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Vladimir Luxuria

I'm pretty sure the italian Vladimir Luxuria was the first transgender mp in Europe, and that's what her wikipedia page says, am I wrong? Kevinlokomotiv (talk) 17:45, 17 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Cleanup

I added the cleanup tag since the South Africa text needs to be rewritten; possibly other sections as well. 83.177.66.212 13:12, 6 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Indeed the South African stuff does need a re-write. The position IIRC is that the Apartheid Government actually passed a law granting rights to transsexuals and post apartheid these rights are now enshrined in the constitution. But I don't have references. Additionally the Australia, New Zealand and Canada are not in Africa!!:-) Wilmot1 23:13, 11 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

This needs major work, seperating out into country-specific parts. Morwen - Talk 13:04, 3 Jul 2004 (UTC)

That too, but what's with the mess under Corbett vs Corbett? It looks like someone's put half the information about Australia's "Kevin" case under that - but it starts talking about the English decision, and then goes straight into talking about "Chisholm", without mentioning who the heck he is. Ambivalenthysteria 13:17, 3 Jul 2004 (UTC)

I've taken a hacksaw to the UK bit, basically rewriting it entirely. The bit about medical treatment is rather anecdotal, I shall try to find references. Morwen - Talk 15:35, 4 Jul 2004 (UTC)

Looks much better. Nice work! :) Ambivalenthysteria 15:45, 4 Jul 2004 (UTC)
The UK section is very lucid. It certainly makes plain how deficient the United States section is, though admittedly conveying a correct and itemized understanding of rights, procedures, etc., in the 50 states is a much more difficult job. Wareh 18:41, 20 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Not Enough Mention of Opposed Countries

Reading this slough, there is hardly any mention of countries that ban or have no tolerance for these actions. Surely the summary at the start shoould note that a good chunk of countries are opposed and do not allow. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 206.116.147.67 (talk) 06:21, 4 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Historically in the United Kingdom, transsexual people had succeeded in getting their birth certificates changed and marriages conducted. However, this was not legally tested until the case of Corbett v Corbett in 1970, where Arthur Corbett attempted to annul his marriage to April Ashley on the grounds that transsexuals were not recognised in English law. It was decided that, for the purposes of marriage, a post-operative transsexual was considered to be of the sex they had at birth.

Hum. Where does the case of Sir Ewan Forbes, 11th Baronet come into this? Born female, changed gender in 1952, ruled legitimate heir to a baronetcy in 1968. Shimgray | talk | 21:25, 26 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

That would be part of the "historically recognised until Corbett vs. Corbett". Reference and add it :)
As a side note, I think the Corbett vs. Corbett case said that transsexuals changes sex for all purposes bar marriage, but also stated that the birth certificate shouldn't be changed. Thankfully the EU court finally overruled this recently (despite several prior attempts).
Cheers! Lauren♫/∆ 00:56, 27 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Passports and Australia

Just added in a new section, please feel free to keep an eye on it as new news comes in. I'm pretty sure that good ol' Downer will launch an appeal, just as the federal government appealed Kevin's case.

Lwollert 03:47, 9 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

“Transsexualism” → “gender transition”

At the risk of trying to paint a bike shed: I propose the title be changed from “Legal aspects of transsexualism” to “Legal aspects of gender transition”.

Strictly, the legal issues arise from changing the gender with which one is publicly and legally associated, rather than from being associated with an incorrect gender.

(Also, “transsexualism” sounds more like a medical complaint than a run-in with society's preconceptions.)—Greg K Nicholson (talk) 23:30, 16 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

  • Support - At first glance, I was going to oppose this idea, but upon thinking about it for a bit longer, it is actually a very sensible idea, with a more appropriate name. (I've "!voted" so when the discussion dies down, it is easier to see what the consensus is, I encourage others commenting to do the same) Jenuk1985 | Talk 23:40, 16 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I know this is an old section, but I would like to revive this discussion as I also find the current tittle "Legal aspects of transsexualism" not to be the best fit for this article. I like the suggestion made above by User:Gregknicholson to rename the article to "Legal aspects of gender transition" as not all folks wishing to undertake a gender transition wish to do so medically or identify as a transsexual. --Devin Murphy (talk) 04:16, 29 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Not all people who are born with transsexual body-parts (e.g. girls who are born with masculinized body-parts) like the idea that this condition has to do with a gender-identification. A body is a body. --5.56.219.54 (talk) 14:29, 3 April 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Edit made to Japan section

I edited out a section in the legal statis of transsexualism in Japan. Originally the section claimed that transexuals are constantly laughed at through TV show and commercials yet there is no source or referance to back this up. The same can be said with several other aspects that I removed such as transexuals that are offered jobs that lead them to suicide or slavery. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 108.18.145.209 (talk) 04:00, 27 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]

New resource

This may be of use for this article: http://www.transrespect-transphobia.org/en_US/mapping.htm --Alynna (talk) 19:53, 30 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]

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The result of the proposal was moved. I'm not sure how well this matches our treatment of Transsexualism and Transgenderism elsewhere, but there's certainly consensus here, and it's probably other pages that should follow this lead. --BDD (talk) 17:21, 12 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Legal aspects of transsexualism → Legal aspects of transgenderism – Transsexual is a term that is no longer used popularly and actually represents a smaller portion of the transgender community than transgenders themselves. A similar discussion is happened here. -Euphoria42 (talk) 03:44, 28 August 2015 (UTC) --Relisted. Natg 19 (talk) 00:54, 4 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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Egypt & Lebanon

according to these two articles, gender change has been legal in Egypt since 10 years ago, and in lebanon few days gao http://www.madamasr.com/sections/politics/being-transgender-egypt http://www.gaystarnews.com/article/lebanon-grants-trans-people-right-to-legally-change-their-gender/#gs.ddba47202e6a49cea9fc63ef236529b9

we need someone to change the map and update the article etc...

--208.118.170.2 (talk) 20:24, 14 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Lead section and large block quotes

I think the lead section here is too bulky. There is some information with weasel words that could be cut or use citation. "There is now greater understanding..." with no citation demonstrating this. Under the Philippines section there is use of a large block quote and some paraphrasing.VeygonKeesh (talk) 07:10, 18 September 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Requested move 24 March 2017

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Legal aspects of transgenderism → Transgender rights – I propose that the page be renamed, in line with various "Transgender rights in country" articles, such as Transgender rights in the United States. This removes an unnecessary "-ism" from the page name, increases consistency across articles, and may help make it easier to find.

The page Transgender rights currently redirects to LGBT rights by country or territory. The page Legal aspects of transsexualism in the United States redirects to Transgender rights in the United States. Trankuility (talk) 05:06, 24 March 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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The UN Human Rights Committee, Australia, and transitioning while married

The UN Human Rights Committee ruled in favor of a transgender woman who is seeking to remain married while transitioning. Current Australian law states that if a person seeks to change their birth certificate, they must get divorced first. I know this is non-binding (I think), but I think this is significant enough to earn a mention somewhere in the article.[1][2] — Preceding unsigned comment added by TenorTwelve (talk • contribs) 01:52, 26 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]

References

  1. ^ https://www.buzzfeed.com/lanesainty/trans-woman-behind-landmark-un-decision-speaks?utm_term=.sdrjm14qQr#.qcxmayNLr6
  2. ^ https://www.buzzfeed.com/lanesainty/un-backs-married-trans-woman-fighting-for-birth-certificate?utm_term=.rpjYOZpkmJ#.ttE06A3pqe

Lead sentence needs definition

The lead sentence needs to have a definition of the title topic. This can either be bolded, or not bolded if it doesn't make sense to include the title string in the first sentence (but in the case of this topic, it should be included and bolded). In either case, the definition needs to occur in sentence #1. Mathglot (talk) 19:35, 24 October 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Proposed uniform table of rights

Right to change legal name Right to change legal gender Right to access medical treatment Right to marry Anti-discrimination laws Hate speech/hate crime laws

Please can any thoughts on this be made, here. I hope to be able to begin implementing this soon. Intersex rights and Sexual orientation rights are a lot fuller than the equivalent for Transgender rights, including a lack of simple table. Sport and politics (talk) 12:40, 22 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

There are a lot of issues in transgender rights: Right to have gender affirmative parental status , Right to change legal gender without genital surgery, Right to sustain former heterosexual marriage(Right to change legal gender without divorce). Right to change legal gender of who have children and etc. --Sharouser (talk) 04:00, 24 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]
The table currently in the article doesn't provide useful information — it provides a good/bad distinction, whereas there are many different aspects to consider. I'd definitely support any improvement to the table. It would be useful also to consider that some of these rights in some jurisdictions are subject to medical approval, to providing evidence of having lived as the person's preferred gender identity for an amount of time, to have had surgery, or to be sterilised. While the table you're proposing, @Sport and politics: would definitely be an improvement, can you also please ensure you don't simplify countries down to a simple yes/no? Thanks! — OwenBlacker (talk; please {{ping}} me in replies) 20:50, 18 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Iran is terrible on trans rights

The claim "As of 2008, Iran carries out more sex change operations than any other nation in the world except for Thailand." which is based on several inaccurate and spin-doctored articles published by The Guardian. Even Maryam Khatoon Molkara had to go outside of Iran for her vaginoplasty. Surgeons in Iran don't have the requisite urological training. As of 2018, one directory of surgeons has no surgeon in Iran who performs male-to-female SRS.[1] On the other hands, you'll find the names of more than 30 surgeons in Thailand easily.

Additionally, in Iran, trans people only have a right to exist--nothing else. No right to serve as military officers or serve in any government positions. No government protections either.--58.142.9.141 (talk) 17:50, 11 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]

I don't want to contribute to an edit war on this page, but I did a search and found a more recent news story in a reliable source (AP) that you might add for additional perspective on current attitudes toward trans people in Iran. Funcrunch (talk) 21:12, 11 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Transgenders people are "officially recognized" means they can exist. That's all. What about getting a job? "When you apply for a job in Iran, you have to prove that you completed your mandatory military service or provide official documents showing that you were exempted. Transgender people are exempted from military service but, often, the army doesn’t know what to write on the forms. So some transgender people end up with things like “mental health issues” or “hormone imbalance” written on their files, which can cause them problems when they are seeking employment." [2] --58.142.9.141 (talk) 01:03, 12 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]
What about protection against police harassment of trans people? "Hasti, a 30-year-old trans woman was detained and harassed by the Iranian police for wearing makeup and presenting as a woman at a private function." [3]--58.142.9.141 (talk) 01:10, 12 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Looks very useful, if no one else adds, I will read again and maybe try to add when I am awake. The very concerning forced gender reassignment of LGB people also deserves a mention (though maybe slightly off topic) ~ BOD ~ TALK 23:36, 11 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]
The "forced gender reassignment" claims are fictitious.--58.142.9.141 (talk) 01:06, 12 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Iran claims =

Please provide the website in English or Farsi of one (1) SRS surgeon in Iran who performs vaginoplasty before inserting false claims of 1000's of vaginoplasty being performed in Iran annually!??!--58.142.9.141 (talk) 20:06, 11 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]

I respectfully ask ~ please do not direct insulting language at other editors in your edits or edit summaries. Just because surgeons are not listed at transheathcare, is not necessary proof that the surgeries have not taken place. As someone deeply concerned about trans rights I would welcome and accept being corrected. ~ BOD ~ TALK 23:36, 11 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]
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