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Consensus is that despite the official name change, the article should remain at the current title. This is a standard application of article title policy, such as WP:COMMONNAME, as has previously been applied for articles such as Kiev; as always, Wikipedia needs to wait for the sources to change before we can do so. If there is evidence that this is happening, then this quesiton can be raised again. Sunrise(talk) 20:57, 22 April 2015 (UTC)
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Bangalore → Bengaluru – Neutral proposal. Most major cities in the country of India have had a colonial name (Calcutta, Madras, and Bangalore) and a new name (Kolkata, Chennai, and Bengaluru - citation here). All or virtually all of these cities which have changed their names officially eventually had their Wikipedia articles move to follow suit. This is not the case with the third-most populous city in all of India.
Now, a quick point: this is not actually a problem, because I'm sure a reasonable argument could be made that "Bangalore" is still the WP:COMMONNAME for the city. That was certainly the case during the last move request, which was amazingly made before the name even had changed officially. Is it the case now? It doesn't seem so. At all.
Do I personally support the move? Ehh, maybe. That's not why I proposed it.
The article's text has been edited so that dozens of instances of "Bangalore" have been replaced with the new name. This is akin to the article on color being filled with sentences like "Red, blue and green are the primary colours of light." That would be ridiculous, and it is likewise kind of strange here.
SO! Either let's have the article at Bangalore and all running-text instances of the city name follow Bangalore (except, obviously, explicit references to the new name), or let's move it to Bengaluru and have the whole article follow the new name except in contexts that would demand the old name. I, as nominator, am currently neutral on the move. I hope you will not be. RedSlash 20:15, 12 April 2015 (UTC)
Umm. Or, since the previous RM closed less than six months ago with no consensus to move, you could just revert the new edits to conform with the current title. Dohn joe (talk) 23:19, 12 April 2015 (UTC)
I considered it, but I think I'd rather have a full-fledged post-official-name-change consensus behind me before I did so. RedSlash 03:26, 13 April 2015 (UTC)
Support Move - though I'm personally Opposed to the move - but everyone else better support or oppose only if you actually support or oppose. To be honest, we might as well just move the article to Bengaluru. The issue is going to continue to be a problem unless we semi-or full-protect the article, because the users making the changes don't care about following the guidelines. To them, the name change is official, and that's all they care about. Besides, Neutrality is a Western systemic bias, so we shouldn't impose that standard on other countries. - BilCat (talk) 00:28, 13 April 2015 (UTC)
Nope, not being disruptive. - BilCat (talk) 01:33, 13 April 2015 (UTC)
Perhaps you are not trying to be disruptive, but you are being incomprehensible. Can you please explain in clearer terms what it is you've actually said above? RGloucester — ☎ 02:39, 13 April 2015 (UTC)
"Support Move - though I'm personally Opposed to the move" - per COMMONNAME, it shouldn't be moved now, which is what I personally support it, and see below for the Support part.
"but everyone else better support or oppose only if you actually support or oppose." A play on the OP's last 2 sentences.
"To be honest, we might as well just move the article to Bengaluru. The issue is going to continue to be a problem unless we semi-or full-protect the article," - prolonging the move is an exercise in futility, as the the names in the article will keep on being changed several times a week, causing more work for the editors, unless the article nis protected.
"because the users making the changes don't care about following the guidelines. To them, the name change is official, and that's all they care about." - The people making the changes only care that the city's name is now officially "Bengaluru", and can't or don't care about WP's policies. One of the major reasons the users can't or don't care about COMMONNAME is political and cultural - they view the name Bangalore as leftover reminder of oppression by the British Raj, and thus there's no logical reason that the name shouldn't be changed. Continuing to use the British name is to continue to allow India to be oppressed by Britain.
"Besides, Neutrality is a Western systemic bias, so we shouldn't impose that standard on other countries." You'll have to figure that one out for yourself, but it's basically sarcasm, and a throwaway line. It could have relevance later, depending on how the subsequent discussions go. - BilCat (talk) 03:15, 13 April 2015 (UTC)
Comment: I think the upshot of all of this is that you've still given no valid reason for your support of the move. Yes, in a way we're allowing India to be oppressed by Britain, but only by reflecting the current English usage, and not to do so would be to advocate a change in English, which is not our business here however admirable it may be. Yes, the good faith "corrections" of the name in the text will probably continue until the page is protected. That sort of problem is one of the reasons we have protection; Moving the article just to avoid that problem would be an appalling precedent. Semi-protection and an appropriate warning at the top of the edit box might be effective enough, and a lot more convenient than full protection once it's in place. Andrewa (talk) 18:20, 22 April 2015 (UTC)
Exactly! - BilCat (talk) 18:36, 22 April 2015 (UTC)
Strongly oppose – What the heck is going on here? The common name of the city is Bangalore, for whatever reason. What's more, Bangalore is most natural to an English-speaking reader. The proposed title fails our article title criteria, and cannot be used. Please wait until "Bengaluru" enters common usage in the Anglophony. I fear that shall take a while, as it sounds queer to the anglophone ear. RGloucester — ☎ 01:28, 13 April 2015 (UTC)
You're probably right. But I still think "Bombay" sounds better than "Mumbai", so we'll have to see. RedSlash 03:26, 13 April 2015 (UTC)
Any "naturalness" that the colonial name has is simply because it retains more WP:Recognizability in the English speaking world than the more "native" name. GregKaye 15:38, 13 April 2015 (UTC)
Commenthttp://www.bbmp.gov.in/ (the official website noted on the page) has a header that reads "Bruhat Bangalore Mahanagara Palike" but which has a nine uses of "Bengaluru" immediately in the text. "BANGALORE MAHANAGARA PALIKE" is the display title for many page references as appearing in internet searches. GregKaye 15:25, 13 April 2015 (UTC)
Comment can you read the first line from the site? , it is an enitity like corporate or a firm and is far difficult to change the entity name but itself is qouting what the common name is in the first line of the page!, nice way to ignore Shrikanthv (talk) 11:41, 16 April 2015 (UTC)
Oppose. The common name of the city is still Bangalore. -- Necrothesp (talk) 15:26, 15 April 2015 (UTC)
Strongly support I do feel Bangalore is not anymore "common name" of the city Bengaluru, I wonder if many city names which would be not natural to native english speaker be changed to easy ones for speaking sake! cities like Suzhou , Busan, atleast given before number of requests for move in last six months should explain the move Shrikanthv (talk) 11:38, 16 April 2015 (UTC)
Oppose. The new name has not yet filtered its way into everyday use in the English language as a whole. If Wikipedia had existed in 1995/96, it would have had to use the page titles "Bombay" and "Madras" instead of "Mumbai" and "Chennai," as those new names had not filtered their way into the English language back then. Similarly, even though the official name of the capital of Ukraine is "Kyiv," that name has yet to filter its way into the English language to displace the traditional name of "Kiev" as the most commonly used name, which is why that article resides at "Kiev" instead of "Kyiv." Perhaps we can revisit the naming of the article on this particular city some years down the road, but for now, the fact is that the new name isn't widely used enough to displace the traditional name as the most commonly used name. TML (talk) 06:05, 18 April 2015 (UTC)
Oppose. Good nomination. Evidence above is clearly that the current article title Bangalore is still most appropriate, and the changes in he text should now be reverted to match. Andrewa (talk) 16:04, 20 April 2015 (UTC)
Oppose per commonname. The official name of London is "London", that doesn't mean that the French- or Kannada-language wikipedias should have articles at that title. Similarly, the English-language wikipedia article on this city should be at the English-language common name, regardless of the official name or the name in other languages. DrKiernan (talk) 20:34, 21 April 2015 (UTC)
Oppose per commonname. We have articles named Rome, Munich, Moscow, Copenhagen and countless others, in spite of each of those cities having a different, and sometimes very different, name in their own countries and own languages, so I see absolutely no reason to change Bangalore to Bengaluru until the common name in English language media has changed, and Bengaluru has become the common name. Which could take a very long time. Thomas.Wtalk 20:45, 21 April 2015 (UTC)
Oppose – Not now for sure. May be after a few years. —Vensatry(ping) 12:16, 22 April 2015 (UTC)
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Bangalore has become Bengaluru and Bangalore Wiki page has to be renamed to Bengaluru
Hi, Bangalore has already become Bengaluru from last year itself. Even the name of international airport is named as Bengaluru International Airport. Local Civic body is also has changed its name to Bruhut Bengaluru Mahanagara Palike. This has to be taken account by Wikipedia and changes needs to be made in larger interest of the local people and respecting the honorable Government of Karnataka's supreme decision.
Wikipedia has to respect the feelings of local people. Bengaluru is the real and true name of the city. Britishers could not spell it and hence they called Bangalore. Government has passed resolution and city name has already been changed last year itself. I do not understand why you want to superimpose and force this City name Bangalore on us???
Also, Few foreigners who neither understand nor respect our culture cannot judge whether this can be renamed or not. Kindly transfer the ownership of the page to INDIANS, who can decide what can be done by ourselves. After all Bengaluru is our city and city of India, it is no more colony of Great Britain.
Kindly rename the Bangalore wiki page to Bengaluru wiki page and find and replace has to be made at all the places where Bangalore is found. — Preceding unsigned comment added by AVINHSN (talk • contribs) 18:51, 1 June 2015 (UTC)
@AVINHSN: Please read the discussion right above this one where it was determined there was consensus not to rename the article. Please also read WP:OWN and realize you are working on the English-language Wikipedia where groups of editors based on nationalism don't get to control article content. --NeilNtalk to me 19:21, 1 June 2015 (UTC)
@NeilN: I do not understand what consensus you are taking about? Consensus between very few members does not lead up to reality and truth. I do not agree with you. Bangalore has to be renamed to Bengaluru at the earliest.
This discussion has been done 7 times, and the consensus of Wikipedia editors is that per WP:COMMONNAME, it should be Bangalore. Just because a few people disagree doesn't make them right. The most commonly used name in English is Bangalore, in the same way that English Wikipedia has articles on Rome, Munich and Cologne, not Roma, München and Köln- even if that isn't the official name as used in India, it is the name used by most people, most Wikipedians, and most reliable sources to describe the place, therefore it should be Bangalore. Joseph2302 (talk) 18:30, 2 June 2015 (UTC)
@Joseph2302: I completely disagree with you Joseph. As per the Governments move Bengaluru is not only the name as per Kannada but also for English. Can you explain why international airport is named as BENGALURU INTERNATIONAL AIRPORT???, why BBMP stands for Bruhut BENGALURU Mahanagara Palike instead of Bruhut Bangalore Mahanagara Palike. Remember Wikipedia is like encyclopedia, it is not English dictionary. Hence giving reference of Bangalore to english dictionary does not help. You cannot compare the case of Rome here, as it is completely different case. Also we are not debating about any poem or novel related to Bangalore, so you talk about dictionary. it is the fundamental right of all Bengalureans to have it corrected. Kindly appreciate the sentiments of local people or natives of Bengaluru.
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The result of the move request was: Taking back the new wiki page proposal.AVINHSN (talk) 19:09, 3 June 2015 (UTC)
Bangalore → Bengaluru – Bengaluru is the official name of Bangalore, as accepted even by wikipedia. In the previous discussion, reference of Bangalore in dictionary was mentioned. If this is causing so much hindrance then my request to you is with a workaround as follows, Keep the Bangalore wiki page as it is and allow the new bengaluru wiki page with almost similar content to be created. Once created, kindly provide the link / hyperlink from bangalore page to bengaluru page, so that the users who search or google for bangalore will reach the Bangalore wiki page and the users who search for Bengaluru will reach the Bengaluru wiki page. This will help the local Bengaluru contributors a lot. I request you to support this move at least. AVINHSN (talk) 18:42, 3 June 2015 (UTC)
Strongly oppose Having 2 identical articles is pointless, and also involves doing a cut-and-past move, which is a copyright violation. Also oppose this move, for all the reasons I stated above. Joseph2302 (talk) 18:45, 3 June 2015 (UTC)
Strong oppose. We've already been through this discussion several times, so it's much too soon to bring it up again. Thomas.Wtalk 18:51, 3 June 2015 (UTC)
Oppose per all the reasons in the last move discussion. Having two articles is a non-starter per WP:POVFORK. Request a moratorium on requested moves for one year. --NeilNtalk to me 18:56, 3 June 2015 (UTC)
Oppose, yet again. We just discussed this two months ago. Until the common name changes, this remains. RGloucester — ☎ 19:38, 3 June 2015 (UTC)
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I have taken back this proposal. Let me discuss with other Wiki contributors and bring a different proposal to resolve this Bengaluru case unanimously. AVINHSN (talk) 19:09, 3 June 2015 (UTC)
There was a proposal to move this article in April 2015. The result was to keep the current name. There was a more recent, but withdrawn, request in June 2015. Many inexperienced Wikipedia editors do not understand the feature of Wikipedia known as Redirects, which are alternate titles, so that an article can have more than one title. In particular, the official Indian name of Bengaluru redirects to the common name of Bangalore, so that any reader using either name will find the article. There is no need to create a copy of the article with the official name, and creating a copy violates Wikipedia policy because the two copies would soon become slightly different. So, for now, and in the future, the two titles will both get the article. I understand that having the common name rather than the official name be the primary title may be annoying to South Asian editors, but the common name is still better known to North American, European, etc. editors, and both will work. Let's leave the matter of the primary title alone. Robert McClenon (talk) 20:18, 3 June 2015 (UTC) Bangalore is called as a green city — Preceding unsigned comment added by 188.8.131.52 (talk) 13:06, 12 June 2015 (UTC)