cayman Islands division. (Which is relevant in the case because it's suggested the Swiss banking secrecy laws Elmer has been accused of violating don't apply.) Note that either way, from what I can tell, Assange only ever claimed to have some (about 2000 total) names from Julius Baer. While there has been a fuss over other alleged lists of names, including from HSBC and involving Indian nationals, these don't seem to involve Assange.

Nil Einne (talk) 12:08, 3 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Song playing in the background

I can tell it's a Mike Jackson song playing in the background. Can anyone tell me which song it is?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wdLq9Rb9XB0

Mike? Okay, well it's "Smooth Criminal". Dismas|^(talk) 20:31, 1 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]

April 2

Determining Rosters of Professional US sports team

Does the owner of a NBA, NFL, or NHL franchise have ultimate say over their team's roster and line up? Hypothetically, if a very wealthy individual wanted to play in one of the aforementioned professional sports game, could they purchase a team and force the coach to add themselves to the line up? Acceptable (talk) 03:30, 2 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]

A very wealthy individual (especially in a hypothetical situation) can do whatever he wants. One hurdle he might face is physical exams. Could be hard to get him on the ice if a doctor says exercise might reasonably kill him. InedibleHulk (talk) 06:15, April 2, 2014 (UTC)

Hypothetically, he could make himself the coach. Also, Some players have made enough money to buy majority ownership of the teams they are playing for. Historically, however meddlesome owners are rarely successful and get blasted in the media for being too meddlesome. --Jayron32 08:30, 2 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Well, in the Ted Turner example above, the National League stepped in and advised Turner that he was in violation of a major league baseball rule that prohibits players and managers from owning shares of their teams. In baseball at least, player contracts have to be vetted by the Commissioner's office (the rule was put in after the Eddie Gaedel stunt) precisely in order to prevent non-athletes from buying their way into the league. Other sports do things differently, however. In Formula One, pay drivers used to be quite common (and commonly reviled); Pedro Diniz for example, was the son of a billionaire team sponsor (although he was one of the more talented pay drivers of that era). Ultimately, having athletes participating in sports contests when they don't belong on the field is detrimental to the sport, so governing authorities tend not to take kindly to shuch shenanigans. --Xuxl (talk) 09:08, 2 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Some sports leagues require that their teams always perform to their best possible standard. It's obviously hard to judge absolutely, but less than star quality owners putting themselves on the field would be a pretty obvious breach. HiLo48 (talk) 10:50, 2 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]

In less reputable leagues, the owner destroys his star. And vice versa. InedibleHulk (talk) 04:38, April 3, 2014 (UTC)

Things were different in the early days of some sports. George Halas was co-owner, coach and player all at the same time on the Chicago Bears, as well as being a co-founder of the NFL itself. In fact, he was a "two-way" player, so he was seldom standing on the sidelines while doing his coaching, until he retired from playing. Albert Spalding had a similar career path in the National League, as did guys like Clark Griffith and Connie Mack in the American League. The difference is that that's a "bottom-up" situation, i.e. a player becoming an owner or part-owner, rather than the other way around. ←Baseball Bugs ^{What's up, Doc?} carrots→ 12:27, 2 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Example of a "top-down " situation from that era is St. Louis Browns owner Chris von der Ahe, who became by all accounts an egregiously bad manager after firing a number of skippers and deciding he could do just as good a job as them; but he never tried to actually play the game. --Xuxl (talk) 14:58, 2 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Another early example is Frank Patrick, founder of the Pacific Coast Hockey League, and owner, manager, coach, and player with the Vancouver Millionaires. His brother Lester Patrick was manager, coach, and player (for part of a game, anyway) with the New York Rangers (and not quite the same, but he got his two sons onto the team too). Adam Bishop (talk) 23:52, 2 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]

I know someone personally who bought an English professional football (as in the game played with feet) team that was playing in The Football League. He happens to be quite young for an owner (still - he was obviously even younger when this happened) and he's the most talented footballer I've ever played against. The first season that he was at the club, he registered himself as a player. He never actually played though. --Dweller (talk) 09:33, 3 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Nuclear testing

In this video (beginning at 18:18), which nuclear test is this? Is this footage of the Redwing Cherokee shot, or one of the Operation Dominic airdrop tests (Mesilla, Nambe, Rinconada or Otowi)? 24.5.122.13 (talk) 06:05, 2 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]

If you look at the final "bomb falling" shot, the test is clearly taking place in the dark. Dominic Mesilla and Dominic Nambe both took place about half an hour after sunrise, so you can rule them out immediately. Dominic Rinconada and Dominic Otowi took place half an hour before sunrise, while Redwing Cherokee took place an estimated hour before sunrise. Of the three, I'd guess this is Redwing Cherokee, since it had the largest yield. --Carnildo (talk) 01:07, 4 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks! 24.5.122.13 (talk) 08:56, 4 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Matlab function

Hello! Is there anybody who knows how can use Digital Filter in Matlab? I need an example of usage with it's Matlab code. Thanks in advance--Freshman404^Talk 06:53, 2 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]

You should ask this at the Maths desk. Itsmejudith (talk) 20:55, 2 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]

...or at [6]. 84.209.89.214 (talk) 14:09, 3 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Help please

Hello! I'm working with a number of my peers at the Evergreen State College to develop "Open Source Governance", and we've realized a number of our design inventions would probably be really useful for Wikipedia. I tried posting in the "idea lab", but couldn't seem to figure that out no matter how hard I tried. Plus the 'mock up' site is in .obp format (Open Office slideslow/"Impress"), and without being able to see the features it is really hard to understand how they play off of each other, so if anyone can help us get this mock up slide show visible to potential collaborators I would be very, very grateful.

I would also like to see if we could propose our wiki based concept for discussion about potential collaboration as well. Can you or anyone else tell us if we need to make things in different file formats or exactly what else might be necessary. I want to attach the site walkthrough but I'm having the hardest time attaching this file as well! I haven't felt this technologically inept in quite some time I really appreciate your patience. Thank you (also) for your time,

It is forbidden to post personal contact details here. I have removed your name and email address217.158.236.14 (talk) 11:13, 2 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Unless somebody here can help straight away, a better place to ask is on the WP:Help desk. Alansplodge (talk) 12:38, 2 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Big Boss

Who is the boss of big boss? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 216.124.224.51 (talk) 16:33, 2 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]

A bigger boss? --Jayron32 16:46, 2 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Typically, the "big boss", assuming you mean company president, reports to the board of directors and the stockholders. ←Baseball Bugs ^{What's up, Doc?} carrots→ 17:59, 2 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Well it was The Boss but currently he's his own boss 8.17.117.40 (talk) 18:07, 2 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]

The OP geolocates to Springfield, Illinois. μηδείς (talk) 00:43, 3 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Maybe OP means Big Boss (Metal Gear), in which case they should read the article. Staecker (talk) 15:29, 3 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Vince McMahon was Big Boss Man's boss. Or maybe it was Slick. InedibleHulk (talk) 02:29, April 4, 2014 (UTC)

April 3

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Laurie_Baymarrwangga

Hello,

I have a specific question relating to this biography - it states that Donald Thomson photographed Laurie Baymarrwangga on Murrungga Island in April 1937 - I simply wanted to ask the author the source of this information and whether the photograph is published?

Kind regards,

David — Preceding unsigned comment added by 124.184.108.157 (talk) 00:42, 3 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Hello,

You should ask this at the Help desk.

Overall your answer is here: The source is Donald Fergusson Thomson, OBE (26 June 1901 – 12 May 1970) Australian anthropologist and ornithologist.--Freshman404^Talk 09:19, 3 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]

You can also contact with the writer here.--Freshman404^Talk 09:26, 3 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Craigslist

When you are searching for things on Craigslist, you start out by selecting the area (state, city, etc.) in which to search. Is there a way you can search for an item of interest in many cities/states at the same time? Or perhaps a search nationwide? I tried to do so, but I was not able to figure it out. If I was trying to find a relatively rare or obscure item, I would like to see if that item is available anywhere at all. I certainly don't want to do a search city-by-city, or state-by-state. Any way to do a more comprehensive area search? Thanks. Joseph A. Spadaro (talk) 18:23, 3 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Searchcraigslist.org does this through a custom Google Search. --— Rhododendrites ^talk | 21:59, 3 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Wow. Amazing. Thanks. I never knew that existed. Thank you! Joseph A. Spadaro (talk) 23:14, 3 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]

New font/font size?

Has Wikipedia changed the font/font size that it's pages are displayed in recently? Looks much bigger/chunkier and more readable to me. Or is it just me? 202.153.41.162 (talk) 21:33, 3 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]

It's not just you but I don't find it more readable. --TammyMoet (talk) 21:38, 3 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]

See this piece in the Signpost: Why we're updating the default typography for Wikipedia. --— Rhododendrites ^talk | 22:01, 3 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]

I don't like it. 82.44.76.14 (talk) 22:18, 3 April 2014 (UTC) They changed it; now it sucks.50.43.180.176 (talk) 22:27, 3 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]

What is the name of the new font? Thanks. Joseph A. Spadaro (talk) 00:50, 4 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]

That depends on what operating system you're using and what fonts are installed. Your browser will pick the first available font from Arimo, Liberation Sans, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, or a generic sans-serif font. --Carnildo (talk) 01:11, 4 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]

As a former professional non-fiction editor, I've always thought that san-serif typefaces are a poor choice for reference works, because the numeral one (1) and lower-case letter el (l) are often indistinguishable, not to mention lower case eye (i) at low resolutions. Zero (0) and capital oh (O) can also be problematical. Admittedly these aren't problems in whatever particular font I'm currently seeing. {The poster formerly known as 87.81.230.195} 212.95.237.92 (talk) 13:35, 4 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Which... shows up on my display. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 14:54, 4 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]

OK, I did not have an italic version installed. I added Arimo. ... Now Carnildo or anyone, what serif fonts does it choose from for headings? → Michael J Ⓣ Ⓒ Ⓜ 16:15, 4 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]

The heading font list is Linux Libertine, Georgia, Times, or a generic serif font. --Carnildo (talk) 02:56, 5 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]

It looks fairly ugly. Was the "community" consulted about this, or did they just go ahead and do it? ←Baseball Bugs ^{What's up, Doc?} carrots→ 17:22, 4 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Yeah, it's been in beta for ages.

I don't know if they conducted surveys or anything, but there was certainly a lengthy process. APL (talk) 18:18, 4 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]

How much time has the human race lost listening to the answering machine lady?

Request for opinion with no reference-able question Rojomoke (talk) 04:59, 4 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]

The following discussion has been closed. Please do not modify it.

"The person you are trying to call: ONE...EIGHT...ZERO...ZERO...EIGHT...SIX...SEVEN...FIVE...THREE...ZERO...NINE... is not available. At the tone, please record your message. When you are finished recording, you may hang up, or press one for more options. To leave a callback number, press five."

That's what I have to hear almost every time I want to leave a five-second message. It's longer than most messages I leave. Worst of all, after the first time somebody hears it and leaves a message, there is no reason to have to hear it again for the rest of your life; waiting for the beep and talking is one of the easiest things to do in recorded human history.

How much time is wasted on the planet by people sitting through this useless monologue every day? Why can't phone companies truncate it to, say, a five second request: "The person you are trying to call is not available. At the tone, please record your message. *beep*"

I'm just baffled at how phone companies think this 20-second message is necessary on such a common, simple and longstanding system like answering machines. 50.43.180.176 (talk) 22:26, 3 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Same reason they loop the hold music: mind control via sub and superaudible tones, via secret, updated phreaking boxes. Can't have you tuning out halfway. Of course, it's just some stoner on the Internet telling you this without a source, so take it as you will.

But yeah, it's annoying and I also wish it'd stop. Whyever it happens. "Too much" is how much. InedibleHulk (talk) 22:53, April 3, 2014 (UTC)

Pay for an Answering machine that lets you pre-record your own greeting and callers will admire you for every precious second you save. If you own a telephone operating company, by all means take the risk of telling thousands of callers that their message will reach only the person they think they probably dialled, because impatient people never make mistakes ^{citation required} and messages of life or death importance are never^{citation required sent by telephone. 84.209.89.214 (talk) 23:23, 3 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]
But the repeating of the number lets you know if you have reached a correct number or if you misdialed. Bus stop (talk) 23:37, 3 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]}

Maybe I'm old fashioned, but mistakes should have consequences and patient, careful people should be considered as having paid their dues, thus the world cater to them. Instead, we get this nonsense, and our properly spelled words get AutoCorrected. Good products get recalled (or changed) because careless, impatient people hurt themselves. If I wasn't a stoner, I'd be outraged. InedibleHulk (talk) 01:19, April 4, 2014 (UTC)

Try pressing #. On many voicemail systems, this will take you directly to the beep. Or, you can try telling the person you're calling they should record a personal greeting in their own voice that is shorter. The voicemail greeting you are hearing is a default system greeting. Voicemail systems let you record a personal greeting in your own voice, but some people never bother to do this, or actually prefer the system greeting. --Bavi H (talk) 00:56, 4 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]

I also find that not caring tends to solve problems like this best. Try that for a while and see how it goes. --Jayron32 01:38, 4 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Funny thing is that if you pay attention the first time, when she speaks slowly in case you have difficulty, and learn the prompts, and press them as soon as you hear the voicemail has picked up the next time you make a call, the system will work immediately, and the mechanical woman won't bite back. μηδείς (talk) 03:02, 4 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]

It is incorrect that there is no reference available. If you order a service such as voice mail from a Local Bell in the U.S. they will usually send you an instructional leaflet separately or in the next bill. You are free to ignore this, which is what many customers do. But you can also read it, request a new pamphlet by calling your customer service center, and even tell frequent callers how to avoid the time-consuming prompts. μηδείς (talk) 21:23, 4 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]

April 4

Featuring Articles

how do i feature or connect my website and blog to you. We help addiction treatment all over the US providing unique photos, reviews, ratings and more at http:www,therehabsearcher.com

Thank you Wiki!

www.therehabsearcher.com — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jwayneccn (talk • contribs) 06:59, 4 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]

We are an encyclopedia. Nothing more, nothing less. I'll tell you this, we're very unreceptive to approaches like the one you've taken. It screams of pandering. That's the one thing you'll find we all agree on... we don't like pandering. Present a real indication of notability, and then create a page that presents that. But until then, we will not host pages for anything less than what meets our notability criteria. Shadowjams (talk) 07:32, 4 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Or, to put it another way: Wikipedia does not allow promotion, no matter how worthy the cause. --ColinFine (talk) 08:36, 4 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]

You can feature our website or connect to us any time and in any way you wish, which is, it seems, the answer to the question you asked, rather than the answer to the question you might have thought you asked. --Dweller (talk) 13:55, 4 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Not sure, they might have meant it either way. If they do want to provide links to our addiction related web pages, they can do that by first going to those pages, then cutting and pasting the URL address, from the top, into a link at their site. For example, the URL for our addiction page is https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Addiction. StuRat (talk) 17:23, 4 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]

who preceded Hockey Canada president Bob Nicholson

who preceded Hockey Canada president Bob Nicholson — Preceding unsigned comment added by 97.85.72.238 (talk) 23:25, 4 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]

If I'm understanding it correctly, he replaced Murray Costello as president. However, that was when it was known as the Canadian Hockey Association. Bob is (or was, I guess) also the chief executive, but he doesn't seem to have taken on that role at the same time. According to this, Bob MacKinnon (not the one we have an article on) was chairman at the time and Nicholson assumed those duties later. That's assuming the titles of CEO, Chief Executive, and Chairman are all referring to the same post. Matt Deres (talk) 02:17, 5 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Searching Craigslist

When searching Craigslist, is there any option to have a "wild card" character in your search term? For example, in another program, if I use the search term "People Mag*" (with an asterisk at the end after the "g" as a "wild card") that will deliver in the search results any items that start with those letters (and end with anything else). So, that search would yield "People Magazine", "People Magazines", "People Mags", even "People Magic", and so forth. Is there a similar character (such as the asterisk) that works as a "wild card" for Craigslist searches? Thanks. Joseph A. Spadaro (talk) 23:46, 4 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]

April 5

File:C:\Users\Kenny\Pictures\whatsthis.jpg

Item at a farm

Anybody know what this old wooden farm item is?

Can anyone tell me what this item is? It was at a farm. It's about 3 feet long.

Photo posting not working - never mind

File:C:\Users\Kenny\Pictures\WhatsThis.jpg

Item at a farm

— Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.254.78.201 (talk) 02:42, 5 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]

I left the user upload instructions at the above talk page. μηδείς (talk) 03:17, 5 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Anyone know what the item shown in this link is?

This item was found on a farm. It's about 3 feet long. http://wonderley.com/Misc/whatsthis.jpg — Preceding unsigned comment added by Wonderley (talk • contribs) 03:24, 5 April 2014 (UTC) Wonderley (talk) 03:27, 5 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]