Talk:Druze

Discussing changes suggested to introduction

Please lets discuss these points on the current Druze article versus my suggested changes :

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The Druze faith is an esoteric monotheistic religion based on the teachings of several Ismaili figures like Hamza ibn-'Ali ibn-Ahmad and Al-Muqtana Baha'uddin who were influenced by Greek philosophers such as Plato ,Aristotle and Plotinus.

Versus

The Druze faith is a monotheistic and Abrahamic religion based on the teachings of high Islamic figures like Hamza ibn-'Ali ibn-Ahmad and Al-Hakim bi-Amr Allah, and Greek philosophers such as Plato and Aristotle.

Reason for Edit : - The main distiction about the Druze faith is being esoteric Batini this should be mentioned

- Druze are not an Abrahamic religion but monotheist , the position of Abraham is different for the Druze than the three abrahamic faiths

- high Islamic figures is not accurate , the prophet mohammad is a high islamic figure , Hamza was a preacher , Al-Hakim was the Fatimid Caliph , a more historically accurate and appropriate description is Ismaili

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and other philosophies and beliefs, creating a distinct syncretic and secretive theology that is passed on through initiation

Verus :

and secretive theology known to interpret esoterically religious scriptures, and to highlight the role of the mind and truthfulness.

Reason for Edit :

Role of the mind and truthfulness is an over simplification of the Druze theology and its the universal mind nous rather than mind as human mind

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Druze are theologically distinct from Muslims due to their eclectic system of doctrines such as the belief in theophany and reincarnation . , although Al Azhar of Egypt recognized them in 1959 as one of the Islamic sects in the Al-Azhar Shia Fatwa.

− − − The Druze were subjected to persecution due to political and religious reasons during the Fatimid, Mamluks and Ottomans rule . Most recently, Druze were targeted by the Islamic State of Iraq and the Levant and Al-Qaeda in order to cleanse Syria and neighboring countries of non-Islamic influence.

Reason for Edit : Its important to mention main difference between Druze and orthodox islam as well the source of Fatwa

Also subsituted the persecution paragraph with a summary since its the introduction and details are found in body — Preceding unsigned comment added by Hiram111 (talk • contribs)

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Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 16 August 2023: Displaying the flag

The border option should be used while displaying the Druze flag, so that the bottom-most stripe doesn't blend with the white Wikipedia background. Boundary.operator (talk) 13:45, 16 August 2023 (UTC)

 Done M.Bitton (talk) 12:26, 17 August 2023 (UTC)

Lede, para.2 (The Epistles of Wisdom is the foundational) second sentence, The Druze faith incorporates elements of Isma'ilism, Christianity, .., lists faiths with links - except to Isma'ilism. I'd suggest adding a link there. (Isma'ilism does have its own article.) 90.244.219.186 (talk) 13:02, 19 August 2023 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 3 September 2023

(Disclaimer: I don't speak Arabic, so it would be nice to have an Arabic speaker corroborate or correct me.)

The Arabic words in the lead seem to contain extraneous ḍammāt word-finally, so that they say darziyyu, durziyyu, and durūzu rather than darzī, durzī, and durūz (following the MOS's transliteration conventions for Arabic). So, I propose that we remove the ḍammāt to bring the Arabic text in line with the transliterations; i.e., change the beginning of the lead from the following:

The Druze (/ˈdruːz/; Arabic: دَرْزِيٌّ, darzī or Arabic: دُرْزِيٌّ durzī, pl. دُرُوزٌ, durūz), known to adherents as al-Muwaḥḥidūn (Monotheists) or Muwaḥḥidūn (unitarians), are ...

to the following:

The Druze (/ˈdruːz/; Arabic: دَرْزِيّ, darzī or دُرْزِيّ durzī, pl. دُرُوز, durūz), known to adherents as al-Muwaḥḥidūn (Monotheists) or Muwaḥḥidūn (unitarians), are ...

I checked some Arabic dictionaries, and none of the ones I found that include vowel diacritics put a ḍammah at the end: Pons, Almaany, Bab.la, Sakhr. LethologicalLinguophile (talk) 19:00, 3 September 2023 (UTC)

 Done I don't speak Arabic either, but this has been uncontested for a month, so assume good faith. * Pppery * _{it has begun...} 21:46, 7 October 2023 (UTC)

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Religion

Druze religion revolves around the worship of al-Hakim bi-amr allah as the incarnation of the one god (Allah), why should this not be highlighted more properly instead of going into extra details in the introduction re: the religions obscure and arcane connections to Greek and ancient philosophy.?

רמרום (talk) 11:36, 4 October 2023 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 5 December 2023

89.115.113.22 (talk) 09:18, 5 December 2023 (UTC) druse are good people and are basically apart of islam

 Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. M.Bitton (talk) 12:23, 5 December 2023 (UTC)

Confusion? Crum375 (talk) 21:30, 14 December 2023 (UTC)