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Confusion with dates?[edit]

The etymology section has this:

"The earliest reference to the name "Bengalūru" was found in a ninth-century Western Ganga Dynasty stone inscription on a "vīra gallu" (ವೀರಗಲ್ಲು) (literally, "hero stone", a rock edict extolling the virtues of a warrior). In this inscription found in Begur, "Bengalūrū" is referred to as a place in which a battle was fought in 890 CE. It states that the place was part of the Ganga Kingdom until 1004 and was known as "Bengaval-uru", the "City of Guards" in Halegannada (Old Kannada).[16][17]"

If the inscription is from the 9th century, it cannot possibly state that Bengaluru was part of the Ganga kingdom until 1004. Neither of the two references cited contain any mention of the 1004 date.


Bangalore has become Bengaluru and Bangalore Wiki page has to be renamed to Bengaluru[edit]

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Hi, Bangalore has already become Bengaluru from last year itself. Even the name of international airport is named as Bengaluru International Airport. Local Civic body is also has changed its name to Bruhut Bengaluru Mahanagara Palike. This has to be taken account by Wikipedia and changes needs to be made in larger interest of the local people and respecting the honorable Government of Karnataka's supreme decision.

Wikipedia has to respect the feelings of local people. Bengaluru is the real and true name of the city. Britishers could not spell it and hence they called Bangalore. Government has passed resolution and city name has already been changed last year itself. I do not understand why you want to superimpose and force this City name Bangalore on us???

Also, Few foreigners who neither understand nor respect our culture cannot judge whether this can be renamed or not. Kindly transfer the ownership of the page to INDIANS, who can decide what can be done by ourselves. After all Bengaluru is our city and city of India, it is no more colony of Great Britain.

Kindly rename the Bangalore wiki page to Bengaluru wiki page and find and replace has to be made at all the places where Bangalore is found. — Preceding unsigned comment added by AVINHSN (talkcontribs) 18:51, 1 June 2015 (UTC)

References

@AVINHSN: Please read the discussion right above this one where it was determined there was consensus not to rename the article. Please also read WP:OWN and realize you are working on the English-language Wikipedia where groups of editors based on nationalism don't get to control article content. --NeilN talk to me 19:21, 1 June 2015 (UTC)
@NeilN: I do not understand what consensus you are taking about? Consensus between very few members does not lead up to reality and truth. I do not agree with you. Bangalore has to be renamed to Bengaluru at the earliest.
This discussion has been done 7 times, and the consensus of Wikipedia editors is that per WP:COMMONNAME, it should be Bangalore. Just because a few people disagree doesn't make them right. The most commonly used name in English is Bangalore, in the same way that English Wikipedia has articles on Rome, Munich and Cologne, not Roma, München and Köln- even if that isn't the official name as used in India, it is the name used by most people, most Wikipedians, and most reliable sources to describe the place, therefore it should be Bangalore. Joseph2302 (talk) 18:30, 2 June 2015 (UTC)
@Joseph2302: I completely disagree with you Joseph. As per the Governments move Bengaluru is not only the name as per Kannada but also for English. Can you explain why international airport is named as BENGALURU INTERNATIONAL AIRPORT???, why BBMP stands for Bruhut BENGALURU Mahanagara Palike instead of Bruhut Bangalore Mahanagara Palike. Remember Wikipedia is like encyclopedia, it is not English dictionary. Hence giving reference of Bangalore to english dictionary does not help. You cannot compare the case of Rome here, as it is completely different case. Also we are not debating about any poem or novel related to Bangalore, so you talk about dictionary. it is the fundamental right of all Bengalureans to have it corrected. Kindly appreciate the sentiments of local people or natives of Bengaluru.
The name of the city has been changed to Bengaluru. So there is no point in calling it Bangalore which is the older name. The article need to be updated with the current name Bengaluru.VandeMataram (talk) 03:43, 2 July 2015 (UTC)
Even the commonname of the city is Bengaluru. When someone says in Karnataka that "Avanu Bengaluru ke hogiddane" means "He has gone to Bengaluru". Today every news channels in the world use the name Mumbai to describe the city of Mumbai because it's known to them that the cities name is Mumbai. Similarly change the name of Bengaluru here so that more outsiders know that the name of the city is Bengaluru. VandeMataram (talk) 03:57, 2 July 2015 (UTC)
"Similarly change the name of Bengaluru here so that more outsiders know that the name of the city is Bengaluru." That is exactly the issue. Wikipedia will change the name after the majority of outsiders call the city Bengaluru, not before. --NeilN talk to me 04:01, 2 July 2015 (UTC)

Requested move 3 June 2015[edit]

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The result of the move request was: Taking back the new wiki page proposal. AVINHSN (talk) 19:09, 3 June 2015 (UTC)

BangaloreBengaluru – Bengaluru is the official name of Bangalore, as accepted even by wikipedia. In the previous discussion, reference of Bangalore in dictionary was mentioned. If this is causing so much hindrance then my request to you is with a workaround as follows, Keep the Bangalore wiki page as it is and allow the new bengaluru wiki page with almost similar content to be created. Once created, kindly provide the link / hyperlink from bangalore page to bengaluru page, so that the users who search or google for bangalore will reach the Bangalore wiki page and the users who search for Bengaluru will reach the Bengaluru wiki page. This will help the local Bengaluru contributors a lot. I request you to support this move at least. AVINHSN (talk) 18:42, 3 June 2015 (UTC)

  • Strongly oppose Having 2 identical articles is pointless, and also involves doing a cut-and-past move, which is a copyright violation. Also oppose this move, for all the reasons I stated above. Joseph2302 (talk) 18:45, 3 June 2015 (UTC)
  • Strong oppose. We've already been through this discussion several times, so it's much too soon to bring it up again. Thomas.W talk 18:51, 3 June 2015 (UTC)
  • Oppose per all the reasons in the last move discussion. Having two articles is a non-starter per WP:POVFORK. Request a moratorium on requested moves for one year. --NeilN talk to me 18:56, 3 June 2015 (UTC)
  • Oppose – per the outcome of previous discussions. FYI, Bengaluru is a redirect to Bangalore. Vensatry (ping) 19:33, 3 June 2015 (UTC)
  • Oppose, yet again. We just discussed this two months ago. Until the common name changes, this remains. RGloucester 19:38, 3 June 2015 (UTC)
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I have taken back this proposal. Let me discuss with other Wiki contributors and bring a different proposal to resolve this Bengaluru case unanimously. AVINHSN (talk) 19:09, 3 June 2015 (UTC)

It must be other way around. Bangalore must redirect to Bengaluru. VandeMataram (talk) 03:41, 2 July 2015 (UTC)

Article Name[edit]

There was a proposal to move this article in April 2015. The result was to keep the current name. There was a more recent, but withdrawn, request in June 2015. Many inexperienced Wikipedia editors do not understand the feature of Wikipedia known as Redirects, which are alternate titles, so that an article can have more than one title. In particular, the official Indian name of Bengaluru redirects to the common name of Bangalore, so that any reader using either name will find the article. There is no need to create a copy of the article with the official name, and creating a copy violates Wikipedia policy because the two copies would soon become slightly different. So, for now, and in the future, the two titles will both get the article. I understand that having the common name rather than the official name be the primary title may be annoying to South Asian editors, but the common name is still better known to North American, European, etc. editors, and both will work. Let's leave the matter of the primary title alone. Robert McClenon (talk) 20:18, 3 June 2015 (UTC) Bangalore is called as a green city — Preceding unsigned comment added by 106.51.136.179 (talk) 13:06, 12 June 2015 (UTC)

Strongly oppose why still bangalore not updated as bengaluru in wikipedia[edit]

Bengaluru is the official name and common name used by bengalureans and indian,government,Media,newpapers.please do respect indians, Indian Government,take examples of Mumabai,chennai,kolkota which have been changed from old names in wikipedia, provide the justification why only bengaluru only having old name bangalore in wikipedia. –––– — Preceding unsigned comment added by ಮ೦ಜುನಾಥ ಕ್ ಮ್ (talkcontribs) 21:30, 10 July 2015 (UTC)

  • The name change only applies to official use within India, and does not in any way affect Wikipedia. We use whatever name is common in English, which for this city still is Bangalore. So stop trying to change it. Thomas.W talk 21:34, 10 July 2015 (UTC)
  • When Bangaluru becomes the more common name than Bangalore, in the English speaking world, then the article should be renamed. Some places such as Rome and Moscow are so well known by their traditional names that their more official or literal spellings are unlikely to become common in English for decades or centuries. Bangaluru might take a couple of years to become popular, I'd guess. We have to wait and see. Batternut (talk) 00:29, 11 July 2015 (UTC)
  • Having said the above, we should consider that the English Bangalore page is used a lot by Indian people, and that the application of the WP:Commonname policy should be done considering which name Bangalore and Bangaluru is most common among all readers of the page, first language English users and all those Indian readers. Such consideration will naturally swing the debate somewhat towards Bangaluru. Batternut (talk) 15:46, 12 July 2015 (UTC)
  • Despite the English speaking population of India exceeding that of the USA and UK for over 10 years, a quick search engine test is interesting. Queries 'site:in "bangaluru"' and 'site:in "bangalore"' produce claims by Google of about 86,600 and 25,700,000 respectively. That is misleading though - it is a measure of the English-writing population in contrast to the English-reading population; but it illustrates the problem here: WP:COMMONNAME determines the most commonly used name by its prevalence in reliable English-language sources. It is a pragmatic approach, but biased for our convenience, for us the English-writing editors. Batternut (talk) 10:01, 19 July 2015 (UTC)
Seems to me never ending battle its been already 7 to 8 RFC / moves and think with time it will change! Shrikanthv (talk) 04:42, 20 July 2015 (UTC)
I've been a wikipedia editor for a long time and I'm aware of WP:COMMONNAME. But what I fail to understand that this is the only reason given to retain the article title as Bengaluru. Strange thing is that even though Odisha is still referred to as Orissa not only among the public, but also by the media, the article was moved to Odisha with no controversy. Whereas in this case, though the media and all airlines have been referring to this city as Bengaluru since 2007, there still a huge uproar in just opposing the name change of the article. Weird! Confused.png  LeoFrank  Talk 15:31, 1 August 2015 (UTC)
There were 3 separate move discussions on Odisha/Orissa (Talk:Odisha/Archive 1), and the final one is definitely screwy. However, experienced, non-POV-pushing editors didn't make a fuss about the move, respecting the consensus. It's too bad that doesn't work in reverse. Sigh. - BilCat (talk) 16:06, 1 August 2015 (UTC)

Requested move 27 July 2015[edit]

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The result of the move request was: Not moved. This is getting ridiculous. 5 identical move requests in under 10 months? Get a grip, people. If this goes on, I will impose a ban on re-proposing this move as a page-level sanction under WP:AC/DS. Fut.Perf. 14:54, 31 July 2015 (UTC)


BangaloreBengaluru – After 8-10 move requests, all wp:commonname has changed and the common name is not any more Bangalore but Bengaluru. Shrikanthv (talk) 13:24, 27 July 2015 (UTC)

Some proofs all the official government website content has been changed to Bengalure (including the main airport ) , major new papers and news channel qouting Bengaluru than bangalore Proof, please also note "Wikipedia is not a crystal ball" we cannot predict future nor decide how and what is going to be used in future,google trends comparision here, The main foot ball club is also called Bengaluru FC ! not Bangalore FC

Shrikanthv (talk) 07:35, 31 July 2015 (UTC)

would also request the closing admin give this discussion some time as previous RFC's were closed much faster some chance for others to contribute would bring new perspectives Shrikanthv (talk) 07:38, 31 July 2015 (UTC)
  • Question Shrikanthv, and what has changed from June 3rd? --NeilN talk to me 13:28, 27 July 2015 (UTC)
  • Oppose, yet again. We just discussed this two months ago. Until the common name changes, this remains. Speedy close. RGloucester 16:35, 27 July 2015 (UTC)
  • Oppose. Bangalore is clearly the common name, as shown by any number of google and library searches. DrKiernan (talk) 18:55, 27 July 2015 (UTC) Support one year moratorium. It's clear now from the sudden rush of IPs and new accounts that there is off-wiki canvassing and meat-puppetry. These move requests are disruptive and should be stopped. DrKiernan (talk) 13:44, 31 July 2015 (UTC)
  • Move to speedily close this move request as frivolous. There have been a number of these discussions over the past few months, all resulting in keeping Bangalore, so starting a new one now is just disruptive. Thomas.W talk 19:04, 27 July 2015 (UTC)
    • Concur - no evidence submitted now or in the past two months that Bengaluru has become the common name in the English-speaking world, or even in India itself outside of official usage. Also no evidence that the nominator even understands WP policy on article naming,or is even attempting too. - BilCat (talk) 19:20, 27 July 2015 (UTC)
  • Oppose and 12 months moratorium given that Bangalore is not a Kannada speaking city, shouldn't we have the Tamil spelling? No seriously, these requests have got to come less frequently and with substantive evidence, proving that English has changed. In ictu oculi (talk) 03:36, 28 July 2015 (UTC)

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  • Support: (Bengaluru is the household name in Bengaluru and most of the people identify Bengaluru as Bengaluru and not by Bangalore) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 106.51.30.83 (talk) 08:36, 31 July 2015 (UTC)
  • Support: (Bengaluru is the household name in Bengaluru and is street language and also it is hub to all south indian people and everybody calls Bengaluru rather than Bangalore which was gifted by british, better to change it to what people speak about it. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 159.220.78.18 (talkcontribs) 08:41, 31 July 2015‎ (UTC)
  • Support: (Bengaluru is the household name in Bengaluru and most of the people identify Bengaluru as Bengaluru and not by Bangalore). — Preceding unsigned comment added by 124.40.244.200 (talk) 08:45, 31 July 2015 (UTC)
  • Three IPs all post near identical comments within minutes of each other? And you really think we're not going to be suspicious? DrKiernan (talk) 09:15, 31 July 2015 (UTC)
  • You even admit in your posts that Bangalore is the "British" [i.e. English] name. This is the English-language wikipedia. We use English-language names. The name used by Kannada-speakers in the city itself is irrelevant. As I said before, the French wikipedia does not use "London" even though that is universally used by every resident of the city and is the official name of the city. It uses the French-language name. Similarly, the English-language wikipedia uses the English-language common name. DrKiernan (talk) 09:20, 31 July 2015 (UTC)
  • Support: The Government of India has acknowledged the change, in all official communication the name is Bengaluru. Please tell me if you or wikipedia are above the law. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Mkishan (talkcontribs) 10:07, 31 July 2015 (UTC) Mkishan (talkcontribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic.
  • Support The Name Bengaluru was there even before the British arrived, all the locals including most South Indians call it Bengaluru only...Bangalore was official name previously not anymore all the government documents are being saved in the name Bengaluru including in the court the petition relating to Bengaluru carry the same name even the English channels like BBC gives the official name Bengaluru while forecasting the weather and refer to it by the actual name... please change it and respect the Indian government which gave the nod to move on with "Bengaluru". — Preceding unsigned comment added by Siddartha Kalmane (talkcontribs) 13:21, 31 July 2015 (UTC) Siddartha Kalmane (talkcontribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic.
  • Support 'Bombay' was officially renamed as 'Mumbai', and Wikipedia accordingly changed it. 'Madras' was officially renamed as 'Chennai', and Wikipedia accordingly changed it. 'Calcutta' was officially renamed as 'Kolkata', and Wikipedia accordingly changed it. 'Bangalore' is officially renamed as 'Bengaluru'. And it's almost a year since the name change. But, Wikipedia is dissenting. Just because some people don't like the name 'Bengaluru', the truth doesn't change. People arriving at Bengaluru don't arrive at 'Bangalore International Airport', but at 'Bengaluru/Kempegowda International Airport', and it's renamed by the government. Need I say more? It has to be 'Bengaluru'. Manjesh Gowda25 (talk) 14:16, 31 July 2015 (UTC) Manjesh Gowda25 (talkcontribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic.
  • Support: (Bengaluru is the name called by native people. Even central government of India has agreed to change this name from Bangalore to bengaluru. If central government agrees it and this government selected by people of india. So it should be called bengaluru) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 1.23.174.9 (talkcontribs) 14:21, 31 July 2015‎ (UTC)
  • Pretty obvious we're seeing the results of canvassing. People, if your reasons are not derived from Wikipedia policies or guidelines, they will be ignored. --NeilN talk to me 14:27, 31 July 2015 (UTC)

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