Talk:Lionel Messi

Career split proposal

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Lionel Messi → Lionel Messi and Career of Lionel Messi — A previous vote on splitting the "Club career" and "International career" sections from the page returned a consensus against the idea, in favour of reducing the content on the page instead to cut down the page's 23,000 word count to 15,000; a number above which WP:SIZERULE indicates a page that "almost certainly should be divided." However, a discussion above raised concerns about the reduction of content being possibly impractical, and indicated that support for splitting the page has significantly increased. Therefore, I am relitigating this issue. This time, the proposal is for a single page combining the two sections currently on this page. Like previously proposed, they shall be replaced here with more concise sections written in summary style.

Pinging Black Kite, GiantSnowman, Guyrichtheman, Idiosincrático, Joseph2302, MatthewNewHouse, Muur, Oahid, PeeJay, Sadsadas, and Stevie fae Scotland as participants in the previous vote. Also pinging 750h+, AirshipJungleman29, Jtbobwaysf, Mazewaxie, and Yotrages as participants in the discussion above. — AFC Vixen 🦊 07:06, 4 January 2024 (UTC)

• Note: This discussion has been included in WikiProject Football's list of association football-related page discussions. — AFC Vixen 🦊 07:24, 4 January 2024 (UTC)
• Comment initially on reading it I didnt like the idea (was just some sort of knee-jerk) but upon a few hours consideration, I think this might allow us to summarize better in the article and then others can feel free to expand the career article. I do have a question, do you think the new article will be sufficiently small that other editors can feel free to enlarge it without it becoming too large right way, and we need to split again into international and club? Thanks! Jtbobwaysf (talk) 10:45, 4 January 2024 (UTC)
• Comment I can't see a section in the article that doesn't need trimmed down. Splitting out the career sections might solve the overall size issue but it won't make the other sections easier/more manageable to read. Stevie fae Scotland (talk) 11:18, 4 January 2024 (UTC)

  this is a better first step - trim the trivial. GiantSnowman 18:48, 4 January 2024 (UTC)

  I just picked a random section to look at, and I am not an expert on this subject. For example in this sub-section Lionel_Messi#2005–2008:_becoming_a_starting_eleven_player I dont see much that is trivial and could readily be trimmed. To make a meaningful change, we would need to be trimming like 50%+ per section, so I am confused how you would get there in this section. Jtbobwaysf (talk) 22:41, 4 January 2024 (UTC)

  I think a lot of it is well written which, I think, makes it difficult to cut down. At least, I find that with my own writing anyway. It's easier to cut out or change something that you know could be better. Would it be worth listing at WP:GOCER? I don't know if this would fall strictly within their remit though. Stevie fae Scotland (talk) 15:50, 8 January 2024 (UTC)

  @Stevie fae Scotland and Jtbobwaysf: That may be because I had already trimmed it down. ~~ AirshipJungleman29 (talk) 14:50, 10 January 2024 (UTC)

• Support it seems reasonable to me to trim down the career section in the main article, and move the current content to a new article where it can be further expanded. As it is now, the article is too long to read except for die-hard fans of Messi.

Ideophagous (talk) 10:13, 5 January 2024 (UTC)

• Support I agree that the article is way too long, but Messi's career is too relevant to be trimmed enough to make it more accessible. Splitting is the best option in my opinion. --Mazewaxie (talk • contribs) 11:49, 5 January 2024 (UTC)

• Support This was my initial thought to the article split. Even if it's a little longer due to his career in both club and international, a timeline article makes sense to be longer. And with Messi being such a highly visited article, it makes sense to have the biggest moments touched on here, and more in depth in an easy to reach spot for those that want to see it. MatthewNewHouse (talk) 19:55, 5 January 2024 (UTC)

• split Barcelona section from club career and 100 international goals section from international section , because it's important for people easy reach and reading 103.213.1.249 (talk) 05:37, 6 January 2024 (UTC)

• Support I think this is the most logical solution at this point in time, as it both allows editors to expand details about the subject's career on the sub-article, and it resolves the TOOLONG issues on the main article (where we of course will still summarize). Jtbobwaysf (talk) 10:04, 6 January 2024 (UTC)
• Support The two sections are the longest parts of the article and should definitely be split. 750h+ (talk) 17:17, 11 January 2024 (UTC)

• Support The article has become too long and it would be best if more details about his career had their own article. I even think that there should be two articles, one talking about his club career and one for his international career. Sepguilherme (talk) 21:08, 15 January 2024 (UTC)

  Re User:Sepguilherme: probably not since the international career isn’t too long, and so both club and international could make for a good single page 750h+ (talk) 14:18, 21 January 2024 (UTC)

• Support The same should be done for the Ronaldo's page. 750h+ (talk) 08:25, 16 January 2024 (UTC)

• Support, but this has to be done for Cristiano Ronaldo too. Guyrichtheman (talk) 04:13, 17 January 2024 (UTC)

  Split Barcelona career of lionel messi alone 210.16.85.202 (talk) 05:16, 20 January 2024 (UTC)

  Never, spliting into career is enough. Guyrichtheman (talk) 05:45, 20 January 2024 (UTC)

• Support, 100%. This suggestion that was made the last time should have been supported too. The sections are well written (albeit overly detailed for one article hence the size issue) and well sourced, so retaining it in a sub article while also trimming it on this article works best I feel. It looks like this has a consensus on here, just needs someone to have a crack at it (will message AFC Vixen given they put forward the proposal for doing so). Nampa DC (talk) 21:50, 12 February 2024 (UTC)

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

Add source

@PeeJay: Hi! I see the source of information in subsection 2022–23 under Club career has not been added by anyone. Hope you will do this. Thanks!!! Hongkytran

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 27 February 2024

i would like to edit this due to noticing a false information Barny the lad (talk) 13:41, 27 February 2024 (UTC)

 Not done: this is not the right page to request additional user rights. You may reopen this request with the specific changes to be made and someone may add them for you. GrayStorm^{(Talk|Contributions)} 15:16, 27 February 2024 (UTC)

Split initiation

Black Kite, GiantSnowman, Guyrichtheman, Idiosincrático, Joseph2302, MatthewNewHouse, Muur, Oahid, PeeJay, Sadsadas, Stevie fae Scotland, 750h+, AirshipJungleman29, Jtbobwaysf, Mazewaxie, Yotrages, and AFC Vixen. I have began a draft since a consensus was came to. If you would like to edit it before we split the page, go ahead. Best, 750h+ (talk) 11:40, 5 March 2024 (UTC)

Looks great to me! Great job! Jtbobwaysf (talk) 07:10, 7 March 2024 (UTC)

Messi changed or teams

Messi in 2023 changed to inter Miami because he declined to play with FC Bacelona for another year and also he rejected to play in Saudi Arabia Noogaiyea (talk) 20:00, 6 March 2024 (UTC)

The accurate parts of your statement are captured in Lionel Messi#Inter Miami. -2pou (talk) 20:13, 6 March 2024 (UTC)