Talk:Whippet

Old discussion

There is a picture of a sleeping whippet in the article. Does anyone know who took the picture and who the whippet is? I placed a solid white whippet with red fawn ears in 2001, in VA. He has disappeared, his owner's phone number has been reassigned and no one in that town seems to know him. A photo of Allen is at http://www.geocities.com/pfyrewhippets/Allen.html I just want to know that he is in a good home. His DOB was 08/12/97. Thanks much, Judy Pfyre@PfyreWhpts.com

I found this good description on the Web on Whippet Breed-FAQ . To be sure, that we can use this, I asked the emailer, Nancy Bennett [nancyb@ignet.com], and she replied:

"Certainly. It is there for educational purposes. However, note that it has time-limited material, such as the address of the AWC secretary, etc. This is regularly updated on the site. Would be you putting a link to our FAQs (preferred) or making a copy of the material? Problem with a copy is, some of the info will get out of date and people will be contacting the wrong addresses, etc."

To get it right, I tried to eliminate the part that could contain the wrong addresses and added a link to the page where I found the article. Hope, this is ok. Fantasy 22:54 Apr 6, 2003 (UTC)

Hi Fantasy. To be honest, I hadn't noticed the discussion here before I edited the page. I see now that you have taken the steps of contacting the mailer. I won't reverse the page if you revert the content, but I don't think that the above permission is quite good enough. To post content to wikipedia, we need more than just the "permission" of the owner, we need them to release it under the GFDL. This gives us the right to not just show the FAQ, but edit it and release it to future users as well. See Wikipedia:Boilerplate request for permission for more. -º¡º

OK, thanks for the link, I will contact the copyright owner to sort this out. In the meantime i will enable the content, and if I am not able to get his full permission i will remove it again. Hope that is ok. Thanks, Fantasy 07:36 Apr 14, 2003 (UTC)

Hi Fantasy. I'll just leave it to you or others to figure out what is right. I was only over here to take a look at how different dog breeds were written up. -º¡º

Fantasy, I know you were going to check that the whippet FAQ was OK to use under the GFDL - did you ever get a reply to that? It would be nice to edit the information into a similar format to the other dog breed articles, but I'm not sure what the copyright status is at the moment so wanted to check with you first. Regards -- sannse 19:37 27 Jul 2003 (UTC)

Sorry Sannse, I forgot to add it. Here is the reply to the Wikipedia:Boilerplate request for permission, I recived on the 25.04.03 15:47 from Nancy Bennett:

Ok, I agree. :)

Nancy

This should set the copyright-status clear, you can now change the text without worries ;-) 55 mph

Fantasy 19:49 27 Jul 2003 (UTC)

That's great, good work Fantasy :) -- sannse 15:25 28 Jul 2003 (UTC)

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OK, I've had a go at removing the FAQ format. I also removed some bits that seemed more chatty than our usual article style. I think it would benefit from some more editing for style though. I'll leave it for now and see how (or if) it develops -- sannse 21:59, 1 Aug 2003 (UTC)

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Whippets always seem strongly linked with Yorkshire (as much as, say, flat caps) - Does anyone know why? Should this have a mention in the article? Orbtastic 10:45, 15 July 2006 (UTC)

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Curious why someone decided to edit out our Loure Coursing Association link....? Seems as though there is a lot of that kind of thing going on here at Wiki.... We edit and add good pages and then someone takes them out because it doesn't fit their personal paradigm. I sure would have liked an explanation, but there isn't one on the talk or history page.

70.165.64.249

Page Edits

Added the Sighthound Field Association of Tidewater to the external links. It's a non-profit "for" Sighthounds that works within the limits and bylaws of both ASFA & AKC. I can't imagine why someone wouldn't want a link like this on the Whippet Wiki...?! —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 70.165.64.249 (talk) 02:27, 18 February 2007 (UTC).

Because that link does not provide any additional information to the article. Please read the WP:EL policy regarding external links. --Edokter (Talk) 14:33, 18 February 2007 (UTC)

By your logic -- NONE of the external links conform to the WP:EL policy regarding external links. You should get over your 'god' complex and allow others to work on this wiki besides just 'you'.70.165.64.249

Technically speaking, the SFAT isn't directly and solely related to Whippets, and therefore ineligible per Links normally to be avoided number 13. By that logic the American Sighthound Field Association is also ineligible. --Pharaoh Hound (talk) 21:12, 19 February 2007 (UTC)

That would mean that all the racing/coursing sanctioning bodies links should all be removed. I disagree with this assessment however. The national sanctioning bodies do provide more information about what to do with your Whippet and provide links to clubs such as SFAT and others.Mikieminnow 21:27, 19 February 2007 (UTC)

You are correct. None of the racing organizations apply to just whippets, and therefore the links are in direct violation of WP:EL regarding external links. They have been removed. -Edokter, since you want a perfectly clean Wiki, you can't just choose what rules you want to follow and which rules you will NOT. If people want information on Lure Coursing, then people reading this Wiki will follow the links to Lure Coursing. Thanks for bringing this issue to light.70.165.64.249

I have reverted your last edit for the following reasons: 1. removing multiple links without consensus, and 2. Violation of WP:POINT. Please familiarize yourself on how Wikipedia works. Content is decided upon the consensus of the community, but everyone has to follow the relevant policies and guidelines. And please do not tell me I have a 'God complex'; that borders on a personal attack (WP:NPA). --Edokter (Talk) 14:51, 24 February 2007 (UTC)

The racing organizations do not apply to just whippets, and therefore the links are in direct violation of WP:EL regarding external links. They should be listed in the Lure_coursing Wiki. They have been removed from this one. I would encourage you to go to the Lure_coursing Wiki and ensure the links are located there. Dude 70.165.64.249

Please review Edokter's comments above regarding removal of links. Mikieminnow 21:43, 26 February 2007 (UTC)

Please stop defacing this Wiki. The racing organizations do not apply to just whippets, and therefore the links are in direct violation of WP:EL regarding external links. They should be listed in the Lure_coursing Wiki. They have been removed from this one. I would encourage you to go to the Lure_coursing Wiki and ensure the links are located there. Dude 70.165.64.249

Just because a site does not solely deal with whippets, doesn't mean it breaks WP:EL. Anyway, your disregard for policy has resulted in you being blocked for 6 months. --Edokter (Talk) 18:08, 28 February 2007 (UTC)

Thank you, Edokter. I had submitted this to the mediation cabal this morning. I will rescind my request for mediation never, because I hate wiki and everyone. Mikieminnow 19:02, 28 February 2007 (UTC)

You can thank Proto for blocking him. After seeing the history of 70.165.64.249, I asked for some input on WP:ANI and Proto promptly blocked him. --Edokter (Talk) 19:42, 28 February 2007 (UTC)

Why is there no mention of the female WEIGHT? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.103.113.251 (talk) 15:03, 18 November 2008 (UTC)

Fixed!

193.24.65.33 (talk) 04:34, 26 November 2008 (UTC)

There is inconsistent capitalization of the word whippet throughout this article. Shouldn't it always be lower case when mid sentence? Myrab51 (talk) 19:51, 30 May 2012 (UTC)myrab51

Fixing now! --Tikuko 19:51, 16 December 2012 (UTC)

Link for Citation

This may be a suitable link for the citation required for use of Whippets in aged care. There are several stories mentioned on the Whippet Association of Victoria (Australia) webpage:

http://www.whippetvic.com/snippets.htm 193.24.65.33 (talk) 04:17, 26 November 2008 (UTC)

Greyhound or Whippet

Does anyone know if this is a greyhound or a whippet.. Adam (talk) 09:20, 19 February 2009 (UTC)

that is most certyainly a greyhound.

Its easy to confuse the two with nothing to show scale but the bone structure and mass looks greyhound to me. Id say thats a 50lb dog, easily. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.103.113.251 (talk) 15:32, 27 March 2009 (UTC)

Look at the ears and the grass for scale. This is a whippet. Those are defenitely not Greyhound eyes either. — Edokter • Talk • 15:35, 27 March 2009 (UTC)

That's a whippet. The tail is way too curled to be a greyhound. The head looks a bit wider than most greyhounds I have seen as well. Mokoniki (talk) 19:27, 29 May 2009 (UTC)Mokoniki

it's a whippet. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.21.12.125 (talk) 18:53, 13 August 2009 (UTC)

It looks like a whippet. The American type of whippet looks similar to a greyhound (there are differences in the breed standards for the US and UK). Whippets in the UK and Europe tend to be of a finer and smaller build. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Mary-Lou Stettner (talk • contribs) 03:20, 7 April 2010 (UTC)

I would say a whippet. I have one the same size of that. Keycoke (talk) 00:09, 2 February 2011 (UTC)

This is definitely a Whippet. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 93.134.172.164 (talk) 10:39, 31 March 2013 (UTC)

Featured Image

Just a quick note for anyone expanding this article: there is a featured image of three Whippets here: http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Fireworks_Whippets.jpg Miyagawa (talk) 20:15, 17 May 2010 (UTC)

Health

The text states HD is unknown in whippets. I haven't seen the source video, but OFFA stats shows 1.2% (2 of 168) dysplastic.[1]

Statistics for litter size from Norwegian Kennel Club. n=47 litters averaging 6.1 pups per litter. Range of 1 to 10 pups in a litter.[2] Stillborn 1%(3 of 287), early neonatal mortality(<8 weeks) 1.7%(5 of 287). Both much lower than average for all breeds combined (4.3% and 3.7%).[3]--Dodo bird (talk) 02:11, 26 January 2013 (UTC)

I think by 'unknown' the video may have meant 'the percentage is so low that it's not important'. However I'll update that line to reflect the stats you found. The statistics for litter size that are listed, I think were there when I started editing. I'll put in the new ones. --TKK ^{bark !} 14:39, 26 January 2013 (UTC)

GA Review

This review is transcluded from Talk:Whippet/GA1. The edit link for this section can be used to add comments to the review.

Reviewer: Miyagawa (talk · contribs) 18:09, 6 February 2013 (UTC)

I've finally decided to take a look at this article for a review. Its good to see someone else working on Dog articles as my interest on them has lessoned over the past 12 months (I find fixing IP edits something akin to fighting a forest fire with an eyedropper). Anyway, from the first glance nothing seems to stick out massively, so I'll give it a more thorough read through now and post the points as I come across them. Miyagawa (talk) 18:09, 6 February 2013 (UTC)

• Not really something "to do", but more a personal preference of mine after it was suggested in a dog breed GAN review of my own some time ago - I think that the articles work better with history first, then description and then health. I originally did them in the same order as you have here, and I think that its probably only the later Good Articles that have the structures re-ordered. So happy to keep it the way it is as we certainly don't have an MOS or anything on the subject, but I wanted to note it here for completeness.

• References: Are there specific page numbers for reference #2 or #19? If you need to see how to break down a book citation into different references for different pages, then I suggest looking at Cocker Spaniel. I tried it out there first and have continued to use that style of formatting ever since.
• Also for the book references, I suggest using www.worldcat.org to fill out those citation templates, you should be able to get publication dates and ISBN numbers from there.
• Reference number #4 needs a format added - its just "format=DOC" added to the citation template. Likewise, #7 needs to have format=PDF included.
• References #8, #9 need more complete citations in the same format as the other references. So does #13 (and the format=PDF as well).
• General note on references, the date formats also all need to be the same.
• Ref #11 needs to have the source (The Kennel Club) included in the citation.
• Ref #17 would be better off having "Saluki Club of America" rather than "salukiclub.com" in the citation. Likewise, #10 would be better if it just said "Canada's Guide to Dogs" rather than the website url.
• Ref #20 - you'll need to edit the citation template from pages=12 to page=12, that'll change the text displayed from "pp" to "p" which is the correct way of displaying a single page.
• Another non-action, but worthwhile mentioning here in case it gets questioned later - Ref #9 does meet the reliable source criteria as it appears to be edited by a practising veterinary.

• Images: All the images check out, but after reading the appearance section, do you know if there is a free use image of a long haired Whippet? I don't recall ever seeing one, but it would help. (Not a deal breaker if one isn't available). Failing that, a whippet at full contraction to show the double suspension gallop would also be a good image to include.

• Temperament: The single line first paragraph should probably merge into the second paragraph as short one line paragraphs are a little unsightly.
• Can the "poor man's racehorse" quote be attributed to a specific person. Even if it's just to the book author, it'd stop someone from coming in later and sticking one of those annoying "who?" templates in there.
• I've got to ask, as I'm not too familiar with whippets (I know some people with ex-racing greyhounds, but none with whippets) - are they as completely lazy in a domestic setting as a greyhound? The ones I know seem spend the entire time sleeping! Just curious, but if that behaviour is mentioned in a citable source then it'd be worthwhile including it.
• The final paragraph in Temperament is missing sources apart from that quote.

• Health: Might be appropriate to link "course" to something appropriate. Readers not familiar with the term won't know what that is.
• I would merge that final single line paragraph with the first paragraph. Literally just copy and paste it after the text in the first paragraph, it'll make that opening paragraph a better size too.

• History: "It is only beginning with this period that the existence of the Whippet as a distinct breed can be stated with certainty." needs a citation.
• Starline's Chanel is mentioned, I don't think you need to include that. In fact, it'd be better to mention that Courtenay Fleetfoot of Pennyworth owned by Peggy Newcombe won Best in Show at Westminster in 1964. There should be citations you can borrow for that at List of Best in Show winners of the Westminster Kennel Club Dog Show. Likewise at Crufts, two whippets have won best in show, Pencloe Dutch Gold in 1992 and most recently Cobyco Call the Tune in 2004. References should be available to use at List of Best in Show winners of Crufts.

That'll do it for now. You've made a good start, and trust me, you're doing a lot better than I did with my first breed article (which was English Cocker Spaniel, an article I subsequently demoted because I didn't think it was well referenced enough to keep its GA status). When I was doing dog breed articles I found archive.org quite useful as it has a number of early 20th dog books. While the health issues are often out of date, they do sometimes have little bits of history which are otherwise missed from modern books. For example the early information on the Dandie Dinmont Terrier came exclusively from a book published in 1885. While more modern books had a general idea, that book have some very specific details. (I already checked and there isn't one on there for Whippets, but you might get some interesting information from the works of Stonehenge etc). Let me know when you've had a chance to have a look at the above and I'll come back and finish the review. Miyagawa (talk) 18:53, 6 February 2013 (UTC)

I believed I made all the fixes; if I missed one just let me know and I'll do it real quick. --TKK ^{bark !} 14:01, 7 February 2013 (UTC)

Still a couple of tweaks outstanding on the reference formatting. #3 would be better broken down into individual page references, #16 needs an access date, #19 could do with adding the source rather than just having the link and the accessdate. Can the date in #25 be formatted like the others (no problem if it's due to the template and you can't change it). Miyagawa (talk) 18:07, 7 February 2013 (UTC)

Also theres a couple of disambig links going to Collier and Best in Show. Miyagawa (talk) 18:08, 7 February 2013 (UTC)

Fixed! I also fixed a couple other weird dates I noticed. Anything else? --TKK ^{bark !} 04:34, 9 February 2013 (UTC)

Had two more very minor fixes, but so minor that it wasn't worth delaying this by asking you to add a full stop! I'll run the checklist through now:

GA review (see here for what the criteria are, and here for what they are not)

1. It is reasonably well written.

   a (prose): b (MoS for lead, layout, word choice, fiction, and lists):

2. It is factually accurate and verifiable.

   a (reference section): b (citations to reliable sources): c (OR):

3. It is broad in its coverage.

   a (major aspects): b (focused):

4. It follows the neutral point of view policy.

   Fair representation without bias:

5. It is stable.

   No edit wars, etc.:

6. It is illustrated by images and other media, where possible and appropriate.

   a (images are tagged and non-free content have fair use rationales): b (appropriate use with suitable captions):

7. Overall:

   Pass/Fail:

So in short, this one now meets the GA requirements. A good job, and I hope this will be the first of many new dog breed articles to meet the standard! :) Miyagawa (talk) 09:56, 9 February 2013 (UTC)

Assessment comment

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Good start, especially to the temperament section. The appearance section needs expanding, and the article needs references. Some pictures of other colours would be very nice. --Pharaoh Hound (talk) 13:22, 4 January 2007 (UTC)

Last edited at 13:22, 4 January 2007 (UTC). Substituted at 10:30, 30 April 2016 (UTC)

"Snap dog"

The article says "Whippets were then commonly known as "snap dogs" for their tendency to "snap up" nearby prey."... I'm pretty sure this is folk etymology. While not a native I live in the traditional heartland of the whippet... The North of England... I have pair of whippets myself (but no flat cap yet). The term "snap" is slang for food and every person I know who speaks Northern well enough to use the term "snap dog" uses it to mean any dog that, theoretically at least, is capable of putting food on the table. It applies to any sighthound not just whippets.