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Semi-protected edit request on 1 June 2019

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Erling Braut Haland scored 20 goals for Molde, not 14. This is proven in multiple sources including ESPN and Transfermarkt Shubox12 (talk) 13:25, 1 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. Saying it's proven in sources without providing the sources is not helpful. NiciVampireHeart 21:57, 1 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Home town

Since he is born in Leeds, but has spent most of his life in Bryne it could be added as his home town in the biography box? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 80.239.57.137 (talk) 12:48, 19 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]

The football biography infobox doesn't support a "hometown" field. This sort of information is probably better off being explained in prose within the article itself. Kosack (talk) 13:08, 19 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]

The name is written wrongly throughout the article, including in the title

His name is Erling Braut Haaland and not Håland. It is true that a person with an "Å" in their name often write it with two A's in English, but some people have their name written with two A's in Norwegian as well, and in that case it would be wrong to translate it into an Å. So calling him Håland is incorrect.

Look for any source in Norwegian, including any news article^[1] written about him, his Norwegian Wikipedia-article^[2] as well as his own Instagram profile^[3]. It is not written with an Å.

TerjePee (talk) 14:43, 15 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

References

2020 Transfer

It should be added that Borussia Dortmund has secured the transfer of Haland to their club in the Summer of 2020. Red Bull Salzburg are to get 20 million euro for this, as per the special buyout clause in Haland's contract with RB Salzburg. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 50.67.13.101 (talk) 07:16, 15 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Do you have a reliable source for that? Kosack (talk) 07:49, 15 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Quick Maffs

"Later on, he scored a goal against Napoli to be the first teenager to score in four consecutive matches, and fourth player to achieve that feat, following Zé Carlos, Alessandro Del Piero and Diego Costa.[7] On 27 November, he scored another goal against Genk, to reach five consecutive matches, and to join Alessandro Del Piero, Serhiy Rebrov, Neymar, Cristiano Ronaldo and Robert Lewandowski in doing so.[27][28]"

How was Haaland the fourth player to score in four consecutive Champions League games, but the sixth to score in FIVE consecutive matches? 2A00:23C5:E1AB:4500:4032:B006:C050:1DBB (talk) 15:17, 27 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Requested move 19 January 2020

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The result of the move request was: no consensus. (closed by non-admin page mover) NNADIGOODLUCK (Talk|Contribs) 21:35, 16 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Erling Braut Håland → Erling Braut Haaland – Per WP:COMMONNAME (485k results for Erling Braut Håland, of which 21k in the news section, compared to 1.5m results for Erling Braut Haaland, with 139k results in the news section). Also, the Norwegian Football Federation, UEFA and Borussia Dortmund all call him Haaland, not Håland. Nehme₁₄₉₉ (talk) 02:25, 19 January 2020 (UTC) —Relisting. — Amakuru (talk) 15:46, 28 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]
EDIT: The page should be moved to Erling Haaland: as Ortizesp pointed out, his middle name is being less and less used. If one searches for "haaland" on google, 90% of news articles just call him "Erling Haaland", omitting his second name. Nehme₁₄₉₉ (talk) 17:12, 19 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Support because according to WP:USEENGLISH, diacritics of common name needs to removed because diacritic was unknown in English with exception of foreign words. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 180.245.111.65 (talk) 03:23, 19 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Support Erling Haaland His middle name has been used less and less, and no one else has the same name. More search results if you cut it out as well.--Ortizesp (talk) 16:52, 19 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]

I agree with you, the page should really be moved to Erling Haaland for the reasons you stated. Nehme₁₄₉₉ (talk) 17:12, 19 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]

In which case it would be Erling Håland, not a Germanized aaa. In ictu oculi (talk) 23:25, 19 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in WikiProject Football's list of association football-related page moves. Giant Snowman 17:04, 19 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose - this is because English-language sources do not use diacrritics, in the same way that Pelé is most spelt 'Pele' - it's lazy and wrong. Either keep at Erling Braut Håland or lose the middle name and move to Erling Håland. Giant Snowman 17:08, 19 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose IP has failed to read the guideline cited. Norwegian international footballers do not have "English names", Håland is his name. We don't change people's nationalities on en.wp, excepting Latin names of alchemists from the Middle Ages. In ictu oculi (talk) 23:25, 19 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]

@GiantSnowman and @In ictu oculi: source 1 in the article states: "Because after the transition to Salzburg he has chosen a somewhat more friendly name for international clubs, media and fans. He has deliberately switched the å in Håland to two a's in Haaland." Nehme₁₄₉₉ (talk) 23:31, 19 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]

And that's in Germany. No. We don't Germanize Norwegians. In ictu oculi (talk) 10:15, 20 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Support Erling Haaland His instagram account is Erling Braut Haaland with the URL https://www.instagram.com/erling.haaland/ both use Haaland. The Norwegian wikipedia article used https://no.wikipedia.org/wiki/Erling_Braut_Haaland from the start. However at first they used Erling Braut Håland in the text and then moved to Haaland back on 9 September 2018. https://no.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Erling_Braut_Haaland&diff=prev&oldid=18814458. The Norwegian wikipedia is clearly more authorative in the current spelling of Norwegian names. RonaldDuncan (talk) 18:05, 20 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Instagram's a red herring. Like many social media, they don't allow foreign characters in its handles. VEO^onefive 21:22, 23 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose per reasons stated. The descandinavisation is a result of keyboards outside that part of his world being limited and the convenience of typing 'aa' instead of working out the Alt-code or bringing up Character Map each time. This is supposed to be encyclopaedic content, not a lazy write-up. VEO^onefive 21:22, 23 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose per GiantSnowman. Basically English-language sources don't use diacritics and that's why Haaland is used more often. Personally I'd rather removing his middle name since it's rarely used now and moving the article to Erling Håland. Ben5218 (talk) 09:01, 25 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose His name is spelt Håland. Would not be adverse to a move to Erling Håland to drop the middle name though. The proposed move would also result in him having his name spelt differently to his father, which would look a bit silly. Number 57 12:44, 25 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]
- It would look silly, but most sources refer to them both as "Haaland" these days. – Pee Jay 11:07, 1 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Support Haaland per no:Erling Braut Haaland. —Jonny Nixon (talk) 15:24, 25 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Comment looks like there's at least a consensus to drop the middle name? Or should a separate RM be opened?--Ortizesp (talk) 23:51, 25 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose per GiantSnowman. --ThurnerRupert (talk) 05:19, 27 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Support Haaland or Braut Haaland. The Norwegian football association uses Braut Haaland. https://www.fotball.no/fotballdata/person/profil/?fiksId=3608320 Cashewnøtt (talk) 11:05, 27 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Support move to Erling Haaland. Per WP:DIACRITICS, whether diacritics are used or not depends on common usage, and Erling Haaland is clearly overwhelmingly the choice recently according to Google Trends - [1]. Interestingly, even in Norway itself, the use of Haaland has increased while Håland declined, to the point that the latest data point shows Haaland to be the preferred spelling - [2]. This is in addition to the fact that the player himself prefers the use of Haaland and changed the spelling of his surname himself - [3]. Hzh (talk) 21:35, 27 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Support move to Erling Braut Haaland. Never once have I encountered his name without Braut, on the other hand he is frequently nicknamed i.e. "Brauten" in colloquial terms, even in the Norwegian press, for instance Dagbladet 20 January 2020. "Erling Haaland" gives 7 Norwegian newspaper hits, contra 217 for his full name. Haaland, however, is a name form selected by himself and subsequently the Football Association of Norway, which seals the case for me. Haaland is not nonsensical like "Pele" since it's the pre-1917 way to write Håland, and is a common Norwegian surname. Geschichte (talk) 11:37, 28 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Comment. I've noticed that the article about his father, Alf-Inge Håland, is using Håland and not Haaland, so the proposed move would result in Erling having his name spelt differently to his father, which wouldn't be the best thing to do. Ben5218 (talk) 17:07, 28 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]

His father's article is irrelevant here. It's the same name, simply the form without the diacritic. What matters is common usage, Erling Haaland himself prefers it, and more Norwegian sources are using Haaland now as indicated by Google Trends. I notice that none of oppose iVote has mentioned any Wikipedia policy or guideline on the issue. Hzh (talk) 19:55, 28 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose per GiantSnowman. KingSkyLord (talk | contribs) 01:20, 29 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]

GiantSnowman's argument can be shown to be incorrect by Google Trends which indicates that even the Norwegian are now using Haaland in greater number - [4]. therefore English-language sources not using diacritics is no longer relevant here. Hzh (talk) 01:43, 29 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Support In September 2019 he choose to change his family name from Håland to Haaland, so this will be used much more in the future.[5] The Norwegian media often refer to him with the full name (Erling Braut Haaland), but internationally is Erling Haaland used a lot. - Premeditated (talk) 20:50, 30 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Support He has changed his name to Erling Braut Haaland. He's using it himself and most sources now use his new name. His father has also changed his name from Alf-Inge Håland to Alfie Haaland. Tholme (talk) 21:51, 4 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Support per Premeditated. ^{O̲L̲D̲S̲T̲O̲N̲E̲}_{J̅A̅M̅E̅S̅} 18:06, 5 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose WP:RECENTISM. APM (talk) 15:13, 7 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]

He's been using the name for over a year now, and Haaland has always been an Anglicization of Håland. This argument doesn't make sense.--Ortizesp (talk) 19:28, 7 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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Pronunciation

The pronunciation of his name is /ˈhɔːlɑːn/, not /ˈhɔːlɑːnd/ - the "d" at the end of such Norwegian words and names is NOT pronounced. You can clearly hear it here - https://forvo.com/search/H%C3%A5land/ --Christomir (talk) 16:03, 15 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]

That pronunciation is the English one ({{IPA-en}}, not the Norwegian one. You can add the norwegian pronunciation with {{IPA-no}} Nehme₁₄₉₉ (talk) 19:31, 15 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Fist Middle Last Name Issues

Hey!

I suggest naming this article Erling Haaland. However, the description should be: Erling Braut Håland (born 21 July 2000), better known as Erling Haaland, is a Norwegian professional footballer who plays as a striker for [whatever the club's name is] and the Norway national team.

Middle name should be dropped from the title as the player does not use it professionally. The Haaland spelling is now his official and the one for back of his jerseys as well. However, I highly doubt he has changed his legal name in his Norwegian passport. Just can't see any incentive for that. So, he is Håland in Norway but Haaland for the outside world not familiar with the Norwegian language. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 5.165.8.118 (talk) 08:44, 20 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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Erling made 14 appearances and scored 18 goals for Bryne 2 in 3 divisjon (4th tier) in Norway in the 15-16 season. This should be represented in the player profile box as they are senior appearances.

Source: https://www.fotball.no/fotballdata/person/profil/?fiksId=3608320 Knutarnesel (talk) 12:13, 25 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]

"Although eligible to play for the England national team, Haaland chose Norway."

According to which source is Haaland a British citizen? Being born in England is not enough to make him eligible. -2001:14BA:1FFE:7100:18B9:E543:FCA4:301D (talk) 12:18, 25 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Yes it is. It absolutely is. Not really sure what else to say here. 77.99.89.230 (talk) 17:29, 9 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

According to FIFA rules citizenship is a necessary precondition for eligibility. It can not be replaced by being born somewhere or other considerations. -2001:14BA:1FFE:7100:8121:60B6:5D7F:6DE4 (talk) 14:26, 11 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

"Any player who refers to art. 5 par. 1 to assumes a new nationality and who has not played international football [in a match (either in full or in part) in an official competition of any category or any type of football] shall be eligible to play for the new representative team only if he fulfils one of the following conditions: a) He was born on the territory of the relevant association" 77.99.89.230 (talk) 13:26, 12 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Håland vs Haaland in lead

The entire article body and article title uses "Håland", whereas the lead uses "Haaland". At the very least, the body and lead should use the same convention. No consensus has yet been established for the article title (or perhaps even the article convention), but at the very least it should be consistent within the article. I'll make the change for consistency, which is independent of whether consensus for one or the other option is reached.

For what it's worth, the source on the name change discusses his name change for football registration and media purposes which doesn't necessarily mean an official name change. But that's for the separate discussion on the article title and article convention. — MarkH₂₁^talk 23:59, 28 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]

[1] ttps://www.vg.no/sport/fotball/i/MRXlP5/nff-med-ulike-krav-til-haaland-og-oedegaard

[2] ttps://no.wikipedia.org/wiki/Erling_Braut_Haaland

[3] ttps://www.instagram.com/erling.haaland

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