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Need help for creating an article

Hi there, I need help for creating an article which is about a living person, I've already added enough resources to prove the notability criteria. Anyone out there who can guide me in this regard. Jugni (talk) 18:57, 7 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

If you are convinced that your draft at Draft:Amjad Saqib satisfies the requirements, you can submit it for review using the blue "Submit" button. --David Biddulph (talk) 19:34, 7 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

You will, however, need to satisfy yourself and the reviewers that you have addressed the problems that caused previous attempts at Amjad Saqib to be deleted and the creation salted. --David Biddulph (talk) 19:37, 7 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

David Biddulph Thanks for the reply. This is what I'm actually seeking guidance from some expert here to improve the health of my article specially notability criteria. I'm also working on some other articles too and want to learn how to write a perfect one. Jugni (talk) 18:46, 8 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Jugni, try Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Pakistan. Best, Usedtobecool ☎️ 18:53, 9 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

So far you need to provide sources that he wrote those books, also are you working on your phone? Several sentences are spaced out for no reason and you added some headers without any information below. Remember you can write information that you have sources off, if you don't want to write a header for example "Achievements" don't write it. Editoneer (talk) 13:05, 10 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Editoneer Thank you so much for your time and reviewing the draft. No I don't make edits on phone. Achievements were removed due to high promotional tone which is still there.I need to work on it. Although I have added enough sources to support the information but same were deleted last time. Could you please guide me of what sources would be acceptable for an author to support his own writing. ? Would highly appreciate your help. Jugni (talk) 17:35, 11 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

If are news that's fine, they are need to be a neutral point of view but if they sound promotional it might not be reliable. Blog posts or other encyclopedias aren't reliable. I want you to visit Wikipedia:Reliable sources. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Editoneer (talk • contribs) 19:07, 11 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Review edit

My recent contribution on Ghanaian musician Draft:Vudumane was moved to the draft space for lacking verifiable sources. I had made more research and added more sources. Can any experienced Wikipedian be my guide in moving it back?? Geezygee (talk) 22:47, 9 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Geezygee, welcome to the Teahouse. When you're ready to put it up for review, add {{subst:submit}} to the top of the page. Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝) 23:06, 9 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Geezygee, the references that I've checked are all based on interviews with Vudumame, and therefore don't qualify as independent. What is needed is several reliable independent sources with extensive discussion of him. Maproom (talk) 23:11, 9 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks Maproom and Tenryuu 🐲. I will still lookout for more independent sources. Again, can you check the validity of this draft Draft:Gifty Ayew Asare fit for Wikipedia ?? --Geezygee (talk) 14:10, 11 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Article Referencing Guidelines for Dr. George Ambartsoumian

I am new and the learning curve of wikipedia is pretty steep for me. I really appreciate if you can help me with my chosen article on Dr. George Ambartsoumian. If you can give me an example of what exactly is missing It would be helpful. I found that Dr. George Ambartsoumian had a mention on Canadian Government website as well as EY website which I put in citation but maybe I did it wrong. Please advise and welcome to modify the page for me as its my first I will be really thankful to all members. Thank you in advance for your mentorship! --Junaidbusn170/sandbox (talk) —Preceding undated comment added 17:39, 10 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Junaidbusn170, welcome to the Teahouse. Reading the comments the reviewer left behind it seems that while the subject may be notable and thus worthy of an article, other sources would be preferred and I can see why: only 1 of them (the Horizon Weekly page) gives Dr. Ambartsoumian a paragraph, but that's not really enough to be considered a good source. All the other ones mention him in passing (in fact, 4 of the sources lead to the exact same article where he is mentioned as a recipient for an award). Dr. Ambartsoumian can't just be mentioned; he has to be a prominent subject being talked about in an article rather than a passing mention. Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝) 21:45, 10 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Tenryuu Thanks for you kind reply. I now understand what it meant i.e. the chosen links must be completely about Dr. George Ambartsoumian. I will try to find something about him. I chose Dr. Ambartsoumian because of Ernst & Young and the Canadian Government mentioned him, thinking it would be easy first article. But I was wrong. I would say Thanks to you again. Will look for another page about him. Do you think I need 1 or 2 or more? Should I actually try to contact them that I am writing about them and if they can give me good references? Thanks again You are my Good Great Mentor now. ~~Junaidbusn170/sandbox~~

@Junaidbusn170: I suggest 2 or 3 good sources; that's usually enough to satisfy most new article reviewers. You don't need to contact Dr. Ambartsoumian yourself, and generally that's not recommended as we would like relatively neutral sources.

Also, please sign your posts with 4 tildes (~) at the end, as not doing so prevents me from seeing notifications that you've sent me a response with the {{U}} template. --Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝) 22:02, 10 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

I renamed the article to Draft: George Ambartsoumian. We don't need his title. Robert McClenon (talk) 17:16, 11 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

I added two more references and actually found a good one from 2013 and Is it ok to add linkedin? I found that and included it as well for Draft: George Ambartsoumian. I hope this time I signed my reply post properly. Junaidbusn170 (talk) 18:17, 11 March 2020 (UTC) ~~Junaidbusn170/sandbox~~[reply]

Hello All - Best Editor for Newbie

Hi All,

Thanks as I received invitation to join TeaHouse. What an excellent way to greet newbie. I am doing fair bit of self-learning. Adding to Corona Virus for Singapore and few others, as I feel this is a social responsibility for all of us. Editing chart manually and table using Visual Editor was great. May I know which editor is best recommended for newbie? Regards -PBT — Preceding unsigned comment added by PayBackThyme (talk • contribs) 04:54, 11 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

PayBackThyme, Visual editor is intended for people unfamiliar with coding and is currently highly limited in functionality. I have been using source editing since my very first day. I am not sure any editor is tailored for a wikipedia newbie, per se. Best, Usedtobecool ☎️ 06:27, 11 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for your suggestion Usedtobecool. I will prefer to stick to manual editor in this case. PayBackThyme (talk) 07:00, 11 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Shameless plug: PayBackThyme, if you're sticking to source code editing, may I suggest Cacycle's wikEd editor? It adds buttons to the top of the editing window to instantly add table and image codes. It also colourises the code to make it easier to view. Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝) 23:28, 11 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Tenryuu Thanks for your suggestions. I have started using it and it looks great to me.PBT 12:58, 12 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Nominate for deletion

How do I nominate an image for deletion in a Talk page? Is there a format for this? Typing on mobile view

Talk:Sealing (Mormonism)

Doddyfar (talk)needhelp —Preceding undated comment added 05:08, 11 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Doddyfar, why are you nominating it for deletion? If it's under the intent that it is "obscene," understand that Wikipedia is not censored, in particular, this excerpt:

Some organizations' rules or traditions call for secrecy with regard to certain information about them. Such restrictions do not apply to Wikipedia, because Wikipedia is not a member of those organizations; thus Wikipedia will not remove such information from articles if it is otherwise encyclopedic.

Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝) 05:44, 11 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Hoping for some clarification

I've been reading all the editing materials between looking up stuff on actual pages. There are about 20 pages that I kinda of keep track. I have to be honest that I'm either confused or simply don't think editing is for me, although I know I could offer some good. On 3 of the pages I watch I overlap with another guy that has me confused about brd and this is what i'm hoping to get some kind of clarity.

On the 3 pages there's a user that no matter what someone does it is reverted. Literally everything. It's confusing because many, but not all, of the changes I think are good. A little by accident I found the talk page and boy some exchanges are scary. The guy is so intractable and two users have essentially said screw it and give up. One apparently tried to complain that the person made too many reversals and the guy got banned for awhile awhile back. But it seems all it did was educate them to wording things and it appears people just give up. To me that's a shame that one person can dominate something like that.

So having said all that, it makes me not even want to edit at all because life is too short and dealing with someone that can't see a balanced view is pretty frustrating. So is editing even worth it? I'm afraid to edit any page because if I take the time and run into someone else like that I know it'd drive me crazy. So is editing even worth it?

Thank you for any input. ILoveTVifitsgood (talk) 05:25, 11 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Hello and welcome! I am not sure which page you are talking about, as your account looks to be an hour old and this is your only edit. Care to point us to the page in question? Also, seeing as there are 5 million pages, the best strategy is sometimes to move on to a page where you can edit conflict-free.ThatMontrealIP (talk) 05:29, 11 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

ThatMontrealIP, 6 actually

-- Usedtobecool ☎️ 06:22, 11 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

@ILoveTVifitsgood: There's some ambiguity in what you wrote, so it's not clear to me if the "serial-reverter" or the person that reported him was blocked. If it was the person whose behavior you are complaining about, and they are legitimately doing something wrong again, you would help the project by reporting it – we don't want WP:OWN or WP:UNCIVIL behavior running off potential contributions/contributors. However, it may also be that the editor in question is correctly reverting changes that are wrong per, for example, WP:V. While such changes can "look good" at first glance, if they don't comply with policy, they should not remain. If you want more experienced eyes on the problem, just tell us where to look. —[AlanM1(talk)]— 08:27, 11 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Sayonara Player with reliable and independent sources

Hello members,

in October 2019 the draft article Draft: Sayonara Player has been created. Two months ago it was updated with reliable and independent sources. In the meantime five members worked in finishing a reliable Wiki entry. Could someone please review the current version?

2A02:908:1A74:4360:982B:5BC0:A1F8:5AED (talk) 07:37, 11 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

You could resubmit the draft, but as it stands, it is unlikely to pass. You need sources demonstrating the notability of the software, that is, sources that are both (1) independent of the subject, (2) reliable (meaning, published in an outlet with a history of proper editorial oversight) and (3) deal with the subject at length. Right now, the sources meeting (1) are:

[1] which according to [2] is pretty much user-generated content (see WP:SPS), failing (2)
[3] (wiki, so user-generated content, fails (2))
[4] is a blog so probably fails (2), and in addition three paragraphs likely fails (3)
[5] might be a good source (I have no idea whether the site meets (2))

So at best you have one good source, when "multiple" are required by WP:GNG. Tigraan^{Click here to contact me} 09:03, 11 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Hi 2A02:908:1A74:4360:982B:5BC0:A1F8:5AED, the reason your submission was denied was because it lacked many secondary and independent sources. There didn't seem to be any significant coverage and a quick Google search shows the only websites mentioning the software are download websites. Sadly, I don't think your article is notable enough to be on Wikipedia. Hope this helps. Bᴇʀʀᴇʟʏ • ^{Talk to me}∕_{What have I been doing} 09:54, 11 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Dear Tigraan and Berrely. Thanks for your answers, which I can't completely understand to be honest. In the Comparison of audio player software there are lots of less relevant players listed with almost no (1) independent or (2) reliable or (3) at length dealing with the subject sources like Guayadeque Music Player, JuK or with even no sources like MusikCube (how can this happen by the way?). After the submission was denied lots of independent sources had been added, but I wonder why there are so many different measurements, given the list of audio players in the English Wikipedia. I was searching for a mighty audio player in a Linux system for over 10 years or more and I would love to share my discovery, as it is the first capable player from my point of view and has been highly praised in tests (see references in the article draft).

Courtesy link: Draft: Sayonara Player 2A02:908:1A74:4360:78D9:9178:E4CD:36B5 (talk) 20:54, 12 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Wikipedia, because of its nature, contains lots of articles in violation of its policies. The existence of poor articles is no justification for the existence of other poor articles. Regarding the specific articles you listed... JuK has in its refs [6] and a (deadlink) Linux Magazine article. MusikCube indeed lacks sources but a quick search finds two reviews (the first one is from a usually-reliable outlet). For Guayadeque I find this and [7]. Maybe some of those are actually not enough, but they stand at least a decent chance at surviving an "articles for deletion" nomination, which Sayonara Player does not as far as I can see. (If you find an article that has no source and nothing that can be found online, feel free to nominate it for deletion or bring it up and we can do the nomination for you.) Tigraan^{Click here to contact me} 14:47, 13 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Publishing a template to the template name space

Hi, I want to publish a template to the template name space, how do I do that? Thanks. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Vepelza26 (talk • contribs) 09:23, 11 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Vepelza26, anyone can create a template, simply go to the template namespace and create it. I recommend reading H:TQG for more info. Bᴇʀʀᴇʟʏ • ^{Talk to me}∕_{What have I been doing} 09:57, 11 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Vepelza26, I notice that you have been placing content warning boxes on sex-related articles. If the template you have in mind is like the one just reverted here, please understand that such a template would misrepresent Wikipedia policy, especially WP:Wikipedia is not censored detailed at WP:Content disclaimer. See also WP:CSD#T2. • Gene93k (talk) 13:42, 11 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Getting email spam offering to write Wikipedia article about me. Not notable in any way.

I've got some spam. First line is " Hello ,We think you're eligible for a Wikipedia profile.! You have great milestones, and online publications are speaking about you. You deserve to be on Wikipedia, and we are here to deliver that for you. " It seems their business model is to charge anyone who will pay to make Wkipedia entries about them. Is there a Wikipedia abuse email address that I can send the spam to so they can get ahead of the curve of a deluge of articles about people with no notability? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 212.250.79.22 (talk) 10:44, 11 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Unfortunately, this sort of thing happens frequently and there isn't much that can be done about it. Paid editing is not forbidden as long as those engaging in it comply with WP:PAID. Anyone availing themselves of such services should not hand over any money until they see the end result- and understand that the paid editor can make no guarantees (such as writing an article that will not be deleted). 331dot (talk) 10:53, 11 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

First, you, or anyone who receives this sort of junk email, can add it to your spam blacklist (at least if you are receiving your email with an email client that has a spam blacklist - most do but some don't). Second, what might be useful would be a Wikipedia list of these sleazy operations, just for information. Is there such a list? Third, the fact that these paid editing houses are using spam to solicit customers may be a good sign in a perverse way. It may mean that they (the PR firms who do paid editing) aren't getting enough business from real small businesses, and so are having to scrape the bottom of the barrel by spamming. Robert McClenon (talk) 16:48, 11 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brathay_Trust

Hi I came across this https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brathay_Trust and I'm somewhat confused as I understand Brathay Exploration Trust was dissolved in 2016 - https://beta.companieshouse.gov.uk/company/03315620 - is there any way to contact the individual who put content up to check the current status of Brathay Trust Many thanks — Preceding unsigned comment added by 62.253.106.218 (talk) 12:11, 11 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Looking at their website and Twitter feed they are still active. Brathay Trust and the Brathay Exploration Group have their own pages; maybe you're thinking of the latter? Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝) 12:40, 11 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

How to add a verified source relating to death information?

I would like to update a page related to a person who has recently deceased. What is considered an appropriate verifiable source of data in this case? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Adjamali (talk • contribs) 14:23, 11 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Hello, Adjamali, and welcome to the Teahouse! To answer your question, it can be one of many sources, as long as they are considered to be reliable and trustworthy. Basically, a reliable source would be something like the New York Times. Just one question: What page were you referring to? Hope this helps, King of Scorpions 15:12, 11 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

What happens if i submit to review my article and then rejected

Hi,

I already repair my article based on (talk, - talk). However, what happens if I submit my article to review and then it is rejected, can I repair and resubmit again?

https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Teahouse&action=edit&section=39

kind regards

Sudrajat — Preceding unsigned comment added by MISudrajat (talk • contribs) 16:11, 11 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

MISudrajat Yes, you are able to modify and resubmit. However, in the article's current state, I would suggest it not be submitted quite yet. The referencing is probably OK, but some parts of it would need cleanup. It's a good start, it just needs a little more work before submission. Hope this helps, King of Scorpions 16:20, 11 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

MISudrajat, there are two levels of declining drafts. When a draft is declined, it means that it isn't suitable for the encyclopedia yet, but you can still resubmit it after making changes. A draft can also be rejected, which means it can not be resubmitted, except by reviewers themselves. This generally happens when a topic is clearly unsuitable for the encyclopedia, and typically is not used for the first submission of a draft, only resubmissions. ~~ QRA: Alex Noble - talk 16:29, 11 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

As User:Alex Noble implies, most reviewers seldom Reject a draft, and almost never Reject a draft on what looks like it might be a reasonable topic. Normally reviewers Decline a draft, which permits the submitter to improve it and resubmit it. Robert McClenon (talk) 16:52, 11 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Nice discussion, thank you very much for this information and for reviewing my article. I will improve it again. MISudrajat (talk). —Preceding undated comment added 22:11, 11 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Hi, I already made some changes and clean up my article content. Can I submit it for review now? or you can give me an advice which part that I must change/repair. King of Scorpions can you give me some advice MISudrajat MISudrajat (talk) 15:34, 12 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

@MISudrajat: I may not be in the best position to give you advice (having been here a little less than 2 months). However, from what I've noticed, your article likely will not be accepted since a few of the references do not specifically talk about the SCENT program(me). I would suggest finding references that specifically talk about the SCENT program. On the more trivial side, the article does not quickly get to the point on what the program does; that could be reworded, although it isn't a major issue. There are also a few minor errors, but I could just copyedit those. I hope you find this advice helpful. King of Scorpions 20:30, 12 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Rex Al Opusunju, D. Div

I need to know how to align text and pictureSpringoflove3 (talk) 16:47, 11 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Hello Springoflove3, it is unclear what you mean. Usually, when you add images to your article, the text automatically wraps around the image. Please note that your user talk page is intended for communication between you and other users. Please use your sandbox for testing and WP:DRAFT if you want to write a draft article. Regards! Usedtobecool ☎️ 08:27, 12 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

A Forum for Paid Editors ?

I was asked, on my talk page, by another editor, whether I am aware of advice or a WikiProject for editors who want to do paid editing, but want to do it both well and in accordance with Wikipedia policies and guidelines. My reply was unpleasant to and about paid editing, and they in turn rebuked me, in a way that I think was partly fair and partly unfair, but it was thought-provoking. They pointed out that we have a policy do not bite the newbies, and that they are a newbie to paid editing. I don't think that is the intent of the policy, but it was an interesting thought. So my question here, in a forum for advice to new editors, is whether there is a forum or project for paid editors, or whether the lack of a forum and the lack of constructive advice is intended as a disincentive to paid editors, or what. Robert McClenon (talk) 17:32, 11 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Robert McClenon, in principle, I should help paid editors just enough to make disclosing more appealing than remaining undisclosed but not so much that we start to get flooded with less than competent wannabes who think they can make easy buck just manipulating us into doing the work that they are getting paid for. Usedtobecool ☎️ 17:55, 11 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Ok, I actually read the conversation that prompted this. The last time I actually wanted and tried to help a COI editor was when I believed they had made good volunteer contributions to the project as well. So, I think I would try and help a regular volunteer who just happens to chance upon an opportunity to earn doing exactly what they'd been doing for free. They certainly deserve much better than SPAs that come in, create an article and disappear. As to the actual question, I would reason thusly: Why should volunteer editors spend their time and effort maintaining a forum to specifically help those who don't share the same values but only want to make money? And paid editors are, by definition, interested in self-interests. One, why would they spend their time doing something they are not getting paid to do, and two, why would any paid editor want to volunteer time and effort to a forum dedicated to helping the competition. All this to say, who'd really want to volunteer in such a forum even if it existed? Usedtobecool ☎️ 18:14, 11 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you, User:Usedtobecool. That sort of means that there isn't likely to be such a forum. A paid editor isn't likely to want to help other paid editors, who are competitors, and volunteer editors will only very rarely help paid editors. The original question on my talk page was from User:Integritas888, and they are more likely to get a positive answer here than on my talk page (since I already provided a non-positive answer). They do ask a reasonable question, which is why we don't just forbid paid editing if we aren't going to help paid editors. I think the answer is that we have compromised between trying to do something very difficult even if desirable, getting rid of paid editing, and just allowing paid editing, by allowing it under very restrictive conditions. Robert McClenon (talk) 18:34, 11 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Yeah this compromise isn’t working, paid editing should be either banned or welcomed. I’m not going to keep doing any paid editing, I’m going to shutter this account, it’s been a waste of my time, the clients time, and most importantly, volunteer Wikipedians time. What concerns me for Wikipedia is by making disclosed Wikipedia editing hellish to do, no one is fooled that such editing is really effectively banned, and so people just edit articles without disclosure. The other thing that is concerning is that I got asked by a lot of clients during this brief two week attempt, “what do I do, how do I tell Wikipedia about myself?”, and it seems there should be some way of channeling their energies into helping Wikipedia, instead of just barring the gates and having the editors deal with a never ending wave of undisclosed paid editing. There should be some kind of “need an article about yourself, or your business? Let’s talk about it!” Someone who is just a regular wiki volunteer who can help people examine whether they or their efforts are notable or not without having to resort to asking people to do undisclosed editing. That would help kill the paid editing before people resort to it in the first place. Integritas888 (talk) 19:42, 11 March 2020 (UTC) (Normally User Judgesurreal777)[reply]

The problem isn't with Wikipedia, it's with paid editors indiscriminately taking on clients. Because you wrote a poorly sourced draft, it was rejected. There was no critical evaluation of the sources on your end. Our policies on paid editing are working exactly as intended. Praxidicae (talk) 14:17, 12 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

We have pages and pages of policy about how articles can and should be set up, what we consider notable and how to keep articles from being overly promotional. The problem that paid editors (and their clients) run into is that they do not want to follow any of these policies. Even if we banned paid editing and it "went underground" or was not disclosed, you can tell 90% of the time when a user has a blatant COI or is receiving possible payments.^[1] The goal of a paid editor is often not the same goal as a volunteer user. The goal of the paid editor is to write an article in the best interests of their client, rather than the encyclopedia as a whole. As for the point that it should be the responsibility of a volunteer to determine notability and help people realize that their subject/topic isn't notable, we already have several forums for that. As I mentioned previously, editors at AfC tell people all the time that their subject isn't notable or that their draft is a blatant advertisement. Right here in Teahouse people can ask editors about notability. I would have suggested the Conflict of Interest noticeboard as well, but that's more for our own investigations of cases rather than assisting editors in COI editing. Bkissin (talk) 13:31, 12 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

References

^ Source:Pick a Draft at AfC

Those are fair points, and I assumed that their were places to help like that, but I think my point is still valid that paid editing should be banned, mostly because explaining to people how to waste their time following procedures to produce articles that will not be approved is a waste of our volunteer workforce's time. We should "Be Bold", and ban paid editing, because they and their activities are just pointless (having tried it for two weeks as Integritas888, I should know. I tried to do it right, omit no, information, cite everything, but it was a waste, and no one should ever again go in thinking "oh, if I just follow these steps, there is an acceptable way to do paid editing!". There isn't. Judgesurreal777 (talk) 14:12, 12 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Judgesurreal777, I wonder if part of the reason not to blanket-ban paid editing is that it would impact on things like the Wikipedian in Residence programmes? Technically that's paid editing, but less likely to lead to COI problems. YorkshireLad (talk) 14:43, 12 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

I haven't bothered but if anyone really wants to figure it out, the discussion of interest is clearly linked from WP:PAID. Usedtobecool ☎️ 14:57, 12 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Usedtobecool, thanks! I looked at the FAQ for the relevant change to the terms of use, and a pertinent quote is "it is hard to solve the problem of paid advocacy editing without accidentally discouraging good-faith editors, like the various GLAM (gallery, library, archive, and museum) projects." So it seems that is a major reason not to have a blanket ban. YorkshireLad (talk) 15:21, 12 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

I took a look as well, and yes GLAM does have to disclose, but we love them and welcome their contributions, just like those high school kids who created articles for Wikipedia as their assignments. Their disclosure requirements seem lighter and More importantly they are much less likely to be biased as noted above. I personally don’t think a blanket paid editing ban would be difficult as long as their was a carve out for GLAM and education. Basically I would support anyone trying to ban non-education paid editing; Clearly we don’t want it, so we should just say so. Judgesurreal777 (talk) 15:27, 12 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Judgesurreal777, We can't easily change the terms of use which is global, but to make it stricter as you suggest, seems possible to do locally. You can start a discussion at WT:COI or WP:VPP and turn it into an WP:RFC if it starts to go somewhere, if you feel strongly about it. Regards! Usedtobecool ☎️ 15:45, 12 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

The Inherent Conflict

It seems to me, and I may have missed something, that there is a false dichotomy being raised about paid editing, with the statement that we should either welcome it or ban it outright. I am not sure why there can't be a compromise. It is true that the compromise makes paid editing unpleasant, which is just fine from the standpoint of the volunteer editors who are the community. I think that the current system is working satisfactorily if it makes paid editors unhappy,but that is only my opinion.

Maybe any discussion of the policy on paid editing should be in a policy forum rather than a help forum. However, what I am seeing is that there is an inherent conflict between any desire to use Wikipedia for a commercial purpose, and the neutral point of view, which is the second pillar of Wikipedia. Any article that satisfies neutral point of view is not likely to satisfy the desire of a company to use Wikipedia for a commercial purpose. It may be that volunteer editors who would like to offer their services as paid editors think that the conflict can be worked, but maybe it can't, and if the conflict can't be worked usefully, then it may function as an effective quasi-ban, and that is all right. At least, I think it is all right for the Wikipedia community. Comments? Robert McClenon (talk) 18:15, 12 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Robert McClenon, I think many people are just unaware what having a Wikipedia article means. All they know at first is, just having a Wikipedia article adds to the prestige. You don't want anyone looking you up to say "So, not good enough for wikipedia" yet. It is only when they have passed that landmark that they become aware of the new territory— why's my article just a stub when my competitors/colleagues have featured articles? Or worse, they see something negative which they must get removed by any means necessary.

In practice, a COI/Paid article is almost always identifiable from just reading the article. If the subject is notable, it could simply be stripped to bare bones and accepted with the understanding that all the poorly sourced fluff will have to go through edit requests before making it back. If the subject is not notable, it doesn't matter whether the editor is disclosed or undisclosed. The difference between disclosed and undisclosed editors comes down mostly to how much AGF to apply and how quickly can the editor be blocked when they start ignoring policy.

These small fishes (a struggling artist gets a gig) who don't even have three sigcovs and whose articles aren't gonna have many views anyway aren't the main problem that wikipedia has with paid editors (they are just frustratingly many and cause backlogs everywhere, that's about the extent of their harm). It's the bigger fishes (random examples: Apple/Samsung, Biden/Sanders, Russia/USA), the professional people who can cite every policy/guideline in the book, Wikipedia or real world, have endless time and patience to wikilayer around, with civility, and have mastery of language and even social engineering skills to push through subtle changes that can drive the narrative in meaningful ways in the real world. They are the ones who compromise the integrity of the encyclopedia in a way that can't easily be mitigated, on high impact, high viewership, vital articles. And I am not sure what would realistically address that. Just add that to the list of many imperfections of Wikipedia and move on, I suppose. How does it hopefully tie into your comment? The quasi-ban you speak of is likely an accurate description of the status quo, but in case of the small fishes only who anyway don't cause much damage in the grand scheme of things. And the big fishes are likely running wild because we are completely clueless.

(should probably be my final substantial comment, as even this one went every which way as I was typing it, and we're in the wrong venue for a long discussion; move it to WT:COI maybe?)

Best, Usedtobecool ☎️ 20:22, 12 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Ok just one last thought. If we keep the current system, where paid editing is hellish, we should at least have some kind of warning or disclaimer about how it is in general contrary to our values and we don’t encourage it at all, and you may be extra scrutinized as a result. And not some essay either, right on the COI and disclosure Wikipedia pages. Similar to what Robert McClenon told me; if an article is meant to be made, if it is notable, someone will make it, and being on Wikipedia is not necessarily a popularity contest or a feather in your SEO cap. That way it wont seem like “hey man, just disclose and it’s cool”, because it’s not. That way if you proceed and it’s hellish, you have no one to blame but yourself. Judgesurreal777 (talk) 15:09, 13 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Adding color to my username

How do I add color to my username when on a talk page? ApChrKey (talk) 17:39, 11 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Hello, ApChrKey, and welcome to the Teahouse! As far as I know, there's no way to color your signature only on talk pages. To color it in general, however, you go to "Preferences" (at the top right of your screen) and go to "Signatures". You then uncheck the box directly below it. Then, you add the source code. (This part is difficult, my sig renders as King of Scorpions, but its coding is "[[User:King of Scorpions|King]] [[Special:Contribs/King of Scorpions|of]] [[User talk:King of Scorpions#top|Scorpions]]".) If you find this difficult, you can go to WP:Signatures for more information, or ask me (or someone else) for help. Hope this helps, King of Scorpions 17:54, 11 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks. Did you know you could do rounded corners? ApChrKey ^Talk 18:17, 11 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Yeesh-your sig is more complex than mine now!! King of Scorpions 18:21, 11 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Article rejected for "reliable sources"

Hi There,

I had a new article rejected for lack of "reliable sources" yet each claim I made was backed up wit NYT, Variety, and major publications and magazines. I don't understand. The article was for Gabriel Sloyer, an actor in Red Dead Redemption 2. Many of the things mentions are already on Wikipedia pages I linked to as well -- all cited. What do it do? "This submission is not adequately supported by reliable sources. Reliable sources are required so that information can be verified. If you need help with referencing, please see Referencing for beginners and Citing sources."

Help! — Preceding unsigned comment added by BrunetteMarilyn (talk • contribs) 18:30, 11 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

BrunetteMarilyn, IMDB is not acceptable. Perhaps, the fact that it was number 1 had something to do with it. You have already left a message on the reviewer's talk page. I would wait for their answer. Best, Usedtobecool ☎️ 18:37, 11 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Second, third and fourth refs (I did not look at the others) are "in name only," meaning that Sloyer's name appears, but nothing more than the fact that he was in the cast. David notMD (talk) 19:02, 11 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Huh. There seem to be reliable sources about Gabriel Sloyer [8] [9] [10] [11] [12] [13]. ~~ CAPTAIN MEDUSA^talk 19:52, 11 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

I looked at comparable pages for other cast members of Red Dead Redemption 2, as well as other actors who were in the same shows, and modeled after their pages. I cited most of those sources you mentioned CaptainMedusa at the end so I was kind of confused. Also for non RDR2 acting, I tried to cite roles referenced in NYT, Variety, etc. BrunetteMarilyn (talk) 20:57, 11 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

notifying Usedtobecool and David notMD. ~~ CAPTAIN MEDUSA^talk 21:07, 11 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Fifth ref confirms he is/was in a play, but has no content about him. Sixth ref does not even mention him by name. The first three recommended by CAPTAIN MEDUSA are interviews, which Wikipedia does not accept as establishing notability. My advice is get rid of all these citations and see if there remain two or three that are really ABOUT him at length. Also, finding similarly written and referenced articles is not support. See Wikipedia:Other stuff exists. It is possible those should be nominated for deletion. David notMD (talk) 21:54, 11 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you this is very helpful. Are you saying I should get rid of the interviews, with Variety entirely? What about other wikipedia pages that already reference him? As for other actors in the video game such as Alex McKenna, Rob Wiethoff, Steve J. Palmer (and actors generally) how do you confirm that they were in those movies and shows other than imdb? Do you use reviews? Link to the movie itself somehow where the actor is in the credits? Thank you! BrunetteMarilyn (talk) 06:23, 12 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

BrunetteMarilyn, I will simply add that sources can be reliable and still not add to notability. Interviews are one such kind of sources. Drafts are evaluated for notability, so sources that do not contribute to notability are ignored in the review even when they are reliable, support claims in the draft and would be needed when it becomes an article. When there are many sources that do not add to notability, they can turn the ones that do into needles in the haystack. You can solve this by removing these sources and adding them only after the draft is accepted or by providing a list of a few (WP:THREE is usually enough) sources that you think prove notability of the subject, such as by listing them in the draft's talk page. I would not bother adding works from the subject which can be verified only from WP:Primary sources as they do not contribute to notability. You can add them after the draft is accepted. For now, list only the works that have reliable secondary sourcing. Best, Usedtobecool ☎️ 08:22, 12 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Hi

Can you check again I made it more notableDraft:Powin Energy — Preceding unsigned comment added by 4kingly (talk • contribs) 19:14, 11 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Afraid not, 4kingly. The sole reference there is an article which quotes somebody from Powin, so it is not independent. Wikipedia is basically not interested in anything at all said by the subject of the article, or their associates. It is only interested in what people who have no connection with the subject have chosen, (unprompted by the subject) to write or say about them, and been published in a reliable place.

Notice that Sulfurboy has not just declined the draft, but rejected it, stating that in their opinion, the company is not notable. Since No amount of editing can overcome a lack of notability, you should not continue to spend any time on this unless you can start by finding at least three reliably published sources which talk at some length about Powin, but have no direct input at all from Powin. --ColinFine (talk) 19:25, 11 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Hello

Plz how Can i help — Preceding unsigned comment added by 83.137.6.172 (talk) 19:23, 11 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

there are a lot of things that you can help on but they require to create an account. (most of them not all) ~~ CAPTAIN MEDUSA^talk 20:43, 11 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Too many sub-pages for the coronavirus outbreak in Croatia

User AustroHungarian1897 has created several subpages for the aformentioned topic, and I really believe they aren't necessary. The articles have copy-pasted content from the main article, and even if it was original, the amount of data doesn't justify an entire page and would easily fit into the existing article. Would it be okay to mark them for deletion?

These are the articles in question.

Impact of the 2020 coronavirus_pandemic in Croatia

Timeline of the 2020 coronavirus pandemic in Croatia

Template:2020 coronavirus_pandemic in Croatia

TheRealDario04 (talk) 19:41, 11 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

TheRealDario04, welcome to the Teahouse. I suggest going onto the talk pages of the articles in question and propose a merge/deletion request (the former if new content was added). I'd say that once the article becomes big enough the proposal to split them like the other articles can be revisited. Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝) 21:26, 11 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

meaning of (talk) following editor's signature

On talk and view history tabs of articles I find (talk), sometimes in red. What does (talk) mean, and how use it to communicate with editors? Thanks.TBR-qed (talk) 21:30, 11 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

TBR-qed, If a link is in red it means there's nothing on that page. The talk pages for articles are used to discuss issues with the article's formatting or content, not the subject itself. Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝) 22:02, 11 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Hi TBR-qed. "(talk)" in parentheses is a link to the talk page of a user where you can write a post to that user and often read a reply. You have done this many times.[14] See more at Help:Talk pages. There is no feature to speak to users. Communication is written. A red link means the page does not currently exist because nobody has posted to it yet. You are welcome to create the page by making the first post. Some users add color to links in their signature on signed discussion posts, e.g. Tenryuu above. In this case the color is just their choice and doesn't mean anything, and there may be no "(talk)" link if the user chooses it. The user links in page histories are made automatically and cannot be personalized. They are not called signatures. PrimeHunter (talk) 22:10, 11 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

newbie with COI

Hi - I made updates to a colleague's page https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kenneth_A._Dodge and was subsequently told that I had a conflict of interest. I added that to my talk page, per instructions. But honestly, I find all of the information and links overwhelming. So what happens now? Can someone here review what I did and decide if it's copacetic? The edits were all about updating his academic work since the last time the page was edited (by whom, I do not know). Thanks! OhSabrina (talk) 22:57, 11 March 2020 (UTC)OhSabrina[reply]

More common that COI statement goes on your User page. I do not see any problems with what you added to the article. David notMD (talk) 02:31, 12 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

OhSabrina, please use WP:Edit requests going forward so that all your contributions are policy-compliant and the content gets quality-controlled going in. Best, Usedtobecool ☎️ 08:13, 12 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Recreating deleted pages

Hi,

What's the general protocol for recreating pages that were recently deleted, given that the subject is notable and the new draft meets Wikipedia policies? Thanks. FelixtheNomad (talk) 00:01, 12 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

FelixtheNomad, hello. What is the title of the deleted article? ThatMontrealIP (talk) 02:01, 12 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

FelixtheNomad, the general answer without an specific example is: You are free to create an article. If it is substantially similar to the one previously deleted by community discussions, it will be speedily deleted and you should not try that again if that happens. Safer would be to create a draft and submit it via WP:AFC. Still safer would be to ask the deleting admin to send you a copy or restore it to draft or your userspace so you can work on it further, and move forward depending on their answer. Best, Usedtobecool ☎️ 08:11, 12 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

@ThatMontrealIP:, no specific article. Before creating an article, I usually search for any existing drafts and the deletion log. I've found a deletion log for quite a few entries.

@Usedtobecool: Thank you, this is helpful. Wanted to know just in case I want to recreate a previously deleted article. 18:36, 12 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Question on a citation

So I am a student at a school that is responding to the coronavirus. I received a mass phone call and email (From the school) on a cancelation/information about the coronavirus (related with the school) and the school assembles a team for the virus. I know the information is correct and notable enough to mention on the school's Wikipedia page, but I would like to know how to cite it (or at least disclose that the information is correct). Thanks for the help. Elijahandskip (talk) 00:18, 12 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Hello, Elijahandskip. I'm sure that seems like notable information about the school right now, but on a larger scale (of either place or time) is it really noteworthy? Within a few weeks all the schools in many parts of the world - maybe all the schools everywhere - will have to take action about the virus. Is there something special about your school that will make their action remarkable?

But in any case, unless you can cite a reliably published source (that any reader, anywhere, at any time, can in principle get hold of to verify) then the information should not go into a Wikipedia article. See WP:V. --ColinFine (talk) 00:39, 12 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Hi Elijahandskip! A few of us at the Wikipedia project on universities recently discussed the exact issue of whether to include responses to COVID-19 in schools' articles; here is that discussion, which you are welcome to contribute to if you are inclined. The consensus so far seems to be that one Wikipedia policy, WP:NOTNEWS, which is basically what ColinFine summarized above, means that we should not include that information. Cheers, Sdkb (talk) 05:17, 12 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Comma(s) in article title "Greenwood, New York insurrection of 1882"

I moved a page from Greenwood, New York, insurrection of 1882 to Greenwood, New York insurrection of 1882 in this edit.

Another user is questioning this, stating that per MOS:COMMA a second comma is needed. I responded here that I don't think that MOS:COMMA is applicable in this section for a couple of reasons.

Could you help us out, please, do you think that there should be a comma after "New York" in the article title according to WP guidelines include Wikipedia:Article titles.

Thanks so very much!–CaroleHenson (talk) 01:36, 12 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

@CaroleHenson: To me, the MOS clearly states that it is needed. From the MOS: "[...] the rest of the MoS, particularly § Punctuation, applies also to the title.". The MOS part on commas and geography applies. RudolfRed (talk) 02:03, 12 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks so much for the quick reply, RudolfRed

I am hearing you that punctuation guidelines in the MOS apply to Article titles. (I will toss that around a bit, since there aren't phrases/sentences in article titles as in the punctuation examples. But, I can see that it applies to apostrophes, punctuation for Jr...)

Regarding this article, though, are you also saying that Greenwood, New York, insurrection of 1882, with the comma after New York, is the correct title?–CaroleHenson (talk) 02:12, 12 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

I didn't mean to be rude about the "toss that around a bit" comment -- I am processing is what I meant to say.–CaroleHenson (talk) 02:52, 12 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

@CaroleHenson: Yes, there is a comma after New York. Punctuation and other styles do apply to non-sentence clauses (e.g., titles and captions) as well as sentences unless otherwise specified (i.e., no trailing period). —[AlanM1 (talk)]— 04:54, 12 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Okay, thanks so much. I still don't understand why the second comma is needed, but I'm rolling with your response. Much appreciated!–CaroleHenson (talk) 05:01, 12 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

CaroleHenson, the meaning changes a little with the comma. Is it:

An insurrection that took place in Greenwood, New York, in the year 1882, (before move) or
The New York insurrection of 1882 that's called Greenwood? (after move) Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝) 05:13, 12 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Hey! Thanks, Tenryuu, the lightbulb

went on!–CaroleHenson (talk) 05:20, 12 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

@CaroleHenson: At the risk of "talking past the sale"

, it helps to think of the state in a "city, state," pair or year in a "month day, year," as a parenthetical, modifying the city or date. "Greenwood, New York," can be thought of as "Greenwood (New York)" using commas instead of parens to surround the parenthetical. Now that I hunted for it, I see that Comma#In dates and Comma#In geographical names confirm this. It doesn't explain, though, why no commas surround the year in DMY-format dates (e.g., 12 March 2020). Oh well. —[AlanM1 (talk)]— 00:01, 13 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

AlanM1, it absolutely does help! I appreciate it. I can use all the help I can get. I have never thought of an article title in terms of sentence structure. Thanks so much for ensuring clarity... and now I have a rule to help me remember this!–CaroleHenson (talk) 00:11, 13 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Copyright clarification on Templates and Modules and text

I ordinarily think of templates and modules (sometimes even transcluded pages in the project namespace) as "software" that elsewhere would often use the GFDL. But almost all content in all namespaces other than the file namespace is textual.

So is such "software" under CC-BY-SA?
If I copy any into my project fork, can I remove headers that name contributers? Never figured why these were in the "software" seeing as we do have page history of contributions. At best they should be in the talk page. Any-who - pet peeve
The real question, the footer has
Text is available under the Creative Commons Attribution-ShareAlike License;
What exactly is meant by text? Only article space WP:CONTENT, or anything of a textual nature under the sun?

Thanks - Dpleibovitz (talk) 05:55, 12 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

@Diannaa, Money emoji, MER-C, and Justlettersandnumbers:, can any of you help answer this? I am trying this thing where I ping editors who I think might be able to help (for certain kinds of questions). Please let me know if this is unwelcome. Best, Usedtobecool ☎️ 08:05, 12 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Dpleibovitz, The "Software" would be available under CC BY SA 3.0, as should be everything "under the sun" on Wikipedia. In my understanding, text= everything (sans images), so everything is under an appropriate license; even these very words. (I mean, I'm like 95% sure that's right, other copyright wizards feel free to prove me wrong!)

I'm not really sure what you mean by If I copy any into my project fork, can I remove headers that name contributers?- what "project fork" and "headers that name contributors" are you referring to? Money emoji💵^{Talk💸Help out at CCI!} 11:30, 12 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

UPLOADING ARTICLES

I uploaded my first article just now. and i tried to search it on the web, why can't i View my article. is there anything i missed upon editing it? What next step should I take to take control of my uploaded article — Preceding unsigned comment added by Rodolfo B Gumban Jr II (talk • contribs) 06:31, 12 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Rodolfo B Gumban Jr II, your "post" has been deleted as:

it was not in its own article space
that is NOT what Wikipedia is used for. If you're looking to promote yourself, consider social media sites like Facebook or LinkedIn. Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝) 07:04, 12 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Hello Rodolfo B Gumban Jr II, please see WP:Your first article. Not everyone can have an article on Wikipedia, the subjects need to be WP:Notable. And even if you are notable, WP:Writing about yourself is strongly discouraged. Regards! Usedtobecool ☎️ 07:51, 12 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

And even if you published an article anyway, it will not show up on google before an experienced editor reviews and approves it for indexing by search engines. Best, Usedtobecool ☎️ 07:53, 12 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

need admin help please for page vandal

I lost my account and tip page with a computer crash - majorly stinks. Without my cheat sheet I don't know the links for where I'm supposed to go, but Bryan Callen is being vandalized by an ip user (actually I think 2). Can admin please look and protect the page please. Thanks.Yrwefilledwithbugs (talk) 08:46, 12 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Yrwefilledwithbugs Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. That article is being looked into. In the future, vandalism can be reported to WP:AIV. 331dot (talk) 08:51, 12 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks. Can I ask another question. On the login page it says that there's a way to recover one's password if you setup an email. I don't see any link for trying to recover. Am I just blind. Thanks again. Yrwefilledwithbugs (talk) 08:56, 12 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

The "Forgot your password?" appears underneath the Login button. 331dot (talk) 09:06, 12 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Help - In references no. 4 & 13

4- http://www.insaindia.res.in/nationacomm.php. Missing or empty |title= (help) 13 - http://sbcihq.in/d-p-burma-memorial-lecture-award/. Missing or empty |title= (help)

Sir/ Madam,

I want to insert these links. But it is mentioning as missing or empty title which I am not getting how to alter.

Please advise me.

Thanks,

Shruti — Preceding unsigned comment added by Shruti Malaker (talk • contribs) 09:14, 12 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Shruti Malaker Greetings. Believe this - Chandrima Shaha is the article. Fixed. Please remember to sign your posts on talk pages by typing four tildes (~~~~).. Thank you. CASSIOPEIA^(talk) 09:55, 12 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

CEO Change For Black Hills Energy

I have been trying to merely change the CEO for Black Hills Corp. I have done the Request Edit protocal...How long before the change appears???Can someone help?— Preceding unsigned comment added by Noelsnibbor (talk • contribs)

Noelsnibbor Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. What you did was create your own request template, not use one on the article talk page. You need to go to the article talk page of the article you wish to suggest an edit to and place the template on that talk page(as you did here, though I deactivated it so it would not show up as a request to edit here).

I assume you are making an edit request because of a conflict of interest; please read WP:COI and WP:PAID for information on formal disclosures you are required to make. 331dot (talk) 10:48, 12 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Link: Black Hills Corporation.

@Noelsnibbor: It was changed to Linden Evans over eight days ago, here. If you're not seeing it, make sure you clear your browser cache (Ctrl+F5 on most browsers). If you're talking about what appears in sites outside Wikipedia (like a Google search), Wikipedia has no control over that – it can often take time for them to update. —[AlanM1 (talk)]— 00:43, 13 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Roller coaster articles

Can I still make roller coaster articles? -- Wacky Windjammer 05:41, 12 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

You are not the first (nor the last) editor to enter Wikipedia at high speed. Appears you created your account yesterday and have already made close to 50 edits to existing roller coaster and other amusement park ride articles. The advice you got on your Talk page was please slow down. Several (many?) of your changes may be inappropriate. Please allow time for other editors who watch those pages to respond to your edits. If it turns out that your edits are being reverted, accept that as advice on future edits. David notMD (talk) 12:29, 12 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Summer camps in Canada

Hi, Just wondering how we might have our camp linked to this page? www.campnutimik.com — Preceding unsigned comment added by TheRevEis (talk • contribs) 12:20, 12 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

TheRevEis, ~~I'm not sure which page you're referring to~~ sorry I overlooked the title, but linking to "your" camp may be seen as WP:SPAM and is almost always a bad idea.

If there is an article on your camp, then please don't edit it - it would be seen as a Conflict of interest, and such editing is highly discouraged. Sorry about that, but thanks for visiting the Teahouse! Cheers, tLoM (The Lord of Math) (Message) 13:13, 12 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Besides if you want it to appear in a category it must be in the form of articles. Sorry, but thanks! tLoM (The Lord of Math) (Message) 13:15, 12 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

@TheRevEis: There does not appear to be a Wikipedia article named "Camp Nutimik" or mention of it anywhere on Wikipedia. Categories are used to categorize existing Wikipedia articles only. —[AlanM1 (talk)]— 01:13, 13 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Pictures are deleted and maintenances template appear need help

Uttam Neupane pages's picture has deleted and maintenances template appeared. How may i get it back in page again?

please reply.

Courtesy link: [[:{{{1}}}]] Uttam Neupane

@Petter noca: Please see this archived deletion request on Wikimedia Commons (potential copyright violation). You seem like you have a close relationship with Neupane and that would easily taint the article's NPOV. That would constitute a conflict of interest. --Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝) 14:33, 12 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

EKVITA question

Hi, how are you hope you're doing well... I would like to kindly ask main purpose of getting a rejection for the article we entered because it's written that there is a issue of "promoting company" but it's a consulting company as Big four members in Azerbaijan how can i edit it for becoming acceptable? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Baghirovmusa (talk • contribs) 12:29, 12 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Hey Baghirovmusa. The short answer is that the draft is written like a commercial or official press release. Wikipedia is required to describe subjects from a neutral point of view. The short answer for how you get the draft accepted is to rewrite it in a way that is neutral, although that can be exceedingly difficult to do for some, especially those which have an outside connection with the subject. If you do have such an outside connection, you should carefully review Wikipedia's guidance on managing conflicts of interest and take care to abide by it. GMG ^talk 14:21, 12 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

My article keeps getting declined

It says it doesn't have reliable sources. I always link the most reliable websites. What can I do :( — Preceding unsigned comment added by Alisha9891 (talk • contribs) 12:34, 12 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Alisha9891, thanks for coming to the Teahouse. I went through your draft and fixed a few minor problems.Nevertheless, you'd have to address the concerns of the user who declined your draft, "Sulfurboy". He pointed out that you didn't give enough sources. After all, when it was declined, it only had 1 source. (Now it has 3, but for an article this long to be accepted, I guess that 5 is a minimum standard.) You can see WP:ORGCRIT for more details, but according to that page, an article on a product would require more sources than, say, an article on a building. This is to prevent spamming and promotion, but if you can provide independent sources (a few more), then it would have a far greater chance of being accepted. Add oil with your editing and Sourcing! Cheers, tLoM (The Lord of Math) (Message) 13:10, 12 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Alisha9891, the three sources all appear to be press releases. You need proper coverage independent of the company. Guy (help!) 14:31, 12 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Indeed, Alisha9891. Remember that, for that article, Wikipedia has basically no interest in anything said by Paytm. It is only interested in what people unconnected with Paytm have chosen to say about the platform; if you can't find any such independent sources, then the platform does not meet Wikipedia's criteria for notability, and it is a waste of everybody's time working on the draft. --ColinFine (talk) 15:31, 12 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Courtesy: This appears to be about Draft:Paytm First Games, as Paytm is an existing article.David notMD (talk) 17:12, 12 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you so much all, let me try again. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Alisha9891 (talk • contribs) 10:55, 13 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

new article created need to update title

the title included the word "draft" how do I update the title of the page to remove this word. — Preceding unsigned comment added by FanofTylerCrumley (talk • contribs) 14:23, 12 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

FanofTylerCrumley, you need to get it approved by a reviewer before it can be moved into the main articlespace. If you feel like it is ready to be reviewed add {{subst:submit}} to the top of the draft; I strongly suggest you check your sources are both reliable and make the subject the main focus before you do so. Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝) 14:36, 12 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Draft:Tyler Crumley submitted, and declined. Reasons given by reviewer. David notMD (talk) 17:14, 12 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Best template for magazines

What is the best template for citing digital versions of magazines such as the Atlantic, {{cite web}} or {{cite news}}? Oldsanfelipe2 (talk) 14:35, 12 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Oldsanfelipe2, welcome to the Teahouse.

Third option: {{cite magazine}}. It includes a |url= parameter. Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝) 14:39, 12 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

I recommend using {{citation}} for everything to stop worrying which template suits each of your sources best. Usedtobecool ☎️ 15:20, 12 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

there is message box appear on page. A major contributor to this article appears to have a close connection with its subject. It may require cleanup to comply with Wikipedia's content policies, particularly neutral point of view. Please discuss further on the talk page. (March 2020) (Learn how and when to remove this template message)

how can i remove this?

A major contributor to this article appears to have a close connection with its subject. It may require cleanup to comply with Wikipedia's content policies, particularly neutral point of view. Please discuss further on the talk page. (March 2020) (Learn how and when to remove this template message) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Petter noca (talk • contribs) 14:55, 12 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Petter noca, assuming you mean Uttam Neupane, your first step is to discuss it at Talk:Uttam Neupane with Melcous who added or at least restored the template. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 15:38, 12 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Petter noca, you have already asked this question earlier (albeit slightly paraphrased) on here. Please discuss this on the article's talk page. Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝) 16:17, 12 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

"Coronavirus disease 2019" page: first line is unintelligible

Don't know if this is the correct venue to point out a mistake in a page, but... re: Wikipedia page "Coronavirus disease 2019" Beginning of first line: "40 out of 50 people how eat butt have Coronavirus disease dormant" huh? I am interested in the topic and trying to figure out what the article is trying to say. I would have contacted the author directly if i knew how. Where is the author listed in a Wiki page? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Scott Blair H (talk • contribs) 16:08, 12 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Scott Blair H, thank you for taking the time. That's just a simple vandalism, an unavoidable consequence of being an encyclopedia that anyone can edit. Next time you see something that needs fixing, you can edit it yourself even. That's how we beat them. Cheers! Usedtobecool ☎️ 16:20, 12 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Courtesy link: [[:{{{1}}}]] Coronavirus disease 2019

Scott Blair H, welcome to the Teahouse. Articles are written by multiple editors. Each article's edit history can be accessed by clicking on the history link at the top of the page. I took a look at the article and can't find any mention of what you saw; most likely it had been reverted.

You can contact editors by notifying them with a ping or leaving a message on their talk page (can be accessed by clicking on the "talk" link next to their username.

Please remember to sign your posts with ~~~~ at the end of your post. Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝) 16:24, 12 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

That was a vandal who has been blocked and edits reverted. See from page's history, the last editor to be blocked. Usedtobecool ☎️ 16:29, 12 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Ah, I see it now. Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝) 16:36, 12 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

What is {{{}}} for ?

What is

{{{}}}

for ?

How can one embed one page in another page ?

T3g5JZ50GLq (talk) 17:08, 12 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

T3g5JZ50GLq, welcome to the Teahouse. That is code to designate parameters in templates. For more information see Help:Template#Handling parameters. Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝) 17:24, 12 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Tenryuu, as a Goof: embed one page in another page:

New British & Race-built galleon

T3g5JZ50GLq (talk) 19:34, 12 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

T3g5JZ50GLq, are you referring to linking? You would have to to use double square brackets. I also recommend that if you're moving this to articlespace that you remove the asterisk bullets. Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝) 19:38, 12 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Tenryuu, Just a Sandbox experiment. Testing what Wikipedia/MediaWiki does.

🐲, 💬, and 📝, are they Unicode or UTF? T3g5JZ50GLq (talk) 19:57, 12 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

T3g5JZ50GLq, the exact code I'm not sure on. I suggest using your sandbox to test things out. Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝) 20:20, 12 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

latifah75

Not sure

– Appears to be a test edit. --Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝) 20:54, 12 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Lil.Wayne/Authors — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ameka Modeste (talk • contribs) 17:33, 12 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Ameka Modeste, welcome to the Teahouse. What exactly is your question? Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝) 19:33, 12 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Article Declined

I recently have received an declined article. What I have done wrong? — Preceding unsigned comment added by RuiMoreiraViolist (talk • contribs) 18:15, 12 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

First of all, User:RuiMoreiraViolist, you forgot to sign your post. Put four tildes after your post as a signature. Robert McClenon (talk) 18:17, 12 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Second, you didn't identify the article, which was User:RuiMoreiraViolist/sandbox.

Third, the article doesn't specify how the subject satisfies any of the musical notability criteria. Maybe User:Sulfurboy can add to that. Robert McClenon (talk) 18:21, 12 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

ThanksRobert McClenon, I'm happy to chime in, RuiMoreiraViolist. We need to see significant coverage of the subject by reliable, secondary sources WP:GNG or they need to pass the guidelines in WP:MUSICBIO. If you feel the subject (you) passes one of those guidelines, it needs to be clearly demonstrated with a reliable source. We also, highly discourage people from writing about subjects that have a close or financial connection to. I've posted a message to this effect on your talk page. Sulfurboy (talk) 18:27, 12 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you, User:Sulfurboy - I hadn't noticed that the draft was an autobiography. If I had noticed, I might have been more critical in my comments. Robert McClenon (talk) 19:16, 12 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

I made a few minor formatting edits. I found a couple of items about him in the foreign press, so he may pass notability. Both publications have articles but I don't know how reliable they are.[[15]] [[16]]. I'll put them in the talk and hopefully an independent Portugeuse or Spanish speaking editor can help. TimTempleton ^(talk) ^(cont) 19:20, 12 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

"Rui Massena" Results: 303 @ google.com/search mostly video, FB, and music sales
"Rui Massena" Results: 0 @ es.wikipedia.org
"Rui Massena" Results: 15 @ pt.wikipedia.org , RuiMoreiraViolist, try writing a page there?

T3g5JZ50GLq (talk) 20:24, 12 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

The items existing its only in portuguese and spanish but most in portuguese because we are portuguese.--RuiMoreiraViolist (talk) 20:44, 12 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

How to add photo within the page

Hello, I know this is an awkward kind of question but I wanted to know how to add photos to a page while I have photos of that place. I have lots of photos of Raithuwa but failed to upload that. Thanks in advance. — Preceding unsigned comment added by AskParvez (talk • contribs) 19:26, 12 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

@AskParvez: Welcome to the Teahouse. You can upload photos by clicking on the "Upload file" link on the sidebar to the left. Before you do so, please read WP:UPIMAGE and double-check that you have permission to upload it, making sure specifically that you clearly [establish] that the copyright status of each intended upload is appropriate for a free-content encyclopedia and when uploading, you include with clear labeling as to its origin and copyright status. --Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝) 19:32, 12 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

AskParvez, Please note that when you click on the"upload link" on the sidebar to the left,, you will see a very prominent "Click here to start the Upload Wizard"

That is almost certainly NOT what you want. That will upload files to Wikipedia, which may be what you think you want but it is very rarely the right option. Assuming these are files for which you are the copyright holder and you are willing to freely license, you should look on that page for "Commons wizard" to upload to Commons. S Philbrick (Talk) 21:01, 12 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Help with a citation

Can someone kindly help me correctly cite a source to an essay by a specific writer that is part of a series of essays included in a gallery publication, i.e. a curator/writer Merike Talve wrote the essay "Vestiges of the Avant-Garde in Installation", an essay written for "Luminous Sites: Ten Video Installations" (1986). Would this be correct?

Talve, Merike (author). «Vestiges of the Avant-Garde in Installation», "Luminous Sites: Ten Video Installations", a Video In /Western Front production, Vanguard Publications, 1986 (cat) ISBN 0920974147.

Thank you! LorriBrown (talk) 19:55, 12 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Hi LorriBrown for this type of reference I normally use {{Cite book}} -On the template page there is an example of "Citing a chapter in a book with different authors for different chapters and an editor". Hope this helps, do come back here if you need further assistance. Roger (Dodger67) (talk) 07:43, 13 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

How should you call attention to a backlogged maintenance category?

So, I sometimes do NPOV work, and I got to Category:All articles with a promotional tone to find the non-NPOV articles. However, this has a growing backlog of nearly 25,000 pages! So, I was wondering, what is the proper place to call attention to backlogged categories? Thanks, King of Scorpions 23:14, 12 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

King of Scorpions, you could go to the WP:NPOVN for that. Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝) 02:41, 13 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Question

Where do I go to report a possible attempted hack on my account? Jerm (talk) 00:47, 13 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

@Jerm:. I assume it didn't work. In most cases you can and should simply ignore it (after ensuring your password is good). Consider that someone might try and reset your password, or attempt to log in with your username, believing it's actually their account. If it's part of a mass attack, the chances are some other relevant person will have noticed. Or, if you have the IP address from someone repeatedly attempting to reset your password, you can get probably someone to block it. If you don't have a go-to admin, checkuser, or steward for this, WP:ANI might be the appropriate place. But people trying to get into the wrong account is fairly common and normally nothing more needs to be done (also consider WP:2FA). -- zzuuzz ^(talk) 01:18, 13 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

my "Sandbox" disappeared from the top of the page where I click to work.

Hi.. I've been working very hard on my draft for my submission, the Etymology of Chicago... my email (Redacted). MY SANDBOX IS NO LONGER ACTIVE on the Wikipedia page. I got on my page today from a link I created for my desktop... but I would breathe easier if my "sandbox" up between "talk" and "preferences." I have nightmares about loosing all my work. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Etymology_of_Chicago?action=edit

Carl Carl J. Weber (talk) 05:14, 13 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Hi Carl J. Weber. Your user sandbox can be found at User:Carl J. Weber/sandbox, but the content you previously added to it was moved by an administrator named DGG (see here) and can now be found at Draft:Etymology of Chicago; most likely this was done because you submitted your sandbox to Wikipedia Articles for Creation for reveiw, but the preferred WP:NAMESPACE for AfC submission is the draft namespace. Perhaps you intended to back up the draft you're working on in your user sandbox, but this is not really necessary (and potentially confusing) since you shouldn't lose anything as long as you click "Publish changes" whenever you finish an editing session; even if by chance the draft ends up deleted, it will still be possible for an administrator to recover it and restore it for you as long as it wasn't deleted for some type of serious violation of Wikipedia policy. If you really want to create a back up of your work, you might want to consider doing so somewhere other than Wikipedia.

As for not being able to see the "Sandbox" button at the top of your browser, you should be able to see it as long as you're logged into your account. Are you using a computer to edit or a tablet/smartphone to edit? Perhaps in the latter case the "Sandbox" button might appear in a different location to the size of the screen.

Finally, please be careful about posting your email address on Wikipedia per WP:REALWORLD; it's unlikely that anyone answering questions here at the Teahouse is going to respond to you by email, but such information might possibly be used by someone else in an inappropriate way. Like all Wikipedia pages, the Teahouse is a public page which means that anything posted here is there for all to see and use as they want. -- Marchjuly (talk) 05:38, 13 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Please specify clearly - Help - In references no. 4 & 13

Shruti Malaker Greetings. Believe this - Chandrima Shaha is the article

4- http://www.insaindia.res.in/nationacomm.php. Missing or empty |title= (help) 13 - http://sbcihq.in/d-p-burma-memorial-lecture-award/. Missing or empty |title= (help)

Sir/ Madam,

I want to insert these links. But it is mentioning as missing or empty title which I am not getting how to alter.

Thanks,

Shruti Malaker (talk) 08:18, 13 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

@Shruti Malaker: Your issue was resolved earlier today, as mentioned at Wikipedia:Teahouse#Help - In references no. 4 & 13. I don't understand why both of you have written "believe this". —[AlanM1 (talk)]— 08:27, 13 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Please help adding the weight to the "quick facts" section on the Liberty Bell page

I'm not sure what the correct term for the short list of facts under the first picture on the top right hand of articles pages is but I am going to call them quick facts until I find out the proper name for it. On the page for The Liberty Bell in the list of facts it lists the height, the weight, the material, and other things but the weight is not listed. I tried to add it by copying the format that I saw but it did not seem to work. I think the best place for it is below the type of bell and above the material, if not there then below the height and above the completion date. If someone who knows more about how to edit these sections with the pictures it would be appreciated. The article lists The Liberty Bell as having a weight of 2,080 pounds (940 kg), but the info is buried down lower in the page. Please update the quick facts part if you can or let me know how I can do it. Thank You! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 73.93.153.139 (talk) 08:41, 13 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Hi IP 73.93.153.139. It sounds like you're referring to the WP:INFOBOX for the article. An infobox is a template that is often added to articles to provide "quick facts" or a summary about the subject of the article. There are various types of infoboxes and they are have their own respective parameters or syntax that needed to be used correctly for them to work properly. The infobox used in Liberty Bell is Template:Infobox monument and you can find out how to use that particular template by looking at its documentation. That template doesn't have a parameter for "weight" which is why the edit you made is not showing up in the article. If you think such a parameter for "weight" should be added to that template, the place for you to propose such a thing is at Template talk:Infobox monument. If you want to discuss whether the weight of the LB is actually something that should be added to the article's infobox, the place to do that would be at Talk:Liberty Bell. Since infobox templates tend to be used on lots of articles, you probably should try avoid changing the template yourself because any accidental errors you might cause could impact lots of articles. -- Marchjuly (talk) 09:43, 13 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you for the info, I will see what I can do. I already un-did my changes since nothing seemed to work right in the preview. There is a parameter at the bottom of the infobox labeled extra so maybe that could be used for the weight? I feel like this is something that I should let someone that knows more about this do since it can effect multiple articles. I'll start petitioning on the liberty bell page, Thank you again! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 73.93.153.139 (talk) 10:06, 13 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Marchjuly, there's | extra = though. [17] could use some cosmetic aid, however. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 11:57, 13 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

A good person to ask about templates is Primefac. He’s always been able to help resolve any issues I have with templates. — Marchjuly (talk) 12:30, 13 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

This is an interesting question. I think a discussion about whether to include the weight in the infobox on the Liberty Bell page should continue at the thread started by this IP. I'm not sure if a specific "weight" parameter would be useful to add to {{infobox monument}}, because things like Civil Rights Memorial or Gol Gumbaz might not necessarily have a weight (at least, one that someone has/can be measured); a free label parameter could be added, though. That discussion should probably take place at Template talk:Infobox monument. I'll watchlist both pages and see how any discussions turn out. Primefac (talk) 14:13, 13 March 2020 (UTC) (please ping on reply)[reply]

need some input on rs

Can someone take a look at William_Atherton#Personal_life 2nd paragraph. The first sentence is a book that I can't find online. The second sentence I don't think it's supported by the reference. I can't find anything otherwise supporting the statements. I tend to think for being blp they probably aren't appropriate. Char1iestarr (talk) 09:21, 13 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Char1iestarr Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. A source does not need to be online to be used here- it helps, but isn't required. If you have reason to doubt it, you can post your concern on the article talk page. If you feel that information is not supported by the reference provided, you are welcome to remove it and discuss it on the talk page. 331dot (talk) 09:27, 13 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks. I'll do some more digging to see if I can find anything to support it elsewheres. I've been trying to absorb another persons page that interests me more right now. It's making me play genealogist. tyChar1iestarr (talk) 09:39, 13 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Help - In references no. 4

I want to change this link page from:

web|url=http://www.insaindia.res.in/nationacomm.php%7Ctitle=INSA :: Indian National Commission for History of Science|website=www.insaindia.res.in|access-date=2020-03-12}}</ref>

to - http://www.insaindia.res.in. Retrieved 2020-03-12. Missing or empty |title= (help)

Shruti Malaker (talk) 11:36, 13 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

@Shruti Malaker: I suppose you just need to remove the /nationacomm.php part (or, better, replace it with a single space character). --CiaPan (talk) 11:55, 13 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

What template would I use for unplaced references?

Hi, I've come across an article which has a list of references, however its citations aren't listed in the text at all. Instead, they are all sitting about at the bottom. The article in question is the LF-58 article. Thanks!
Leiovus (talk) 12:06, 13 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Leiovus, These are what are called general references, and are sometimes used on smaller articles. I've removed the redundant marks from the reflist.

The template you would use, which I've placed, is {{No footnotes}}. ~~ QRA: Alex Noble - talk 12:26, 13 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Understood, thank you so much! - Leiovus (talk) 12:30, 13 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

article for submission -- questions

I am new to Wiki, want to create a Wikipage for our company's CEO. I've disclosed that conflict of interest on my user page. I believe what I have written takes a neutral point of view.

Two questions to that end 1) I saved a draft to work on later, and yet someone was able to review it and spike it. If it wasn't ready for review, why can someone delete it? That seems so foolish. 2) Here is the portion of the draft I had written. It is sourced with reliable, verifiable third-party sources. Only the most menial facts were sourced by our company website, which is within Wiki policy. There is nothing written that isn't fact-based and cited. Can someone tell me what is wrong with it?

Thank you in advance for any reply and guidance.

Collapsing

The following discussion has been closed. Please do not modify it.

Jayson Waller (born Dec. 5, 1979) is an entrepreneur and founder of POWERHOME Solar, an energy efficiency and solar panel installation company based in Mooresville, North Carolina. Waller was a top sales manager for Verizon Wireless and owned ISI Alarms, a home security company, before becoming co-owner of PowerHome Technologies, another home security business[1]. He branched off from that to begin POWERHOME Solar in 2014, and has been the CEO since. Waller has overseen extensive growth at POWERHOME, with the company being ranked No. 100 among the 2019 Inc. 5000 list of the fastest-growing private companies in America[2]. This is the second time for POWERHOME to be ranked among the top 100 in the last three years, as it was ranked No. 96 in 2017[3]. POWERHOME is also ranked No. 6 nationally among residential rooftop solar installers[4]. The growth came after POWERHOME lost $1 million in its first year of operation[5]. Waller’s success has earned him multiple awards, including a 2019 EY Entrepreneur of Year Southeast Award in the Emerging Services category[6]. He also has been named one of the Most Admired CEOs of 2020[7] and one of five Champions of the New Economy in 2019[1]. Waller is the face of the POWERHOME brand and has filmed commercials with the Detroit Youth Choir, the Detroit Lions and Cleveland Browns. His True Underdog podcast shares his entrepreneurial story and that of other successful entrepreneurs, public-influencers, athletes and celebrities[8]. He seeks to motivate others who may be going through struggles. With a humble upbringing, Waller says that when he grew up, others gave him a feeling that he was less than them, and that motivated him to change that perception by becoming successful[9]. Waller is a champion for the community, helping guide efforts to assist members of the military through the company’s associations with the Lifetime TV miniseries Military Makeover[10] and Major League Baseball star Justin Verlander’s Wins for Warriors Foundation[11]. Waller also helped his company form a partnership with the GivePower Foundation to donate $40 of every solar project it installs to fund clean drinking water projects in areas of need across the world. The solar-powered desalination systems installed with these funds can provide clean water to up to 35,000 people a day[12]. Waller also has earned three gold Globee Awards, two for Professional of the Year in the Energy & Utilities and the U.S. categories, and one as Entrepreneur of the Year[13]. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Rogerkuznia (talk • contribs) 13:14, 13 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Rogerkuznia Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. All edits to literally every page on Wikipedia are visible in the Recent Changes feed, this includes Drafts, and is likely how your draft was seen. In addition, the speedy deletion criterion used to delete your draft can be used on any page where it is determined to apply. I must concur with the reason for the deletion; the text of your deleted draft contained much promotional language; "Waller has overseen extensive growth at POWERHOME", "Waller is a champion for the community", just as two examples. It is true that some information about a subject can be cited to primary sources, but notability can only be determined though significant coverage in independent reliable sources. You've cited many of your CEO's accomplishments, but the sources don't seem to really be about him personally or otherwise do not give him significant coverage. Please read Your First Article.

Lastly, while you declared a COI, you need to comply with the stricter paid editing policy. 331dot (talk) 13:27, 13 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

A Speedy deletion was enacted. Reason given: "A tag has been placed on Draft:Jayson Waller, requesting that it be speedily deleted from Wikipedia. This has been done under section G11 of the criteria for speedy deletion, because the page seems to be unambiguous advertising which only promotes a company, group, product, service, person, or point of view and would need to be fundamentally rewritten in order to become encyclopedic." I agree 100%. Much of what you have posted above is subjective/promotion contant about Waller. In addition, you have created a draft Draft:POWERHOME Solar which has no references that meet the Wikipedia criteria of establishing corporate notability. So I expect when you submit that, it will be declined. David notMD (talk) 13:29, 13 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Dorian Holley

I put this article up for GA Review and delisted it last month; there was no user action on the page during the GA review process. I kept it on my watchlist, though. Since March 3, this article has been edited by no fewer than six new accounts, many of them on their first day of editing. This is not a particularly high-visibility page, probably even less so since GA delisting, and I am struggling to come up with a reason why it should so suddenly be subject to new editing. The editors are not vandalizing or doing anything improper; it's just... strange. A couple of the editors shortly thereafter started or began drafting seemingly well-curated new articles (see Zjhin (since deleted), Selina Thompson, Draft: Passage AI). I'm here not because of any particular concern - just wondering if anyone else regards this as remarkable and odd, and notices anything suspicious that I'm missing. Thanks. Chubbles (talk) 13:18, 13 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Note: I guess this is probably the wrong place to ask about this, but I don't know what would be a better venue. It's not an ANI concern, and posting to the talk page isn't going to get any eyeballs on it, so I'll take suggestions as to what might be a good alternate forum. Chubbles (talk) 14:54, 13 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Mathematics

Lil.Wayne/Keys — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ameka Modeste (talk • contribs) 13:30, 13 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Is this about Lil Wayne and if so, is there a question? David notMD (talk) 13:46, 13 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

@David notMD and Ameka Modeste: I suppose it has something to do with Ameka's contributions to Talk:Lil Wayne... Just guessing. --CiaPan (talk) 14:02, 13 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Ameka Modeste, this is the third time you have posted something like this in the Teahouse, with one being rolled back. If you want to test out editing, please go to your Sandbox. Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝) 14:39, 13 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Redirects

Hello, I would like to change https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Jamie_Dean&redirect=no so that it redirects to https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/James_Dean_(disambiguation). I took a look at https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Redirects_for_discussion, but it is a bit complicated. AE3yia1AJeQ (talk) 14:31, 13 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Revert

I tried to edit wikipedia but someone reverted my edit. The explanation he left on my talk page is that the edit summary was blank. What do I do now? AE3yia1AJeQ (talk) 14:38, 13 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

It is not particularly useful to ask the same thing in three different places. The article's talk page is the best place. (And as I just wrote there, no, the reason was not a blank edit summary, and the template placed on your user talk page does not imply that it was.)

In any case, you should not make any more edits to any Wikipedia pages until you have addressed and disclosed your conflict of interest, as explained on your user talk page. Thank you. --bonadea contributions talk 14:43, 13 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Courtesy link: [[:{{{1}}}]] Young blood transfusion

AE3yia1AJeQ, welcome to the Teahouse. The user in question, Bonadea, reverted your changes as you appear to have deleted some neutrally-charged and sourced content. The addition of the company's website is probably what gave them the notion that you may have a conflict of interest in regards to the subject. Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝) 14:45, 13 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Bonadea, I would reply on your talk page but you have protected it. I have already addressed your question. I have no conflicts of interest. Now what? AE3yia1AJeQ (talk) 14:52, 13 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

AE3yia1AJeQ, some of your edits are very poor. You have removed balanced critical coverage of a topic, and [and replaced it with a whitewash here], for example. The same edit added more links to ambrosiaplasma.com ThatMontrealIP (talk) 14:55, 13 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

ThatMontrealIP, it is quite clear the coverage is not balanced. I wish to engage with you in discourse to improve the page. How shall we proceed? AE3yia1AJeQ (talk) 14:58, 13 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Try editing some pages that are unrelated to blood transfusion and Ambroasiaplasma.com.ThatMontrealIP (talk) 14:59, 13 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Seconded. --bonadea contributions talk 15:00, 13 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Tenryuu The changes I made corrected the article and made it more neutral. Bonadea appears to disagree with me. What do I do now? AE3yia1AJeQ (talk) 14:53, 13 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

No, your changes removed sourced criticism, added information that contradicts what the sources say, and added promotional text. Again, the article's talk page is the place to discuss this, but please note that there is a very strong consensus against any whitewashing of Ambrosia's activities. --bonadea contributions talk 14:59, 13 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Bonadea, we disagree. How do we proceed? I would like to correct the errors on https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Young_blood_transfusion. AE3yia1AJeQ (talk) 15:06, 13 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

AE3yia1AJeQ, please continue your conversation with Bonadea on the article's talk page. Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝) 15:03, 13 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Tenryuu, I cannot, his talk page is protected. What should I do now? AE3yia1AJeQ (talk) 15:05, 13 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

AE3yia1AJeQ, Like I said, please continue your conversation on the article's talk page. --Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝) 15:08, 13 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

To be honest, you should stop posting the same "what should we do now" question to multiple talk pages. As has been suggested multiple times, edit something else. Continuing to waste everyone's time is WP:DISRUPTIVE.ThatMontrealIP (talk) 15:07, 13 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

I would like to correct and improve https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Life_extension and https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Young_blood_transfusion. I am not posting the same question to multiple pages. What is our next step? AE3yia1AJeQ (talk) 15:13, 13 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Neither the article nor its talk page are currently protected. El_C 15:08, 13 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Bonadea's talk page is protected is what I said. AE3yia1AJeQ (talk) 15:13, 13 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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