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"Vic" nickname is not needed

Per MOS:LEGALNAME, Vic is a hypocorism of Victor, so it doesn't need to be listed in the lead sentence. Please stop adding this to the article. AngusWOOF (bark • sniff) 05:06, 18 July 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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Sexual Harassment Allegations

The main point about Vic 'Apoligizing' should be removed, he released a statement in which at no point did he every apoligize for anything. Currently it implies that he accepted responsibility and admitted guilt which is categorically untrue. This is awful bias.

Should anything be added about the sexual harassment allegations that have recently surfaced against Vic Mignogna? Or should we wait until someone other than just Polygon reports on it? –Nahald (talk) 01:25, 28 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]

  • Per WP:BLPCRIME, it shouldn't be listed unless he's convicted or it's reported he has paid some settlement concerning this. Also compare with Illich Guardiola which actually made national news. AngusWOOF (bark • sniff) 16:30, 31 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Vic has been fired from Rooster Teeth [1] [2]; he had a major role as Qrow in RWBY. I think the significance of which warrants a new section regarding the sexual allegations and the impact it's had on his career. Sk8erPrince (talk) 06:48, 5 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
I've added a brief paragraph explaining the controversy, including information regarding his Rooster Teeth/Funimation firings. WP:BLPCRIME does not apply to Mignogna as he's a public figure, and the controversy has since been covered by numerous reliable media outlets. I'm reasonably certain that what I've written is BLP-compliant. FlotillaFlotsam (talk) 06:40, 6 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you. I believe a BLP should document facts, even if it does not paint the subject in a positive light. That's what true NPOV is about. Sk8erPrince (talk) 11:21, 6 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
That looks okay. It just wasn't standing out with just ANN and Rooster, but IGN, Newsweek, and Polygon do make this more notable. AngusWOOF (bark • sniff) 15:20, 6 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Please add that he is still INNOCENT until PROVEN GUILTY. Unless any actual lawsuits drop please add the information that these are weak allegations. Greetings from a rational human being. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 95.90.219.210 (talk) 19:58, 6 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]

The word Allegations is enough. Zero Serenity (talk - contributions) 20:08, 6 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
IP, we're not adding that. Wikipedia is neither the court of law nor the court of public opinion, so we'll refrain from implementing such wordings. It is not our job to clear Vic's name, nor smear it. The only thing we do here is document facts, and what we've gathered so far is that these allegations are affecting Vic's career. Sk8erPrince (talk) 20:11, 6 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
I've removed "numerous"and combined the tweets from Rial and Marchi. Also removed the context of "at work", as that was not specified, and would definitely bring up lawsuits with the companies or organizations involved if he behaved like that at work. AngusWOOF (bark • sniff) 20:41, 10 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Changed "numerous" to "multiple" as per the article. Please stick with verbiage from the sources. AngusWOOF (bark • sniff) 22:47, 11 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Minor edit: change "Voice actresses Monica Rial and Jamie Marchi also tweeted their support for those speaking out, and shared their own experiences of being sexually harassed by Mignogna" to "Voice actresses Monica Rial and Jamie Marchi also tweeted their support for those speaking out, and shared their own alleged experiences of being sexually harassed by Mignogna." AdequateStew (talk) 21:38, 27 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]

 Already done Closing as this request seems to be already done. If this request hasn't been completed please reopen it and explain the change needed in the form of "please change X to Y". Alucard 16❯❯❯ chat? 17:20, 5 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]

He's out

Just a quicky, all we have is a tweet and will need an RS to back up the tweet when Funimation (likely) issues a press release. Zero Serenity (talk - contributions) 23:08, 11 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]

  • I already added it to the article. I'll try to back up the tweet too. lullabying (talk) 00:02, 12 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Voice actors vs. voice actresses

In this recent edit I did, I clarified that Rial and Marchi were voice actresses. However, they were reverted twice. Rather than get involved in an edit war and violate WP:3RR, I'm taking the WP:BRD route. Is it necessary to clarify Rial and Marchi as "voice actors" or "voice actresses"? Thanks. Lord Sjones23 (talk - contributions) 05:33, 15 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Your edits were completely unnecessary and reject the notion that male voice actors would speak out in condemnation of Mignona. EDIT: When a talk page discussion is occurring, youre supposed to leave it how it was before the conflict. NOT to how you prefer--Fradio71 (talk) 05:35, 15 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
You will note that I've been here since 2006 and I know about Wikipedia policies and guidelines, especially with regards to WP:EW and WP:BLP. I understand the difference between male and female voice actors (i.e. we refer to male actors as actors and female actors as actresses), but still, we may need consensus among other editors on what we can do in this case, so I've asked around to see what can be done here to differentiate between actors and actresses. Lord Sjones23 (talk - contributions) 05:44, 15 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
What was so wrong with gender neutral "actors"?--Fradio71 (talk) 05:49, 15 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
My concerns here are that while actors are gender neutral, I thought it would make more sense to list Rial and Marchi as "voice actresses" while referring to male actors like Kaplan as just "actors". It seems that we've got a bit confused, since this is our first time interacting with each other. At the same time, us Wikipedians should also show respect. I've already asked AngusWOOF, an uninvolved user, for his thoughts on the matter. Lord Sjones23 (talk - contributions) 05:53, 15 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Are you for real, Fradio? Stating Monica and Jamie as voice actresses has NOTHING to do with rejecting the notion of male VAs speaking against Vic. This is such a weak argument that you're grasping at straws here. Bad form. The fact of the matter is, only Monica and Jamie's tweets were being cited, and nobody else. Do you know how grammar works? We don't need consensus for this since this is just outright petty and childish. I'll take care of this for you, Sjones. Sk8erPrince (talk) 05:56, 15 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
@Sk8erPrince: Thanks. I didn't want to get involved in an edit war, since I've experienced those in the past and got blocked once for it. Lord Sjones23 (talk - contributions) 05:58, 15 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Yeah no, you do need consensus. Grammatically, there was no reason for it to change. The sentence read "…voice actors such as…". It would be sexist and dismissive of both genders to just say "Voice actresses". Again, it's nonsensical to grab every voice actor's tweet speaking out against him for sourcing. Just leave it alone--Fradio71 (talk) 06:02, 15 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Wow. Just wow. Not only are you getting offended at non-existent issues, since you are CLEARLY blowing this out of proportion, you're also accusing us of being sexist and dismissive of both genders? Yeeeeeesh. This is the main reason why we couldn't let you have your way - stop getting so triggered and try to think rationally for once. Also, if you really want to talk about consensus, it's currently 2 against 1. Take the L, and admit that you need to reevaluate yourself.
Furthermore, where's the "such as" portion in the following excerpt?
Voice actresses Monica Rial and Jamie Marchi also tweeted their support for those speaking out, and shared their own experiences of being sexually harassed by Mignogna. Additionally, voice actor Neil Kaplan recounted his own experiences with Mignogna at a convention, citing that he was mounted on and used as a "prop tool" to amuse the audience.
The fact is, it's non-existent. You're just making up stuff that isn't there. If you think THIS wreaks of sexism, then you've got some serious issues. Sjones was kind enough to put up with you, but I personally think you need to be put in your place. Try to learn something from this. Sk8erPrince (talk) 06:33, 15 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Sk8erPrince, I'm going to have to ask you to tone it down a notch and be WP:CIVIL. No need for personal attacks. I do see where Fradio71 is going with this though. Using "actresses" can imply that none of the male voice actors spoke out against him (which they did, even though most of them didn't tweet out personal accounts). At the same time, the paragraph does already mention "Multiple accounts..." as a gender neutral term. lullabying (talk) 16:53, 15 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
I removed Kaplan's tweet about prop tools and "I never liked him" as that was constructed mainly to smear the person. Wikipedia isn't for one-star Yelp reviews and would need to be at the level of a Barry Bonds#Public persona with a preponderance of unfavorable opinion to be mentioned. As for VA being actor or actress, I was the one who combined the tweets into one sentence and citation for WP:WEIGHT. Marchi and Rial's tweets are strong enough to get the point across as highly notable VAs. Actor or actress semantic, it doesn't matter. It shouldn't be a running diary WP:NOTDIARY AngusWOOF (bark • sniff) 15:40, 15 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
What you said about Neil makes sense, and I don't object to you removing it, Angus. What I DO have a problem with is Fradio's hung up on trivial semantics and likening them to sexist undertones. Honestly, who cares? Sk8erPrince (talk) 15:49, 15 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Hopefully this isn't off-topic, but would it be okay to add Samantha Inoue-Harte's personal account here too? lullabying (talk) 16:53, 15 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
As with #Metoo, the key actors can be mentioned, but it should be the ones that would make secondary source news for their opinion, not everyone who has anything to say about it, as again, that would make it a diary and subject to WP:ADVOCACY. AngusWOOF (bark • sniff) 18:54, 15 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
No, SK8erPrince, the trivial semantics was changing it to "actresses" in the first place. Which was my point. You are the one getting so hung up on them that you're in here threatening me--Fradio71 (talk) 17:32, 15 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]

His Career is over

Let's replace present with 2019 on both his career sub boxes. And you better not say no, because if you do, I am going to flip shit!140.146.203.22 (talk) 02:19, 20 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]

K. If you say so. Sk8erPrince (talk) 02:21, 20 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Emotion and no source. Will revert any changes made Ikmxx (talk) 08:30, 25 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
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