Talk:Bangalore

Regarding the Neutrality tag in Bangalore article

There are many places in the Bangalore article's lead, infobox and a few other sections such as Demographics, etc. where the statements are biased and aren't adhering to WP:NPOV. The statements seem to have a promotional marketing tone and are biased rather than neutral/Encyclopedic. Also, please note that any article's Lead section should be an unreferenced summary of referenced statements. Some of the Neutrality issues are

1. Lead section

• a. "Its multi-ethnic multi-religious and cosmopolitan character" - This is promotional and editorially biased.
• b. " reflected by its more than 1000 Hindu temples, 400 mosques, 100 churches, 40 Jain Basadis, three Sikh gurdwaras, two Buddhist viharas and one Parsi fire temple located in an area of 741 km² of the metropolis" - No citation is found for this statement. The content also isn't found in the body.
• c. "A demographically diverse city" - The demographics section explains this. Should the same thing get promoted again after 1.a?
• d. "Bengaluru has one of the most highly educated workforces in the world" - Is this statement even necessary? It's advertising and highly biased, and adding more citations won't make the statement neutral.
• e. "Bangalore has the highest elevation among India's major cities" - This is a vague statement. What is the meaning of 'major city'? There are state capitals (major cities) such as Shimla, Gangtok, Kohima, etc. that have a much higher elevation than Bangalore. The mentioned citation is not related to this statement. Is this comparative statement needed in the lead?

2. Infobox

• a. "Garden city" - This seems rather outdated, although old citations exist.
• b. Does Karnataka have an official flag? What is the reason for its inclusion in this article? Please note that this trend could lead to the addition of the state flag in other Karnataka-related articles too. As far as I know, no state in India is supposed to have its own official flag.

3. Demographics

• a. "Telugu Speaking Morasu Vokkaligas are the native people of Bangalore" - The mentioned book citation is not at all related to this statement. In fact, this statement or claim isn't found anywhere in the Web or mentioned anywhere else!

This is just a sample, and I haven't gone through the article in detail. But the article does not adhere to Neutral point of view, just by looking at some statements itself.

Cheers,
Aviator423 (talk) 11:34, 5 April 2020 (UTC)

Does Karnataka have an official flag? What is the reason for its inclusion in this article? Please note that this trend could lead to the addition of the state flag in other Karnataka-related articles too. As far as I know, no state in India is supposed to have its own official flag

Dear Aviator

Yes, Karnataka does have a State Flag. It had been part of independence struggle, much before British allotted dominion status to India, hunger common wealth.

It is the yellow & red horizontal bars in a flag.

Every state in India, is allowed to have a flag.

Because, other states didn't have one, doesn't mean what exists is wrong.

I'll be happy to provide more info. Mallikarjunasj (talk) 11:44, 5 June 2020 (UTC)

Remove Unofficial Stats

Please remove the unofficial "Metro GDP/PPP" numbers from the Infobox and from the main article both in lead/economy section. Three different sources given are unofficial; none of them from Govt of India or State Govts source. So please remove those figures.--103.218.236.58 (talk) 04:42, 8 May 2020 (UTC)

 Not done: all of the sources given are reliable sources. Don Spencer^{talk-to-me⛅} 19:54, 8 May 2020 (UTC)

Bangalore must be redirection page Bengaluru must be main page

Bangalore must be redirection page Bengaluru must be main page.

Mumbai Kolkata Gurugram are all working in the same manner.

Can English Wiki Adkins kindly take notice of this request & set this right?

Appreciating the help in this regard.

Mallikarjunasj (talk) 11:40, 5 June 2020 (UTC)

Mallikarjunasj please see the ten requested move discussions in the box at the top of this page - all refused - Arjayay (talk) 11:43, 5 June 2020 (UTC)

Where to see move discussion sir

Mallikarjunasj (talk) 12:01, 5 June 2020 (UTC)

Mallikarjunasj - as I clearly said, they are listed "in the box at the top of this page" - Arjayay (talk) 12:05, 5 June 2020 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 24 August 2020

124.123.81.61 (talk) 15:26, 24 August 2020 (UTC)

 Not done: as you have not requested a change.
Please request your change in the form "Please replace XXX with YYY" or "Please add ZZZ between PPP and QQQ".
Please do not suggest that the article is renamed to Bengaluru, as this has been discussed at length 11 times before - see the list at the top of the page. - Arjayay (talk) 15:41, 24 August 2020 (UTC)

Requested move 24 August 2020

Bangalore → Bengaluru – It was almost three years since the last RM was happen and now as time changes, more source using Bengaluru instead Bangalore which is former name of the city. Because this RM seems as continuation of moving from Bangalore riots to Bangalore violence which some users suggest move it to Bengaluru, IMO, Bangaluru should be the title of the article per WP:COMMONNAME which at the time many users oppose it because some reasons. 110.137.186.235 (talk) 23:27, 24 August 2020 (UTC)

• Oppose per WP:COMMONNAME based on Google Ngrams.[1] English language usage is shifting, but Bangalore is still the more common name in English sources based on the Google Ngrams. Rreagan007 (talk) 00:24, 25 August 2020 (UTC)
• Support per nom.--Ortizesp (talk) 03:38, 25 August 2020 (UTC)
• Oppose per WP:COMMONNAME as shown by User:Rreagan007's link - Arjayay (talk) 07:24, 25 August 2020 (UTC)
• Oppose per nom. BilCat (talk) 07:31, 25 August 2020 (UTC)
  • @BilCat:, the nom is in support of the move, so "oppose per nom" doesn't mean anything. Did you make a typo? TryKid ^{[dubious – discuss]} 07:45, 25 August 2020 (UTC)
    • No, I didn't make a typo. Thanks for checking. BilCat (talk) 07:51, 25 August 2020 (UTC)
• Very strong support: Per WP:COMMONNAME of course. As shown by recent usage, the city is commonly known as Bengaluru in all sources. Ngram tracks historical usage of a term, and isn't very useful for the application for WP:COMMONNAME. Consider the Ngram of Kolkata vs Calcutta. If we go by Rreagan007 argument, Calcutta should be the common name of this city in Bengal, but of course it isn't: the common name is Kolkata, saying otherwise would be ridiculous. Therefore, the Ngram based argument is ridiculous and shouldn't be taken into account when closing this. Pinging Arjayay who also supported on misleading Ngram argument. Regards, TryKid ^{[dubious – discuss]} 07:45, 25 August 2020 (UTC)
• Strong support it is now known as Bengaluru in all sources in India regarding the coverage of August 12 riots. The arguments that they oppose based on Google Ngram viewers is very poor and false. If you take Mumbai vs Bombay, i believe the title will known as Bombay, same as Kolkata-Calcutta. 182.1.25.238 (talk) 09:28, 25 August 2020 (UTC)
• Support Among many other news sources, there seems to have been a shift in the major indian news sources: The Hindu, TOI, IE, etc. Bengaluru is now the common term/name. NGRAM can throw up odd results on occasion and it's a bit of an unrefined catch-all, so i'm not relying on that. It's evident by the lack of people saying 'it's the official name' that we've reached a stage, 14 years on, that the term stands for itself as the WP:COMMONNAME. Zindor (talk) 20:25, 25 August 2020 (UTC)
• Oppose - Even limiting to 2020, my searches of news sources find more results for the current title. If the new name isn't common in this kind of generous check, then it clearly isn't common when you consider "slower" sources like books or papers. -- Netoholic @ 21:28, 25 August 2020 (UTC)
  • @Netoholic: have you taken into account the names of organisations in your search? For example, the highest court of Maharashtra is still known as the Bombay High Court despite the common name of the city being Mumbai. Similarly, there's a newspaper called the "Bangalore Mirror", and even that newspaper uses "Bengaluru" to refer to the city. The Hindu has a Bengaluru edition, it's official name has the word "Bangalore" in it and yet it too uses "Bengaluru" only to refer to the city. Go ahead, do a search for "Bangalore site:thehindu.com" and see how many times you spot "Bangalore" outside organisation names. There will surely be some instances, but here too Bengaluru is certainly the more common name. Repeat this with any other website, taking into account the names of organisations formed before the renaming of the city and you'll find that Bengaluru is indeed the common name. Regards, TryKid ^{[dubious – discuss]} 21:49, 25 August 2020 (UTC)
    • That's pretty hard to do, but I also think that if organizations are slow to adopt this new name, that is evidence against this move as well. -- Netoholic @ 22:09, 25 August 2020 (UTC)
      • Organisations aren't "slow to adopt". They just don't usually change their names once they settle on one. There's Calcutta Cup, Calcutta University, Calcutta High Court, Calcutta National Medical College, Calcutta Tramways Company and many more. They haven't changed their name since the last 19 years of the new Kolkata name, and likely never will. But all this doesn't have any effect on the fact that Kolkata is the common name. Regards, TryKid ^{[dubious – discuss]} 22:42, 25 August 2020 (UTC)
        • Even Bombay High Court, Madras High Court and Calcutta High Court still use the cities colonial name despite their changes name to Mumbai, Kolkata, and Chennai many years ago. IMO, naming changes for the city doesn't necessary mean a rename for all institutions that use former city name that use in British colonial rule. India's most prestigious and largest stock exchange, Bombay Stock Exchange still use former city name, and doesn't change their name to Mumbai Stock Exchange until now even after their city was renamed 25 years ago. 180.245.102.250 (talk) 23:18, 25 August 2020 (UTC)
• Oppose. Nothing has changed. Still the common name. -- Necrothesp (talk) 11:58, 26 August 2020 (UTC)
• Strong oppose. The common name hasn't yet changed, and we can't project future use. (Unlike the Kiev/Kyiv situation, I don't think we need a moratorium, as Kiev's moratorium was only re-instituted because of abuse of the RM process.) O.N.R. ^(talk) 02:56, 27 August 2020 (UTC)

Comment for all opposers, all of those arguments are false, notably Old Naval Rooftops which places very weak personal argument which will be discouraged. In the past years, Bengaluru become increasly more common in many news organization, mainly from India itself. Please see The New Indian Express, TOI, Deccan Herald sources which increases use "Bengaluru" in their news articles. If anyone sticks oppose argument with "Common name" reason, Kolkata should be renamed to Calcutta, Mumbai become Bombay or Chennai become Madras and so on. 110.137.166.230 (talk) 06:42, 27 August 2020 (UTC)

Don't WP:BLUDGEON the process, and WP:OTHERSTUFFEXISTS. BilCat (talk) 07:36, 27 August 2020 (UTC)

It's not a OTHERSTUFF argument, it's a precedent argument. The IP has shown proof that Bengaluru is the common name, while the opposers have only shown a faulty Ngram and "because I say so". And while I WP:AGF, I would note that some Britishers who love their queen seem to still be stuck in colonial era when Britain dictated what the names of Indian cities were. India has 1 billion people while Britain has 60 million? Karnataka alone has roughly equivalent population to Britain. All Kannada English newspapers and TV channels use the "Bengaluru" term. Bengaluru is much more common, both source wise and population wise. Regards, TryKid ^{[dubious – discuss]} 08:35, 27 August 2020 (UTC)

Totally irrelevant to Wikipedia's naming policies. BilCat (talk) 09:04, 27 August 2020 (UTC)

• Oppose No evidence has been presented that the usage of Bengaluru has outdone the usage of Bangalore in the English-language sources. Hence Bangalore is still stands as common name. -- Ab207 (talk) 14:13, 27 August 2020 (UTC)
• Comment WP:ENGVAR and WP:TITLEVAR would point to what is the common name in Indian English and what sources in the country use as key just as if a place in, say, Canada was renamed we would look to Canadian sources. A glance at the list at Talk:2020 Bangalore riots#Requested move 12 August 2020 (to take a snapshot of current usage) shows most Indian news sources calling the city Bengaluru and use of Bangalore primarily in foreign sources. Annoyingly Google Ngrams does not offer an option for Indian English. Timrollpickering (talk) 16:49, 27 August 2020 (UTC)
• Comment Seems to me that the "move" supporters are doing a very poor job of presenting their case. Ideally, we need to see actual evidence rather than emotional arguments. Such evidence, if it exists, should not be hard to find. A quick check, for example, at The New York Times, shows a distinct shift to Bengaluru from Bangalore over the last few years (cf. [2], [3], [4], [5])). Perhaps a proper examination of sources from English speaking countries (other than India) would show whether you have a strong case or not? --RegentsPark (comment) 00:35, 28 August 2020 (UTC)
• Support per the TITLEVAR policy—it seems clear that Indian English primarily uses "Bengaluru" these days. (Ngrams is not an appropriate source for assessing primary spelling in Indian English.) Ed ^{[talk] [majestic titan]} 02:06, 28 August 2020 (UTC)
• Oppose - Not even close in terms of WP:COMMONNAME. Impru20^talk 13:00, 28 August 2020 (UTC)
• Support per ENGVAR and TITLEVAR policy. It seems that nearly all news organization in India and South Asia in general, even there a one media named "Bangalore Mirror" uses "Bengaluru" in modern days, for example Geo TV (Pakistan), Daily Express (Sri Lanka), etc. Non-South Asian media like New York Times and Reuters use modern day name Bengaluru at least since 2010s. The problem is majority of international media are reluctant to use modern name and they still called it in former colonial names instead because it was easy to spell and many users tend to use non-South Asian sources which majority of them still called it as Bangalore until now to write new information about the city with new citations. Arguments about Bangalore is common name isn't very clear, as they tend to use non-Indian sources for referencing. 36.77.93.87 (talk) 13:20, 28 August 2020 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 26 August 2020

Population of Bangalore needs to be updated from 11 million to above 12.34 million. Rupaiya One founder (talk) 10:18, 26 August 2020 (UTC)

 Not done: Please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. Interstellarity (talk) 10:47, 26 August 2020 (UTC)