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January 19

Is the tv show Supernatural at it's final season?

Please let me know. Venustar84 (talk) 01:56, 19 January 2015 (UTC)

In the first paragraph of our article, Supernatural (U.S. TV series), it says "The series is currently airing its tenth season, and in January 2015, The CW renewed it for an eleventh season". Rojomoke (talk) 04:44, 19 January 2015 (UTC)

Seahawks beat Packers in overtime and go to the first consecutive SuperBowl since the Pats in 2003 and 2004. Erm, have I got that right? And what's more...

Hi Sports fans,
And when the ball bounced off the grill of a Packers players' helmet, and was caught by a Seahawks some position or other player, according to some rule or other, they got a first down and ten. Or whatever. The online commentary said "ball bounced off his numbers — may be fitted for goat horns"
What on earth does "ball bounced off his numbers — may be fitted for goat horns" mean? Is this some American football term? Or just something else a commentator made up on the spur or the moment?
--Shirt58 (talk) 13:00, 19 January 2015 (UTC)

In American football, players wear big numbers on the front and back of their uniform tops. So a ball that bounces off a player's numbers would be one that hits him in the chest but that he can't control. "Wearing the goat's horns" (or other variations) is a figurative way of saying that someone is being blamed for a defeat. That term's use is not limited to American football. It is associated with scapegoat. --Xuxl (talk) 15:10, 19 January 2015 (UTC)

We have an article titled List of Super Bowl champions which includes the results of every Super Bowl. Your question in the title bar can be answered using that article. I'm not sure how to read your first question in the text of this section, so I will try to answer every permutation that I can, based on what I perceive as the possible interpretations.

• If the Packers player threw the ball, and it struck one of his own player's helmets, and then a Seahawks player caught it from there, that is an interception, and the ball now belongs to the Seahawks, who will have a first-and-ten.
• If the Seahawks player threw the ball, and it struck one of the Packers players' helmets, and was then caught by a Seahawks player, that's a reception and the ball would be marked wherever the ball carrier was eventually tackled. The play just continues as normal until he's tackled; and the down-and-distance calculated from that point. There's no consideration given to the fact that the ball was redirected in flight by the defender as far as the rules are concerned; it only matters who has possession of it when they are tackled. If they made it past the first-down line, it would be first and ten, but that has nothing to do really with striking the helmet.
• There may have also been an unrelated penalty on the play which would have granted the receiving team a first-and-ten, which perhaps you missed?

I didn't watch the entire Seahawks-Packers game (only caught the first quarter and the last five minutes. Had commitments that kept me away from a TV otherwise), and I don't remember the specific play you are referring to. If you have a link to perhaps a video of the exact play, I might be able to help you more. --Jayron32 16:36, 19 January 2015 (UTC)

Jayron32 If you go to the "Seattle recovers the onside kick!" post you will see the item in question. The writer got the "bounced off the numbers" wrong since it went off his helmet but typing that stuff in real time often leads to errors of that sort. While Xuxl is right in mentioning scapegoat the "goats horns" are also a term used in relation to Cuckold as mentioned here Cuckold#Cultural usage of horn metaphor. In fact there may have been a crossover between the two uses at some point in time though that is speculation on my part. MarnetteD|Talk 16:49, 19 January 2015 (UTC)

Ah, I wasn't aware it was the onside kick near the end of the fourth quarter. In that case, it is fairly easy to explain how that works. Any kickoff that travels at least 10 yards is a live ball, and can be recovered by either team. When a team is running out of time in an attempt to come back, they will try to kick the ball ONLY ten yards, so they can recover it before the defending team. All that happened in that play was that the receiving team had a chance at the ball, but Seattle got their own kickoff first. Again, having struck the defender is irrelevant to this play: The ball merely had to travel 10 yards and be recovered by the Seahawks, which it did, for them to get possession. --Jayron32 17:08, 19 January 2015 (UTC)

The Packer who was trying to catch the kickoff muffed it, and shortly after was on the sidelines with his head down, and later said he "Let his team down." Maybe, but the Packers failure to do anything much in the second half is what gave the Seahawks the opportunity. As for the term "goat" (opposite of "hero" in this context), that term has been used that way for a long time. ←Baseball Bugs ^{What's up, Doc?} carrots→ 19:52, 19 January 2015 (UTC)

Baaaaad play. Brandon Bostick (the goat in question) was supposed to block the Seahawks, not try to catch the ball. YEEEEEEAAAAAAAAHHHH!!!!! This tops us beating the Saints when we were 7-9. Clarityfiend (talk) 02:53, 20 January 2015 (UTC)

Aha, so he messed up his assignment. That's probably why the special teams coach was yelling at him. ←Baseball Bugs ^{What's up, Doc?} carrots→ 04:05, 20 January 2015 (UTC)

How do I download the movie "Transformers, age of Distinction"?

How do I download "Transformers: Age of Extinction" and watch it for free? Can it be done? How do I do it right from Google Chrome? You see, I used to be a Truck Driver, but was pulled off the road back in 2006 because of a terminal illness. I spent 9 years in and out of hospital for a condition called Scleroderma. I was supposed to be dead. However, on November 16, 2014 they came out with a brand new experimental drug. The first girl who took it died, but I was the second girl, and when I took it, I beat the disease completely along with eating no more sugar or preservatives, no exceptions. I'm now shoveling snow, milking cows, and throwing around hay bales.

My 12 year old nephew showed me the Movie "Transformers: Age of Extinction" in the hospital, and in it is a scene where this tinkerer with no particular purpose in life hauls out the most useless, deadest, decomposed, rusted out old transport truck from the 1960's out of an automotive graveyard with a big hole blown in the front radiator with a chain. He drags it down the road to his old barn that's falling apart and full of holes and begins tinkering with it. It is at that point where he says, "Hey, this metal is ALIVE!" Nobody believes him, including his pretty young daughter, and she says to him, "All you do is make more junk out of more junk. Get rid of this thing and get a life."

In any case, he keeps on tinkering with it, just enough to get it driving down the road again. Then as it's driving down the road, the UNBELIEVABLE happens. All of a sudden, the skin of the rusted out, old piece of junk starts flying off, exploding out of it the most AMAZING, kick-ass, beautiful, fully painted in flame decals, brand spanking new, 2014, and 550 000 horsepower transport truck with multiple stacks on the back with glorious music to add to the effect. It shows it all around at every angle. I just said, "Oh my God, Holy XXXX" Tears just burst out of my eyes, I couldn't believe it, and I said, if I ever get to survive this disease by any chance, and get a job again in trucking, I'm going to record this part, and show it to my next Employer, and tell them, THAT WAS ME EXACTLY. The deadest, most hopeless, in the graveyard with tombstone and coffin already picked out case ready for my funeral person in the whole wide world coming back to life and defeating death completely UNSTOPPABLE.

I know it's a silly movie title for kids, but I just HAVE TO HAVE that scene. I'll keep it as a memento for ever.

So, can I do this, and how do I do it? 184.94.190.99 (talk) 22:20, 19 January 2015 (UTC)

You can't download it for free, but you can buy it on DVD and digital download through iTunes and Google Play. --Viennese Waltz 09:27, 20 January 2015 (UTC)

You can download μTorrent and read the Motion Picture Association of America's stance on why copyright matters for free. Then you're free to decide. InedibleHulk (talk) 10:15, January 20, 2015 (UTC)

Transformers 4: A Era da Extinção is on YouTube for free. A bit Greek to me, but kick-ass transports are a universal language. InedibleHulk (talk) 10:23, January 20, 2015 (UTC)

January 20

What's the c. 2009 song that does this?

I'm sorry I'm not good with intervals, the number of semitones above the start might be approximate for the 8s and 4s. I could write it in notes but it'd likely be transposed and also that's extra work for translation. (this is normal counting, where 1 octave is 12 semitones)

! is two exclamation marks, as the notes all sound excited. I tried to give a sense of note length. > is a continuous transition. Oh, and all the lyrics are "oh".

0>12! 12-12 8-8 4 (several times), 0>12! 12-12 8-8-8 4.

I liked this song (and '07 through '11). Instead top 40 got dumber since ~2012. Though less so than 2002-04 (Lights - Goulding, Summertime Sadness ('13), Slow Down - Selena Gomez and Katy Perry - Dark Horse being the reasons). Sagittarian Milky Way (talk) 02:57, 20 January 2015 (UTC)

Trying to find other versions of song in Hebrew

Somewhat by chance, I found this album by Gibert, who seems to be a Brazilian singer, on Spotify. I'm not a Hebrew speaker, but I've noticed that a number of these songs are probably covers of relatively famous things, like Jerusalem of Gold, Donna Donna, My Yiddishe Momme, Hava Nagila, or Hatikvah. (Those are the only ones I know of.)

I got "Am Echad Shir Echad" stuck in my head, and I've been wondering if it's also not an original song. However, I haven't much luck. There was one other song of this name on YouTube, which apparently was sung in the 1980's by a bunch of presumably Israeli pop singers, but the melody seems different from the song of the same title (at least by Latin alphabet transliteration) by Gilbert.

Might somebody be able to help me with this? Morningcrow (talk) 06:04, 20 January 2015 (UTC)

Update: searching for "am echad" on Spotify, I found that the song "Am Echad Lev Echad", which also seems to be known as "Kol Yisrael" matches the melody. This seems reasonable; I seem to remember a line that sounded something like that in the Gilbert song. Morningcrow (talk) 01:04, 21 January 2015 (UTC)

Sound effect companies for Wreck it Ralph

Hi, I'm looking for a sound effect company that the movie "Wreck it Ralph" uses. I'm just looking for the sound effects that are for actions and not voice clips. If anyone has any idea what the sound effects on the movie come from, please reply. There is a company that I don't know where the sound effects were made by including the one that is played by the time "Ala-mode" voice pops up on the screen.--HappyLogolover2011 (talk) 07:19, 20 January 2015 (UTC)

The sound effects for all movies are just made by people working on the film, not by some separate company. IMDB has a full list of credits for Wreck It Ralph, including sound effects people, here. --Viennese Waltz 09:31, 20 January 2015 (UTC)

That's not always true. Companies like Sound Ideas are the Warner Chappell Production Music of melodyless things. Not practical to make leaves rustle for each movie that needs rustling leaves. InedibleHulk (talk) 09:38, January 20, 2015 (UTC)

Skywalker Sound did the post production for that movie. Someone there might be able to help you find the specific sound they used. Their Contact Us needs Javascript enabled. InedibleHulk (talk) 10:04, January 20, 2015 (UTC)

octogenarians in pop music?

Chuck Berry is 88 years old; George Martin 89. Who else in this loosely-defined field has reached 80? —Tamfang (talk) 22:55, 20 January 2015 (UTC)

There are 45 old geezers listed here, including Fats Domino and Little Richard. Petula Clark is 82?!? I feel old. Clarityfiend (talk) 23:02, 20 January 2015 (UTC)

Doris Day a rocker?! —Tamfang (talk) 23:10, 20 January 2015 (UTC)

Pop music. "Que Sera, Sera", and such. ←Baseball Bugs ^{What's up, Doc?} carrots→ 00:34, 21 January 2015 (UTC)

Please note the title of the page linked by Clarityfiend. —Tamfang (talk) 08:19, 23 January 2015 (UTC)

And then it occurred to me to look at 1935 and proceed back. Ronnie Hawkins, Nana Mouskouri, Leonard Cohen, Pat Boone, Frankie Valli, Otis Rush, Wink Martindale, Willie Nelson, Roy Clark, Mike Stoller, Corry Brokken, Mel Tillis, Casey Kasem, Loretta Lynn, Hubert Sumlin, William Shatner —Tamfang (talk) 23:07, 20 January 2015 (UTC)

And wherever he's hiding out, The King turned 80 this month. Rojomoke (talk) 06:31, 21 January 2015 (UTC)

I'd hide, too, if I looked like this. InedibleHulk (talk) 09:06, January 21, 2015 (UTC)

I could've sworn Fats Domino died when I was a kid. Weird. But thanks! InedibleHulk (talk) 09:04, January 21, 2015 (UTC)

Depending on your definition of "pop", or indeed "music", we have The Zimmers; "thought to have the oldest members of any band in the world". Click here (caution advised) to listen to their greatest hit, a cover of My Generation. The name of the group is derived from the Zimmer frame, in case you didn't get the joke. Alansplodge (talk) 16:48, 22 January 2015 (UTC)

Well next year there'll be a septagenarian in techno. The oldest member of Kraftwerk reached the We Are The Robots level of techno-ness years before "techno" meant "some crappy machinery sound-funk-Kraftwerk alloy from the prehistory of techno". Sagittarian Milky Way (talk) 17:47, 22 January 2015 (UTC)

Super Bowl questions

(1) What team has won the most? (2) Who is the oldest (and who is the youngest) Super Bowl quarterback? Thanks. Joseph A. Spadaro (talk) 23:22, 20 January 2015 (UTC)

For (1), the Pittsburgh Steelers have the most wins (six), see List_of_Super_Bowl_champions. According to [1] John Elway is the oldest, at 38 and Dan Marino is the youngest at 23. RudolfRed (talk) 23:29, 20 January 2015 (UTC)

Oldest to start. Not sure who the absolute oldest QB was to appear, but Johnny Unitas came off the bench to relieve Earl Morrall in Super Bowl V, and he was also 38 at the time. Not sure the exact number of says, but Unitas may have been older than Elway by a small amount. Also, I don't know if he appeared in the game itself, but Steve DeBerg was on the Falcons roster in 1998 for Super Bowl XXXIII at age 45, he did start at least one game during the season. --Jayron32 01:44, 21 January 2015 (UTC)

January 21

Numbers in international football

When were numbers first worn in international association football? 1.127.49.93 (talk) 04:36, 21 January 2015 (UTC)

Good question. Our article makes it clear that it was the case by 1954 (Squad_number_(association_football)#In_international_football), but that seems to be squad numbering, not shirt numbering, which I guess would precede it. I'll post at WT:FOOTY and see what the experts there think. --Dweller (talk) 10:55, 21 January 2015 (UTC)

"When Chelsea toured Argentina, Uruguay and Brazil at the end of the season, in summer 1929, they also wore numbered shirts, earning the nickname 'Los Numerados' from locals." From our Squad number (association football) article; but not national sides though, it depends on your definition of "international". Alansplodge (talk) 17:32, 22 January 2015 (UTC)

"Numbers were worn on the back of [England] players' shirts for the first time at Hampden Park on 17 April 1937" [2]. This must refer to Scotland v England, 17 April 1937. Alansplodge (talk) 17:37, 22 January 2015 (UTC)

Can somebody give any affordable alternatives to popular fashion designer ?

Can somebody give any affordable alternatives to popular fashion designer ? I mean, I want to find a new vision of fashion design. New products that are different than textile industry and grandes maisons. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Sebiblanc (talk • contribs) 09:16, 21 January 2015 (UTC)

AAAOffer.ru seems to have a nice knockoff selection. Can't vouch for the quality. InedibleHulk (talk) 09:21, January 21, 2015 (UTC)

He's not asking for replicas of haute couture, he's asking for new alternatives. The answer would be to seek out new young fashion designers in your area. --Viennese Waltz 09:34, 21 January 2015 (UTC)

Hey, you're right. I usually read better than that. I'm no expert on what's not stylish yet, but I seem to recall "retro" keeps coming back in waves. You sure don't see a lot of plate mail these days. It might be ahead of the time. InedibleHulk (talk) 11:29, January 21, 2015 (UTC)

You might try visiting one or more Art Colleges (or similar) in your area (assuming they cover clothing design) and talking to students in the relevant departments. Those who have ambitions as fashion designers will doubtless be thinking about this. Their lecturers may also have some opinions. {The poster formerly known as 87.81.230.195} 212.95.237.92 (talk) 13:53, 21 January 2015 (UTC)

If you have the money and some ideas of your own, you could also go to a tailor/seamstress and tell them what you had in mind. If I had the money, I'd like to do that myself (I want a man's shirt with two pockets, not one, to keep my nipples covered properly, since I don't wear undershirts). StuRat (talk) 00:25, 22 January 2015 (UTC)

Stu's shirt

I have a few two-pocket, button-front, collared shirts. One is Dickies brand, like these [3]. I'm pretty sure there are options available that are not bespoke tailored, but they may not suit your precise needs. SemanticMantis (talk) 14:11, 22 January 2015 (UTC)

Oh, I have lots more requirements than that:

1) Dark-colored vertical stripes, except for the yoke yolk (shoulders), which should have horizontal stripes.

2) No flap or buttons on pockets.

3) No button-down collars or knits.

4) Rigid collar and place where button holes go (placket). I hate when those fold over.

5) Permanent press, cotton/poly blend.

6) Short sleeve.

7) Stitching that matches the fabric color.

If you find an off-the-rack shirt which meets all those req's, I'd like to hear about it. StuRat (talk) 04:03, 22 January 2015 (UTC)

Haha, wow, that's pretty specific. I don't think I've ever seen a two-pocket shirt where the pockets had no flaps or buttons. To help with your searches - one common term for the type of stripes you're describing is oxford stripe, which is commonly blue on white, but sometimes brown or black. But it also gets confused with oxford cloth, which I think is usually just a type of cotton, though our article doesn't specify. Unfortunately oxford shirt is just a redirect. Good luck! SemanticMantis (talk) 14:11, 22 January 2015 (UTC)

I'll keep that in mind. StuRat (talk) 06:51, 25 January 2015 (UTC)

Yoke. —Tamfang (talk) 08:40, 23 January 2015 (UTC)

LOL. I knew that, really I did. Corrected. StuRat (talk) 06:47, 25 January 2015 (UTC)

Super Bowl question about cheating

I was reading this article (Former Tampa Bay Quarterback Brad Johnson Admits To Tampering With Footballs In Super Bowl XXXVII) and it prompted my question. Let's hypothetically say that one of the teams who are about to play in the upcoming Super Bowl cheated in the playoff game. So, let's say that the NFL officially acknowledges the cheating. What would happen for the upcoming Super Bowl? Would they just let the loser from the playoff game go to the Super Bowl? Also, has anything like this ever happened? So, to use a current-day scenario: let's say that the NFL officially recognizes that the actions of the New England Patriots in the playoff game (with regard to the deflated football accusations) rises to the level of "cheating". What would happen and who would play in the Super Bowl? Would it be a simple matter of allowing the Indianapolis Colts to play? Or would there be some more complicated method? Thanks. Joseph A. Spadaro (talk)

45-7. No amount of cheating (short of a secondary manned by sharks with frickin' laser beams attached to their heads) would have changed that outcome. There's no way those sorry Colts are playing in the Superbowl. That would be ridiculous. The score would be worse than last year's 43-8, and nobody wants that. Besides, it's way too late to make any changes. The Patriots don't seem to be too worried, so I'm guessing a big fine or loss of draft pick(s). Clarityfiend (talk) 22:15, 21 January 2015 (UTC)

Thanks. My question was about cheating, in general. The 2015 Super Bowl example was just that, an example. But it raised this interesting question in my mind. Thanks. As an aside: are you a Patriots fan or a Colts fan? Thanks. Joseph A. Spadaro (talk) 22:55, 21 January 2015 (UTC)

Heck no. Seahawks all the way. Clarityfiend (talk) 00:19, 22 January 2015 (UTC)

The official rules do state "The Commissioner’s powers under this Section 2 include the imposition of monetary fines and draft-choice forfeitures, suspension of persons involved in unfair acts, and, if appropriate, the reversal of a game’s result or the rescheduling of a game, either from the beginning or from the point at which the extraordinary act occurred." (bolding mine) But practically, a reversal just isn't going to happen. Clarityfiend (talk) 22:21, 21 January 2015 (UTC)

What does "reversal" mean, in this context? That the winner is declared the loser and vice versa? Joseph A. Spadaro (talk) 22:57, 21 January 2015 (UTC)

That's right. Clarityfiend (talk) 00:21, 22 January 2015 (UTC)

In theory, Goodell could declare that game a forfeiture and advance the Colts to the Super Bowl. Certainly highly unlikely, but not beyond the realm of possibility. ←Baseball Bugs ^{What's up, Doc?} carrots→ 22:28, 21 January 2015 (UTC)

If a humongo-quinti-bazillion to one counts as being in that realm, sure. If Goodell doesn't mind the advertisers rising as one to smite him down. Clarityfiend (talk) 00:21, 22 January 2015 (UTC)

Don't count on anything where this commissioner is concerned. He seems to lack the P.R. savvy of Rozelle. ←Baseball Bugs ^{What's up, Doc?} carrots→ 00:59, 22 January 2015 (UTC)

The timing makes it impossible. The investigation has just gotten underway, and the report isn't due out for a while. What are they going to do, postpone the Super Bowl? Don't think so. Clarityfiend (talk) 03:18, 22 January 2015 (UTC)

Wouldn't any guess on our part as to "what happens now" be just that, a guess? To my knowledge, nothing like this has happened before, so we have no precedent to base our guesses on. Dismas|^(talk) 22:34, 21 January 2015 (UTC)

Yesterday they were saying "a few days", which implies it will be out several days before the Super Bowl. As I recall, "Spygate" was uncovered after the Super Bowl had occurred, and the penalties against New Orleans also came after the Super Bowl. This is different. Goodell will be on the spot. But a key issue will be who deflated the balls, and on whose orders... if they can find that out. ←Baseball Bugs ^{What's up, Doc?} carrots→ 17:29, 22 January 2015 (UTC)

Nah, even Goodell isn't that goofy (I think). You can't tell the Seahawks to prepare to play one of two teams, have the Colts get back together and start preparing, just in case they get to play, tell the advertisers that they don't know for sure who'll be playing, etc. It's more likely that the Tea Party will endorse Hillary Clinton. Clarityfiend (talk) 21:55, 23 January 2015 (UTC)

We won't know what will be done, if anything, until the report comes out "in a few days". The question would be what might Commissioner Goodell do, i.e. what is the extent of his authority. As Clarityfiend notes, in theory Goodell could do anything he wants to in order to remedy the situation. I don't recall any case in the modern era of pro football in which a team was yanked from the championship game. I also don't recall, for example, the quarterback being suspended. The NFL is not the NCAA, and they really don't like to reverse what happened on the field. But teams and individuals can pay a price for malfeasance, as the Saints found out recently, and some past star players (Paul Hornung and Alex Karras come to mind) might be given lengthy suspensions in the next season. ←Baseball Bugs ^{What's up, Doc?} carrots→ 23:11, 21 January 2015 (UTC)

Really? This has never happened before, ever? Cheating, I mean. Some form of it, I'm sure, has had to have occurred over the past 50+ years. Not necessarily cheating in the Super Bowl (or playoffs leading to). But, is there not precedent for cheating in a "regular" game? Joseph A. Spadaro (talk) 23:01, 21 January 2015 (UTC)

Yes, I meant in such an important game. I'm sure there has been cheating (the Pats just recently got fined for cheating) but I can't recall ever hearing about it in the playoffs during such an important game. Dismas|^(talk) 23:03, 21 January 2015 (UTC)

A few decades ago, the Oakland Raiders were accused of partially filling their kickoff footballs with helium, to give them extra "hang time". I don't know that that was ever proven, but it might be the reason that the officials now control the kickoff balls. Some latitude is given for normal game-play balls. As Peyton Manning was saying recently, teams try to avoid using new balls as they are harder to get a grip on. One fairly ridiculous attempt at cheating occurred in the championship game of the World Football League, some 40 years ago. It was played in a blinding rainstorm, and a wide receiver was found to have taped thumbtacks onto his fingers to aid in catching the ball. He was sent packing. (As was the league itself within a year, but that's another story.) ←Baseball Bugs ^{What's up, Doc?} carrots→ 23:15, 21 January 2015 (UTC)

Is it showed to just *tell* your kickers that the ball is 1 ounce underweight to make them feel better? Sagittarian Milky Way (talk) 00:31, 22 January 2015 (UTC)

Forfeit

Every sport (well, maybe, almost every sport) has a provision for forfeit of a game. In high school play the most common reason for forfeit is failure of one team to show up, or failure to provide enough players to begin play. Another reason for forfeit in high school or college play is the use of ineligible players. In professional play ineligible players are hard to define. One could argue that doped players are ineligible because they are chemically enhanced, but the usual penalty for the use of drugs is suspension after the fact.

In Major League Baseball, and possibly in other sports, games have occasionally been forfeited by the home team (see forfeit (baseball)) due to inability to provide a field of play, because the fans rioted or otherwise misbehaved, and the home team is responsible for providing a field of play.

As was mentioned above, the Commissioner does have the power on paper to reverse the outcome of a game by declaring forfeit in the event of conduct that altered the course of the game that was clearly cheating. There are two reasons why this option is only on paper. First, as mentioned, even if there was deflation of the footballs, and even if it did affect the score, it should be obvious that the game was enough of a mismatch (on game day) that it did not affect the outcome of the game. Two good teams met, and one played well, and one played badly. Second, forfeit isn't what the fans or the sponsors want. The fans and the sponsors want there to be a Super Bowl, and the Patriots will play the Seahawks.

If there was illegal deflation of the footballs, then the penalty should (in my opinion) be sufficiently harsh as to send a signal that similar conduct will never be tolerated. That would be anything up to the loss of multiple 2015 draft choices, and a fine in the millions, and long-term suspension, but forfeit is the wrong answer. Sometimes a wrong cannot really be set right, and the job of justice is to deter future wrongs.

Robert McClenon (talk) 23:31, 21 January 2015 (UTC)

You state: Second, forfeit isn't what the fans or the sponsors want. The fans and the sponsors want there to be a Super Bowl. I was not suggesting that there be no Super Bowl at all this year. I was suggesting a different team play in it in lieu of the Patriots. Joseph A. Spadaro (talk) 05:29, 22 January 2015 (UTC)

The Patriots have already been caught cheating in their past, under this coach, and were issued fines and such. The commissioner might decide that stronger measures are needed this time. ←Baseball Bugs ^{What's up, Doc?} carrots→ 00:57, 22 January 2015 (UTC)

That is my point also. If the charges are found after adjudication to be true, the Commissioner may find it necessary to impose much more severe penalties to deter further misbehavior. Robert McClenon (talk) 03:43, 22 January 2015 (UTC)

What I can't figure out is why they even bothered to cheat (unless they did it all the time, and just forgot to stop). They didn't need that advantage at all, so why risk it for such a trivial gain? Clarityfiend (talk) 01:11, 22 January 2015 (UTC)

That's the same kind of question they were asking at the time of "Spygate", and for that matter, the original Watergate. ←Baseball Bugs ^{What's up, Doc?} carrots→ 05:53, 22 January 2015 (UTC)

How would they have known in advance that they needed to cheat to get the advantage? Both the Patriots and the Colts were good teams with excellent quarterbacks. The Colts simply played a bad game for a good team. Only in retrospect is it obvious that they didn't need to cheat. Robert McClenon (talk) 03:43, 22 January 2015 (UTC)

No. Everyone knew beforehand that the Patriots were a much better team than the Colts, with a stronger defense and running game. Clarityfiend (talk) 14:42, 22 January 2015 (UTC)

January 23

Super Bowl question about DeflateGate

In the 2015 Super Bowl, it has been alleged that the Patriots deflated or under-inflated the footballs. What does this do, exactly? In other words, what are the results if a football has been deflated? And how does the deflation of footballs give one team an (unfair) advantage over the other? I have no idea. Full disclosure: I know absolutely nothing about football. Thanks. Joseph A. Spadaro (talk) 05:34, 23 January 2015 (UTC)

It is claimed that an underinflated ball can be easier to grasp, giving the quarterback somewhat of a competitive advantage. Each team supplies 12 of their own footballs for game play while on offense. ←Baseball Bugs ^{What's up, Doc?} carrots→ 06:10, 23 January 2015 (UTC)

Agreed. When you grab it your fingers will sink in deeper, to get a better grip. This would be especially important for players with smaller hands. Does the Patriots QB have smaller hands than the average QB ? StuRat (talk) 06:27, 23 January 2015 (UTC)

By the way it was not in the Super Bowl, it was in the NFC Conference championship game. I don't think it has to do with the size of the QB's hands, it's just a matter of personal preference. An underinflated ball is also easier to catch, especially in cold conditions. --Xuxl (talk) 08:15, 23 January 2015 (UTC)

Are there weather conditions in which the ball would naturally change condition or inflation? Hack (talk) 09:09, 23 January 2015 (UTC)

Fifteen degrees below zero should do it. I don't think any modern NFL game has been played in those conditions, though per a polar vortex newspaper (Minnesota has a dome, maybe they shouldn't, it would give them a great home field advantage). I'm sure they warm the balls up before measuring them, though, it'd be kind if silly for a ball to get illegal when the temperature changes. Sagittarian Milky Way (talk) 16:41, 23 January 2015 (UTC)

The Vikings are currently an outdoors team until the Metrodome's replacement is completed. At this point, the probability of them playing football in January seems rather slim. ←Baseball Bugs ^{What's up, Doc?} carrots→ 17:25, 23 January 2015 (UTC)

15 below describes the conditions during the 1967 NFL Championship Game. There has been endless commentary about that game, but I don't recall anything being said about the balls deflating from the cold... and if they did, both teams would have had that same "advantage". ←Baseball Bugs ^{What's up, Doc?} carrots→ 17:23, 23 January 2015 (UTC)

They wouldn't deflate but they would depressurize. The leather must've been less flexible, making this less helpful and noticeable. And it would be barely below the legal pressure if it was left in the shade to chill, and probably warm up enough during use to become legal pressure. So, not very noticeable. Anyway, that was before the Super Bowl-era (by days), so not modern, at least if you wanted to sensationalize the then-current polar vortex (didn't even reach our 2004 low of +1°F..). Sagittarian Milky Way (talk) 18:08, 23 January 2015 (UTC)

That game was the lead-in to the first Super Bowl, so it was definitely in the Super Bowl era. And it defends how you define "modern". It's not difficult to argue that the "modern" NFL began with the first championship game in 1933. ←Baseball Bugs ^{What's up, Doc?} carrots→ 18:20, 23 January 2015 (UTC)

Huh? They measure the balls before each game? Joseph A. Spadaro (talk) 17:05, 23 January 2015 (UTC)

The officials check the status of all game balls at some point prior to the game. The teams retain their respective sets of 12, while the officials retain the ones used for kickoffs. ←Baseball Bugs ^{What's up, Doc?} carrots→ 17:19, 23 January 2015 (UTC)

So, what's the allegation here? That the officials checked the balls; they checked out just fine; after they checked them, the officials handed the balls over to the Patriots; and it was at this point that the Patriots manipulated the balls? Is that the scenario of the allegations? In other words, the manipulation occurred after the "official" check, but prior to start of game play? Joseph A. Spadaro (talk) 17:31, 23 January 2015 (UTC)

That would be the gist of it. ←Baseball Bugs ^{What's up, Doc?} carrots→ 17:42, 23 January 2015 (UTC)

OK. And doesn't that make no sense whatsoever? And clearly defeats the whole point of some neutral third-party official making sure that the balls are OK and that everything is on the up and up? I mean, if a team wanted to manipulate the balls, they clearly would not do so before the officials gave their inspection and their OK. They would clearly do it after the inspection and the "official OK" (as is alleged here). So, if the point is to make sure (through some neutral third-party) that the balls have not manipulated, how does this system achieve that? This method defeats the whole purpose of the inspection in the first place. Am I missing something? The NFL officials couldn't figure this out? Joseph A. Spadaro (talk) 19:29, 23 January 2015 (UTC)

Teams have been messing with balls for years, if you follow the stories, they have recently brought back a story that ran several years ago where Aaron Rodgers had candidly admitted to tampering with the balls. It's one of those things that everyone does and no one talks about. This story is really more about the fact that Belichick has the personality of a cold, wet blanket and that the Patriots win a whole shitload of games. This sort of "cheating" is admittedly rampant and unenforced, at least until coach with an unlikable media personality gets accused of it, and then it's a capital offense. --Jayron32 20:21, 23 January 2015 (UTC)

OK, that makes sense and is likely true (in the "real world"). But, in theory ("on paper") how is this inspection process useful? How is it supposed to work? At least on paper, the NFL states that they don't want the balls manipulated (I assume.). That being the case, how do they advance or defend a policy that defeats itself (i.e., giving the ball back to potentially be manipulated after it has been inspected and deemed to be not manipulated and, furthermore, giving it back to the very people who are being policed and from whom the manipulation is feared)? The whole thing seems ridiculous, and I am actually laughing as I type this. I am just not sure if the whole thing is just "window dressing" and a "sham", or I am sort of missing something? Joseph A. Spadaro (talk) 20:54, 23 January 2015 (UTC)

Rules are often reactionary rather than proactive. It's reasonable to suppose that this will lead to some sort of procedural change, for example the officials keeping each team's 12 just as they already do with the kickoff balls. ←Baseball Bugs ^{What's up, Doc?} carrots→ 22:14, 23 January 2015 (UTC)

That's because people in charge are usually idiots. What kind of retard thought that putting a parking garage under a World Trade Center tower and letting anyone park there was a good idea? Sagittarian Milky Way (talk) 23:40, 23 January 2015 (UTC)

The same "retards" who put parking garages under numerous other high-rise buildings. Stay on-topic, please. --65.94.50.4 (talk) 22:55, 24 January 2015 (UTC)

National anthems at events, if said national anthems have the same melody

What would happen if, at events between two countries where two anthems have to be played, notably in sporting events, the two countries have national anthems which share a melody? For example, theoretically, what would happen if countries like Finland faced Estonia, Tanzania faced Zambia, the United Kingdom faced Liechtenstein, or perhaps the most extreme example, Greece and Cyprus, which have the same national anthem, faced each other? In these cases, would the melody have to be played twice, once for each nation, or will playing it once suffice? I know of one precedent though: whenever England faces Northern Ireland, if England uses God Save the Queen at said event, the anthem will only be played once since GSTQ is also Northern Ireland's anthem. But what about the aforementioned cases? Narutolovehinata5 ^tccsdnew 10:37, 23 January 2015 (UTC)

Then it usually gets played twice. Our article on "God Save the Queen" writes: "The same tune was therefore played twice before the Euro 96 qualifying match between Northern Ireland and Liechtenstein; likewise when England played Liechtenstein in a Euro 2004 qualifier." ---Sluzzelin talk 11:07, 23 January 2015 (UTC)

(ec) I watched the opening of an England-Liechtenstein football match a while back. Both God Save the Queen and Oben am jungen Rhein were played and sung. AlexTiefling (talk) 11:08, 23 January 2015 (UTC)

This might have been a more common occurrence had the Germans kept their previous national anthem, abandoned in 1922, Heil dir im Siegerkranz which also used the God Save the Queen tune. Alansplodge (talk) 00:42, 25 January 2015 (UTC)

January 24

video zoom in filmmaking

You are making a professional movie (i.e. it will be shown on full sized theater screens) with professional high resolution video equipment. You take a certain live action shot that can't be repeated. During editing you realize you want to zoom in on a certain part of the frame.

1. Is that a normal thing to do with editing software, to get an effect that looks like you zoomed with the camera instead of afterwards? That is I don't just mean crop the frame for the whole scene. It's supposed to look like you started with a wider shot, then zoomed or brought the camera closer during the shot.
2. Is the loss of resolution likely to be noticable to viewers during projection, if the scene is just a few seconds long? The zooming isn't to show fine detail, but rather to just emphasize the part of the scene being zoomed on. Let's say the zoom factor is moderate, like 1.5x or 2x, but not extreme.

Thanks. 50.0.205.75 (talk) 19:26, 24 January 2015 (UTC)

It certainly wouldn't be their first choice (optical zoom would be), but I suppose it's a lot quicker than re-shooting a scene. So, if they are nearing their budget limit, they might be tempted to take shortcuts like that. StuRat (talk) 06:44, 25 January 2015 (UTC)

Re-shooting the scene was absolutely impossible in the situation in question (one-of-a-kind footage, not a budget issue). My question is whether simulating zoooming during editing is a known technique supported by existing software. Thanks. 50.0.205.75 (talk) 15:49, 25 January 2015 (UTC)

January 25

Happiness is...

I listen to older stuff in general, so I don't know much about popular music. Beginning several months ago, I've occasionally heard a song in public places (e.g. fast food restaurants) that repeats a line, seemingly "Happiness is [rest] the way you feel". It's a male singer with an American accent. Can anyone guess what the song is, and/or the correct lyrics? Google provides six results for "happiness is the way you feel"; presumably I'd get lots more hits for something that's been popular now for several months. Nyttend (talk) 06:06, 25 January 2015 (UTC)

Happy by Pharrell Williams. Here's a clip. StuRat (talk) 06:36, 25 January 2015 (UTC)

Google "room without a roof" and you'll probably get plenty of hits. ←Baseball Bugs ^{What's up, Doc?} carrots→ 06:48, 25 January 2015 (UTC)

And if you like older stuff, here's one from the 60s,[4] and one of the TV commercials it spawned.[5] ←Baseball Bugs ^{What's up, Doc?} carrots→ 07:09, 25 January 2015 (UTC)

Another question about DeflateGate

Here is another question about DeflateGate. There has been some theory (and, perhaps, even a defense by the Patriots) that the weather somehow caused the footballs to deflate. (I believe that's what I have been reading in the news.) How would that explain that the footballs of only one team deflated, while the footballs of the other did not? Has that issue been raised? Is there any plausible (innocent) explanation that would allow one set of footballs to deflate, yet not the other set? Thanks. Joseph A. Spadaro (talk) 16:17, 25 January 2015 (UTC)

No, unless the Colts' footballs were also deflated and no one caught it. One recent report said that the game balls in the second half were monitored by the officials. The second half is when the Patriots got the majority of their scoring. ←Baseball Bugs ^{What's up, Doc?} carrots→ 16:56, 25 January 2015 (UTC)

Contestants appearing on a game show

I believe I have read that they often tape several episodes of game shows on the same day, back to back (which will later broadcast on different days to the TV public). As such, the game-show host will change his clothes several times, so that each taping (of each new episode) appears like it was filmed on a different date altogether. My question concerns the clothing of the contestants. First, do contestants wear their own clothes on the show? (I can't imagine that the TV show buys each contestant a new wardrobe.) Second, do the contestants also change clothes in between same-day episode filming, in the same way that the host does? Third – and most importantly, to me – does anyone know if the show gives the contestants any set of "rules" about their apparel? A list of things that they are allowed (or not allowed) to wear? I am curious if anyone knows anything about this topic. Thanks. Joseph A. Spadaro (talk) 16:23, 25 January 2015 (UTC)

I appeared on University Challenge. We were told not to wear clothes that were too "busy" - that is, would be a distraction for the viewers (I can't remember the exact phrasing), not to wear white, and to take a plain jersey in case something had to be covered up. We were also told not to wear anything that could be construed as advertising, or as supporting a product or political or social cause. Multiple episodes were filmed, but they shuffled the audience around a bit so that supporters from the unis currently being recorded are at the front; I suppose this is so they can get louder cheers. RomanSpa (talk) 16:55, 25 January 2015 (UTC)

Thanks. Interesting. So, did they tell you to bring several days of clothing? Or did you wear the same outfit in all of the different episodes (taped on the same day)? Thanks. Joseph A. Spadaro (talk) 17:32, 25 January 2015 (UTC)

On The Price is Right, where the audience is full of potential contestants, nobody is allowed to wear advertising or costumes. They also ban you from the building if you have game show experience and don't offer parking. You will be "processed" in a "holding area". It's a very challenging career path. InedibleHulk (talk) 17:49, January 25, 2015 (UTC)

And you can apparently bring a chest, so long as it's not an ice chest. InedibleHulk (talk) 17:51, January 25, 2015 (UTC)

Here, they stress "ABSOLUTELY NO OPEN-TOED SHOES, NO HIGH HEELS, NO PLATFORMS, AND NO SANDALS OR FLIP FLOPS OF ANY KIND WILL BE ALLOWED INSIDE THE STUDIO." I guess CBS has been sued by a viral video star or two. InedibleHulk (talk) 17:58, January 25, 2015 (UTC)

Yep. InedibleHulk (talk) 17:59, January 25, 2015 (UTC)

Ken Jennings in his book Brainiac: Adventures in the Curious, Competitive, Compulsive World of Trivia Buffs talks about his first day arriving to play Jeopardy!:

As the guard at the gate checks IDs, I open the passenger-side back door to pull out the two spare changes of clothes that Jeopardy! asks you to bring.

The clothes aren't there.

...

As we file into the greenroom, I am conspicuously the only contestant not finding a place to hang a bulky garment bag.

Fortunately his wife is with him and she manages to retrieve the clothes from where he'd left them. Anyway, he goes on to address the point explicitly:

If you win your game, you have no time to revel in your victory, call your mom, or do a Terrell Owens end zone dance. You and Alex are rushed backstage to change outfits—in separate dressing rooms, mind you—and as soon as your skirt is zipped or your tie is tied, you're yanked back on set to start all over again. Alex's clever introductory repartee pretends to the home audience that twenty-four hours have passed. ("On yesterday's show, folks—and it must have been yesterday, mind you, not ten minutes ago, because you'll notice that I'm wearing a blue tie now, and yesterday, as these photos reveal, I had a maroon one on...") Five separate shows back-to-back makes for an exhausting day.

--65.94.50.4 (talk) 19:13, 25 January 2015 (UTC)