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{{requested move/dated|Tehrik-i-Taliban Pakistan}}
{{requested move/dated|Tehrik-i-Taliban Pakistan}}


<s>[[:Pakistani Taliban]] → {{no redirect|Tehrik-i-Taliban Pakistan}} – All five criteria under [[WP:TITLE]] should be referred to when choosing to name articles appropriately. [[WP:COMMONNAME]] notes that {{tq|Ambiguous or inaccurate names for the article subject, as determined in reliable sources, are often avoided even though they may be more frequently used by reliable sources}}. "Pakistani Taliban" isn't really the name of any organisation, but is rather just informal shorthand for the group known as Tehrik-i-Taliban Pakistan. More significantly, the Tehrik-i-Taliban Pakistan themselves don't refer to themselves as such, and neither do the vast majority of Pakistani sources including the Urdu press. If we look at the [[Talk:Pakistani_Taliban/Archives/_1#Requested_move_6_May_2022|previous]] move request then you can see that the user used [[WP:GOOGLEHITS]] as an argument to change the name which is not good enough to warrant the name change, because going by the same argument, a search for "Pakistani Taliban" in Urdu ({{Nastaliq|پاکستانی طالبان}}) returns 14,600 results whereas the name "Tehreek-e-Taliban Pakistan" ({{Nastaliq|تحریک طالبان پاکستان}}) returns a staggering 547,000 results in comparison. To imply that it is ''way off the mark'' would be an understatement! [[Special:Contributions/103.244.173.68|103.244.173.68]] ([[User talk:103.244.173.68|talk]]) 19:17, 11 October 2022 (UTC)</s> Sock
[[:Pakistani Taliban]] → {{no redirect|Tehrik-i-Taliban Pakistan}} – All five criteria under [[WP:TITLE]] should be referred to when choosing to name articles appropriately. [[WP:COMMONNAME]] notes that {{tq|Ambiguous or inaccurate names for the article subject, as determined in reliable sources, are often avoided even though they may be more frequently used by reliable sources}}. "Pakistani Taliban" isn't really the name of any organisation, but is rather just informal shorthand for the group known as Tehrik-i-Taliban Pakistan. More significantly, the Tehrik-i-Taliban Pakistan themselves don't refer to themselves as such, and neither do the vast majority of Pakistani sources including the Urdu press. If we look at the [[Talk:Pakistani_Taliban/Archives/_1#Requested_move_6_May_2022|previous]] move request then you can see that the user used [[WP:GOOGLEHITS]] as an argument to change the name which is not good enough to warrant the name change, because going by the same argument, a search for "Pakistani Taliban" in Urdu ({{Nastaliq|پاکستانی طالبان}}) returns 14,600 results whereas the name "Tehreek-e-Taliban Pakistan" ({{Nastaliq|تحریک طالبان پاکستان}}) returns a staggering 547,000 results in comparison. To imply that it is ''way off the mark'' would be an understatement! [[Special:Contributions/103.244.173.68|103.244.173.68]] ([[User talk:103.244.173.68|talk]]) 19:17, 11 October 2022 (UTC)


*'''Support''' It should be changed [[Special:Contributions/37.111.136.28|37.111.136.28]] ([[User talk:37.111.136.28|talk]]) 02:17, 12 October 2022 (UTC)
*'''Support''' It should be changed [[Special:Contributions/37.111.136.28|37.111.136.28]] ([[User talk:37.111.136.28|talk]]) 02:17, 12 October 2022 (UTC)

Revision as of 11:13, 20 October 2022

Infobox

Should be exchange Tehreek-e-Nafaz-e-Shariat-e-Mohammad to Islamic state Khorasan group and Jundallah ‘s location in infobox, The latter two are part of the Islamic State and the former are not. Designated as a terrorist group by should add UNSC (https://www.securitycouncilreport.org/atf/cf/%7B65BFCF9B-6D27-4E9C-8CD3-CF6E4FF96FF9%7D/S_2021_655_E.pdf) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 45.137.148.244 (talk) 07:57, 8 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

 Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. —Sirdog (talk) 04:58, 21 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

the Infobox has much mistakes, it should edit like this

Tehrik-i-Taliban Pakistan
(Pakistani Taliban Movement)
تحریک طالبان پاکستان
Also known asPakistani Taliban
(پاکستانی طالبان)
LeadersBaitullah Mehsud †[2]
(2007–09)
Hakimullah Mehsud †[3][4]
(2009–13)
Fazal Hayat †[5]
(2013–18)
Noor Wali Mehsud
(since 2018)
Dates of operationDecember 2007 – present
Allegiance Islamic Emirate of Afghanistan (self-declared, publicly rejected by IEA)[6][7]
HeadquartersEastern Afghanistan[8][9][10][11][12][13][needs update?]
IdeologyWahhabism[14]
Islamic Fundamentalism[15][16][17][18]
Pashtunwali[19]
Sectarianism[20]
Separatism[21][22][23][24]
Size
Allies
Opponents
Battles and warsInsurgency in Khyber Pakhtunkhwa, War in Afghanistan (2001–2021), Global War on Terrorism
Designated as a terrorist group by Canada[36]
 United Kingdom[37]
 United States[38]
UNSC UNSC[39]

This is the real status. Thanks a lot 161.8.184.61 (talk) 07:13, 13 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

References

  1. ^ "New video message from the Teḥrīk-ī-Ṭālibān Pākistān's Abū Manṣūr 'Āṣim Meḥsūd: 'About the Messages of Condolence and Congratulation Sent By the Leaders of the Islamic Jihād on the Occasion of the Martyrdom of Mawlawī Faḍl Allah Khurāsānī and a Petition to the Jihādī Leaders To Unite the Blessed Jihādī Ranks'". jihadology.net. Archived from the original on 9 August 2019. Retrieved 11 September 2019.
  2. ^ Abbas, Hassan (January 2008). "A Profile of Tehrik-I-Taliban Pakistan". CTC Sentinel. 1 (2). West Point, NY: Combating Terrorism Center: 1–4. Archived from the original on 1 January 2017. Retrieved 8 November 2008.
  3. ^ "Hakeemullah announced new leader – doubts linger". Dawn News. 23 August 2009. Archived from the original on 26 August 2009. Retrieved 23 August 2009.
  4. ^ Khan, Hasbanullah (23 August 2009). "Hakeemullah appointed Baitullah's 'successor'". Daily Times. Archived from the original on 9 November 2009. Retrieved 24 August 2009.
  5. ^ "Isis ascent in Syria and Iraq weakening Pakistani Taliban". The Guardian. London. 23 October 2014. Archived from the original on 22 October 2014. Retrieved 24 October 2014.
  6. ^ a b "Afghan Taliban reject TTP claim of being a 'branch of IEA'". Dawn. 11 December 2021. Retrieved 9 May 2022. They are not, as an organisation, part of IEA and we don't share the same objectives... The IEA stance is that we do not interfere in other countries' affairs. We do not interfere in Pakistan's affairs.
  7. ^ a b Atyani, Baker; Mehsud, Rehmat (10 December 2021). "Afghan Taliban deny TTP part of movement, call on group to seek peace with Pakistan". Arab News. Retrieved 9 May 2022.
  8. ^ "Kabul Taliban: Spies, militants and a mysterious assassination". BBC News. 7 February 2020. Archived from the original on 7 February 2020. Retrieved 7 February 2020. The group, which has been severely weakened in recent years, is now based in the east of Afghanistan, in areas out of the control of the country's government.
  9. ^ "The Rise Of The New Pakistani Taliban". RFE/RL. 18 May 2021.
  10. ^ "Pak's TTP Maintains Ties With Taliban, Its 6,000 Terrorists Still In Afghanistan: UN Report". NDTV.com. 27 July 2021.
  11. ^ "TTP has foothold in Afghanistan, says Abdullah". Dawn News. 17 November 2017. Archived from the original on 17 November 2017.
  12. ^ Zia ur Rehman (18 April 2019). "Pakistani Taliban: Between infighting, government crackdowns and Daesh". TRT World. Archived from the original on 18 April 2019.
  13. ^ Franz J. Marty (9 April 2018). "Afghan-Pakistani Cross-Border Terrorism Cuts Both Ways". The Diplomat. Archived from the original on 18 May 2018.
  14. ^ a b "Did you know that there are two different Taliban groups?". www.digitaljournal.com. 1 April 2013.
  15. ^ a b "Tehrik-i-Taliban Swat/Bajaur/Mohmand". DOPEL. Archived from the original on 24 September 2016. Retrieved 12 December 2018.
  16. ^ "Deobandi Islam: The Religion of the Taliban". U.S. Navy Chaplain Corps, 15 October 2001.
  17. ^ a b Maley, William (2001). Fundamentalism Reborn? Afghanistan and the Taliban. C Hurst & Co. p. 14. ISBN 978-1-85065-360-8.
  18. ^ a b "Taliban - Oxford Islamic Studies Online". Archived from the original on 31 May 2019. Retrieved 11 September 2019.
  19. ^ a b "Understanding taliban through the prism of Pashtunwali code". CF2R. 30 November 2013. Archived from the original on 10 August 2014. Retrieved 18 August 2014.
  20. ^ a b "MMP: Tehrik-i-Taliban Pakistan". cisac.fsi.stanford.edu.
  21. ^ a b Shane, Scott (22 October 2009). "Insurgents Share a Name, but Pursue Different Goals". The New York Times. Archived from the original on 16 October 2012. Retrieved 26 January 2011.
  22. ^ a b Siddiqa, Ayesha (2011). "Pakistan's Counterterrorism Strategy: Separating Friends from Enemies" (PDF). The Washington Quarterly. 34 (1): 149–162. doi:10.1080/0163660X.2011.538362. S2CID 54884433. Archived from the original (PDF) on 24 December 2010. Retrieved 8 February 2011.
  23. ^ a b Elias, Barbara (2 November 2009). "Know Thine Enemy". Foreign Affairs. Archived from the original on 20 November 2009. Retrieved 11 February 2011.
  24. ^ a b "4 Pakistani soldiers killed in separate clashes". Anadolu Agency. Retrieved 14 January 2021.
  25. ^ Bennett-Jones, Owen (25 April 2014). "Pakistan army eyes Taliban talks with unease". BBC News. Archived from the original on 25 April 2014. Retrieved 4 July 2014.
  26. ^ "Lead Inspector General for Operation Freedom's Sentinel I Quarterly Report to the United States Congress I January 1, 2019 – March 31, 2019". Department of Defense Office of Inspector General (DoDIG). Archived from the original on 1 June 2019. Retrieved 12 May 2019.
  27. ^ "The Pakistani Taliban is Back". The Diplomat. 9 March 2021.
  28. ^ Cite error: The named reference voa1 was invoked but never defined (see the help page).
  29. ^ Cite error: The named reference alj1 was invoked but never defined (see the help page).
  30. ^ Cite error: The named reference abc1 was invoked but never defined (see the help page).
  31. ^ Cite error: The named reference nws was invoked but never defined (see the help page).
  32. ^ "Is ISIS coming to Pakistan? TTP and ISIS join hands". Parhlo. 16 October 2014. Archived from the original on 15 July 2015.
  33. ^ Giustozzi, Antonio (2018). The Islamic State in Khorasan: Afghanistan, Pakistan and the New Central Asian Jihad. Oxford University Press. pp. 137–138. ISBN 978-1849049641.
  34. ^ "Pakistan Taliban splinter group vows allegiance to Islamic State". 18 November 2014. Retrieved 13 May 2015.
  35. ^ "Tehreek-e-Nafaz-e-Shariat-e-Mohammadi, Extremist Group of Pakistan". SATP. Archived from the original on 2007-05-25. Retrieved 2007-04-19.
  36. ^ Cite error: The named reference cnt was invoked but never defined (see the help page).
  37. ^ Cite error: The named reference ukt was invoked but never defined (see the help page).
  38. ^ Cite error: The named reference ust was invoked but never defined (see the help page).
  39. ^ "Letter dated 15 July 2021 from the Chair of the Security Council Committee pursuant to resolutions 1267 (1999), 1989 (2011) and 2253 (2015) concerning Islamic State in Iraq and the Levant (Da'esh), Al-Qaida and associated individuals, groups, undertakings and entities addressed to the President of the Security Council" (PDF). securitycouncilreport. Retrieved 2021-06-05.

Archive

Please move Talk:Tehrik-i-Taliban Pakistan/Archive 1 to Talk:Pakistani Taliban/Archive 1. Archive 1 at the top of this page is a red link at the moment and therefore almost inaccessible. 2001:BB6:4713:4858:70A2:93D3:6407:CD5D (talk) 10:30, 24 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Now done. 2001:BB6:4713:4858:7556:FC67:98CF:2346 (talk) 09:34, 26 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Grammar error

In the beginning of the article, where it says “The Pakistani Taliban share a common idealogy with the Afghan Taliban and have assisted them in the 2001–2021 war, but the two groups have separate operation and command structures”, “idealogy” is spelled wrong, and should be “ideology”. Tankpiggy18 (talk) 02:06, 10 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

 Done Thanks for pointing it out. Captain Jack Sparrow (talk) 06:05, 10 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 11 July 2022

This terrorist group is Designated as a terrorist group in Pakistan by the government[1] I request to mention it in infobox and also include this category in the article "(Category:Organisations designated as terrorist by Pakistan)" in article. 103.141.159.230 (talk) 11:29, 11 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

 Not done for now: Got a more recent source that 2012? 10 years is a lot of time, those lists change frequently. I will gladly add it, just would like a more recent cite. FrederalBacon (talk) 18:11, 11 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

@FrederalBacon: Here is the official list from the Pakistan's National Counter Terrorism Authority[2] Click on "Proscribed Organizations List". 103.141.159.230 (talk) 18:36, 11 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

 Done Thanks for the new ref, added! FrederalBacon (talk) 20:29, 11 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

@FrederalBacon: Thanks and please include this category (Category:Organisations designated as terrorist by Pakistan) in article. 103.141.159.230 (talk) 03:43, 12 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

References

  1. ^ "List of bannned organization in Pakistan". Express Tribune. 24 October 2012. Archived from the original on 26 October 2012.
  2. ^ https://nacta.gov.pk/proscribed-organizations-3/

Requested move 11 October 2022

Pakistani Taliban → Tehrik-i-Taliban Pakistan – All five criteria under WP:TITLE should be referred to when choosing to name articles appropriately. WP:COMMONNAME notes that Ambiguous or inaccurate names for the article subject, as determined in reliable sources, are often avoided even though they may be more frequently used by reliable sources. "Pakistani Taliban" isn't really the name of any organisation, but is rather just informal shorthand for the group known as Tehrik-i-Taliban Pakistan. More significantly, the Tehrik-i-Taliban Pakistan themselves don't refer to themselves as such, and neither do the vast majority of Pakistani sources including the Urdu press. If we look at the previous move request then you can see that the user used WP:GOOGLEHITS as an argument to change the name which is not good enough to warrant the name change, because going by the same argument, a search for "Pakistani Taliban" in Urdu (پاکستانی طالبان) returns 14,600 results whereas the name "Tehreek-e-Taliban Pakistan" (تحریک طالبان پاکستان) returns a staggering 547,000 results in comparison. To imply that it is way off the mark would be an understatement! 103.244.173.68 (talk) 19:17, 11 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

  • Support It should be changed 37.111.136.28 (talk) 02:17, 12 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose per WP:OFFICIAL.
    Also, this is not the Urdu Wikipedia, so it should not matter what the common name in Urdu language is.
    Also per WP:COMMONNAME (see #Requested_move_6_May_2022), and WP:CONCISE. Khestwol (talk) 06:08, 12 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support per nominator. TTP is both official and common name, since lately some western media reports referred them as Pakistani Taliban, that doesn't warrant a name change on Wikipedia. Redirects are for that purpose. It should be changed back to its official and common name. USaamo (t@lk) 20:34, 13 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support: common name begin used is TTP, which refers to the Tehrik-e-Taliban Pakistan. War Wounded (talk) 13:03, 17 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose per Khestwol. Aman Kumar Goel (Talk) 20:20, 17 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

*Support per USaamo — Preceding unsigned comment added by 37.111.136.217 (talk) 02:01, 19 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

You have already voted once. You can't vote 2nd time. Aman Kumar Goel (Talk) 18:45, 19 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose: Per WP:COMMONNAME. "Pakistani Taliban" clearly has more reliable sources than "Tehrik-i-Taliban Pakistan" does. --1990'sguy (talk) 05:32, 19 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose Citing searches in Urdu language is irrelevant to the discussion as this is primarily English Wikipedia and we are primarily concerned with English sources. A reasonable English speaker would be searching in English anyway. Searching for Pakistani Taliban in English in Google News shows 269,000 results while Tehrik-i-Taliban Pakistan has 14,4000 results. A cursory look at several search pages of both terms indicates that both terms are used in reliable sources, and interchangbly (i.e. "Org X, also known as Y", etc). Furthermore, Google Trends reveals that there is a significant amount of interest on "Pakistani Taliban" as the search term, over "Tehrik-i-Taliban Pakistan". Unless there is another organisation that claims to be or being reliably reported as "Pakistani Taliban", I don't see how this term is not the common name of the organisation in English. – robertsky (talk) 08:38, 19 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support as per UNITED NATIONS SECURITY COUNCIL and almost all other linked wiki pages title should be Tehrik-i-Taliban Pakistan.--Ameen Akbar (talk) 14:31, 19 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support per above. Ainty Painty (talk) 16:58, 19 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
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