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Sources

There is a huge amount of unsourced material here. Almost every fact on the page is unsourced. In fact, the entire article seems to be compromised of Original research and unverifiable facts. And there seems to be opinions strewn throughout the article. Cleanup needed desperately. 68.199.208.46 (talk) 02:50, 13 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Age

How long do they live? And how can you tell how old they are?

Chows are like any other animal, the length of their age depends a lot on how well they are taken care of and their overall health. I think generally they live anywhere from 12 to 16 years, with most seeing at least 14. Of course that's only an approximation, a lot of factors can go into how long they'll live. Chows seem to start developing gray hair at around 7, but other than that I'm not sure how you'd gauge the age. The best bet is to consult a local vet.--Brownings (talk) 12:18, 19 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Age Response II

My wife and I parented 2 black chow mixes (purple tongues). They were both approximately 17 years old when they passed. I agree with User:Brownings about the variables that determine a dog's health and longevity. Sometime before they were 10 years old we switched to a well designed raw food diet and eliminated trips to the vet except for checkups and maintenance until they were around 15-16. There are many other variables which might deserve its on wiki page. Zerostatetechnologies (talk) 02:36, 14 September 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Like cats

Could anyone expand on this? I've read in forums that they're like cats because, although they bond with people, are very independent. Is this what the sentence mean? You will not find your chow chow jumping on kitchen counters or poncing onto you. But to answer your question, yes, their independence is what makes them cat-like. They are self thinkers. They decide when they want to do something. They will let you know when they want affection. They can be in the same room with you, but not necessary under your feet. They are very lazy, but they love their family. If you have ever had a cat and dog, then you have seen the difference between them. A dog wants to please you. A dog likes learning new commands, etc. A cat, however, will train you to suit their needs. That's how I think a chow chow relates closer to the cat-like personality. You need to be aware of this or you may find your chow chow a little bossy. The chow chow can be such a very well behaved dog, that you may think it doesn't really need obedience training. However, it probably needs as much as any other dog breed and it also needs socialization from a young age too. The cat-like personality makes you think it doesn't need as much training or socialization, but your chow chow will think for taking the time. And you will be glade you did. That way your chow chow will know who is boss (YOU). September 2009 —Preceding unsigned comment added by 130.127.5.160 (talk) 14:29, 16 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Not Like Cats

Chows can be independent, but not like cats. Chows are known for bonding to one person/family (extreme loyalty) ^[1]. That person/family becomes their center of gravity. They aren't like cats in that this extreme loyalty has them often focus on their bonded alpha/parent. Once they establish their place in the "pack", then they are internally directed ^[2] on serving their purpose/functions in the pack (which does often look like independence, but is really just a self-assured interdependence. The few times we went on vacation without our chows, they stayed with family they loved, knew and trusted but they were agitated the entire time we were gone and would spend a great deal of time during their "day" looking for my wife and I. My chows were never lazy. In regards to chows being bossy, they quite often will push to alpha in most social situations and non-related chows in the same home will struggle with the alpha dominance with each other until it is very clear who is who. This requires the chow human-parent to understand their instinct to push and be able to love them firmly and create good boundaries for the home and for outside the home. We were basically forced to train both our chows after introducing the second one into the home. They were both smart and learned quickly once worked with by a great trainer (Lee Mannix) ^[3]. Probably my final thought on chow chows being like cats is that my boy and girl chow both chased cats and deer and everything else (including a red laser)that they could sensed moving. All dogs regardless of breed are unique, so some or all of the above information might be true in some specific context. Chows require unwavering dog enthusiasts as parents, the chow is not for casual or part time parenting. Zerostatetechnologies (talk) 03:09, 14 September 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Color of Chow Chow in the Picture

It's mislabeled. The chow chow in the photo is considered "red" by AKC standards. http://www.akc.org/breeds/chow_chow/ Generally "red" chow's are blond with some red highlights. Cream chow's are solid blond. Cinnamon chow's are more brown than the one pictured. The chow chow in the photo is clearly a "red" chow by breed standards and has been mislabeled by someone who doesn't understand the coloring. Agrippina Minor (talk) 05:02, 13 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Also, while I'm sure they're very sweet dogs, the dogs pictured in the "Appearance" section and the one characterized as an "old chow" don't have faces characteristic of the modern chow standard. I would favor replacing them with some more representative photos. John2510 (talk) 03:48, 12 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I substituted a more representative chow photo for the "distinctive features." One in profile with the back leg structure and tail would be better yet... but there isn't one in the wikimedia commons at this point. The picture of the old chow is kind of blurry and not representative. It should probably be removed or replaced. John2510 (talk) 18:54, 16 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Edible chows vs. Shar pei

When I got a chow/shepherd mix, I look both chow chow and shar pei up on some web pages. I found some that had almost identical info but the breeds reversed (one said chows were noble hunting/family protection dogs and the shar pei was just bred for food, while the other page had almost exact wording but in reverse). This article looks well written, but is there any confusion on the origin of these two breeds?--Paddling bear (talk) 03:51, 29 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

This page is terrible when it comes to wikipedia standards.

Because of this I've added the original research template. The only great part of this page is the history part, there are references. Until I see more references, I wouldn't trust any of the information you read on this page. Especially "However, displays of timidity and aggression are uncharacteristic of well-bred and well-socialized specimens", where is the research? 69.5.227.71 (talk) 11:33, 13 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

There are no scholars wasting grant dollars to research and write peer-reviewed articles on the temperment of any one specific breed of dog. The information on this page is likely garnered through years of EXPERIENCE living and training this breed. So calm down. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.134.90.27 (talk) 22:11, 26 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Many of the Dog articles are in a similar condition with respect to citations. I am currently working on the Shetland Sheepdog page with respect to clean up and citations, it IS POSSIBLE to cite information and it doesn't need to be direct from research papers. While years of experience is nice, unfortunately you still need to reference it from somewhere (a book, a website, something!). It is a pain, I know! It does need citations for all information regardless of how much experience any one person may be relying on. I would swap the original research template for the needs more citations template. Cheers, Keetanii (talk) 08:49, 2 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, "experience" usually isn't good on wikipedia. See Wikipedia:Verifiability and Wikipedia:No_original_research for more information. ItsWolfeh (talk) 04:46, 2 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]

The "However, displays of timidity and aggression are uncharacteristic of well-bred and well-socialized specimens" statement is very accurate, and can easily be sourced back to the Chow Chow Club of America's written standard. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 174.97.171.72 (talk) 16:46, 6 January 2012 (UTC) ches The Temperament section of every dog breed article in Wikipedia appears to have been written by fans or breeders of that breed, none of them have anything negative to say about the intelligence or aggressiveness of the dog. Seeing time and time again "This breed is well behaved if it's well-bred and well-socialized" seems redundant and biased. I've seen in multiple outside sources that Chow Chows are considered one of the least intelligent dog breeds, but that doesn't show up here. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 65.107.186.18 (talk) 19:04, 2 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]

You don't like Chow-chows? They are not unintellingent at all. They just don't obey. http://www.winkchows.com/ChowChow.pdf And they don't care for strangers at all. Hafspajen (talk) 19:29, 2 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]

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Speaking from personal experience (3 time Chow owner), they are of average or better intelligence. They probably seem less intelligent because they (the dogs) don't care what people think about them. They don't play "fetch" or obey a lot of commands but that is by choice. We currently have a Lab-Shepherd mix who seems smarter because of her interaction with the family but she is definitely not any smarter than any of the Chows I have had. (I gave them all an IQ test. Just kidding!) However, Chows are definitely an aggressive breed. I am a Chow lover but I don't let that blind me to the "personality" that my dogs have had. Two were very sweet but I could still feel an underlying aggressiveness in many situations. One was more typical and we had to get rid of her when our oldest child turned 1 because she became very nasty toward him. All that said, training and socialization do help. Andrew S. (talk) 04:53, 21 May 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Flealess?

I have read in a book about dogs that Chows are the only dogs that have no fleas. Is this true? 156.8.251.250 (talk) 06:59, 15 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]

A simple google search would say no, they are not flealess. I'm actually reading that fleas are very hard to get rid of when they get on a chow, probably because of the double coat, and they love the environment. ItsWolfeh (talk) 01:51, 2 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]

depends - for the short hair chows (smooth coat kind) - they can have fleas and they are very easy to eliminate with the usual pharmaceutical products — Preceding unsigned comment added by 85.27.15.5 (talk) 21:24, 28 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]

I can say from first hand experience that they are NOT flealess. Got a puppy from someone who kept them in the barn on their property and she was covered in fleas. Transferred them to the adult Chow we already had. Happy to report that one good bath with anti-flea shampoo in conjunction with "flea bombing" the house took care of the problem in one treatment. Andrew S. (talk) 04:42, 21 May 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Pablo Neruda

was another famous chow chow owner. Actually his famous poem 'a dog has died' was dedicated to his chow chow, as it is quite obvious for anyone who is familiar with the character of the breed. This is proved by this http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lwi210CkxS1r3isexo1_500.jpg photo. This fact is in my opinion quite important, firstly for the relevance of the owner, secondly because it is probably the only documented poetic composition dedicated to this breed.

DrEnrico (talk) 19:10, 10 November 2012 (UTC)DrEnrico[reply]

Vanna Bonta's Chow Chows

Waleg, IMDB bios and trivia sections, and other such sites are not reliable sources. Please provide reliable sources for Bonta's ownership of chow chows, and stop reinstating the unreliable sources. — Preceding unsigned comment added by BenedictineMalediction (talk • contribs)

First of all, you removed the whole enrty with this edit, commenting - Removed non-famous owner of a chow-chow. Now that by itself is enought to react. That sounds like a hidden agenda to me. Vanna Bonta is probably famous enough to be included in that list. I reinstated the entry, and added , you removed that one to. Three times you did this. Until somebody comes around, adding a better one, we stick to what we have. At least it is something. Hafspajen (talk) 20:15, 7 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]

And the Internet Movie Database - is an online database of information related to films, television programs, and video games, including cast, production crew, fictional characters, biographies, plot summaries, trivia and reviews. Can't imagine this entry about her being the slightest controversial. People are not supposed to question facts only if they indeed are controversial. Tough, I have noticed that some people tagg things like human's usually have two legs. Hafspajen (talk) 20:22, 7 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Ancient breeds do not exist

Ancient breed dogs was a term once used for a group of dogs by the American Kennel Club,^[4] but no longer.^[5] These breeds were referred to as ancient breeds, as opposed to modern breeds, because historically it was once believed that they had origins dating back over 500 years. It was later found that some were not as old as thought, challenging the ancient breed assumption.^[6]

We need to stop referring to the Chow Chow as an ancient breed because the term no longer exists. William Harris • talk • 10:54, 26 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]

IP keeps on adding this phrase, but the source given doesn't describe the Chow as an "ancient breed". IP ought to explain where in the source the dog is referred to as such. Xanthomelanoussprog (talk) 12:12, 1 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]

References

^ http://dogtime.com/dog-breeds/chow-chow#/slide/1
^ http://sourcesofinsight.com/seven-meta-programs-for-understanding-people/
^ http://morefunthandirt.com/about-us/
^ American Kennel Club (2006). Complete Dog Book. Ballantine Books; 20 edition. ISBN 0345476263.
^ American Kennel Club. "Dog breed groups".
^ Larson, G (2012). "Rethinking dog domestication by integrating genetics, archeology, and biogeography". doi:10.1073/pnas.1203005109. {{cite journal}}: Cite journal requires |journal= (help)

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[3] ttp://morefunthandirt.com/about-us/

[4] American Kennel Club (2006). Complete Dog Book. Ballantine Books; 20 edition. ISBN 0345476263.

[5] American Kennel Club. "Dog breed groups".

[6] Larson, G (2012). "Rethinking dog domestication by integrating genetics, archeology, and biogeography". doi:10.1073/pnas.1203005109. {{cite journal}}: Cite journal requires |journal= (help)

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